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MartialDev
04-19-2010, 01:35 PM
From Robert Downey Jr’s Kung Fu Redemption...

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/robert-downey-jr-wing-chun.jpg (http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/robert-downey-jr-kung-fu-redemption/)

anerlich
04-19-2010, 02:53 PM
He looks like he's polishing his watch with his right hand to see if he can go home yet, and he needs a better fitting pair of jeans.

YouKnowWho
04-19-2010, 03:42 PM
http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/robert-downey-jr-wing-chun.jpg

If you use your left hand to pull his left wrist to your left (his right) and move toward his left side door, his left arm can "jam" his own right arm. You don't have to worry about his right arm when you are in that position.

When you are using your left hand to pull his left wrist, if you also use your right hand to control his left elbow, you can apply shoulder lock on his left arm.

Pacman
04-19-2010, 04:05 PM
i think hes doing tai chi actually...although its still F'd up

chusauli
04-19-2010, 04:14 PM
We should be happy Robert Downey Jr. is a talented star and promoting WCK in general.

Nicholas Cage, Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran) and other celebrities all do WCK, and its great to have them out there and embrace their awareness of our art.

Vajramusti
04-19-2010, 04:14 PM
i think hes doing tai chi actually...although its still F'd up
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Pacman
04-19-2010, 04:24 PM
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maybe hes doing wu style tai chi? doing this pose?

http://www.thealanwinneracademy.com/html/tai%20chi.html

otherwise i dont know what WC he is doing

duende
04-19-2010, 04:54 PM
He's most likely doing a fixed position of TWC's bong lop drill...

I see a few things that could be improved with it... but he is relatively a beginner.

Weren't we all at some point?


:)

Lee Chiang Po
04-19-2010, 05:41 PM
He is doing Chum Kil form. Is it not obvious?
A few years back I seen a fellow teaching Wing Chun to Dallas Cowboy linemen. Was supposed to have helped them defend the line.

SAAMAG
04-19-2010, 07:09 PM
The fact is we don't know from a static photograph what he's doing, where its from, whether it's a transition or a finished movement, or what. So without knowing what his goal was in the movement, we can't say what's wrong with it.

Everyone has different opinions even on how deep the stance should be, how many fists are between the knees, whether the upper body should be lined with the hips or okay to be turned, etc etc.

I think he's a little off as a person, but hey its publicity. I'm ready to watch IRON MAN 2!!!

YungChun
04-19-2010, 08:32 PM
Seems clear to me he's doing a Bong Wu, changing to Bong Lop... I would guess someone told him to turn the hand first as he lops causing the odd hand position..

I don't know if it's so great that any celebrity "does VT". . It would be nice if a celeb or anyone made VT "shine"..meaning actually fighting/winning and actually doing recognizable VT. Not likely to happen in this case.

Ultimatewingchun
04-19-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm going with "polishing his watch"...:p:rolleyes::cool:

YouKnowWho
04-19-2010, 10:00 PM
I'm going with "polishing his watch"...:p:rolleyes::cool:
A: Dear master, in the middle of your demo, you rotated your waist, sinked your hip, closed your eyes, and there was a strange sound that came out of your body, a blue color mist then covered your body. Was that the "Silk Reeling Qigong", the highest level of CMA?

B: Sorry! I just far*ed.

wtxs
04-20-2010, 11:05 AM
From Robert Downey Jr’s Kung Fu Redemption...

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/robert-downey-jr-wing-chun.jpg (http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/robert-downey-jr-kung-fu-redemption/)

What we can see is just one single snap shot in time, we all assume the meaning of the presentation of the moment.

I don't really see the movement as part of CK, the stand and body positioning is not there, the right hand should have been an tang sau?

As to being an bong drill, the elbow position is too close to the body, danger of being trap/pinned.

LoneTiger108
04-20-2010, 11:18 AM
What is right and/or wrong with this posture?

Nothing :rolleyes:

The thing I do feel is wrong is how everybody wants to criticize someone who has used his fame to help promote Wing Chun in the first place, especially when it's quite obvious from the info I have read that Roberts Sifu and the training has had a dramatic effect on his whole life.

Big up the Downey Jr! :D

Lee Chiang Po
04-20-2010, 02:40 PM
Nothing :rolleyes:

The thing I do feel is wrong is how everybody wants to criticize someone who has used his fame to help promote Wing Chun in the first place, especially when it's quite obvious from the info I have read that Roberts Sifu and the training has had a dramatic effect on his whole life.

Big up the Downey Jr! :D


Agreed. I see nothing wrong with it. It is a simple pic of him doing Chum Kil. And from what I hear he is pretty decent at it too.

anerlich
04-20-2010, 03:18 PM
You can't say whether the stance is good or not without knowing his intent.

If he was my student, I'd encourage him to pack his fingers and thumbs together, but maybe he has his reasons.

Personally I have little time for celebrity culture.

goju
04-20-2010, 03:24 PM
maybe he just did some random pose for the camera

geesh guys:rolleyes:

Hendrik
04-20-2010, 04:43 PM
From Robert Downey Jr’s Kung Fu Redemption...

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/wordpress/wp-content/images/robert-downey-jr-wing-chun.jpg (http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/robert-downey-jr-kung-fu-redemption/)


He tries really hard, He focus....He does his best..... Cant pick at his effort.

However what he is practicing is totally screw up.

Why?

What he does get him locked into a very narrow dead end state. This type of training is not capable of dynamic flow. but every "single" moves looks "great" but DEAD or useless.

So, cant critic the effort he put in but it is a wrong direction which yield wrong result.



When Terence asking the annoying question of going fighting fighting.

Well, I dont think it is fighting. It is just the basic of does one know what is the different between mimic a "look" power full or "look" proper posture and train for dynamic flow which is needed in action?

It is nothing to do with fighting. it is can one manage dynamic flow. Be specific and be precise otherwise it is just as screw up. one can go fighting all life long and always got beat up. Join this MT club, that WCK club, that Gym, that MMA..... but no can do when it got to action. There are plenty of unfortunate people like that. It is not fighting or not fighting, it is just as simple as does your art train you to have capability of adaptive dynamic flow in action.


so is you WCK that discrete posture training or your WCK the dynamic flow training?

As it says, K1 is no root, waist is not the master, the spine bending flexible-ly similar to it is not bone, one hands spread up becomes 10000 hands.

See, it is all about dynamic flow but most doesnt even know what they read.

but B$ keep pile up, root, structure, center line, K1, using the waist to fajing.....etc.. Those are just totally screw up. one can master all of the above but like a sitting duck when it comes to action. That is because one has never a single hour learn what is action and dynamic flow.

taai gihk yahn
04-20-2010, 05:23 PM
However what he is practicing is totally screw up.
... That is because one has never a single hour learn what is action and dynamic flow.

I bet he'd still kick your asz...

Paul T England
04-21-2010, 12:42 AM
nothing wrong with it....how can a person take his wing chun to a high level when they are bound by their mind and judging a technique, posture etc for a picture? Surely wing chun teaches you that you judge by contact not your eyes?

Paul :)
www.moifa.co.uk

YungChun
04-21-2010, 01:07 AM
And from what I hear he is pretty decent at it too.

Yeah he's totally badazz!

Ahem...

Here's the good stuff, starts after some preliminary BS.. Gives us "street cred". :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p3yyiIkzLk

Is Bill G. Kenny's brother?

Lee Chiang Po
04-21-2010, 07:36 PM
Yeah he's totally badazz!

Ahem...

Here's the good stuff, starts after some preliminary BS.. Gives us "street cred". :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p3yyiIkzLk

Is Bill G. Kenny's brother?

Well, maybe not bada$$. How long has he been training Wing Chun? Not long from what I am guessing. In another few years maybe he will be bad a$$. Most people only train a few hours a week. If they trained several hours each and every day they would show a difference in skills in a short time. It is all relative.