Wing Chun Full Contact Fights

[YungChun]

This thread is a repository for links to video dedicated to and for those who are applying their Wing Chun (All Families) in full contact fighting.

The fights can be competition events or simply full contact sparring in class or wherever.. (at least one of the fighters must be a Wing Chun fighter.)

What parts of VT really work in full contact sparring?

What are Wing Chun fighters doing and using in their fights?

Who is doing it?

See it here..

Anyone can post links to video here.. Please include any info about the fighters possible.

However no comments or discussions on this thread..

If you want to discuss a particular fight then start a new thread.. This thread is only a repository for our collection of fights here on this forum for all to see and learn from..

Have a clip you want to share? Post the link here..!

This thread will remain a sticky..

Thanks very much to all the contributors and the fighters! :cool:

[Phil Redmond]

This is going to be fun. I have lots of WC fight clips and there will be more. Yes, there are some WC people who like to bang. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzlDFKNoJ2M
The fighter in the yellow is Sifu Keith Mazza's student.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0zbMCLiC4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwHFtMYiSzk
WC vs Kickboxer. The fighter in the shorts is my grandstudent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJHdEYGBe2k
Moy lineage fighter from Philly v Black belt

[Phil Redmond]

TWC guys in Yellow shirts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aue6bIplPwI

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oi9fwWj8NU&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

Moy Yat WC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VYwuUzlUc&feature=channel

[Phil Redmond]

Moy Yat WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb9QwkZGP4g&feature=channel

[Phil Redmond]

Moy Yat WC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xvB0IY6yFc&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

TWC Maryland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBrZ55sbY1Y&feature=related

[cerebus]

Leung Ting Wing Tsun guys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfLq__054Qk&playnext_from=TL&videos=adD-pgrQSUc

[YungChun]

Wing chun Luke Anderson's Win against MuayThai fighter

Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaH5IWBi5f4&feature=related

Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENa-wP6h4Xc&feature=related

Round 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0WsLkA_tNw&feature=related

[YungChun]

Fung Yang Sau Kung Fu V's Wing Chun Kung Fu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnnVc21Ol6Q

[YungChun]

That Wing Chun vs Karate guy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ3-Hi-kMNo

[Mr. Chang]

Sparring Aplicada Chile Wing Chun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsE89SwdG-w

[tigershorty]

great video links, Phil

[YungChun]

Obasi VS VT Wrestling Champ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Nt2YSTNNA

[YungChun]

Training in Beijing -- Sparring Session

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-PuD3iQiI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYnhkqP52yY

[YungChun]

Wing Chun vs Shaolin do Norte

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv2FULpeTto

[YungChun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1EUZA24S8

[YungChun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5RS3GCGOL4

[YungChun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZYQwNLAnAI

[P.T.Morozoff]

"Made in Russia": http://www.youtube.com/user/Sashusik#g/u

[Ultimatewingchun]

Not bad at all, P.T.

I've seen these before, and posted links to some of these vids here on this forum about a year ago.

[Alan Orr]

Championship Win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49tbIUy5Qd0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gR3beL5CWo&feature=related

Another Pro win -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEdqiZ1Tig

[Alan Orr]

Pauls First Amateur MMA Fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJkJPhpmU7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4X3FAJWIuk&feature=related

[Wayfaring]

I thought I'd post a few videos of some of the guys out of the gym I train at's fights.

They don't do WCK, but I thought you guys might like them anyway.

Cameron Dollar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pC0oLvtapA
Justin Guthrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6iFGd9__-s
Mark Korsnowski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWlsAx1ay3o
Scott Cleve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACMZNYS-TLw
Nick Waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjfG_b5G1sw
Josh Huber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMdQHT5cUk
Devon Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwIWsAJa-w

[Phil Redmond]

I'll be posting more clips of full contact training and matches here:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/wckcg/
To join you have to upload a clip of yourself to the group, youtube, or wherever doing something WC. It doesn't have to be sparring but at least we don't have the critics who talk crap about everyone else but never show anything of themselves.
We have boxers (one a pro), and other stylists that train with us so I have some good clips. ;) TMAs need to pump up their game.

[donjitsu2]

Obasi VS VT Wrestling Champ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Nt2YSTNNA

This guy is a pretty good fighter. Too bad he's bat-**** crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3F6Zwbp9E&feature=related

The whole thing start off pretty reasonable and Obasi makes a pretty good point. He isn't a kickboxer or muay thai guy and shouldn't be expected to kick and punch and like one (it is MIXED martial arts after all - doesn't really matter how a kick is performed so long as it does its job). Then, however, Obasi goes nuts and acts like a psycho.

[Phil Redmond]

My granddstudent Ishaq's Manup Standup fight in NYC 8-28-10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS2WUlq8C0

Ishaq's championship fight the same day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39-unagGqPw

[wkmark]

Here is my contribution of my full contact fight. I am the one in RED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iuvxmUJzEU

and a second camera view in HD from a different angle:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtMjEy6ck10

[Faruq]

This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXg0FFREzcg&feature=related

[mjw]

This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXg0FFREzcg&feature=related

I'm pretty sure this is the same guy off some youtube clips and his site.
I can't read the language it's written in so I can't tell you him lineage however he seems to mix in a bit of MMA with his WC/VT not that there is anything wrong with that so long it works for you in my opinion.

www.vingtsun-belgium.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQTBArJYRVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2lkGynvAqk&feature=related

[Faruq]

Wow, how'd you find it?

[mjw]

Wow, how'd you find it?

I've seen him on youtube before so I just looked around a little bit......

[mjw]

This is just real heavy training but I like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkFECpgdg8E&feature=related

[AdrianK]

This is just real heavy training but I like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkFECpgdg8E&feature=related

Can't stand that clip.

It seems like someone who basically trained Wing Chun, didn't "get it", and decided to compensate with aggression and strength.

And thats fine for some things, but just because its hard and rough, doesn't mean its good. There's no skill there, there's no wing chun. And its not 'not' wing chun because you don't see them adhering to the forms and the templates, its not 'not' wing chun because there's no developed skills. No grabbing, no sticking, no parrying, and not even any decent balance.

Finally, the throws/ground work is laughable.

So his strikes are crap, his ground game is crap, his throws and clinching is crap.

The whole clip is just crap =) I mean, its great if you want to work that, the ground game and throws and everything are awesome to work, but if you don't know wtf you're doing, you just look like a fool...

[Buddha_Fist]

Can't stand that clip.

It seems like someone who basically trained Wing Chun, didn't "get it", and decided to compensate with aggression and strength.

And thats fine for some things, but just because its hard and rough, doesn't mean its good. There's no skill there, there's no wing chun. And its not 'not' wing chun because you don't see them adhering to the forms and the templates, its not 'not' wing chun because there's no developed skills. No grabbing, no sticking, no parrying, and not even any decent balance.

Finally, the throws/ground work is laughable.

So his strikes are crap, his ground game is crap, his throws and clinching is crap.

The whole clip is just crap =) I mean, its great if you want to work that, the ground game and throws and everything are awesome to work, but if you don't know wtf you're doing, you just look like a fool...

Technique and structure aside, I think he's getting one of the most important aspects of Ving Tsun more than many on this board. He focuses on doing what will end a fight - striking. One of the main premises in Ving Tsun is not to chase hands, yet most of the actions you are looking for (grabbing, sticking, parrying) are just that, chasing hands. There is a lot of chaos in an altercation and things happen very fast, there is no time to have a mindset that is not conducive to ending a fight. If you think about grabbing (and we are not talking about grappling) while your opponent is focused on punching, your chances decrease dramatically.

[AdrianK]

Technique and structure aside, I think he's getting one of the most important aspects of Ving Tsun more than many on this board. He focuses on doing what will end a fight - striking. One of the main premises in Ving Tsun is not to chase hands, yet most of the actions you are looking for (grabbing, sticking, parrying) are just that, chasing hands. There is a lot of chaos in an altercation and things happen very fast, there is no time to have a mindset that is not conducive to ending a fight. If you think about grabbing (and we are not talking about grappling) while your opponent is focused on punching, your chances decrease dramatically.

I agree that a focus on striking is incredibly important to any striking art, absolutely. I'm not saying he should be chasing hands, I'm saying he should take the opponent's movement to gain the advantage. If he can outstrike him, great. But you don't see great boxers saying "There's no point in evasive footwork", or "there's no point in counter punching".

The problem with blind aggression is that you leave yourself open. Ya know, its great if you're bigger and/or stronger/faster than the other guy, or you just want to win more. In altercations with your average nobody, blind aggression works fine. Actually, it works great.

But why train wing chun, boxing, wrestling, or any martial art, at all then? Just buy a punching bag, some free weights and supplements or steroids and you're golden.

That being said, the vertical punch is hardly the most effective punch for those types of confrontations anyway.


Anyways, its like this, where's the meat of wing chun? To be structurally sound while we fight (Stances, Footwork), to strike the openings (elbows, kicks, punches, eye gouges, grabbing), and the ability to counter and control the opponent.

The ability to counter and control the opponent comprises a significant part of the WC Curriculum. Its Lop Sao, Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Gan Sao, Jut Sao, Biu Sao, etc. etc., Its Chi Sao, Its Chi Gerk.

So yeah, striking is an incredibly important part of the curriculum lost on plenty of people. But what is blind striking? Its being unaware of your openings in a fight. You cannot roll punch your way out of every situation. A decent wrestler can destroy this guy. A decent counter-puncher in boxing can destroy this guy.

I'm not asking the guy to focus on countering and controlling. But he should at the very least be aware. If you're striking someone you should be aware and ready to take any opening they present. Otherwise, all things equal physiologically, the guy has no advantage over his opponent, and opens himself up to get taken down or counter punched.

[Buddha_Fist]

...can take the opponent's movement to his advantage... counter and control...Lop Sao, Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Gan Sao, Jut Sao, Biu Sao, etc. etc., Its Chi Sao, Its Chi Gerk...

Is there any video that shows the above points as you describe in free sparring?

He lacks structure, balance, footwork, and Ving Tsun technique from my particular point of view, but he still adapts to the incoming attack by yielding through footwork while continuing his counterattack. I don't think that he acts blindly or in a dumb manner at all. He takes advantage of what is working great with somebody who cannot deal with his actions. We don't know how he would adapt to somebody with more skill, we can just speculate...

[Phil Redmond]

I've noticed the criticisms of people's fight clips. Before I fought full contact. I would often say.."why didn't he do that,.. I would have done that differently,..he wouldn't have hit me like that,,...he's doing that wrong......etc." Until my first full contact match and I got hit by a guy who wasn't my classmate and was trying to wreck me. It's easy to sit on the sideline and criticize without having to risk bodily harm in the ring or whatever.
Now I do understand that a person doesn't have to be an expert in a field to know what "looks" right. That works for many things. But with regards to fighting you have to be in there getting smashed by someone while you're trying to get your techs off.
Having said that. I believe if you are willing to make a comment on how a fight should've or should be done please feel free to supply a video of you doing it the right way against a resisting opponent outside of the comfort zone of your school or friends. That way we can all learn the right way and not continue doing it wrong. After all, it'd be wrong to point out mistakes without showing the corrections.

[Buddha_Fist]

Touché. Lack of sparring translates in unrealistic expectations of what happens in an uncontrolled situation. A lot of people expect to see Chi-Sao, as if that was fighting.

[AdrianK]

Is there any video that shows the above points as you describe in free sparring?

He lacks structure, balance, footwork, and Ving Tsun technique from my particular point of view, but he still adapts to the incoming attack by yielding through footwork while continuing his counterattack. I don't think that he acts blindly or in a dumb manner at all. He takes advantage of what is working great with somebody who cannot deal with his actions. We don't know how he would adapt to somebody with more skill, we can just speculate...

Is there any video is key here.. With WC, not really. We've got Alan Orr's guys who fight and compete, and demonstrate some pretty killer structure, balance, footwork and control.

As far as everything else goes, yeah, watch some high level MMA matches, watch some high level boxing matches. Why aren't there guys just in there throwing constantly? Oh yeah, because they're using their footwork to control distance, they're constantly trying to create openings with angles and punches, not blind aggression, being ready to defend with head movement, distance control and hands.

I'm not expecting guys to go in and fight at the low levels and look like that, absolutely not. Everyone has to start somewhere. But in this case its a sparring video, and whats sparring for? To work on your fighting ability. Going in blind to "win" does nothing for you, or for your sparring partner. Its why there's controlled aggression in a normal boxing or MMA sparring session. Homie is up against the ropes and can't do anything? You lay off or go easier to give him an opportunity to learn. Feel like you're leaving yourself open? Try and be more careful, yeah, you might get caught with a couple shots, but you learn that way.

It does nothing for you in sparring to just go in there swinging for the ropes. You literally learn nothing. If you're working on being aggressive, fine, cool, but thats hardly a "skill" to show off.

[Phil Redmond]

My Grandstudent's second fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39-unagGqPw&feature=channel_video_title

[Buddha_Fist]

There is no video showing Ving Tsun as you're describing as it won't happen in that way.

[AdrianK]

There is no video showing Ving Tsun as you're describing as it won't happen in that way.

Not asking them to fight like a boxer, but to show the strengths and ideas of the system. Boxers can do it, BJJ guys can do it, Wing Chun guys can't?

[m1k3]

I've noticed the criticisms of people's fight clips. Before I fought full contact. I would often say.."why didn't he do that,.. I would have done that differently,..he wouldn't have hit me like that,,...he's doing that wrong......etc." Until my first full contact match and I got hit by a guy who wasn't my classmate and was trying to wreck me. It's easy to sit on the sideline and criticize without having to risk bodily harm in the ring or whatever.
Now I do understand that a person doesn't have to be an expert in a field to know what "looks" right. That works for many things. But with regards to fighting you have to be in there getting smashed by someone while you're trying to get your techs off.
Having said that. I believe if you are willing to make a comment on how a fight should've or should be done please feel free to supply a video of you doing it the right way against a resisting opponent outside of the comfort zone of your school or friends. That way we can all learn the right way and not continue doing it wrong. After all, it'd be wrong to point out mistakes without showing the corrections.

LOL, good post Phil.

Last week at grappling class I was flat on my belly with both arms around my opponents leg and him laying on top of me. Someone yells from the sidelines "Get on your up on your knees". I'm thinking "no sh1t". If I could without giving up the leg I would have.

Most things in life are easier said then done.

[wingchunIan]

IMO people who train Wing Chun and look at full contact tend to be in two camps. The first wants to get in the ring and have a tear up from the day they start training and the second has no initial interest but reaches a point in their training when they want to really test what they do beyond their usual class stuff. Unfortunately every clip that I've ever seen of supposed WC fighters in full contact is of the former group. Whilst these guys might train well when it gets pressurised everything goes out the window and they resort to poor grappling or swinging for the fences. The folks in the second group tend to look for increasing reality with training partners in private, work out what they need to refine and then realise that they no longer have a desire to get into a ring.
To prove the point, take a set of pads along to training and get beginners to hit them and see how many maintain strict form.

[Buddha_Fist]

Not asking them to fight like a boxer, but to show the strengths and ideas of the system. Boxers can do it, BJJ guys can do it, Wing Chun guys can't?

Apparently not in the way you are expecting.

[Phil Redmond]

LOL, good post Phil.

Last week at grappling class I was flat on my belly with both arms around my opponents leg and him laying on top of me. Someone yells from the sidelines "Get on your up on your knees". I'm thinking "no sh1t". If I could without giving up the leg I would have.

Most things in life are easier said then done.
Hopefully I'll see you Tues. :)

[AdrianK]

Apparently not in the way you are expecting.

So are you saying it can't be done or it won't ever be done? Cause Alan Orr's guys make great use of WC concepts in the ring.

[Buddha_Fist]

I was referring to what you seem to look for in a sparring video as a measure of good Ving Tsun:


...can take the opponent's movement to his advantage... counter and control...Lop Sao, Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Gan Sao, Jut Sao, Biu Sao, etc. etc., Its Chi Sao, Its Chi Gerk...

;)

[AdrianK]

I was referring to what you seem to look for in a sparring video as a measure of good Ving Tsun:



;)

I agree with you there. WC doesn't have the same student base as boxing or MMA, most schools don't even think about competing or fighting.

[Buddha_Fist]

It may be a newer development, as skill comparison matches were quite common in China in the old days.

[vociferor]

Redmond is spot on with his assessment of watching a fight from a distance, versus actually being in the fight you're critiquing.

As an addition, you should be studying not only the videos of others, but yourself in action. (and given his line of thought, I can imagine Redmond does just that)

[sskiller]

Agree 100% that today most of WC teachers try to teach a fighting art without the experience of realistic fighting training or fight experince. Chi Sau is not ever 5% of fight scenario.

[Phil Redmond]

I found this clip. Even though Joe lost I give him props for getting into the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOBMEVrxoaE

[k gledhill]

Random you tube searching by me...WSL VT in a match ... Same guy in blue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW41iNke024&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxA5GE_VgBw&feature=relmfu

[Sardinkahnikov]

I found this clip. Even though Joe lost I give him props for getting into the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOBMEVrxoaE

Agreed. His opponent had a tigh defense and what seemed to be pretty strong strikes. Joe Saya's form didn't look bad, but maybe he could have trained for more speed & power?

[Phil Redmond]

I'm not sure if I already posted this clip but here is a WC fighter from the Moy Yat lineage in Philly fighting a TKD guy. ALL the WC people cheered him on regardless of lineage. Too bad all WC can't support each other like we do at the Manup Standup fights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJHdEYGBe2k

[wingchunIan]

nice clip Phil. Not sure what the comp rules were or the length of time that the WC fighter had trained for. Fair play to him just for being in there.
As hopefully helpful observations, he seemed reluctant to close range and as a consequence made life far harder for himself and also didn't use his own kicks to disrupt the flow of the TKD guy and bridge the range.
Nice to see someone using WC rather than resorting to brawling as usually happens so again he deserves alot of credit.

[Phil Redmond]

nice clip Phil. Not sure what the comp rules were or the length of time that the WC fighter had trained for. Fair play to him just for being in there.
As hopefully helpful observations, he seemed reluctant to close range and as a consequence made life far harder for himself and also didn't use his own kicks to disrupt the flow of the TKD guy and bridge the range.
Nice to see someone using WC rather than resorting to brawling as usually happens so again he deserves alot of credit.
I give him props for getting into the ring with that TKD guy. This isn't a "WC" guy fighting the TKD guy but here's why he may have been a little reluctant to to close after seeing this fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ_tTAAxY_s

[wingchunIan]

Hi Phil,
Just watched the clip and found several more of the manup event on the wonder of youtube. Got me even more intruiged as to what the rules are? Is it full contact including head shots?

[Phil Redmond]

Hi Phil,
Just watched the clip and found several more of the manup event on the wonder of youtube. Got me even more intruiged as to what the rules are? Is it full contact including head shots?
Yes, it's full contact including head shots. They only allow 10 seconds on the ground. So if you don't pull something off in that time they'll make you stand up. I really think the time should be a little longer but it's not my event. Every fighter must study a TMA. Be it Karate, Kung Fu or whatever. The fighters have to do a form/kata before they are allowed to fight. The organizers wanted to create a venue for TMAs to fight.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo

[k gledhill]

....is that a matching weight class ?

[Phil Redmond]

....is that a matching weight class ?
Yes, there are weight requirements for each match. Also, time training in the martial arts is a factor. Jerry and Bobby are in the same weight class. It wouldn't be fair any other way. Hopefully more people in the NY area will try their skills in these and other events.

[k gledhill]

Is there an age limit kids > too old ?

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7LXC6Njto0

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7LXC6Njto0

cool.....:D

[Phil Redmond]

cool.....:D
Thanks, I'd also like to give props the Moy Yat guys who had the cojones to come and test their skills.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Le4qK1DWE0

[k gledhill]

WSL guys in Europe.... Clip 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKG5q3MxeA&feature=related)

Clip 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AOO9xu7A4&feature=related)

[Phil Redmond]

WSL guys in Europe.... Clip 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKG5q3MxeA&feature=related)

Clip 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AOO9xu7A4&feature=related)

Good stuff. It's great to see WC people banging it out. If we don't fight WC will never survive. So I say let's stop debating who has the real deal and get out there and test what we preach.

[iwingchun]

Wing Chun- Full Contact

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zytLBn2ZDdw&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

Slo mo trap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-TT-6JeSZE

[mjw]

It's not pretty but I did a Kuoshu Lei Tai match and won in the 2nd round with a tko from their 3x push out rule after losing the 1st round though this guy did out weigh me by 80+ pounds

Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcjihY8pnhk
Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UxK95bkcGU

[Yoshiyahu]

clip one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OysvDCCDUNw&feature=related

clip two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eyqbVs2TM&feature=related

clip three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD47Ckag354&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

Here's another angle of the first fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq5p5UToST0&feature=related

[k gledhill]

Brought a smile to my face :D I like the chasing them outside the ring part :D:D:D

I nearly lost my coffee when i read a reply post saying it should be called
" When Hillbillies get drunk and fight " :D:D:D lmfaorotf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNXhw52M5zw&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7iLZ-BEgqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7wOaE61wgw

[Mr. Chang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMR0AeW__MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI8enghNn2U


In both videos the two fighters are from wing chun



Mr.FihthClub
Kwoon Ñuñoa
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrFigthclub?feature=mhee

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMR0AeW__MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI8enghNn2U


In both videos the two fighters are from wing chun



Mr.FihthClub
Kwoon Ñuñoa
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrFigthclub?feature=mhee

Looks like kickboxing :confused:

[Phil Redmond]

Looks like kickboxing :confused:
That's a compliment. People who fight know you're not going to see the pretty techniques you do in class. I'll put money on that. In fact, someone produce a student that can pull off many of the techniques some WC people look for in a fight. We have a fighting venue for them to prove me wrong.

[k gledhill]

That's a compliment. People who fight know you're not going to see the pretty techniques you do in class. I'll put money on that. In fact, someone produce a student that can pull off many of the techniques some WC people look for in a fight. We have a fighting venue for them to prove me wrong.


Not a compliment ....:D

[Phil Redmond]

Not a compliment ....:D
Like I said. Enter some of your fighters into a Manup Standup match and prove me wrong. Otherwise this whole conversation is moot.

[k gledhill]

Like I said. Enter some of your fighters into a Manup Standup match and prove me wrong. Otherwise this whole conversation is moot.

I have enough experience fighting to know whats going to be working or not thanks ;)

[Phil Redmond]

I have enough experience fighting to know whats going to be working or not thanks ;)
Fighting experience as a bouncer or is street fights is one thing. Like you, I was a bouncer in NYC and CT. Testing your art against another skilled martial artist is another thing. Also, I wasn't referring to you. I meant teach a student to fight using the picture perfect techniques you're looking for in other people's vids. Then was can all critique their "Wing Chun" performance. Now if you don't train fighters then I'll understand. And please don't use the WC is only for the street and too deadly for competition rhetoric. :D

[k gledhill]

Fighting experience as a bouncer or is street fights is one thing. Like you, I was a bouncer in NYC and CT. Testing your art against another skilled martial artist is another thing. Also, I wasn't referring to you. I meant teach a student to fight using the picture perfect techniques you're looking for in other people's vids. Then was can all critique their "Wing Chun" performance. Now if you don't train fighters then I'll understand. And please don't use the WC is only for the street and too deadly for competition rhetoric. :D

Not at all too deadly, never too deadly :D I consider fighting a group of guys 3 on me a good test of skills...finger eyejab stop to one guy and a knock out punch to another with the same arm in one move , you cant expect that in a ring :D while the 3rd pleads for mercy on behalf of his messed up friends :D:D
I wouldnt mind getting the guys involved in the MUSU thing, another reason I wanted to meet up is to simply get involved more with fighting venues you know of.
But next Sat !:D

[Phil Redmond]

Sifu William Cheung will be at our NJ school next weekend so I won't be in the city until the following week. It'll be on Sunday since I've changed the day so that people can park for free in Chinatown on Sundays.

[deejaye72]

i think putting the gloves on changes things a bit, phil is right you aint pulling off fancy moves when you got a skilled boxer trying to take your head off.

my father who is my sifu trained in gleasons gym in the mid eighties, and after years of various martial arts as well as ten years of wing chun could not believe the punshiment and the conditioning that the fighters endured. it changed his art.

[trubblman]

That's a compliment. People who fight know you're not going to see the pretty techniques you do in class. I'll put money on that. In fact, someone produce a student that can pull off many of the techniques some WC people look for in a fight. We have a fighting venue for them to prove me wrong.

You re assuming that one need prove you wrong and that one needs, or wants, to participate in MUSU.

[Phil Redmond]

You re assuming that one need prove you wrong and that one needs, or wants, to participate in MUSU.
No, I'm saying that most WC people don't train for competing and/or never have competed. They are usually the ones who trash talk people who at least have the balls to get out there and fight expecting to see perfect techniques like like seen in drills and chi sau clips. No one has to prove anything to me. I know what I'm talking about and I'm not looking for approval from anyone. Also, there are MANY venues to test your skills. I just used the MUSU since it's in NYC where there are many WC school.

[deejaye72]

phil is right even, though he is a william cheung guy, oh well we all cant be perfect! lol :):)

just kidding phil, i have 2 training buddies that trained twc.
and thats one thing i take my hat off to the william cheung guys at least they spar.

that was both of my buddies complaints when finding a wing chun school there was no sparring, just drills and chi sao.
one thing i fully agree with phil on, real fighting is not pretty and looks nothing like fancy drills or chi sao.

[trubblman]

phil is right even, though he is a william cheung guy, oh well we all cant be perfect! lol :):)

just kidding phil, i have 2 training buddies that trained twc.
and thats one thing i take my hat off to the william cheung guys at least they spar.

that was both of my buddies complaints when finding a wing chun school there was no sparring, just drills and chi sao.
one thing i fully agree with phil on, real fighting is not pretty and looks nothing like fancy drills or chi sao.

I have yet to see pretty wing chun, no matter how effective it was. What I would expect to see is more huen sau, bong sau, pak sau, fook sau (etc), coordinated body mechanics and so on. Seeing that VT is a close range fighting style I see a lot of sparring turning into kick boxing matches - or in other words I see VT being used sort of like a long range style.

[Phil Redmond]

I have yet to see pretty wing chun, no matter how effective it was. What I would expect to see is more huen sau, bong sau, pak sau, fook sau (etc), coordinated body mechanics and so on. Seeing that VT is a close range fighting style I see a lot of sparring turning into kick boxing matches - or in other words I see VT being used sort of like a long range style.
If there is a need to use the techniques you mentioned they'd be used. But then again our use for a fook sau might be different from yours. You do see bong saus and pak sau is some of our fights though. And calling something kick boxing isn't a bad thing. At least they fight.

[Mr. Chang]

Sifu Duncan Leung and Sifu Allan Lee, wear the long bridge, they will nominate Applied Wing Chun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q90-zYe77JM

[Phil Redmond]

Sifu Duncan Leung and Sifu Allan Lee, wear the long bridge, they will nominate Applied Wing Chun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q90-zYe77JM
Sifus Alan and Duncan were the ones who showed me how to fight with WC back at the 3 Great Jones St. school.

[mjw]

I did a shidokan "muay thai smoker" kind of ugly and this time I had a 20 lb weight advantage but it is what it is and yes I am new to this sort of thing but won on decision.

Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvF0ibi3vwU
Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zyCSqeru8
Round 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVoZp_Y9j3c

[Phil Redmond]

I did a shidokan "muay thai smoker" kind of ugly and this time I had a 20 lb weight advantage but it is what it is and yes I am new to this sort of thing but won on decision.

Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvF0ibi3vwU
Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2zyCSqeru8
Round 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVoZp_Y9j3c
That's the way to do it Matt. Get out there and fight. If you're interested, I have a group for people who are fighting and/or are interested if fighting. If you'd like to join here's the link:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/wckcg/
People share there. Just send me PM if you're interested.
PR

[Phil Redmond]

I'm not trying to drum up membership for my Wing Chun fighting group. I'll join/support any WC group that's into pressure testing their WC outside of the comfort zone of their kwoons. You see, I don't mind getting hit by another person in a training session. I analyze why I got hit and I work it out. But only one person from here desired to join a group to discuss with WC people who fight or want to fight. Sadly, I anticipated that people are more comfortable in their respective comforts zones.

[mjw]

Thanks yes it is hard to do quite a few WC things with those gloves but you can still use centerline/ triangle theory etc it's just really hard to stick but definitely a way to pressure test things with non wingchun people.....

[Phil Redmond]

Thanks yes it is hard to do quite a few WC things with those gloves but you can still use centerline/ triangle theory etc it's just really hard to stick but definitely a way to pressure test things with non wingchun people.....
What mjw said...:)

[blackjesus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_qLYs8Ocw

Sigh~~~~

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_qLYs8Ocw

Sigh~~~~

We know that a basic stance standing still with arms outstretched is a bad idea....maybe its on of those hybrid mainland versions.?

[mjw]

you can't just stand still in the basic stance done and done

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_qLYs8Ocw

[blackjesus]

you can't just stand still in the basic stance done and done

I blame Ip Man the movie.

[blackjesus]

I did a shidokan "muay thai smoker" kind of ugly and this time I had a 20 lb weight advantage but it is what it is and yes I am new to this sort of thing but won on decision.


Nice one, buddy!

[mjw]

thanks hopefully down the road i will have a few more.....

[Phil Redmond]

I'm not sure where the guy in the grey sweatpants studies. I couldn't make it that day so my student Sifu Rahsun represented us. From what I know the guy came from Chicago with no corner man so Rahsun cornered for him since he is WC family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpyxf0sLI60

[mjw]

Chicago?

I wonder where that guy trains then?

Who goes to fight out of state with no corner or even a friend to corner you....really weird

[Wayfaring]

I'm not sure where the guy in the grey sweatpants studies. I couldn't make it that day so my student Sifu Rahsun represented us. From what I know the guy came from Chicago with no corner man so Rahsun cornered for him since he is WC family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpyxf0sLI60

Glad they're doing it for the experience, but why does every engagement end up in an unskilled clinch, an unskilled takedown, and a 10 second count where neither guy knows 1 submission that works from the ground?

[Phil Redmond]

Glad they're doing it for the experience, but why does every engagement end up in an unskilled clinch, an unskilled takedown, and a 10 second count where neither guy knows 1 submission that works from the ground?
From what I understand the fights are supposed to be primarily standup. That's why if you go to the ground or clinch you have 10 seconds to do something. IMO, it should be longer than ten seconds. But I don't run the events.

[Phil Redmond]

Chicago?

I wonder where that guy trains then?

Who goes to fight out of state with no corner or even a friend to corner you....really weird
I thought the same thing. I wasn't there but when my student found out there was a WC fighter there with no corner he stepped up to help him.

[Mr. Chang]

A excibicion sparring at my school.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy52CD_9K6k

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH0cjMNVbfs&feature=share

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShoJVkFvVbM&feature=related

[wtxs]

A excibicion sparring at my school.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy52CD_9K6k

You got to be sh$tting me. That is an gross way of misrepresentation of any martial art, even as an demo sparring.

[MOSHE]

im not fan of this kind of things , have a look

http://youtu.be/gEWpc9hIY4c

http://youtu.be/j3w067tGQvY

[mjw]

This is supposed to be 2 WC guys fighting full contact mostly just straight blasting and it should have been ended earlier IMO but a few traps in a ring environment which I liked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

This is supposed to be 2 WC guys fighting full contact mostly just straight blasting and it should have been ended earlier IMO but a few traps in a ring environment which I liked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo&feature=related
That's from footage I took. It's been posted here before. The guy in black is a TWC practitioner from our NJ school. The guy with the gray shirt does Moy Yat Wing Chun. These are regular fights held in NYC. If you go to my two youtube channels you see more fights.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEH3kzYCEDs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9KlUUzYRXU&feature=player_embedded

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zhtKX_SZq8

[k gledhill]

Chen Kwong http://www.youkuav.com/v_show/id_XMjE2MjAxODE2.html

http://www.ck-vt.com

[k gledhill]

VT versus Karate.....http://youtu.be/1f7td8Hc-V4

[sanjuro_ronin]

Nice clip, the WC guy did very well, he was aggressive and controlled it.
The Karate guy (looked like kyokushin) seemed to underestimate him and was certainly not used to getting hit in the face/head ( or going after the head for that matter).
I like the clip of this same WC dude vs the MT guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jU8B6eNm2zs

[k gledhill]

Yeah good clips, aggressive striking to back a guy up into a mirror/window and , doh !

[k gledhill]

WC v TKD http://youtu.be/1uG2hBcfVTQ

[sanjuro_ronin]

WC v TKD http://youtu.be/1uG2hBcfVTQ

This is what happens when actual contact is made between two fighters.
I did like how the WC guy tried to apply his wc.

[Frost]

WC v TKD http://youtu.be/1uG2hBcfVTQ

arhh the famous wing chun movement of clinch throw and side control for the win :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

arhh the famous wing chun movement of clinch throw and side control for the win :)

BE NICE !
LOL !

At least in those clips we actually see guys trying to use their WC.
And the guy in the karate and MT clips does a pretty good job.

[sanjuro_ronin]

One thing that you do see BOTH WC guys do that will eventually cost them big time ( but they get away with it here) is reaching low with their lead hand to "block" ( perhaps try to catch) a low kick.

[Frost]

BE NICE !
LOL !

At least in those clips we actually see guys trying to use their WC.
And the guy in the karate and MT clips does a pretty good job.

would like to know what level the karate and thai guys were but hats of to the wing chun guy for making it work straight forward aggressive and looked ok so :) from me

this clip for me is what happens when a close range southern style NOT known for producing knockout power gets into a real fight these days, it hits the clinch and probably the ground so you had better know what to do in those situations

[sanjuro_ronin]

would like to know what level the karate and thai guys were but hats of to the wing chun guy for making it work straight forward aggressive and looked ok so :) from me

this clip for me is what happens when a close range southern style NOT known for producing knockout power gets into a real fight these days, it hits the clinch and probably the ground so you had better know what to do in those situations

The MT look like a noob, but the Karate guy was a BB and in kyokushin that means at least a good 3-4 years of constant hard contact sparring.

[Frost]

The MT look like a noob, but the Karate guy was a BB and in kyokushin that means at least a good 3-4 years of constant hard contact sparring.

maybe not too much head contact then for him? because he looked stunned at getting hit in the head a lot, still the wing chun guy looked ok no doubt about it, would still like to see his chin lower

[sanjuro_ronin]

this clip for me is what happens when a close range southern style NOT known for producing knockout power gets into a real fight these days, it hits the clinch and probably the ground so you had better know what to do in those situations

The opponents structure seemed to be compromised more from the momentum than the actual strikes.
IN all fairness though, unless one have lots of experience fighting a specific style, the correct timing needed to make solid shots land is very hard.

[sanjuro_ronin]

maybe not too much head contact then for him? because he looked stunned at getting hit in the head a lot, still the wing chun guy looked ok no doubt about it, would still like to see his chin lower

WC guys tend to lead with their chin, as we have seen from a few clips.
I think it MAY have to do with how they punch...

[Frost]

WC guys tend to lead with their chin, as we have seen from a few clips.
I think it MAY have to do with how they punch...

maybe not the best idea when your hands occupy the centre and the opponents best route is over and round.....

[sanjuro_ronin]

maybe not the best idea when your hands occupy the centre and the opponents best route is over and round.....

*Sssshhhhhhhhh*

[Frost]

*Sssshhhhhhhhh*

sorry its the CLF coming out in me (hangs head in shame and promises not to revel secrets again)

[sanjuro_ronin]

sorry its the CLF coming out in me (hangs head in shame and promises not to revel secrets again)

Its funny that the strengths of ANY system are also it's weaknesses.

[Frost]

Its funny that the strengths of ANY system are also it's weaknesses.

yep so sometimes its good to train against other systems or even gasp learn a few different ones :)

might end up being a jack of all trades and master of none but you can also become well rounded

[sanjuro_ronin]

yep so sometimes its good to train against other systems or even gasp learn a few different ones :)

might end up being a jack of all trades and master of none but you can also become well rounded

Or become a Master "Jacksmith".
;)

[k gledhill]

maybe not the best idea when your hands occupy the centre and the opponents best route is over and round.....

A lot of VT havent got a clue about a tactical approach.

[sanjuro_ronin]

A lot of VT havent got a clue about a tactical approach.

Yeah but that can be said for most systems that are far too "inbreed" (fighting skills are developed VS itself).
Boxer's boob n weaves leave them open for knees and kicks.
TKD guys side stance leaves them open for TD and low kicks
Karate guy's stance leaves them to static to deal with low kicks and blind side attacks
Etc, etc...
As long as one is aware of ones weaknesses then one can play off their strengths.

WC guys because they want to go "up the middle" VS round strikes sometime tend to over emphasize straight line movement too much.

[Phil Redmond]

Yeah but that can be said for most systems that are far too "inbreed" (fighting skills are developed VS itself).
Boxer's boob n weaves leave them open for knees and kicks.
TKD guys side stance leaves them open for TD and low kicks
Karate guy's stance leaves them to static to deal with low kicks and blind side attacks
Etc, etc...
As long as one is aware of ones weaknesses then one can play off their strengths.

WC guys because they want to go "up the middle" VS round strikes sometime tend to over emphasize straight line movement too much.
Well said except that all WC guys don't go up the middle. My boxing friends and I have a saying that goes; "What's the best way to hit a WC guy. Throw hooks/round punches."
lol

[k gledhill]

Well said except that all WC guys don't go up the middle. My boxing friends and I have a saying that goes; "What's the best way to hit a WC guy. Throw hooks/round punches."
lol

I get nothing but respect from most boxers I teach and train with. I had a boxing coach watch a work out and mention the simultaneous striking he likes.
Like Phil I dont go up the middle either, fools might.

[Phil Redmond]

I get nothing but respect from most boxers I teach and train with. I had a boxing coach watch a work out and mention the simultaneous striking he likes.
Like Phil I dont go up the middle either, fools might.
Yep Kev, you go down the middle and that slip and hook to the body or head will wake you up, (or put you to sleep). lol

[k gledhill]

Yep Kev, you go down the middle and that slip and hook to the body or head will wake you up, (or put you to sleep). lol

Take a knee comes to mind, the new MMA ploy to avoid further punishment :D, my liver hurts thinking about it.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well said except that all WC guys don't go up the middle. My boxing friends and I have a saying that goes; "What's the best way to hit a WC guy. Throw hooks/round punches."
lol

Indeed, some people confuse "centerline" with "up the middle".
Of course if you do spar and fight things become clear much quicker ;)


Originally Posted by Phil Redmond View Post
Yep Kev, you go down the middle and that slip and hook to the body or head will wake you up, (or put you to sleep). lol

Extended bridges are an open invitation.

[k gledhill]

Indeed, some people confuse "centerline" with "up the middle".
Of course if you do spar and fight things become clear much quicker ;)



Extended bridges are an open invitation.

Very true, trying to chase a boxers hands while remaining static is a recipe for blood in urine.
Relating a boxers hands to your center line is a whole other way of fighting.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Very true, trying to chase a boxers hands while remaining static is a recipe for blood in urine.
Relating a boxers hands to your center line is a whole other way of fighting.

The "secret" is YOUR centre line, like you just said.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jFFBPmCyg&feature=share

[Frost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90guNZ_QhjU

wing chun v Thai, only ever really one winner only one side had any power, but at least he tested himself

[SAAMAG]

Good find Frost. This is basically what happens when someone thinks they can kick-box with WC. Then again, it seems fairly obvious that one was a seasoned fighter and the other was not...style aside.

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90guNZ_QhjU

wing chun v Thai, only ever really one winner only one side had any power, but at least he tested himself

lmfao ! you think thats VT ? :D

[Bacon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jFFBPmCyg&feature=share

Funny. As much as I love wing chun this is what often seems to happen. Straights do minor damage, circular shot finishes whether hook, upper, overhand, etc.

[Phil Redmond]

The "secret" is YOUR centre line, like you just said.
My secret is my "central line". lol

[Phil Redmond]

Not full contact but a nice exchange:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcSXIphz784

[Vajramusti]

lmfao ! you think thats VT ? :D
---------------------------------------------------
Folks just have to use the words-"wing chun"- and presto, it is regarded as wing chun!!

[Frost]

lmfao ! you think thats VT ? :D

well he says its wing chun, and since hes testing himself and all you seem to do is post clips of your teacher hitting air, id be inclined to side with him over you :cool:

[k gledhill]

well he says its wing chun, and since hes testing himself and all you seem to do is post clips of your teacher hitting air, id be inclined to side with him over you :cool:

Sorry I ignored your response for so long, lets get back to it shall we.

Frost, I have a bridge for sale, you'll like it, cheap ;) sucker born every minute :cool:

[Frost]

Sorry I ignored your response for so long, lets get back to it shall we.

Frost, I have a bridge for sale, you'll like it, cheap ;) sucker born every minute :cool:
its ok i know you are busy correcting all the problems in the WT universe :)

Nay you are alright im not that stupid ive managed to keep away from the PB cool aid and train with real fighters so i know whats real and whats not :)

[k gledhill]

its ok i know you are busy correcting all the problems in the WT universe :)

Nay you are alright im not that stupid ive managed to keep away from the PB cool aid and train with real fighters so i know whats real and whats not :)

Keeping it real :D love that notion.

[Frost]

Keeping it real :D love that notion.

of course we all have different ideas of reality :)

[k gledhill]

of course we all have different ideas of reality :)

Agreed.......; )

[GlennR]

well he says its wing chun, and since hes testing himself and all you seem to do is post clips of your teacher hitting air, id be inclined to side with him over you :cool:

Come on, air striking is extreme!!!!!

[Frost]

Come on, air striking is extreme!!!!!

never said it was good ...said i find it hard to take the word of someone who wont post any fight clips as to what it is or isnt

Everyone seems to have their own idea as to what wing chun should look like, but endlessly saying this isnt it without posting fighting clips of what they think is wing chun is silly

[k gledhill]

Come on, air striking is extreme!!!!!

The famous eggbeater from hell ! :D NOT VT

[GlennR]

never said it was good ...said i find it hard to take the word of someone who wont post any fight clips as to what it is or isnt

Everyone seems to have their own idea as to what wing chun should look like, but endlessly saying this isnt it without posting fighting clips of what they think is wing chun is silly

You'll never see that clip and don't be too harsh on old Kevin about it ;)

WC is a self defense style, after the first 10 seconds in a ring all the sport combat styles will pick it apart..... It's not a bad thing, just not what it was devised for

[Frost]

You'll never see that clip and don't be too harsh on old Kevin about it ;)

WC is a self defense style, after the first 10 seconds in a ring all the sport combat styles will pick it apart..... It's not a bad thing, just not what it was devised for

what's the difference between the roof top fights people talk about and fighting in a ring or cage with minimum rules?

CLF is a self defence system and it manages to work in the ring as does lama and a fair few other arts, alan orr seems to make wing chun work in the ring so whats the problem

[k gledhill]

You'll never see that clip and don't be too harsh on old Kevin about it ;)

WC is a self defense style, after the first 10 seconds in a ring all the sport combat styles will pick it apart..... It's not a bad thing, just not what it was devised for

What!? you mean the endless chain punch from hell is useless ? no say it aint so !! :D

[Sima Rong]

what's the difference between the roof top fights people talk about and fighting in a ring or cage with minimum rules?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2L7oNMDe0&feature=related
:D

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2L7oNMDe0&feature=related
:D

WSL was obviously working out on this rooftop :D

[JPinAZ]

WSL was obviously working out on this rooftop :D

Hope he didn't use iron palm or chi gung when he did it, or he might get kicked out of his own organization! ;) (smart move killing that thread btw)

[k gledhill]

Hope he didn't use iron palm or chi gung when he did it, or he might get kicked out of his own organization! ;) (smart move killing that thread btw)

Thread ? what thread dipsh*t ?:D

[Frost]

Thread ? what thread dipsh*t ?:D

you know the one where everyone told you you were full of cr*p and you had a hissy fit and deleted it :D

Gosh who could have seen that coming :)

[k gledhill]

you know the one where everyone told you you were full of cr*p and you had a hissy fit and deleted it :D

Gosh who could have seen that coming :)

Ah the one where you just added your parasitic input as usual, oh and like here too ;)
troll.

[Frost]

Ah the one where you just added your parasitic input as usual, oh and like here too ;)
troll.

quick recap of what a troll is and how they act
1) they always say others are doing things incorrectly and laugh at them but never post any clips of themselves doing anything
2) they elude to having something special and unique and put everyone else down
3) they elude to have had dozens of street fights but cant post any clips of themselves sparing or doing anything meaningful
4) they never contribute anything beyond smilie faces jokes and insults

Now lets se who here does that remind you of?:):D

[k gledhill]

quick recap of what a troll is and how they act
1) they always say others are doing things incorrectly and laugh at them but never post any clips of themselves doing anything
2) they elude to having something special and unique and put everyone else down
3) they elude to have had dozens of street fights but cant post any clips of themselves sparing or doing anything meaningful
4) they never contribute anything beyond smilie faces jokes and insults

Now lets se who here does that remind you of?:):D

Troll response :D

[Frost]

Troll response :D

must kill you you cant delete this thread :)

[wingchunIan]

what's the difference between the roof top fights people talk about and fighting in a ring or cage with minimum rules?

CLF is a self defence system and it manages to work in the ring as does lama and a fair few other arts, alan orr seems to make wing chun work in the ring so whats the problem

you must watch different fights to me.Can you post some footage of CLF or lama (thought that was something pregnant women did) fighting in the ring / cage against other styles?

[wingchunIan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jFFBPmCyg&feature=share

what is the point of this clip? exactly which one is supposed to be doing anything related to Wing Chun? You can call a style anything you like weng chun, wing chun, karate, taekwondo etc but there's an old addage if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers like a duck then its probably a duck. So if it looks like boxing or kick boxing.............

[Frost]

you must watch different fights to me.Can you post some footage of CLF or lama (thought that was something pregnant women did) fighting in the ring / cage against other styles?

I probably do as i seem to find quite a few CLF clips from europe and asia

will post CLF fighting in the ring in various sanda comps tonight

As for the lama fights look up new york sanda run by david ross who used to post here, he is a lama teacher with guys holding national sanda titles who have also faught MMA.

If you cant wait until later simply seach full contact CLF or CLF sanda in youtube you will get a fair few hits :)

[Frost]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=clf+sanda&oq=clf+sanda&gs_l=youtube.3...327.951.0.1341.5.5.0.0.0.0.203.60 9.2j2j1.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.bOPnvPyfKD8

Cant few view any of these as at work but a quick search on youtube for CLF sanda, a few fights on here if you need more will post after work

[wingchunIan]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=clf+sanda&oq=clf+sanda&gs_l=youtube.3...327.951.0.1341.5.5.0.0.0.0.203.60 9.2j2j1.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.bOPnvPyfKD8

Cant few view any of these as at work but a quick search on youtube for CLF sanda, a few fights on here if you need more will post after work

Thanks, but even with my own searches I still don't see any CLF. I see lots of guys practising boxing and MT on pads and then a bunch of guys competing in sanda / sanshou with nothing that looks like CLF. Every time I see clips like these it makes me smile because it reminds me of the early days of full contact where karate gyms would be full of folks practising reverse punch and stance work, blocks etc etc but to do full contact there were separate classes and the first thing you learned was to throw away everything taught in the class and practise hooks, jabs and uppercuts - or in other words boxing. Every martial art has signatures and unless they are displayed in some form during these full contact competitions / mma matches then any label applied is meaningless.

[Frost]

Thanks, but even with my own searches I still don't see any CLF. I see lots of guys practising boxing and MT on pads and then a bunch of guys competing in sanda / sanshou with nothing that looks like CLF. Every time I see clips like these it makes me smile because it reminds me of the early days of full contact where karate gyms would be full of folks practising reverse punch and stance work, blocks etc etc but to do full contact there were separate classes and the first thing you learned was to throw away everything taught in the class and practise hooks, jabs and uppercuts - or in other words boxing. Every martial art has signatures and unless they are displayed in some form during these full contact competitions / mma matches then any label applied is meaningless.


How long did you do CLf for ? Just curious as the CLF I have seen, done and watched ours guys fight full contact with has hooks overhands, uppercuts straights and backfists, all of which you see in those clips?

Clf signature moves include overhands uppercuts and hooks so im a bit confused what exactly did you want to see in those fights?

Take what are commonly called the 10 seed techniques of CLF and the base of the art

Pow choy is a wide upper cut, jong is a short range upper cut, chop choy is a straight punch like a power jab , sow choy is to all intents a wide hook punch which can be shortened as when when needed, ding is an elbow strike and kum is a pressing hand similar to a parry in boxing. So 6 of the ten core moves look like boxing or thai when gloved up, ding can also mean a knee strike as well as an elbow as it can be referring to using a major joint to attack. Add to that we have various overhand strikes as well as shovel hooks and is it any wonder it looks like thai or boxing when fighting or on the pads to th untrained eye?

[Yoshiyahu]

Jut Da makes him go down...Knock out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo

[Vajramusti]

Jut Da makes him go down...Knock out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo
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That was a decent punch by one of Keith Mazza's student against a Moy Yat student.
Individuals do make a difference.

[Phil Redmond]

Jut Da makes him go down...Knock out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSCcj6PbLo
That was a Lop Da. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-TT-6JeSZE
I was there and I took and uploaded that video. There is another angle that shows it better from someone else's camera. I'll try to find it.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW1h89kUES8

[Phil Redmond]

The shirtless WC fighter was 56: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9yZvbINqUM

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78G7R-8i0UA

[k gledhill]

The shirtless WC fighter was 56: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9yZvbINqUM

I am 53, good to see old wrinklies still banging ;)

[B.Tunks]

prob been posted before but couldn't find with search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKl9vp2PIyU

[gunbeatskroty]

so why do WC guys dresses like they just got off work from a Chinese restaurant?

[Yoshiyahu]

the shirtless wc fighter was 56: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9yzvbinqum

i enjoyed seeing the principles utilize...forward pressure!

[JPinAZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI
haha, no comment

[wingchunIan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI
haha, no comment

why the haha JP? very painful lesson for the young kid to learn. 10 out of 10 to him for having the balls to not only give it a go but also to get back up after being dropped.

[B.Tunks]

i feel sorry for the kid. his teacher is the one that needs the sh.it kicked out of him.

[JPinAZ]

why the haha JP? very painful lesson for the young kid to learn. 10 out of 10 to him for having the balls to not only give it a go but also to get back up after being dropped.

I agree - painful lesson. I have no issue with the kids heart, but I have issue with this ked even being there.
Unfortunately, this is what happens when one person who has no realistic skill testing as part of their training (ie. no sparring) fights someone that bases the majority of their training doing so.
So I'm with B.Tunks - I blame his teacher, the kid shouldn't have been there.

[k gledhill]

http://youtu.be/nxMjrCCjb2M

[LaRoux]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI
haha, no comment

Good for him for going out and testing himself. Now he has a much better idea of what a real, full contact system can do and can make a more informed decision about any future training.

[kung fu fighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCv7ahamw7k

[Alan Orr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RekowrObGTI

[ironpalm]

Both CSL fighter in black outfit..

vs San Shou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktAOT4nF-j8

vs Muay Thai (San Shou rules)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyb9V_YA_e0


Cheers


Steven