new to kung fu

[tigerguy]

i need some help, im going to be starting at the Wing chun Kung fu next month, i want to know if anyone can give me any information on kung fu so i can be prepared, ive wanted to learn martail arts for awhile and i wanted to do kung fu but ive never donr it before.

i just want to be prepare with my mind and body because i know its going to be hard and im abit of a sensitive person, not fully sensitive but i really want to do this and i dont want to quit as soon as it gets hard.

im abit of a chubby guy, im 22 years old. all i want to know is how does the beginners course go, im going to this place

http://www.chingmo.com/

if any of you know this place and trained with them id like your opinion and anything you can prepare me for.

[Frost]

just go and have a go everyones opinion and views will be different we can't tell you what to expect as its an individual thing.

Most schools will let you watch before you takepart and take an introduction class before you join

[tigerguy]

just go and have a go everyones opinion and views will be different we can't tell you what to expect as its an individual thing.

Most schools will let you watch before you takepart and take an introduction class before you join

im going for my introduction soon, im hoping it will go well

[Frost]

im going for my introduction soon, im hoping it will go well

i sure you will enjoy it don;t worry to much about it just have some fun :)

[tigerguy]

thanks, i just want to be prepare as i want to do this from start to finnish

[Lucas]

there is no finish!

but ya just go, have fun, observe and learn. they wont put you through all the paces right away, there will be some 'adjustment' time for beginners.

[SAAMAG]

Well you can finish a curriculum pretty quickly. Attaining skill in that curriculum is a whole different story.

[couch]

i need some help, im going to be starting at the Wing chun Kung fu next month, i want to know if anyone can give me any information on kung fu so i can be prepared, ive wanted to learn martail arts for awhile and i wanted to do kung fu but ive never donr it before.

i just want to be prepare with my mind and body because i know its going to be hard and im abit of a sensitive person, not fully sensitive but i really want to do this and i dont want to quit as soon as it gets hard.

im abit of a chubby guy, im 22 years old. all i want to know is how does the beginners course go, im going to this place

http://www.chingmo.com/

if any of you know this place and trained with them id like your opinion and anything you can prepare me for.

You can't prepare for something you don't know about. You can't prepare for the future. You can only be in the moment and enjoy it and experience it for all it's worth.

Enjoy your new Kung-Fu journey.

Best,
CTK

[Dragonzbane76]

absorb, learn, enjoy. wouldn't look for an opinion on here really, form one for yourself, common sense is your best option when looking to try something new. :)

[Hardwork108]

i need some help, im going to be starting at the Wing chun Kung fu next month, i want to know if anyone can give me any information on kung fu so i can be prepared, ive wanted to learn martail arts for awhile and i wanted to do kung fu but ive never donr it before.

i just want to be prepare with my mind and body because i know its going to be hard and im abit of a sensitive person, not fully sensitive but i really want to do this and i dont want to quit as soon as it gets hard.

im abit of a chubby guy, im 22 years old. all i want to know is how does the beginners course go, im going to this place

http://www.chingmo.com/

if any of you know this place and trained with them id like your opinion and anything you can prepare me for.


Don't worry and just do it. Your instructor will be aware that you are a beginner so provisions will be taken to ease you into the system.

One advice that I would give you is that look at this as a long term endeavor so be patient and have the what I call "school student" mentality. That is, just make sure you attend your classes as if you would when studying in an academic school.

When we are kids we don't decide wether we should go to school or not, we just do it as generally we have no choice. Use that same mindset, and attend regularly.

Once you start improving you can go on to research Wing Chun on your own by reading some good books on this sytem. This more knowledge should motivate you more as far as your day to day training is concerned.

As time goes on you can even investigate and research other kung fu styles, that will help you better understand your Wing Chun, and of course to provide you with possible future martial arts options when you eventually complete the Wing Chun system.

Go for it and good luck! :)

[tigershorty]

if you want to prepare in my opinion..look at your own question for answers. you said youre a bit of a chubby guy, then on your free time maybe try to get in more shape.

[Wayfaring]

Beautiful. I'm sure whatever your needs are, the "Classroom Student Mentors" will be able to help you out with.

[t_niehoff]

Well you can finish a curriculum pretty quickly. Attaining skill in that curriculum is a whole different story.

That's very true.

And then there are the 30 year plans that keep sifu's rice bowl being refilled. ;)

[YungChun]

What do you hope to get out of your training?

[monkeyfoot]

Don't sweat it mate. Classes are intimidating at first as you expect everyone so be this super hard fighter...in reality there will be a lot of new people too. Most Classes should generally be run in a friendly 'we're all going in the same direction lets help each other' sort of mentality. If theres a really strong competition between students (one man journey etc) then I'd be dubious as it doesn't reflect well on the school.

But you'll be fine. Don't worry about the weight, you'll sweat that out in the first week :D lol

good luck

let us know how it goes

Craig

[Simon Morris]

Key attributes of a good Instructor:
* Listening skills
* Empathy
* Humour
* Rapport

If you find that the Instructor bombards you in your 1st lesson, then he has none of the above attributes, generally indicating that he is a 'knob head'.

Cheers
Simon.

[tigerguy]

thanks everyone for your posts and your advice, i really appreiciate your advice, its this saturday, i'll let you know how it goes.

thank you

[tigerguy]

is it true that kungfu can get you into shape and when it comes to disapline, how do they show the disapline in this, i dont mind either way, im just curious.

[YungChun]

is it true that kungfu can get you into shape and when it comes to disapline, how do they show the disapline in this, i dont mind either way, im just curious.

No it's not true.. What is true is that eating right and regular quality exercise along with the will to do the work is what will get you into shape..

Any sport can teach us about ourselves.. The best thing you can do is forget all the myths of Kung-Fu and keep in mind what you want to get out of this..

If that thing is "self defense" then start doing the work of researching on-line and learn the truth about what SD is and what it takes... If you do that you will learn more by yourself than most schools will ever teach you..........

[tigerguy]

ok understandable

[Hardwork108]

No it's not true.. What is true is that eating right and regular quality exercise along with the will to do the work is what will get you into shape..
A good kung fu teacher will know a lot about the health and fitness aspect of kung fu training.

So, yes kung fu can get you into shape and make you fit and healthy!


Any sport can teach us about ourselves.. The best thing you can do is forget all the myths of Kung-Fu and keep in mind what you want to get out of this..
Some of the "myths" of kung fu are true. The problem is that there are not many genuine kung fu schools that will teach you this art the way it was meant to be taught!


If that thing is "self defense" then start doing the work of researching on-line and learn the truth about what SD is and what it takes... If you do that you will learn more by yourself than most schools will ever teach you..........

Yes, everybody knows that you don't ask your kung fu teacher about self defense, instead you learn about it on the internet from forums populated by kung fu-clueless, MMA knuckleheads and/or Pseudo-TCMA McKung fu-ists who have never been exposed to genuine kung fu training....:rolleyes:

Chrit!

Where do you guys get your "'kung fu' information"? !!!!!!

[YungChun]

A good kung fu teacher will know a lot about the health and fitness aspect of kung fu training.

So, yes kung fu can get you into shape and make you fit and healthy!


Yes it will even make your teeth whiter..

And the fantasy would continue save the contradiction here..


The problem is that there are not many genuine kung fu schools that will teach you this art the way it was meant to be taught!


Right so actually no he meant his teacher..



Yes, everybody knows that you don't ask your kung fu teacher about self defense, instead you learn about it on the internet from forums populated by kung fu-clueless, MMA knuckleheads and/or Pseudo-TCMA McKung fu-ists who have never been exposed to genuine kung fu training....:rolleyes:

No I don't want him learning your way, that's really the point.

See he doesn't have your teacher who possesses the entire package containing the worlds knowledge of all things under the sun so we're back to:



The problem is that there are not many genuine kung fu schools that will teach you this art the way it was meant to be taught!


The fact is that no "kung-fu" teacher (except for HW108 of course) or perhaps one in a billion -- will be teaching good kung-fu; have a good knowledge of physical fitness and dietitian/nutrition training, implement that into their program AND also cover all areas of modern self defense (except in the demented one's head). It does not exist and to suggest otherwise only reveals how naive and ignorant one is on the subject matter..

Even HW108 admits most KF teachers can't teach "real" Kung-Fu yet he will tell you they can teach you about two other giant areas of study.. Areas that people study specifically for years and still will normally specialize in because each area of study has many sub areas of specialty.. Put it all together and you'd need more than a single lifetime to develop real skill/knowledge in all these areas..

The Internet is simply the greatest research and learning tool known to man.. The entire wealth of man's knowledge is available on the net... Yes, there is misinformation and stupidity on the net, which is why folks need to study, research, corroborate information and take asinine posts like HW108's for what they are...

Anyone who really wants to learn about these things will sooner or later need to take charge of their own path -- do their own research and seek out many of those professionals in all these areas to learn from...

Or..........just ask your Sifu!!! LOL

[hulkout]

Kung Fu or any other martial art will NOT burn a significant number of calories or get you in hard condition. It's great for all kinds of stuff that you can't see with the naked eye. Speed, coordination, reflexes, chi, ging, etc. But if you think that you'll lose tons of weight and get rock hard like Bruce Lee just form Kung Fu, you are badly mistaken. Unfortunately, most traditional martial arts guys don't take conditioning very seriously and that's one of the main reasons why a lot of them suck so badly. A lot of traditional guys seem to be full of sour grapes when talking about guys who spend lots of time with conditioning. When is it ever an advantage to be fat? I don't care if you say your chi and ging are really good, being in shape is always better than not being in shape. Don't listen to the fatasses. If you want to be the best you can be, You MUST work hard on aerobic conditioning, flexibility, and strength training.

[Hardwork108]

Yes it will even make your teeth whiter..
That is pure fantasy, and you know it....:rolleyes:


And the fantasy would continue save the contradiction here..
You see contradiction because you have no solid knowledge base as far as genuine kung fu training is concerned, and sadly, you are in "good" company in this forum!



Right so actually no he meant his teacher..

Yes, I did!

I have trained under TWO great teachers, and I am not going to apologize for it to some clueless Mckung fu fodder, specially in a KUNG FU FORUM!!!


No I don't want him learning your way, that's really the point.
Fortunately for him you don't represent Jack sh1t in the kung fu world. You are just a Mcdojo fodder who come to forum like this one and sell some pseudo kung fu or glorified kickboxing "wisdom" just to feel good about themselves......

I don't know you personally but I have come to the above conclusion from your own clueless and idiotic posts....


See he doesn't have your teacher who possesses the entire package containing the worlds knowledge of all things under the sun

So knowing about certan health aspects, together with genuine kung fu knowledge is knowing "every thing under the sun"? Interesting.........:rolleyes:

The minds of the cognitively challenged work in mysterious ways, it seems.....



so we're back to:



The fact is that no "kung-fu" teacher (except for HW108 of course) or perhaps one in a billion -- will be teaching good kung-fu; have a good knowledge of physical fitness and dietitian/nutrition training, implement that into their program AND also cover all areas of modern self defense

This may be news to you, obviously because you don't really practice authentic kung fu, but traditionally many kung fu sifus and masters were well versed in medicine and other areas of study, sometimes referred to as "the Five Excellences". Look it up and you will see, if it is not too much pressure for your "brain", that is.....

Seriously, you are lucky that most people posting here don't know zilch about traditional kung fu methodologies or you and many others (you know who you are!) would be laughed off this forum because of your idiotic and clueless posts!


(except in the demented one's head).
It seems that your kung fu-cluelessness, is showing you to be the demented one!



It does not exist and to suggest otherwise only reveals how naive and ignorant one is on the subject matter..
You mean more ignorant and naive than you are coming across, at the moment?


Even HW108 admits most KF teachers can't teach "real" Kung-Fu yet he will tell you they can teach you about two other giant areas of study..

Maybe they are giant areas of study for people with small brains, such as yours?


Areas that people study specifically for years and still will normally specialize in because each area of study has many sub areas of specialty..

Or they are areas that can be studied in context of one's art incorporating kung fu philosophies and sciences such as the Yin and Yang theory and approach to health, as well as combat; acupuncture studies, for health as well as combat; Internal training for health, as well as combat; herbal medicine training for health as well as combat injury medication, and I hope that even you are realizing where I am going with this.....:rolleyes:

[You are lucky that I took the time to explain the above, as usually I don't waste my precious time with clueless internet pseudo-kung fu-ists!]



Put it all together and you'd need more than a single lifetime to develop real skill/knowledge in all these areas..

Personally, I am amazed that you have learned to type on a keyboard within only one lifetime....


The Internet is simply the greatest research and learning tool known to man..

I bow to your real kung fu "sifu"....:rolleyes:



The entire wealth of man's knowledge is available on the net...
I humbly believe that you should first focus on improving your none-existant kung fu knowledge, before worrying about the rest of the wealth of man's knowledge.....


Yes, there is misinformation and stupidity on the net, which is....

.....where your current post comes in.....LOL.

In light of what I have said about health and fitness within the scope of genuine kung fu training, you must be really feeling like an idiot right now (not to mention, looking like one).....and it serves you right for your unprovoked rudeness!


why folks need to study, research, corroborate information and take asinine posts like HW108's for what they are...
Well, right about now, anyone reading this thread will know that your clueless post is the asinine one.....LOL


Anyone who really wants to learn about these things will sooner or later need to take charge of their own path -- do their own research and seek out many of those professionals in all these areas to learn from...

Or..........just ask your Sifu!!! LOL

That (the bold phrase) is the only correct statement that you have made in your whole post, and even that was a bit lacking.

Let me help you....those who want to learn genuine kung fu which will include health and fitness aspects within its scope of training (no matter what clueless internet-fu-ists [such as yourself] advise them) can do so by finding genuine kung fu sifus who can teach you a given style(s) holistically. Health and fitness are inbuilt aspects of authentic kung fu training.

No one says finding a genuine kung fu sifu is easy, specially in current times where the world is infested with Mcdojos/kwoons, not to mention their clueless students.

The only hint I can give is for anyone looking for authentic training, to avoid training under Yung Chun's "sifu"!

There, another good deed for today.

Enjoy your "path"!

[Dragonzbane76]

http://www.contractortalk.com/attachments/f11/23017d1252559361-gc-screwups-internet-mom-naked-demotivational-poster.jpg

[Frost]

That is pure fantasy, and you know it....:rolleyes:


You see contradiction because you have no solid knowledge base as far as genuine kung fu training is concerned, and sadly, you are in "good" company in this forum!




Yes, I did!

I have trained under TWO great teachers, and I am not going to apologize for it to some clueless Mckung fu fodder, specially in a KUNG FU FORUM!!!


Fortunately for him you don't represent Jack sh1t in the kung fu world. You are just a Mcdojo fodder who come to forum like this one and sell some pseudo kung fu or glorified kickboxing "wisdom" just to feel good about themselves......

I don't know you personally but I have come to the above conclusion from your own clueless and idiotic posts....



So knowing about certan health aspects, together with genuine kung fu knowledge is knowing "every thing under the sun"? Interesting.........:rolleyes:

The minds of the cognitively challenged work in mysterious ways, it seems.....




This may be news to you, obviously because you don't really practice authentic kung fu, but traditionally many kung fu sifus and masters were well versed in medicine and other areas of study, sometimes referred to as "the Five Excellences". Look it up and you will see, if it is not too much pressure for your "brain", that is.....

Seriously, you are lucky that most people posting here don't know zilch about traditional kung fu methodologies or you and many others (you know who you are!) would be laughed off this forum because of your idiotic and clueless posts!


It seems that your kung fu-cluelessness, is showing you to be the demented one!



You mean more ignorant and naive than you are coming across, at the moment?



Maybe they are giant areas of study for people with small brains, such as yours?



Or they are areas that can be studied in context of one's art incorporating kung fu philosophies and sciences such as the Yin and Yang theory and approach to health, as well as combat; acupuncture studies, for health as well as combat; Internal training for health, as well as combat; herbal medicine training for health as well as combat injury medication, and I hope that even you are realizing where I am going with this.....:rolleyes:

[You are lucky that I took the time to explain the above, as usually I don't waste my precious time with clueless internet pseudo-kung fu-ists!]




Personally, I am amazed that you have learned to type on a keyboard within only one lifetime....



I bow to your real kung fu "sifu"....:rolleyes:



I humbly believe that you should first focus on improving your none-existant kung fu knowledge, before worrying about the rest of the wealth of mans knowledge.....



.....where your current post comes in.....LOL. In light of what I have said about health and fitness within the scope of genuine kung fu training, you must be really be feeling like an idiot right now (not to mention, looking like one).....and it serves you right for your unprovoked rudeness!


Well, right about now, anyone reading this thread will know that your clueless post is the asinine one.....LOL



That (the bold phrase) is the only correct statement that you have made in your whole post, and even that was a bit lacking.

Let me help you....those who want to learn genuine kung fu which will include health and fitness aspects within its scope of training (no matter what clueless internet-fu-ists [such as yourself] tell you) can do so by finding genuine kung fu sifus who can teach you a given style(s) holistically. Health and fitness are inbuilt aspects of authentic kung fu training.

No one says finding a genuine kung fu sifu is easy, specially in current times where the world is infested with Mcdojos/kwoons. The only hint I can give is for anyone looking for authentic training, to avoid training under Yung Chun's "sifu"!

There, another good deed for today.

Enjoy your "path"!

nope much better to go learn from an authentic master like HW...oh wait he has not had a proper master and not finished a single style so doesn;t know what a complete real system looks like:)

[Hardwork108]

nope much better to go learn from an authentic master like HW...oh wait he has not had a proper master and not finished a single style so doesn;t know what a complete real system looks like:)

...Yet, I still know more than you, and the likes of you, will ever know....

And honestly speaking, that is not a difficult achievement by any measure.;)

So, go ahead and gang up to protect your none existant knowledge status here in the forums, as all you will do is, as always, show your cluelessness by shooting yourselves in the foot, just like our friend Yung Chun did in his last post....LOL

[Frost]

...Yet, I still know more than you, and the likes of you, will ever know....

And honestly speaking, that is not a difficult achievement by any measure.;)

So, go ahead and gang up to protect your none existant knowledge status here in the forums, as all you will do is, as always, show your cluelessness by shooting yourselves in the foot, just like our friend Yung Chun did in his last post....LOL

lol sure you do, you know more than myself, yung chun, david ross, sanjorin and countless others, quite an achievment for someone who only trained for a few years under a sparten and now gets all his training from kung fu movies:)

[Hardwork108]

lol sure you do, you know more than myself, yung chun, david ross, sanjorin and countless others, quite an achievment for someone who only trained for a few years under a sparten and now gets all his training from kung fu movies:)

Why do you cross training knuckleheads always lie and slander when you are shown to be hopelessly clueless and lacking in kung fu knowledge?

Hey, wait a minute, I just answered my own question....LOL

[Frost]

Why do you cross training knuckleheads always lie and slander when you are shown to be hopelessly clueless and lacking in kung fu knowledge?

Hey, wait a minute, I just answered my own question....LOL

ok so which part was a lie... did you not train with someone who is now living the sparten life....and at the moment are you not without a teacher?

[Hardwork108]

ok so which part was a lie... did you not train with someone who is now living the sparten life....and at the moment are you not without a teacher?

At the moment I am TRAINING, thank you very much!!!

My Wing Chun kung fu teacher lives a kung fu lifestyle, even if he is fond of ancient battlefield arts.

And finally, only clueless knuckleheads such as yourself have learned your "kung fu" from watching movies. So, save the lies and your slanderous remarks for yourself!

You really should read my post to Yung Chun, perhaps then you will get a better idea about me and hence not continue to lie and slander, while putting your foot in your mouth.

[You guys are so insecure and frightened that even I am surprised. You come out of the wood work to attack and insult when my initial posts were not even directed at you, Yung Chun nor our brain dead friend, Dragonzbane76.....LOL]

Actually, on second thoughts don't read my post to Yung Chun, as we wouldn't want you to strain that punch drunk and already fragile brain of yours.

So, why don't you continue on your cross training/MMA path and go and post on the relevant cross training threads, that way you won't be made to look stupid, hence will not feel the need to defend your "honor" through resorting to lies and slander (a common tactic with you pseudo kung fu-ists, it seems)!

You can take YungChun along with you as he also seems to be out of his dept here. Maybe he will have better luck figuring out BJJ and Olympic Weight training, than he has had with his "kung fu":rolleyes:.......

Sounds like a fair deal, no?

[Frost]

At the moment I am TRAINING, thank you very much!!!

My Wing Chun kung fu teacher lives a kung fu lifestyle, even if he is fond of ancient battlefield arts.

And finally, only clueless knuckleheads such as yourself have learned your "kung fu" from watching movies. So, save the lies and your slanderous remarks for yourself!

You really should read my post to Yung Chun, perhaps then you will get a better idea about me and hence not continue to lie and slander, while putting your foot in your mouth.

[You guys are so insecure and frightened that even I am surprised. You come out of the wood work to attack and insult when my initial posts were not even directed at you, Yung Chun nor our brain dead friend, Dragonzbane76.....LOL]

Actually, on second thoughts don't read my post to Yung Chun, as we wouldn't want you to strain that punch drunk and already fragile brain of yours.

So, why don't you continue on your cross training/MMA path and go and post on the relevant cross training threads, that way you won't be made to look stupid, hence will not feel the need to defend your "honor" through resorting to lies and slander (a common tactic with you pseudo kung fu-ists, it seems)!

You can take YungChun along with you as he also seems to be out of his dept here. Maybe he will have better luck figuring out BJJ and Olympic Weight training, than he has had with his "kung fu":rolleyes:.......

Sounds like a fair deal, no?

whose attacking you...i just find it funny that a guy with a few years of study with no recognised master can fling so many insults around :o)

really i remember you saying you were between styles..what style are you mastering now lol

out of depth chatting to a guy with a few classes in mainland wing chun, and a little bit of mantis under his belt that would be the day lol

[Dragonzbane76]

[You guys are so insecure and frightened that even I am surprised. You come out of the wood work to attack and insult when my initial posts were not even directed at you, Yung Chun nor our brain dead friend, Dragonzbane76.....LOL]

not much to attack... retards could come up with more original stuff than you. honestly you have not the hint of originality anywhere upon your person. You copy and paste everything you write.

BAN HIM, BAN HIM.....

[Frost]

not much to attack... retards could come up with more original stuff than you. honestly you have not the hint of originality anywhere upon your person. You copy and paste everything you write.

BAN HIM, BAN HIM.....

Come on be fair he talks about training with authentic masters so let’s see which ones he has trained with and is currently training with

his wing chun instructor as far as I know is not a recognised master of that style so he must be talking about training with other masters, since he mentioned chow gar and lived here in the UK I would be interested in learning which of the master here in the UK he trained directly under Grandmaster Yip Shui, Master Yip Chee Keung paul whitrod......

[Hardwork108]

whose attacking you...i just find it funny that a guy with a few years of study with no recognised master can fling so many insults around :o)
With all due respect, you wouldn't know a "recognized" master if he fell on your thick head!!!

You are just MMA-ist. It is a wonder that the likes of you can gather enough neurons to spell "kung fu", let alone write critiques on people who actually practice a give style(s)! LOL!


really i remember you saying you were between styles..what style are you mastering now lol
I doubt that you would "recognize" the style nor the sifu.....:rolleyes:


out of depth chatting to a guy with a few classes in mainland wing chun,

"Few" classes? Yes, keep badmouthing and slandering, I am enjoying your desperation. By the way, even if it were "few" classes with a genuine sifu, then if would be "few" classes more than you! LOL


and a little bit of mantis under his belt
My "little bit of Mantis" is a "little bit" more than yours...But do continue with your negative and slanderous statements, as your desperation is fun to watch from where I am sitting....LOL


that would be the day lol

Actually, you would be out of dept in comparison with the beginners in my school. You are just an MMA kickboxer and a weight lifter, so stick to what you are good at.

[Hardwork108]

not much to attack... retards could come up with more original stuff than you. honestly you have not the hint of originality anywhere upon your person. You copy and paste everything you write.

BAN HIM, BAN HIM.....

:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

Come on be fair he talks about training with authentic masters so let’s see which ones he has trained with and is currently training with

My kung fu knowledge is in my posts and there are people here who recognize that, in the same vein, I don't need to know who your "masters" were to conclude that you are clueless regarding authentic kung fu training, IT IS ALL IN YOUR POSTS and that is why I don't ask you who they were! LOL


his wing chun instructor as far as I know is not a recognised master of that style

What would you know about "recognized" masters? You don't even practice kung fu....LOL

By the way, the world is full of "recognized" masters that the clueless like you would "recognize" who or whose students are ripping off the naive out of their hard earned cash. You probably have studied with one of these characters, hence your kung fu-cluelessness.....

You and people like you have no idea about authentic kung fu training. Everyone one knows that most kung fu schools are just money making enterprises but somehow people search for "recognized" masters....LOL.

Yes, they exist, but you don't know them, and as I stated before, you would not know one if he fell on your head. You, just don't have a valid point of reference, you poor soul....but you want to know who taught me????? LOL

What you are going to check their Olympic Weight lifting credentials (somethiing that you seem to find so relevant for kung fu training) on the internet?



so he must be talking about training with other masters,
You have no clue.......


since he mentioned chow gar and lived here in the UK I would be interested in learning which of the master here in the UK he trained directly under Grandmaster Yip Shui, Master Yip Chee Keung paul whitrod......

First of all, why would you be interested? You don't practice kung fu, for all intents and purposes, to start with. Also, learning from a real deal master, does not guarantee that the person has actually learned anything. Even if the master in question is someone that, by some miracle, you "recognize"!

That is how it works even with real masters (obviously, you did not know that either). So, in the end you would have to rely on reading my posts to see wether I know what I am talking about, but then you couldn't do that either because you are hopelessly clueless when it comes to authentic kung fu training. So, why do you insist in running in circles?

Secondly, I did not train under the "recognized" masters that you named in your post!

So to conclude, why don't you run along to your weight lifting/BJJ/MMA classes and relevant threads, so as to "impress" the relevant people with whatever relevant knowledge you may have and stop coming here and looking stupid, by making unprovoked attacks, accompanied with slanders and lies, against my person. It is just making you look stupid, clueless and desperate!

Thanks in advance....:rolleyes:

[Frost]

My kung fu knowledge is in my posts and there are people here who recognize that, in the same vein, I don't need to know who your "masters" were to conclude that you are clueless regarding authentic kung fu training, IT IS ALL IN YOUR POSTS and that is why I don't ask you who they were! LOL



What would you know about "recognized" masters? You don't even practice kung fu....LOL

By the way, the world is full of "recognized" masters that the clueless like you would "recognize" who or whose students are ripping off the naive out of their hard earned cash. You probably have studied with one of these characters, hence your kung fu-cluelessness.....

You and people like you have no idea about authentic kung fu training. Everyone one knows that most kung fu schools are just money making enterprises but somehow people search for "recognized" masters....LOL.

Yes, they exist, but you don't know them, and as I stated before, you would not know one if he fell on your head. You, just don't have a valid point of reference, you poor soul....but you want to know who taught me????? LOL

What you are going to check their Olympic Weight lifting credentials (somethiing that you seem to find so relevant for kung fu training) on the internet?



You have no clue.......



First of all, why would be interested? You don't practice kung fu, for all intents and purposes, to start with. Also, learning from a real deal master, does not guarantee that the person has actually learned anything. Even if the master in question is someone that, by some miracle, you "recognize"!

That is how it works even with real masters (obviously, you did not know that either). So, in the end you would have to rely on reading my posts to see wether I know what I am talking about, but then you couldn't do that either because you are hopelessly clueless when it comes to authentic kung fu training. So, why do you insist in running in circles?

Secondly, I did not train under the "recognized" masters that you named in your post!

So to conclude, why don't you run along to your weight lifting/BJJ/MMA classes and relevant threads, so as to "impress" the relevant people with whatever relevant knowledge you may have and stop coming here and looking stupid, by making unprovoked attacks, accompanied with slanders and lies, against my person. It is just making you look stupid, clueless and desperate!

Thanks in advance....:rolleyes:

so the up shot is (and forgive me if i get this wrong your posts tend to put me to sleep) if we battle through all your insults and cr&p talking you have not trained with any recognised master in any mantis or wing chun lineage...ok glad we cleared that up:)

[goju]

whats with this sparten stuff i keep hearing you guys talk about?

[Hardwork108]

so the up shot is (and forgive me if i get this wrong your posts tend to put me to sleep)
Then work on your attention span!


if we battle through all your insults and cr&p talking
Insults? LOL..... Hey you and your fellow kung fu-clueless MMA buddies are the ones who initiate the INSULTS! Just look at this very thread, stop your vain attempts to pull the wool over people's eyes!



you have not trained with any recognised master in any mantis or wing chun lineage...
Not anyone "recognized" by the kung fu-clueless MMA knuckleheads who post in this forum. That is for sure!

As I said before, most of you would not recognize real kung fu or a real kung fu master, if he fell on your thick skulls.


ok glad we cleared that up:)
The high quality of my kung fu masters has been clear to me for a long time.

Now, you be a good boy and run along and sort out your insecurities and complexes, and stop initiating negativeness in threads where no one is talking to you!

[Frost]

whats with this sparten stuff i keep hearing you guys talk about?

his wing chun teacher now lives in the jungles of brazil reinacting the sparten live....

[Frost]

Then work on your attention span!


Insults? LOL..... Hey you and your fellow kung fu-clueless MMA buddies are the ones who initiate the INSULTS! Just look at this very thread, stop your vain attempts to pull the wool over people's eyes!



Not anyone "recognized" by the kung fu-clueless MMA knuckleheads who post in this forum. That is for sure!

As I said before, most of you would not recognize real kung fu or a real kung fu master, if he fell on your thick skulls.


The high quality of my kung fu masters has been clear to me for a long time.

Now, you be a good boy and run along and sort out your insecurities and complexes, and stop initiating negativeness in threads where no one is talking to you!

yep the high quality of your kung fu masters is evident by the content of your posts too :)

[Hardwork108]

his wing chun teacher now lives in the jungles of brazil reinacting the sparten live....
:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

yep the high quality of your kung fu masters is evident by the content of your posts too :)

Thank you for the compliment, but I will be honest and tell you that you are not qualified to make any comments as to their abilities, nor regarding the contents of my kung fu posts......

[Dragonzbane76]

Thank you for the compliment, but I will be honest and tell you that you are not qualified to make any comments as to their abilities, nor regarding the contents of my kung fu posts......

shows how stupid you are he was being sarcastic, and your not qualified to speak on any topic what so ever.

[Frost]

shows how stupid you are he was being sarcastic, and your not qualified to speak on any topic what so ever.

i think its best to leave him to his re runs of kung fu and let him larn from them:)

[sanjuro_ronin]

i need some help, im going to be starting at the Wing chun Kung fu next month, i want to know if anyone can give me any information on kung fu so i can be prepared, ive wanted to learn martail arts for awhile and i wanted to do kung fu but ive never donr it before.

i just want to be prepare with my mind and body because i know its going to be hard and im abit of a sensitive person, not fully sensitive but i really want to do this and i dont want to quit as soon as it gets hard.

im abit of a chubby guy, im 22 years old. all i want to know is how does the beginners course go, im going to this place

http://www.chingmo.com/

if any of you know this place and trained with them id like your opinion and anything you can prepare me for.

WC would probably NOT be my first choice, but since you made it you have to realize a few things.
MA training will vary from teacher to teacher, regardless of system.
Some may focus more on technique and less on physical conditioning, expecting YOU to get into shape on your own time and class time is for teaching, not getting into shape.
Others make physical condition the most important thing.
Some will put you sparring right away, others may take a very long time to do that.
Some will focus on drills and other on forms and some will be very hands on and others will leave you to figure it out yourself.
All methods have merits, but not all methods are right for all individuals.
WC may not be for you or it may be and a certain teacher may not be the right fit.
Be patient, allow yourself to be taught, BUT set goals for yourself and if they are not being met, be honest as to WHY they aren't and IF the trouble is you, fix that and IF the trouble is your teacher, fix that too.
Time is the only thing that you can NEVER get back, it is priceless and YOUR times is just as valuable as everyone elses.

[Hardwork108]

shows how stupid you are he was being sarcastic, and your not qualified to speak on any topic what so ever.

And I was being ironic!!!

Christ!!!!!

It is like conversing with "dumb and dumber".....LOL!

[Hardwork108]

i think its best to leave him to his re runs of kung fu and let him larn from them:)

Yes, it is best to "leave" me..... Your time will be better spent with Dragonzbane, so that you two can discuss the intricacies of "irony" and "sarcasm". However, take it easy in the beginning as we wouldn't want any of your heads to explode from the "intellectual" pressure.......:rolleyes:

[uki]

the first thing you must do is understand just what kung fu is... kung fu is time spent in energy - so if you're doing something(anything) make sure you do your best to spend your time in energy wisely and with the sincere intention to progress in whatever it is you decided to aquire kung fu in. :)

[uki]

how are you a tiger guy?? you seem to be a dragon guy... 22 in the year of the tiger makes you a possible dragon. :p

[Dragonzbane76]

And I was being ironic!!!
never can judge the amount of stupid you posses so I just go for the literal terminology when speaking with you.

[Northwind]

I'm just surprised to hear that Chin Woo is offering WC...

[m1k3]

OP (original poster), after reading through the walls of text, the back biting, the bitterness and plain bad manners you can see what years of training in Wing Chun can lead to.

Are you sure you want to go down this path? :confused:

[sanjuro_ronin]

OP (original poster), after reading through the walls of text, the back biting, the bitterness and plain bad manners you can see what years of training in Wing Chun can lead to.

Are you sure you want to go down this path? :confused:

Quoted for the truth !

[Triax]

Sorry for budding into this argument (rather unrelated to this thread I think..)..but since I may just be starting out today I wanted to know how it went, tigerguy? Thanks.

[Hardwork108]

never can judge the amount of stupid you posses so I just go for the literal terminology when speaking with you.

I see that you are still confused and trying to figure it out, and good luck to you, but do it somewhere else as this is a Wing Chun thread and you do not practice authentic kung fu, let alone Wing Chun!

Thanks in advance.:)

[Hardwork108]

OP (original poster), after reading through the walls of text, the back biting, the bitterness and plain bad manners you can see what years of training in Wing Chun can lead to.

Are you sure you want to go down this path? :confused:

The trouble always starts with clueless MMA-ists who frequent these forums and stalk any genuine kung fu practitioner who shows their cluelessness. Just have a look at how the argument started in this thread.....

Please don't blame Wing Chun or its practitioners, Dragonzbane who is the forum stalker is flaming his own personal issues, rising among other things, from his cluelessness when it comes to genuine kung fu training.

As for Sanjuro, then he should have known better then to support your statement....

[KC Elbows]

John Waters would envy all the man attention Hardwork gets around here.

[m1k3]

HW108, you are one of the major contributors to this mess. In fact you are probably the biggest 'wall of text poster' on the forum. You do a pretty good job of being petty and back biting as well. So is this due to your Kung Fu training or is it a failure of your Kung Fu training?:confused:

[Wayfaring]

The trouble always starts with clueless MMA-ists who frequent these forums and stalk any genuine kung fu practitioner who shows their cluelessness.

It's just that the degree of cluelessness is much higher for some posters than others. For example, Hardwork108's cluelessness quotient is 93.7% - that's the percentage of how often his posts are clueless.


Please don't blame Wing Chun or its practitioners, Dragonzbane who is the forum stalker is flaming his own personal issues, rising among other things, from his cluelessness when it comes to genuine kung fu training.

As for Sanjuro, then he should have known better then to support your statement....
We all just love it around here when you say "genuine kung fu training (TM)". In fact I just automatically add the trademark symbol in whenever you're talking.

[KC Elbows]

HW108, you are one of the major contributors to this mess. In fact you are probably the biggest 'wall of text poster' on the forum. You do a pretty good job of being petty and back biting as well. So is this due to your Kung Fu training or is it a failure of your Kung Fu training?:confused:

It's funny how his 'mess' requires others to follow him and feed it all. Amazing level of mind control. He is clearly the whole problem.;):D

[m1k3]

It's funny how his 'mess' requires others to follow him and feed it all. Amazing level of mind control. He is clearly the whole problem.;):D

Hardly, but he doesn't mind pointing out the people who he thinks are problems.

[Triax]

I was hoping for a response from tigerguy..perhaps the arguing scared him off. Should I bother looking through these forums or are they all ****ing matches? I was hoping to learn something. :(

[KC Elbows]

I was hoping for a response from tigerguy..perhaps the arguing scared him off. Should I bother looking through these forums or are they all ****ing matches? I was hoping to learn something. :(

There's useful stuff on the forum. The ****ing matches are mostly people who can't stop following some member around to argue, they're a small minority, and mostly get confined to a thread or two at a time.

[KC Elbows]

Hardly, but he doesn't mind pointing out the people who he thinks are problems.

Especially when they choose to follow him.

In fighting, it's not smart to respond to every feint. On the internet, people do and think they're doing a service.

[Triax]

Apologies on what seems to be considered a four lettered word...I hope this thread returns to the point. :o

[KC Elbows]

I'm not a wing chun guy, but my advice is, no matter what style you do, work hard on being able to apply the techniques(i.e. don't expect doing the technique on your own is enough), be open to practicing with people from diverse styles in order to refine what it is you do, don't balk at hard work, don't feel bad at being a beginner(just keep working), don't let anyone, teache3r or not, waste your time talking about how their style is the best, and don't ever get involved in inter-school politics.

The biggest waste of time, and it happens in all schools, is talk about other people , styles, and schools. Others, even in good schools, may fall for it: you shouldn't. Be humble, but work towards constantly progressing.

[Dragonzbane76]

honestly i just like jabbing at him... it's fun... he's gets all flustered and uppity. Everyone knows he's a dumb a$$ I don't have to prove it or anything. I get along with every other person on this board. I disagree with a lot of them but
HW8 is such a dumb idiot that I can't resist. He has to post back always, i find it funny that's all. :o Just a kid with a stick poking the jelly fish. :D

[KC Elbows]

honestly i just like jabbing at him... it's fun... he's gets all flustered and uppity. Everyone knows he's a dumb a$$ I don't have to prove it or anything. I get along with every other person on this board. I disagree with a lot of them but
HW8 is such a dumb idiot that I can't resist. He has to post back always, i find it funny that's all. :o Just a kid with a stick poking the jelly fish. :D

It's never occured to you that he posts to incite you to post?

Amateur.:D

[Dragonzbane76]

eh it's all good fun. :)

[Hardwork108]

honestly i just like jabbing at him... it's fun... he's gets all flustered and uppity. Everyone knows he's a dumb a$$ I don't have to prove it or anything. I get along with every other person on this board. I disagree with a lot of them but
HW8 is such a dumb idiot that I can't resist. He has to post back always, i find it funny that's all. :o Just a kid with a stick poking the jelly fish. :D
:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

eh it's all good fun. :)

You really should get a life.......LOL!

[Hardwork108]

It's just that the degree of cluelessness is much higher for some posters than others. For example, Hardwork108's cluelessness quotient is 93.7% - that's the percentage of how often his posts are clueless.
You and people like Dragonzbane should stop bringing "old baggage" into new threads. I doubt that any of you even have any genuine kung fu experience and yet you take exception when someone tells that to your face!


We all just love it around here when you say "genuine kung fu training (TM)". In fact I just automatically add the trademark symbol in whenever you're talking.

This is how it works, you either train genuine kung fu or you don't!

If you are posting in a Kung Fu forum then you darn well should have a base of reference when it comes to genuine TCMA methodologies. If you don't have that knowledge then you should be asking polite questions in that regard and interacting respectfully with those forum members who have that knowledge.

However, if some people come here and tell us all on how we should improve our kung fu training by adding Muay Thai, BJJ, MMA, and etc. then they shouldn't mind if someone points out their lack of TCMA understanding, in an honest and non-BS manner, and if the truth hurts, then so be it!

It is as simple as that!

Thank you for your time.:)

[Hardwork108]

KC Elbows,

Thanks for seeing the big picture, talking sanity and showing this phenomenon for what it is, which is a bunch of kung fu-clueless "sore butts" stalking me all over the forum, seeking "revenge" because I showed them to be clueless about a given aspect of traditional kung fu (or even world politics, as the case may be), on some other thread, in the past!

I really think that some of these guys need to get a life and/or get laid more often....LOL

[Hardwork108]

I'm not a wing chun guy, but my advice is, no matter what style you do, work hard on being able to apply the techniques(i.e. don't expect doing the technique on your own is enough), be open to practicing with people from diverse styles in order to refine what it is you do, don't balk at hard work, don't feel bad at being a beginner(just keep working), don't let anyone, teache3r or not, waste your time talking about how their style is the best, and don't ever get involved in inter-school politics.

The biggest waste of time, and it happens in all schools, is talk about other people , styles, and schools. Others, even in good schools, may fall for it: you shouldn't. Be humble, but work towards constantly progressing.

I believe, together with this post, there is a lot of great advice in this thread for Tigerguy.

I hope he works hard, keeps an inquisitive mind and has a great kung fu path.:)

[Dragonzbane76]

You really should get a life.......LOL!

have a great one thanks.

[uki]

have a great one thanks.what does it cost you? :p

[taai gihk yahn]

I was hoping for a response from tigerguy..perhaps the arguing scared him off. Should I bother looking through these forums or are they all ****ing matches? I was hoping to learn something. :(
LOL, I think that you just DID!

[Dragonzbane76]

what does it cost you?

everything and nothing. :)

[SevenStar]

Kung Fu or any other martial art will NOT burn a significant number of calories or get you in hard condition. It's great for all kinds of stuff that you can't see with the naked eye. Speed, coordination, reflexes, chi, ging, etc. But if you think that you'll lose tons of weight and get rock hard like Bruce Lee just form Kung Fu, you are badly mistaken. Unfortunately, most traditional martial arts guys don't take conditioning very seriously and that's one of the main reasons why a lot of them suck so badly. A lot of traditional guys seem to be full of sour grapes when talking about guys who spend lots of time with conditioning. When is it ever an advantage to be fat? I don't care if you say your chi and ging are really good, being in shape is always better than not being in shape. Don't listen to the fatasses. If you want to be the best you can be, You MUST work hard on aerobic conditioning, flexibility, and strength training.

When I first started longfist, I witnessed a guy who lost 65lbs in a year doing nothing but training and changing his diet. That said, we did plenty of calesthenics and conditioning.