Fedor: I Don't train Jiu Jitsu, Sambo Is Superior

[Ultimatewingchun]

http://steverattlesnake.cliquezone.com/2010/07/fedor-i-dont-train-jiu-jitsu-sambo-is-superior/

In a translation written by youtuber BuilDozerrrr in reference to Fedor Emelianenko’s interview after the stunning loss to top 10 ranked fighter and former ADCC champion Fabricio Werdum, Fedor speaks about how he feels towards the fight:


Fedor, how do you feel?
Good, don’t feel anything special.

We, the fans, feel for you.
Thank you.

On the possible rematch with Werdum:
If Fabricio Werdum agrees on a rematch, of course I would like to have one. I became the victim of my own mistakes. Things like that happen.

Did you prepare yourself in the discipline of Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Do you think that it was a mistake that you did not bring a BJJ specialist to train with?
No. I don’t train Ju Jitsu at all. I train in Sambo. Sambo is a superior fighting/grappling system. That night it was my own mistake that caused the loss (not a mistake made in training & preparation). I was overconfident.

About the date of the rematch:
I would be glad to take the rematch at any time. But this is a question for Vadim and Strikeforce.
I do not take these decisions myself.

[Ultimatewingchun]

...who said this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tcm7osY6IE&feature=related

[Dragonzbane76]

a lot can be lost in translation you know. Not saying he didn't say that, but the small things that make you understand something one way and if you rearrange them a little different they make it sound like something else.

Just throwing that out there.

[Shaolin]

Is it just me or does it seem that after every Strikeforce venue we come away with "rematch" talks. Is their talent pool that shallow? Or is it their comentators are that undereducated in MMA that the only intelligent sounding question they can conjure up is to ask the athletes about a rematch?

[Lucas]

dont forget national pride, im sure many brazillians would say the exact opposite.

[Frost]

http://steverattlesnake.cliquezone.com/2010/07/fedor-i-dont-train-jiu-jitsu-sambo-is-superior/

In a translation written by youtuber BuilDozerrrr in reference to Fedor Emelianenko’s interview after the stunning loss to top 10 ranked fighter and former ADCC champion Fabricio Werdum, Fedor speaks about how he feels towards the fight:


Fedor, how do you feel?
Good, don’t feel anything special.

We, the fans, feel for you.
Thank you.

On the possible rematch with Werdum:
If Fabricio Werdum agrees on a rematch, of course I would like to have one. I became the victim of my own mistakes. Things like that happen.

Did you prepare yourself in the discipline of Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Do you think that it was a mistake that you did not bring a BJJ specialist to train with?
No. I don’t train Ju Jitsu at all. I train in Sambo. Sambo is a superior fighting/grappling system. That night it was my own mistake that caused the loss (not a mistake made in training & preparation). I was overconfident.

About the date of the rematch:
I would be glad to take the rematch at any time. But this is a question for Vadim and Strikeforce.
I do not take these decisions myself.

two questions, apart from fedor name me two other world class sambo MMA guys....
and did you see how easily that triangle was put on?

i love fedor but if sambo is better than BJJ then where are all the other russians tearing it up in MMA...

[Frost]

...who said this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tcm7osY6IE&feature=related

some good points fedor needs to train against BJJ as he did in pride

[goju]

two questions, apart from fedor name me two other world class sambo MMA guys....
and did you see how easily that triangle was put on?

i love fedor but if sambo is better than BJJ then where are all the other russians tearing it up in MMA...

why does this matter? the man doesnt train in bjj because he doesnt see the use for it and hes become a fantastic grappler with out so who is anyone to argue?

No one can reason that if he knew bjj he woudlnt have got triangled as the submission isnt unique to the art

[Hebrew Hammer]

Is it just me or does it seem that after every Strikeforce venue we come away with "rematch" talks. Is their talent pool that shallow? Or is it their comentators are that undereducated in MMA that the only intelligent sounding question they can conjure up is to ask the athletes about a rematch?

Their talent pool is that small.

[Ultimatewingchun]

some good points fedor needs to train against BJJ as he did in pride

***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

And why not a rematch with Verdum?

As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.

[Frost]

why does this matter? the man doesnt train in bjj because he doesnt see the use for it and hes become a fantastic grappler with out so who is anyone to argue?

No one can reason that if he knew bjj he woudlnt have got triangled as the submission isnt unique to the art

because if sambo was such a superior grappling form it would be dominating MMA not to mention ADCC (the premier no gi competition on the planet) the fact that it does not dominate in MMA and never places in ADCC suggests that it is not the superior form of grappling out there...feel free to argue but the fact that fedor is an excellent grappler but none of his team mates are at the same level suggests its down to him and not the style

actually the guard is so far advanced in BJJ compared to sambo or even judo, that he needs to train against a great BJJ player in order to understand how a world class BJJ guy sets it up and hold position (escaping a good guys triangle is one thing, escaping a world class one is another all together)

its just common sense, just as he would train against the best wrestlers around if he was fighting a greco guy he should do the same if he is going to fight a world class BJJ guy

[Frost]

***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

And why not a rematch with Verdum?

As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.

sorry but Barnett is not above overeem let alone the HWs in the UFC.

He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good, fedor is not simple and i never suggested it, what he was was sloppy. He has trained his stand up the last few fights and thought his past grappling expereince would be enough against a world class ground guy...he was obviously very very wrong

so sambo is superior because it teaches more things and doesnt cover then as in depth....right thats a good arguement right there:rolleyes:

sambos ground work is simply not on a par with BJJ especially when it comes to the guard, its rules etc mean the guard isnt that well used etc

if it was superior it would be winning all the time in ADCC (a no gi platform that has rules which favour no style and which BJJ cleans up in year after year) the fact that fedor is the only sambo trained guy in the top of any weight catagory speaks volumes about the art

[Ultimatewingchun]

"He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good..."
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***COMPLETE BULL5HIT.

Wrong about Nog...and wrong about the level of grappling within Sambo.

God, you really are a total nut hugger - aren't you? :rolleyes:

[Frost]

"He had little fear of it because he has never faced that level of grappling before, not even Nog was that good..."
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***COMPLETE BULL5HIT.

Wrong about Nog...and wrong about the level of grappling within Sambo.

God, you really are a total nut hugger - aren't you? :rolleyes:

ADCC record:
-ADCC 2007 over 99 Kg: 1st place
-ADCC 2005 over 99 Kg: 3rd place
-ADCC 2003 over 99 kg: 2nd place
-ADCC 2003 Absolute: 3rd place
BJJ record:
- World Jiu Jitsu Champion 2004
- World Jiu Jitsu Champion 2003
- World JJ Champion 2000 (weight and absolute)
- World Jiu Jitsu Cup Champion 2004
- 3 times Panamerican JJ Champion (2000, 2001, 2002)
- 5 times European Champion (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003)
- US Open 2003 Champion

Nogs grappling record

ADCC World Submission Wrestling Championships
2000 ADCC - 99kg+: Quarter finals
CBJJ World Championships
1999 Black Belt Absoluto: 3rd Place
1997 Purple Belt Pesadissimo: 2nd place

here i made it easy for you which of the above is the better pure grappler.....


ANd of course fedor has faced lots of adcc and BJJ worlds champions:rolleyes:

do you know what ADCC is victor, its the premier no gi grappling comp in the world (no gi so BJJ guys cant use the gi) and its format is just about the fairest there is to judge skills across all disciplines

And if i am wrong about the level in sambo then please tell me outside the former soviet union how many countries compete in it and at what level, and how many sambo guys have cleaned house in ADCC or any other no gi tournement?

its a good art but its rules have led to the guard not being as developed as in BJJ just as it has better takedowns than BJJ:rolleyes:
in order to beat a world class fighter you have to train against other world class fighters in that art...how the f&ck is that nut riding you idiot?

[monji112000]

***IN MY OPINION, these two (Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett) are the two best heavyweights out there.

And as for "how easily" he got caught in the triangle...I think it's pretty obvious that he has little fear of it - and with good reason - as Barnett explained why. But this time Fedor got sloppy and overconfident about it.

He may appear to be a bit simple; but in truth, he's one smart dude who just lives a simple life. And good for him.

Yeah, bringing someone into camp with leg long legs and a good triangle would have been the best thing to do when training for a fight with a guy like Verdum - but that's water under the bridge - until the next time.

Which is a long way from saying that he "should train in Bjj." He's doing just fine with his Sambo. As for the "superiority" remark - he's right...since Sambo teaches the whole nine: Standup/Clinch/Ground.

The Bjj standup is what, exactly?

And he's still the best fighter in the world, imo.

And why not a rematch with Verdum?

As for talent pools and what I said earlier, they've got to get Barnett back into the picture.

That's a match I'd buy ppv to see: Fedor vs. Barnett.

So Fedor is one of the best grapplers in the world right? ok So what tittles in a all grappling tournament is he world champion of? What about Josh? There was talk between Fedor and Adcc to have him fight but that fell through (money wasn't good enough I hear).

What takedowns does BJJ have ? Well most bjj world champions train with high level wrestlers (that doesn't mean they are elite wrestlers) or Judo fighters. What takedowns do Catch fighters have again?? not freestyle or greco roman takedowns but "catch" exclusive takedowns..? the argument is moronic because everyone is training with everyone and evolving (everyone but fedor).

There is not grappling style that is better at escaping submissions and passing the guard that BJJ. Fact . That was his two big mistakes in the fight.. and well the fact that he chooses to not learn and evolve .. is sad. Sambo is allot to offer but not in those categories (no disrespect to anyone). Its best to learn from people who specialize in what you are trying to do.. I'm not going to go to a Wing Chun School to learn how to fight standup MMA.. ( I love wing chun but thats just not smart)

Victor have you even trained with a Sambo fighter? They are amazing a few things, but like Judokas they suck (not always but often) at two specific areas: guard passing (and guard playing) and submissions escaping..

my guess as so that statement about training with BJJ people , its more related to the fact that he is trying to make money. I hear he is working on getting some "fedor combat Sambo" gyms in a few cities in the US.. People really don't realize how much Fedor is a business man.

[goju]

because if sambo was such a superior grappling form it would be dominating MMA not to mention ADCC

I believe fedor cares what he is doing with sambo more so than anyone else


actually the guard is so far advanced in BJJ compared to sambo or even judo, that he needs to train against a great BJJ player in order to understand how a world class BJJ guy sets it up and hold position (escaping a good guys triangle is one thing, escaping a world class one is another all together)

its just common sense, just as he would train against the best wrestlers around if he was fighting a greco guy he should do the same if he is going to fight a world class BJJ guy

theres no need to blow things out of proportion. he got caught with a basic triangle submission you see all the time. one loss in all these years doesnt mean he needs to slip on a bjj gi anytime soon

[Frost]

I believe fedor cares what he is doing with sambo more so than anyone else



theres no need to blow things out of proportion. he got caught with a basic triangle submission you see all the time. one loss in all these years doesnt mean he needs to slip on a bjj gi anytime soon

yes you see them all the time, thats the whole point with BJJ and what people dont seem to get alot, the higher belts dont know lots of subs the lower belts dont know, what they know is how to set up the basics and put then on so cleanly and tight that escape is hard if not impossible.

for example knifefighter is a blackbelt, i am probably a blue or purple (i do no gi so dont have a belt) the difference between us is not that he knows alot more subs than i do, the difference is he can setp up the basics so well and apply them with such good timing and skill that there is almost no room for escape or reversal.

I once watched braulo estima at a seminar roll and tap person after person with a helicopter sweep to arm bar, they knew what was coming, had traned against it, but had never had someone with HIS skill do it to them and they were all powerless to stop it


that was fedors mistake, yes he knew now to escape a basic triangle but had not treid to escape a world class grapplers triangle and when he did he found it impossible to do

[Ultimatewingchun]

"So Fedor is one of the best grapplers in the world right? ok So what titles in a all grappling tournament is he world champion of?"
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***WHO GIVES A 5HIT?

Not me. I'm most interested in who wins fights - not sport competitions that don't include striking (if they're wrestling/grappling based)....and that don't include wrestling/grappling...(if they're striking based).

Do you guys dispute that mma is THE most advanced form of martial arts/fighting arts that exist in the world today?

Precisely because it most closely parallels real fighting.

Do you dispute that?

I think not.

[SoCo KungFu]

To be fair, while BJJ is the better grappling art, there is a lot of stuff that isn't as applicable in MMA. At least not on a frequent basis. I love BJJ, its the majority of my grappling. But its not really necessary (or even beneficial for that matter) to have 85.7 different ways to pass guard. Having a ton of technical passes is nice, but a lot of times punching someone in the face repeatedly does just as well, if not better. Same with subs, of course the more versed you are the more likelihood you will have something to use. But while I'm not sure on the statistics, I'd be willing to say 90% of subs come from Armbar, Triangle, RNC, Kimura.

[Frost]

"So Fedor is one of the best grapplers in the world right? ok So what titles in a all grappling tournament is he world champion of?"
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***WHO GIVES A 5HIT?

Not me. I'm most interested in who wins fights - not sport competitions that don't include striking (if they're wrestling/grappling based)....and that don't include wrestling/grappling...(if they're striking based).

Do you guys dispute that mma is THE most advanced form of martial arts/fighting arts that exist in the world today?

Precisely because it most closely parallels real fighting.

Do you dispute that?

I think not.

and this is why you suck at grappling and neither you nor any or your students will ever compete in grappling or MMA:rolleyes:

Why do you think all the top MMA guys train and for the most part compete or have competed in grappling without strikes...and why do you think the best stand up guys have competed in stand up only events and still train stand up only, grappling only and then combine then in an MMA format...why do you thin k that is Victor....

dont worry i dont actually expect you to answer the question i expect you to do what you normally do when faced with inteligent questions...either start swearing or just not bother replying other than to call people nutt riders:rolleyes:

[Frost]

To be fair, while BJJ is the better grappling art, there is a lot of stuff that isn't as applicable in MMA. At least not on a frequent basis. I love BJJ, its the majority of my grappling. But its not really necessary (or even beneficial for that matter) to have 85.7 different ways to pass guard. Having a ton of technical passes is nice, but a lot of times punching someone in the face repeatedly does just as well, if not better. Same with subs, of course the more versed you are the more likelihood you will have something to use. But while I'm not sure on the statistics, I'd be willing to say 90% of subs come from Armbar, Triangle, RNC, Kimura.

you are right on all counts, but its never about the submission its about how its set up and applied (as i am sure you know but others dont seem to realise) escaping a blue belts triangle/arm bar and escaping a brown belts are two totally different things and you need to train against the best if you are going to be fighting them, and to become really good you need to do both , hours of rolling with and without strikes

Of course the venue is different but the skills you bring, the knowledge of the escapes, counters and passes are vital, which is why all the top guys train/compete and roll without strikes, you simply HAVE to do this in order to build up the hours of grappling experience (then you add the strikes in and spar full MMA rules)

its the same with stand up, there are things in boxing and thai you will NOT do in MMA, but you still need to put the hours in doing pure stand up (if you just start off doing MMA it is too tempting to just take the fight down to the ground and you never learn the real art of stand up)

[jmd161]

that was fedors mistake, yes he knew now to escape a basic triangle but had not treid to escape a world class grapplers triangle and when he did he found it impossible to do

I don't think that was the case at all... I think it's more along the lines of what he said. He basically got arrogant didn't respect the triangle and allowed Werdum (sp?) to lock it in good. At that point there was no escaping...

[monji112000]

"So Fedor is one of the best grapplers in the world right? ok So what titles in a all grappling tournament is he world champion of?"
.................................

***WHO GIVES A 5HIT?

Not me. I'm most interested in who wins fights - not sport competitions that don't include striking (if they're wrestling/grappling based)....and that don't include wrestling/grappling...(if they're striking based).

Do you guys dispute that mma is THE most advanced form of martial arts/fighting arts that exist in the world today?

Precisely because it most closely parallels real fighting.

Do you dispute that?

I think not.

Oh I was under the impression you said best grappler not MMA fighter, wait thats what you typed..

Grappler = Grappling

MMA = mma

Kickboxing = Kickboxing

boxing = boxing

Grappling != MMA

MMA != grappling
ect..

world class grapplers have tried mma and failed miserably and the reverse is also true.

Outside of Combat Sambo what events Has Fedor competed at a world class level in any open grappling tournament (gi or no gi) and won or even almost win?

None

Fedor is probably one of the best MMA fighters in the world, but yet again Victor my friend you have shown you have no idea what your talking about.

Sambo has some great takedowns, and some really interesting gi grips, Very devastating leg locks and basic submission attacks... they do not have amazing submission defenses and guard passes as is shown in Fedors last fight. Wake up, stop riding his nut sack, and just admit the guy who everyone in the world says is the best isn't perfect at a few areas of MMA.

Some of the most interesting and best passes I have seen were simple, and effective.. Yes the getting punched in the face factor exists but that can mask bad technique. Case in point Fedors guard passing. Great at punching people and devastating them.. but thats not a competent guard pass.

MMA isn't a form of martial art fighting its a set of rules for sport fighting it is not grappling. Just like its not pure boxing or kickboxing. The best of each area in the world may not do very well in MMA and the best MMA fighters may not have a chance in the Ring with the Top Boxer or Muy Thai fighter in the world currently.

[Ultimatewingchun]

"and this is why you suck at grappling and neither you nor any or your students will ever compete in grappling or MMA"
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***AND this is why arrogant guys like you (and monji, and some others) are a complete waste of time to talk to internet forums like this. You don't know 5hit about what me or my students can do - so you guess.

And any hint that bjj might not be the end-all-and-be-all...and insecure little girls like you get all hussy about it.

You can't refute what's being said - so you talk trash.

What a waste of people's time guys like you are. :cool:

[monji112000]

"and this is why you suck at grappling and neither you nor any or your students will ever compete in grappling or MMA"
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***AND this is why arrogant guys like you (and monji, and some others) are a complete waste of time to talk to internet forums like this. You don't know 5hit about what me or my students can do - so you guess.

And any hint that bjj might not be the end-all-and-be-all...and insecure little girls like you get all hussy about it.

You can't refute what's being said - so you talk trash.

What a waste of people's time guys like you are. :cool:

:D I refuted everything you said, and I continue to have a open mind about martial arts.

Sorry.