Keeping students long term as opposed to the short term

[MysteriousPower]

I would like to argue here that tcma teachers teach the way they do because they can keep students longer. Some have argued that this is because they want to test the integrity of the student before teaching them the 'real' stuff. Some have argued that this is the way they get money out of students to pay the bills while teaching some students the so called real deal. I do not personally feel the exact reasons matter.

Schools that are combat oriented teach students to do things under pressure early on. TCMA schools have students drill basics for months(years in some cases) telling them they are training for street defense. Pressure testing will weed out many students early on due to mental fatigue, physical fatigue, scaring people, and injury. Having students drill basics in the air, do forms, two man forms, one step sparring, patterned footwork drills, sensitivity drills, rooting, etc, is safer than having them spar. Also so called traditional training is better for older people who do not have the stamina and healing power of their younger counterparts.

Do teachers here that teach combat(sport, whatever) oriented martial arts have issues with keeping students long term? I have seen people quit tcma schools due to boredom, repetitive curriculums, and not feeling they are getting better which is probably due more to lack of pressure testing than anything else.

Should a school have separate classes for students who want to train in either?

Should a school teach both kinds of curriculums side by side? The only issue with this is time management. How much can you fit into one class? Personally, I believe this is the best option because it will wet everyones' appetites and you can personally tailor routines for people.

Are there huge insurance risks in schools that have medium to full contact sparring?

Do you find that students get scared away by the 'tough' training or does it draw them?

[HumbleWCGuy]

Some teach that way because they want to keep students and others teach that way because that is all that they know. It is hard to run a school for money and basically tell people that they have no hope of becoming an instructor or moving up in the ranks without getting their heads knocked.

[HumbleWCGuy]

IMO Ip Man is a good example of somebody who did both. He gave people the real deal like Duncan Leung and probably a few others and then their are guys who really didn't get much and it shows on down the line.

[MysteriousPower]

Some teach that way because they want to keep students and others teach that way because that is all that they know. It is hard to run a school for money and basically tell people that they have no hope of becoming an instructor or moving up in the ranks without getting their heads knocked.


This is a good point. Teachers teach how they were taught but not necessarily how they acquired their skills. Some traditional teachers are against cross training or rather training at other schools. Students might like the other stuff so much they stop doing what Teacher A is teaching. Then the student starts talking about techniques drills from the other school to students of the first school causing all kinds of commotion. But often, Teacher A trained at many schools and with many different people to get where he is. Now the threat of lost income or the threat of students doing the other school's practices eats away at Teacher A's mind in a way he did not consider when he was younger.

[MysteriousPower]

You are a wing chun guy. Go back to the wing chun forum!









Just kidding. It is just funny because you have wc in your name.

[bawang]

dont teach for greed and all of this wouldnt matter. if u wanna make money open a restarurant

[MysteriousPower]

dont teach for greed and all of this wouldnt matter. if u wanna make money open a restarurant

I do not think that most tcma teachers make a good profit from teaching.

[bawang]

then why worry about keeping students? in the past 2 to 3 students is enough. of course its about money. no students no money.
u get 100 students form factory, they dont really know you, they dont care about you, you dnt care about them, they learn your forms get bored, theyll obviously move on.

you want a big school, you need to build a cult of personality. no charisma no success. you cant woo students by showing them how enlightened your martial art is.

[MysteriousPower]

then why worry about keeping students? in the past 2 to 3 students is enough.
u get 100 students form factory, they dont really know you, they dont care about you, you dnt care about them, they learn your forms get bored, theyll obviously move on.

If a teacher decides to rent a space he has to pay rent and utilities on it. He may want a lot of crappy students so he can get the few good ones. Some people teach out of parks or garages but honestly this is a little bit ghetto. In the parks people stare at you and the sun is always out. In the winter you cannot train in the park or the garage because it will be too darn cold. If you actually want students to come and train I believe you need a location or otherwise you are always searching for a place to work out.

This week: My kitchen. My little kids and dog will be running around interrupting us but atleast there is not overhead.

Next week: The park. Hopefully it does not rain. And anyway the fresh air will help build good qi.

Week after that: My kitchen again but my wife will be cooking many smelly dishes and making lots of noise. It will be good for your kung fu to ignore these obstacles and train. Please make sure to respectfully greet my wife so she will allow us back next week.



GHETTO

[MysteriousPower]

I mentioned that most tcma do not make a profit teaching kung fu...but that does not mean they are not trying to with what they have got. They all WANT to make a profit but I am not sure that it works out that way for most of them.

[bawang]

If a teacher decides to rent a space he has to pay rent and utilities on it. He may want a lot of crappy students so he can get the few good ones. Some people teach out of parks or garages but honestly this is a little bit ghetto. In the parks people stare at you and the sun is always out. In the winter you cannot train in the park or the garage because it will be too darn cold. If you actually want students to come and train I believe you need a location or otherwise you are always searching for a place to work out.

This week: My kitchen. My little kids and dog will be running around interrupting us but atleast there is not overhead.

Next week: The park. Hopefully it does not rain. And anyway the fresh air will help build good qi.

Week after that: My kitchen again but my wife will be cooking many smelly dishes and making lots of noise. It will be good for your kung fu to ignore these obstacles and train. Please make sure to respectfully greet my wife so she will allow us back next week.

GHETTO
why not give your students blowjobs? thatll make a lot of monies. increase school profit 1000%
you teach a poor mans art but make fun of poor people. im confuse.

you commit 1: betraying the teachers by making fun of kungfu's root in poverty 2: fraud by repackaging poor people culture as refined exotic eastern mystical culture 3. unpatriotism by looking down at fellow americans who have less money 4. ice cold white commercialism by looking down on the way kung fu has always been taught; on a personal level 5. cultural thief by trying to allign poor chinese culture into suburb middledclass culture 6. violate the wude/mo dak by mocking the poor 7. proving urself an outsider who does not understand immigrant culture


They all WANT to make a profit but I am not sure that it works out that way for most of them.

do some forms. spar and hit bags. some pushus.
you deserve how much money for that? 50k a year? 100k maybe? dream on

kung fu made money in the 70s because of bruce lee fad. that fad is over. if u want to make money teach mma.

[HumbleWCGuy]

This is a good point. Teachers teach how they were taught but not necessarily how they acquired their skills. Some traditional teachers are against cross training or rather training at other schools. Students might like the other stuff so much they stop doing what Teacher A is teaching. Then the student starts talking about techniques drills from the other school to students of the first school causing all kinds of commotion. But often, Teacher A trained at many schools and with many different people to get where he is. Now the threat of lost income or the threat of students doing the other school's practices eats away at Teacher A's mind in a way he did not consider when he was younger.

Resistance to cross-training is a clear sign that someone is about money.

[bawang]

real money today is in mma. go take some gracie seminars and get a certificate

[hskwarrior]

Originally Posted by MysteriousPower :

Some people teach out of parks or garages but honestly this is a little bit ghetto.

I love this type of mentality. It makes me laugh harder than i do most days. I teach now out of my garage and from time to time in the park. I don't have rent to pay, so when a commercial school has to close down due to having low attendance in their schools due to the financial crisis....i WILL NOT have to close down.

Now....GHETTO? is there something wrong with the GHETTO? please tell me you are not the type to look down on those who have to live and survive in the ghetto. one thing is for sure, if you never grew up in the ghetto, you'd be eaten up by the ghetto. the ghetto is where the STRONG are born.

either way....be it a park, garage, or back alley......i can still produce students equally as good as anyone's or even better.

NOT SORRY, but this is my opinion.

[MysteriousPower]

I was not talking about you or anyone in particular so you should not take offense.

I would not train in someone's garage and that is my preference.

Do I look down on people in the ghetto? I look up to the people who leave
the ghetto to make a better life for themselves. We are not really going to get into this are we? "Ghetto" is a slang for many negative things but the slang is not directly linked to ghettos or people living in them.

[hskwarrior]

I would not train in someone's garage and that is my preference.

I'd just like to understand you. care to expound on this?


Do I look down on people in the ghetto? I look up to the people who leave
the ghetto to make a better life for themselves. We are not really going to get into this are we? "Ghetto" is a slang for many negative things but the slang is not directly linked to ghettos or people living in them.
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The answer to the question lay in the method (words you choose to use) you try to explain yourself. i'm getting a clear pic. its all good.

[Jimbo]

I no longer teach, but I did for four years, and it was in a park. It was a small group, started with 3 students, went up to 7 for a good period, then back down to the original 3. Sure, training in the park is not for everyone, but for some that's what they've got. You can either make the best of it or you can't. A facility with all the amenities is great, but in the end it comes down to the quality of the instruction, and the teacher and his students. My group stayed pretty consistent throughout that time. Yeah, it's hot in the summer and cold in the winter (we were right facing the ocean). During their time with me, they compared very well with studio-trained students.

It was a good way to decide if teaching was something I really wanted to pursue, without the commitment of trying to open a school. MA schools open all the time, and also close all the time, too. Lots of new schools never last even two years, let alone four. In the end, it turned out that being a professional teacher wasn't what I really wanted, so when we disbanded, there were no financial hardships to suffer. Some of my students decided they got what they needed from MA from our time together; others moved on; I even gave my approval for one to study under another CLF teacher.

Training in a park, we had to deal with all kinds of things; heat, cold, wind, fog, darkness (at night we used camping lanterns), transporting training gear, etc. Occasional but rare gawkers. Only rarely was class canceled due to rain. Some other people besides the group of 7 came and went; that's fine with me. Training outside isn't everyone's cup of tea.

[ManilaCrane]

I no longer teach, but I did for four years, and it was in a park. It was a small group, started with 3 students, went up to 7 for a good period, then back down to the original 3. Sure, training in the park is not for everyone, but for some that's what they've got. You can either make the best of it or you can't. A facility with all the amenities is great, but in the end it comes down to the quality of the instruction, and the teacher and his students. My group stayed pretty consistent throughout that time. Yeah, it's hot in the summer and cold in the winter (we were right facing the ocean). During their time with me, they compared very well with studio-trained students.

It was a good way to decide if teaching was something I really wanted to pursue, without the commitment of trying to open a school. MA schools open all the time, and also close all the time, too. Lots of new schools never last even two years, let alone four. In the end, it turned out that being a professional teacher wasn't what I really wanted, so when we disbanded, there were no financial hardships to suffer. Some of my students decided they got what they needed from MA from our time together; others moved on; I even gave my approval for one to study under another CLF teacher.

Training in a park, we had to deal with all kinds of things; heat, cold, wind, fog, darkness (at night we used camping lanterns), transporting training gear, etc. Occasional but rare gawkers. Only rarely was class canceled due to rain. Some other people besides the group of 7 came and went; that's fine with me. Training outside isn't everyone's cup of tea.

Training in the park is better! My whole kung fu class trains in the park plus it saves money for the sifu since owning a school building is expensive. Plus training along side nature is quite beneficial as well!

[Hebrew Hammer]

[QUOTE=bawang;1029065]why not give your students blowjobs?you teach a poor mans art but make fun of poor people. im confuse.
thatll make a lot of monies. increase school profit 1000% QUOTE]

LOL...where's this school? I'll sign a year contract and never miss a class! I'm hoping the sifu is female...

[hskwarrior]

LOL...where's this school? I'll sign a year contract and never miss a class! I'm hoping the sifu is female...

so are you saying if its a male teacher you'd still sign up? :P

[David Jamieson]

Nobody "keeps" their students long term.

Students decide to stay on even after the law of diminishing returns has kicked in.
And it happens no matter what you are training in. You will come to a point where you pick stuff and train that and cycle it.

You internalize it further and further. Many enjoy their relationship with the teacher as well and take on assistant teaching duties and branch off under the direction of their teacher.

If you like your teacher quite a lot, it is a relationship you'll usually keep your whole life. It's not like anyone is forcing anyone else to stay somewhere.

That's victim thinking. Never productive.

[mooyingmantis]

I have taught martial arts for over 32 years. Most of it has been done in two locations (Ft. Wayne, Indiana and North Canton, Ohio) out of two garages that I remodeled into kung fu studios. If you have seen my videos on YouTube, they were shot in my two car garage that was converted into my studio. Standing in my studio, you would not believe it had been a garage.

I am cheap, I will not pay to rent a building when I do not have to rent one. Heating the space is simple and has only a minimal cost.

As far as the original subject, I have two students that have been with me for 32 years. Many others have come and gone. Many more will I am sure.

Since I prefer to teach only the real deal to a small group, I rarely accept more than five students at a time. And since I have a vocation, I do not charge for lessons. Students pay me back by training very hard. If they do not train hard I show them the door.

I make one promise to my students. I will teach them what I know, in the most efficient way possible without adding BS. I give them quality and quantity. They repay me by being the absolute best that they can be.

My way may not be for everyone, but it works for me.

[hskwarrior]

now THAT i can totally appreciate

[Jimbo]

Training in the park is better! My whole kung fu class trains in the park plus it saves money for the sifu since owning a school building is expensive. Plus training along side nature is quite beneficial as well!

Yeah, there were a lot of positives about outdoor training, too. One time we even saw a baby whale that surfaced near the rocks not more than 30 feet from where we were training. Some of my students mentioned to me they actually preferred training outside.

When some people talk about others training in a park, it's often spoken of condescendingly, as in "park kung fu" or "park taiji." Or "backyard kung fu." Without any consideration as to individual quality of the teacher or his/her class.
Not having overhead with a school does not always equate to half-@ssed training. I ran my class hard and organized, and because it was a small group and I was very familiar with everyone, each and every student received careful attention.

[Yum Cha]

I was not talking about you or anyone in particular so you should not take offense.

I would not train in someone's garage and that is my preference.

Do I look down on people in the ghetto? I look up to the people who leave
the ghetto to make a better life for themselves. We are not really going to get into this are we? "Ghetto" is a slang for many negative things but the slang is not directly linked to ghettos or people living in them.


So, how them Shaolin Do lessons coming along? :D

You even made Bawang come out and slap you around, not a bad effort!

Outdoor training, or 'informal' training if you wish has a lot more going for it than you think. Nobody can teach you anything better than to take responsibility for your own training in its most basic sense. How many crutches do you have, or need?

Take away the economic imperative, and things change a lot, but, horses for courses, no matter who you are, if you can't find your niche and put in the hours, it doesn't matter what you are NOT doing.

[MysteriousPower]

Have I truly injured all of your flowery sensibilities? I did not know I could project my qi so far!

Look guys. That was not the point of this thread. Start another thread about the pros and cons of training in a park. I was gearing this thread more toward those Kung Fu people who mix pressure testing in with their training. I feel like all the old people who do push hands invaded my thread.

I merely said that I was never interested in training in a park or a garage. Let us all take a chill pill. I have done a little park training and I have noticed that the quality was not so good. This is natural since, due to lack of needing to pay the rent, these teachers were not motivated to teach better material. In an actual school a teacher has to be creative in order to keep students which involves constantly modifying the curriculum. So you guys got some good training in a park? Great! But that is not what this thread is about.


This thread is about how the rougher schools keep students long term.

[hskwarrior]

Have I truly injured all of your flowery sensibilities?

Not mine. but when you think you're more superior because you are not GHETTO....you are going to run into a few walls. when i hear that, immediately i hear supremist. and in my book, only god is supreme.


I merely said that I was never interested in training in a park or a garage.

and yet you still haven't said why. i'd like to hear what you can learn in a building differently than outside


This thread is about how the rougher schools keep students long term.

because as a non commercial school we don't have to trap students with contracts. we have the choice to waive dues if money is really tight for certain students. IMO, you get the real deal from a park or garage teacher because he is not bound to LIABILITY as does the commercial school.

[San Soo Sifu]

Tim Cartmell learned his Internal Kung-Fu from Chinese masters in both Hong Kong and Taiwan... in parks.

Nobody on this message board would claim that Tim Cartmell isn't the real deal. So, there goes your theory that training in a park produces less quality.

[MysteriousPower]

Tim Cartmell learned his Internal Kung-Fu from Chinese masters in both Hong Kong and Taiwan... in parks.

Nobody on this message board would claim that Tim Cartmell isn't the real deal. So, there goes your theory that training in a park produces less quality.

When Tim Cartmell was doing hsing I with Hsu Hong Chi he was doing breakfalls, rolling breakfalls, judo type sparring involving throws only, and full contact sparring. Do you actually think they transported mats to a public park and all the students did these activities outside?? His park training probably involved a lot of form training which is what I tend to see in the parks.

[hskwarrior]

His park training probably involved a lot of form training which is what I tend to see in the parks.

the grass at a park works equally as good as matts...only you get more dirty.

[MysteriousPower]

the grass at a park works equally as good as matts...only you get more dirty.

That is completely false IMO. Have you ever been thrown down multiple times in a training session? The grass is an inadequate amount of coushioning compared to mats.

Please tell me you are joking.

[Jimbo]

Grass may not be the ideal surface, but it can work IF you pick a good spot, i.e., a stable surface, thick growth with no uneven or bare spots. I have been thrown on grass many times, multiple times in a session, when I was in training, with no ill effects. Again, is it perfect? No, but it can be done, if you can breakfall properly.

[hskwarrior]

yeah...what jimbo said

[KC Elbows]

I merely said that I was never interested in training in a park or a garage. Let us all take a chill pill. I have done a little park training and I have noticed that the quality was not so good. This is natural since, due to lack of needing to pay the rent, these teachers were not motivated to teach better material.

I train some guys in an outdoor public venue, rain or shine. Every training session involves a technique from the style, followed by putting on gloves and working the technique against pressure, then each person takes a turn throwing punches at me while I work the next technique we will go over, the more experienced guys trying to tire me out for the less experienced guys, those not punching working on and helping each other figure out the mechanics of the next move, and all having a chance to see how I do the technique under pressure. Then they throw on gloves, pair up, and work that technique. Then, they take turns playing attacker on me while I work the next move they will go over. After two hours of this, it's done. No form, but all techniques from one form. If any decide to learn the form later, it will all be familiar material.

No apps work, as in set distance, all done while moving around from beginner on up. It's daunting for the newer people, but I tell them "This is bread and butter for this style, so you'll do this every month you train, and you'll see it's not that complicated. You're just a beginner now, that's okay."

We work one aspect of things for a month, then the next, in eight months they will know more than I did at seven years, and be as seasoned as I was at that point, possibly more.

As for throws, bringing matts will sometimes be necessary. However, I didn't think this when I was younger, and did plenty of breakfalling on harder surfaces.

When we don't have matts, we still work the entries against gloved strikes coming in with intent.

Retention based on pandering is for children. Producing measurable skill that others can see attracts the right kind of students. The argument that money makes a school better is a bit problematic, since it can often be seen to do the opposite, creating six month certification programs that cannot give what they promise, etc, even in mma. An regardless, the guys who have great things to teach have them because they like the arts and have the mindset where they'd rather be qualified than respected: the guys who are dollar focused find a better living or turn conmen.

[David Jamieson]

wait, why are we bothering with one more jibbering troll spewing the same old trollshido crap?

meh.

[TenTigers]

Kyokushin/Seido schools have high enrollments. Nakamura's school has always been huge-and they are a school of hard knocks.
Alan Lee's school trains you with pressure from day one, and they have a pretty good student body as well.
Judo schools also do well.
If you bring the student into the pressure testing in an intelligent fashion, and offer a good, solid curriculum and excellent instruction, there is no reason for the student to leave. He enjoys what he's doing. He is growing, learning, and challenging himself. No mystery here.
I will agree with one thing Bawang said-you do need a teacher who is charismatic. A dull, boring teacher cannot motivate a student to push himself through the mental and physical discomfort required to gain Martial skills.
Sometimes I visit other schools to watch how they teach and motivate their students.
Sometimes I go to the schoolyard and watch the football coaches motivate their players. The game is different, but the mindset is the same.
I think if I had to hire someone from outside to teach Martial Arts, it would be a football coach!

[MysteriousPower]

wait, why are we bothering with one more jibbering troll spewing the same old trollshido crap?

meh.


I thought we could agree to disagree on the nei gong topic. I sent you a private message as a peace making/keeping offer. If you d not want it than it is on you. Just because you do not agree it does not make me a troll.

[hskwarrior]

I thought we could agree to disagree on the nei gong topic. I sent you a private message as a peace making/keeping offer. If you d not want it than it is on you. Just because you do not agree it does not make me a troll.

OHHHHH! there you go again! is being a troll toooooo GHETTO for you? must suck to be elite

[David Jamieson]

I thought we could agree to disagree on the nei gong topic. I sent you a private message as a peace making/keeping offer. If you d not want it than it is on you. Just because you do not agree it does not make me a troll.

Dude, you are given answers when you ask questions. YOu reject them immediately and continue on with your line about how tma cma in particular etc are inferior in some way.

That makes you a troll. Clearly you're some shmuck from trolshido come over to kfm to rile up the pajama dancers so you can feel better about yourself for whatever reason you need to feel better about yourself.

whatever. guys like you come cheap these days. guys with actual info are much harder to find.

have fun while you're here taunting noobs like yourself.

[MysteriousPower]

Dude, you are given answers when you ask questions. YOu reject them immediately and continue on with your line about how tma cma in particular etc are inferior in some way.

That makes you a troll. Clearly you're some shmuck from trolshido come over to kfm to rile up the pajama dancers so you can feel better about yourself for whatever reason you need to feel better about yourself.

whatever. guys like you come cheap these days. guys with actual info are much harder to find.

have fun while you're here taunting noobs like yourself.


Guys like you come cheap these days. You study useless things like nei gong for 16 years and then claim to have special knowledge. But when put to the test of direct questioning all you can come up with is that you have better posture. I am glad for you but you need to stop pretending that your 16 years of special ed training was special.

[SevenStar]

Do teachers here that teach combat(sport, whatever) oriented martial arts have issues with keeping students long term? I have seen people quit tcma schools due to boredom, repetitive curriculums, and not feeling they are getting better which is probably due more to lack of pressure testing than anything else.

The thing about combat arts is that they attract people who are interested in combat. Of course there are people who come in, do the hard work out and realize that it is harder than what they were looking for. But in general, combat styles attract people who want to train those styles. Consequently, they tend not to get bored or quite because training is too hard. One KFM example is david ross. He has said many times that he was teaching forms and saying he taught kung fu, and it did not attract the combat crowd. He instead got an influx of people who wanted something else. However, by promoting chinese kickboxing and down playing forms, now the guys who want to fight roll in. If I recall correctly, masterkiller had a similar experience.


Should a school have separate classes for students who want to train in either?

if the teacher is capable of teaching both and there is a desire for it, I don't see why not. Now, it the teacher has no fight experience (I'm talking ring experience) I wouldn't teach a sport combat class merely trying to base it off of your style. On the same hand, I wouldn't recommend that a sport teacher try to traditionalize his training.


Should a school teach both kinds of curriculums side by side? The only issue with this is time management. How much can you fit into one class? Personally, I believe this is the best option because it will wet everyones' appetites and you can personally tailor routines for people.

teach on different days. long fist on mon, wed and fri, sport fighting on tues and sat.



Do you find that students get scared away by the 'tough' training or does it draw them?

Once again, depends on what you teach and the type of crowd it is geared toward.

[KC Elbows]

The thing about combat arts is that they attract people who are interested in combat. Of course there are people who come in, do the hard work out and realize that it is harder than what they were looking for. But in general, combat styles attract people who want to train those styles. Consequently, they tend not to get bored or quite because training is too hard. One KFM example is david ross.

Chung moo quan schools used to attract people from other styles based on the intensity of the workout, and retain people based on this, despite being utter schlock martially.

Meanwhile, I seem to be familiar with a good number of mma practitioners locally who have trouble getting a class started, because the fans like a few lessons, but not the full experience.

There has always been way more fans than hardcore guys, and always will be. Hardcore guys don't keep a for profit school open, even Ross' school, period, end of story. The margin for any martial arts school is slim, as there really aren't ever that many serious people training in it, so the idea that having a for profit location equates to less LARPers goes directly against the reality of it.

That said, a style with more real fighters in it can survive better as a style and retain more serious practitioners for a time, but this has little bearing on the business end of it.

[KC Elbows]

Guys like you come cheap these days. You study useless things like nei gong for 16 years and then claim to have special knowledge. But when put to the test of direct questioning all you can come up with is that you have better posture. I am glad for you but you need to stop pretending that your 16 years of special ed training was special.

Says a db under a fake handle whio thinks others have to prove something to him, but who himself is so chicken**** that he simultaneously takes the position that he can be rude as he likes online and consequences shouldn't be part of it, but for some reason does it all hiding under a dummy handle.

Grow some balls and use the handle everyone knows.

[David Jamieson]

trolls are incapable.
they can only be trolls.
best to leave them under teh bridges where they belong. :p

[KC Elbows]

trolls are incapable.
they can only be trolls.
best to leave them under teh bridges where they belong. :p

It just cracks me up when they are using troll id's to argue what they actually believe: if you don't have to nuts to say it under the handle we all know you by, why will we listen better while you hide under a different id?

So far he's claimed to be a troll, claimed to have lied about his training because we all hate mma guys(despite most of my training partners doing mma and most of my friends here doing so as well), and claimed everyone else doesn't live up to his hardcore standards, like doing 100 pushups, yet we all know he seriously believes everything he is saying, he's just too cowardly to do it under his normal id. It's only a troll if you don't believe in what you're saying; when you do believe, it's a lame passive aggresive ploy because you aren't as brave as you pretend.