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GeneChing
08-20-2010, 03:05 PM
China: Taoist cleric causes scandal, Communist Party reacts preaching (http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=38469&t=China%3A+++Taoist+cleric+causes+scandal%2C+Commu nist+Party+reacts+preaching)
The chief monk at the Shaolong temple doctored his CV and lied about his miracles. In a short period of time, he was able to build up a major following, including prominent people from the world of pop music, TV and business. The Religious Affairs Ministry calls for “more spirituality” but is one ...
Friday, August 20, 2010
By Asia News

Beijing – A Taoist priest with a great following among Chinese elites is a fraud and a liar, according to China’s Religious Affairs Ministry, which quickly went into damage control mode. Now, stemming the tide of moral degradation sweeping the country is one of its goals; sadly, it is also partly to blame for the corruption of religions.

Li Yi, 41, is the chief monk at the Shaolong Taoist Temple in southwest China's Chongqing Municipality (Shaanxi). He gained celebrity status when he began treating some of China’s nouveaux riches, people like Jak Ma Yun, founder of Chinese business-to-business provider alibaba.com, singer Faye Wong, Chinese TV drama director Zhang Jizhong and his China Central Television producer wife, Fan Xinman.

In books and statements, the glitterati repaid him heaping praise on the doctor with the “divine” touch and the power to heal from cancer, reduce stress, and offer step-by-step exercise and diet programmes to give peace and longevity. Using savvy communication techniques, the cleric became a master for some 30,000 followers.

However, the Religious Affairs Department in Chongqing discovered that he faked his curriculum vitae, falsely claiming among other things that he had started studying Taoism at the age of three. In reality, Li did not become a Taoist monk until 2000.

According to the authorities, Li lied about his supernatural powers, like his claim that he can stay underwater without breathing for two hours. Equally, they slammed him for claiming that he could do miracles that turned out to be phony and for getting money from his followers for pricey lessons, diets and exercise regimes.

Now, that Li Yi’s star is shining no more, many of the celebrities who touted his wisdom are turning their back. In the same way, the Religious Affairs Ministry is up in arms. Indeed, Wang Zuoan, head of China's State Administration for Religious Affairs for the past year, told Xinhua that the religious should not seek fame and fortune. Instead, they ought to have a detached and tranquil mind, acquire merits and virtues through study and religious practice, and win respect through knowledge, integrity and character.

As good as Wang’s sermonising may have been, it left out one important detail, namely that Li Yi’s rise to fame was partly due to the Religious Affairs Bureau. In fact, the monk is a former official with China’s official Taoist agency.

“Don't forget the monk was deputy director of the Chinese Taoist Association,” Tsinghua University professor Li Dun said. “He couldn't do so much without the backing of authorities, particularly in areas of religion, where official controls are still so tight. How could you expect the public not to trust someone supported by such high authorities?” he added.

If religion became big business, that is the doing of the Religious Affairs Ministry. Following Deng Xiaoping’s economic reforms, temples, churches and monasteries were called upon to build “socialism” by getting into business.

Once known as oases of peace, silence and prayer, many temples and monasteries have now been overrun by masses of shoppers and tourists. Even at the Shaolin, the monks have turned their monastery into a rich and powerful multinational (See “Shaolin, kung fu monks, become a money making brand,” in AsiaNews, 18 December 2009).

In the end comes the sad realisation that too many Chinese are gullible in religious matters. Yet, there is a positive aspect to it as well, because Li Yi’s fall from grace shows that many mainlanders are seeking peace, harmony and spirituality in a country ruled by materialism for decades. Even the search for longevity and better health through diets and exercise is understandable for so many Chinese lack access to proper health care.
The moral of this story is not to lie about your supernatural powers. :rolleyes:

KC Elbows
08-20-2010, 03:16 PM
The moral of this story is not to lie about your supernatural powers.

That's right, always have hot chicks who will lie about them for you.

I don't understand why taoists need to hawk the supernatural power thing. They've got sex and fighting cornered. Aren't those enough?

taai gihk yahn
08-20-2010, 04:05 PM
too bad the PRC Religious Affairs Department wasn't around ~2,000 years ago to check up on another bunch of supposed "miracles", we might have avoided a lot of silliness since then...

Syn7
08-23-2010, 09:37 PM
The moral of this story is not to lie about your supernatural powers. :rolleyes:

man that sucks... just makes everyone look bad...


dont worry guys, all my superpowers are legit, peer reviewed and well documented... in classified files for national security reasons... :D

GeneChing
08-30-2010, 05:09 PM
Scandal tainted Taoist priest steps down (http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-08/568241.html)
* Source: Global Times
* [02:10 August 30 2010]
By Jia Cheng

A Taoist priest accused of raping a female follower and evading tax has stepped down from the People's Political Consultative Conference in Chongqing and as the deputy head of the Chinese Taoist Association.

The association said in a notice on its website that Li Yi had submitted his resignation to protect the reputation of Taoism.

The China News Service (CNS) reported Saturday that Li also resigned from the Chongqing People's Political Consultative Conference.

Li, who was dubbed a "health-preserving master", had about 30,000 followers, including renowned figures such as Jack Ma, founder of Alibaba, and pop singer Faye Wong.

He is known for charging outlandish tuition fees for his classes.

A five-day health and philosophy training class at the Shaolong temple in Chongqing, where Li is an abbot, costs 3,800 yuan ($559), and a seven-day class cost 9,000 yuan ($1,323).

A school established by Li was also accused of evading tax.

Accoridng to the CNS report, the school had not been registered with the local tax department.

The report said the authority would demand a tax settlement from the school and impose a fine.

"Illegal tax issues regarding the school and Li reflect flaws that exist in Chinese law," Feng Yujun, a law school professor from the Renmin University of China told the Global Times.

Feng added that more details and specific clauses should be added to regulations on religious affairs,

He went on and said that Li Yi should not be allowed to run businesses using Taoist culture and by cheating his followers.


Li Yi Resigns as VP of Taoist Association (http://english.cri.cn/6909/2010/08/30/1821s591909.htm)
2010-08-30 18:30:08 Xinhua Web Editor: Xu Leiying

A Chinese Taoist priest famous for his questionable health programs has resigned from his position as vice president of the Chinese Taoist Association, according to a website report available on Monday.

The priest, Li Yi, submitted his resignation letter to the association on Aug. 23 and his resignation was accepted at a meeting of the association on Aug. 27, says the website of the State Administration for Religious Affairs.

Li, whose real name is Li Jun, was found by local authorities in southwest China's Chongqing Municipality to have fabricated several miracles he claimed to have performed, including holding his breath underwater for two hours.

A Chongqing government official said Li was in a transparent airtight container when he performed the breath-holding feat.

Li runs the Shaolong Taoist Temple in Chongqing, where expensive health and meditation programs are offered.

In his resignation letter, Li said he decided to resign "to avoid the reputation of Taoism being harmed by my personal affairs."

After Li's story aroused widespread suspicion, Wang Zuo'an, head of State Administration for Religious Affairs, said religious personnel should seek neither fame nor fortune.

Instead, religious personnel should possess a detached and tranquil mind and acquire virtue through study and religious practice while winning others' respect with their knowledge, integrity and character, Wang added.
Let this be a lesson to all of you. You know I'm talking to you.

mawali
08-30-2010, 11:07 PM
If we really examine these cases over the centuries, the deceit has been going on for 'forever' but people refused to 'turn them in". No different from the present church scandals where, from priests to archbishops, they fathered children from trusted followers and got away and many will get away with their behaviour.

People are starting to speak up but better late than never!

Scott R. Brown
08-31-2010, 12:34 AM
If we really examine these cases over the centuries, the deceit has been going on for 'forever' but people refused to 'turn them in". No different from the present church scandals where, from priests to archbishops, they fathered children from trusted followers and got away and many will get away with their behaviour.

People are starting to speak up but better late than never!

Don't forget the female pope!:eek:

ghostexorcist
08-31-2010, 02:19 PM
too bad the PRC Religious Affairs Department wasn't around ~2,000 years ago to check up on another bunch of supposed "miracles", we might have avoided a lot of silliness since then...
Person A: "Let's see....It says on your C.V. that you are the son of God. So why does your birth certificate say your father's name is Joe?"

Person B: "Uuuuuuuuuhhh ... I think I left my camel running outside."

[runs out the door and doesn't come back.]

jdhowland
08-31-2010, 03:31 PM
Ah, don't blame him. Blame a guy named Saul who started a new cult based on the Greek model, and the Romans about 350 years later who invented a new state religion to try to hold their dying empire together.

Critical thinking wasn't popular then, I guess, anymore than it is today.:(

taai gihk yahn
08-31-2010, 03:33 PM
Ah, don't blame him. Blame a guy named Saul
so you knew him before he hit the road, eh?

Scott R. Brown
08-31-2010, 03:37 PM
so you knew him before he hit the road, eh?

I'm pretty sure he's the one who threw the first stone!

taai gihk yahn
08-31-2010, 03:47 PM
I'm pretty sure he's the one who threw the first stone!

stop complaining, you had it coming...

Scott R. Brown
08-31-2010, 04:03 PM
stop complaining, you had it coming...

Ehhhhhh.....he missed anyway.....and he throws like a girl too!:p

taai gihk yahn
08-31-2010, 08:26 PM
Ehhhhhh.....he missed anyway.....and he throws like a girl too!:p

that would be Augustine...

Scott R. Brown
09-01-2010, 03:51 AM
that would be Augustine...

At least Augustine had gonads.....well he did before his conversion that is!!!!:eek:

uki
09-11-2010, 07:54 AM
just being yourself is the greatest supernatural power one can develop. :p

Scott R. Brown
09-11-2010, 11:26 AM
just being yourself is the greatest supernatural power one can develop. :p

OUCH!!!!:p

Xian
09-14-2010, 08:02 AM
Remember who established the First Taoist Association and also the First Buddhist Association :)


Kind Regards,
Xian

sanjuro_ronin
09-14-2010, 08:15 AM
I'm pretty sure he's the one who threw the first stone!

Not to be a sticklier for history, but he just held their coats.

sanjuro_ronin
09-14-2010, 08:17 AM
that would be Augustine...

Hey, don't knock Augustine, he came up with the "big bang" 1700 years before scientists did.

taai gihk yahn
09-14-2010, 01:19 PM
Hey, don't knock Augustine, he came up with the "big bang" 1700 years before scientists did.

I think Augustine's "big bang" was a little different...;)

jdhowland
09-15-2010, 11:29 AM
so you knew him before he hit the road, eh?

LOL!

Yeah, he wasn't a bad guy, just delusional. Claimed to have been a Pharisee but he flunked out. Had some idea about starting a mystery cult based on the Indo-European model. I'm not sure how that turned out for him.