Real kung fu challenge!

[kido]

Hey guys!

Apparently there's been a feud between two martial arts schools in Montreal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsunYHXir84

Any thoughts?


kido

[David Jamieson]

ghey?

does that count as a thought?

boy with a beard = ghey

video= lame

ghey+lame= that

:p

[lkfmdc]

I don't know, I saw a lot of feet, didn't see any fight?

[Lucas]

okay i finally watched this thing. LOL

what it looks like to me, from a non interested 3rd party;

guy walks into dudes place and wants to challenge him. dude accepts and rips up the stupid contract, then is like okay lets do this. he even tells the challenger to do anything he wants right at that moment....lol. challenger is like 'anything?' and dude is like ya.

then he starts to advance on the challenger and the guy is like stay away stay away, fumbly stuff happens and some scuffling of feets. camera goes back to the guys, dude is again like 'stay away' and the other dude is a little scuffed on his face, but looks kind of disapointed.

my take? i think he got sucker punched by the challenger when the challenger got backed into a corner. scared rabbit syndrome. then the challenger was done or something for what ever reason.

says it was cencored due to lol graphic violence.......please, and um lololol encompetence (sp) and so i guess the challenger was so in competent they had to edit out his sucker punch cuz it made him look like a beotch.

[Syn7]

why would he censor it if he didnt have anything to hide??? everyone looks like a **** here...


i think he was backing off saying wait because he wanted to have an organized sparring match, not a fight... so when the guy said "you want to fight me" he should have been way more clear... instead he started talking about paperwork which to some people would read like this "sign this paper so i cant get in trouble when i hurt you" which isnt really needed if it was a sparring match... besides, no amount of paperwork can absolve you from the legal consequences should you go too far...

RW Smith talks about how cheng manching had a similar situation where they were at a party or something and they went and got a lawyer... the guy was like "this is america, we dont do it like this here" ... im sure he thought these people were crazy... two 80 year olds wanna fight and be absolved of any guilt should one die... the guy was right... legally, it just doesnt work that way... in canada too...

[Lucas]

who put up the vid? was it the challenger guy?

[taai gihk yahn]

Hey guys!

Apparently there's been a feud between two martial arts schools in Montreal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsunYHXir84

Any thoughts?


kido

yes;

1) it's been addressed already in the taiji forum on two seperate threads:

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58157
http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55912

my personal feeling is that the poster "justadude" is a plant by the challengers designed to make their perspective seem more objective;

2) it's a cluster fu(k embarrassment on all ends; but mostly it's a puss-job edit of the actual exchange; sad situation all around


addendum: I would also make the point that the coincidental appearance of new posters "kido" and "JB_one", the former posting the video on his first post and the latter arguing that the video clearly showed Master Yang being outmatched on his first post using language echoing that of the video and "just a dude",(e.g. - "so-called master" and all that), is "mighty queer, Mr. Frodo", so until indicated otherwise, one might do well to assume that they are biased (which is fine), but are trying to appear as if they are being objective (which is not)

[SanHeChuan]

The challenger is a ***** for censoring their video. :mad:

And a **** for ambushing that dudes class. :o

Since the challenger was in control of the video the shocking incompetence can safely be assumed to be his. :rolleyes:


What they should have done is contacted the dude ahead of time and made arrangements to meet at a neutral third parties place… No wait,

What they should have done was NOTHING.

He insulted your school, so the **** what? Grow up ****s.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[cerebus]

"You have offended my family... and you have offended the Shaolin Temple..." :p

[YouKnowWho]

guy walks into dudes place and wants to challenge him. dude accepts and rips up the stupid contract, then ...

The order is totally wrong. You should

- jump in,
- beat up the challenger,
- rip up the contract,
- throw it on the dead body, and
- ask, "Are you ready?"

[Syn7]

even the youtube vid is put up by a one time poster... this whole scenario reaks of f a g g o t r y... it looks like a couple toys are just looking for props and justification of their disrespectful activities... regardless of what was said by who, all we have to go on is the lil d i c k attitudes in this video... dude makes a challenge and then is shook when he doesnt get to do it by his own guidelines...

[taai gihk yahn]

even the youtube vid is put up by a one time poster... this whole scenario reaks of f a g g o t r y... it looks like a couple toys are just looking for props and justification of their disrespectful activities... regardless of what was said by who, all we have to go on is the lil d i c k attitudes in this video... dude makes a challenge and then is shook when he doesnt get to do it by his own guidelines...

yeah, and they keep popping up on this forum trying to pass themselves off as disinterested third parties who just happen to be expressing their "objective" opinions;

clearly this is a coordinated assault on Yang; and, for all I know, he deserves it; but don't come on here and try to play us, LOL!

[Featherstone]

The order is totally wrong. You should

- jump in,
- beat up the challenger,
- rip up the contract,
- throw it on the dead body, and
- ask, "Are you ready?"

Now that's Funny and probably the best part of this whole post.

[Syn7]

no doubt... even if not all three new posters are a part of it... its possible one of them is here by fluke acting like the other two, but all three??? not a chance... and notice how the original poster didnt say anything when everyone started calling the challenger a ***** and all that... my guess is that he either is or knows the challenger... was hoping for vindication and didnt get it... so they log on as another name, or perhaps had a friend swing by, to help justify their geeked attempt at a challenge... it doesnt even matter who won, i like yang better... atleast he didnt act like a b i t c h "hey dont touch me, sign my document"

[SanHeChuan]

The challenged gets to set the terms of the duel, not the challenger.

[omarthefish]

Because it needs to be said on both threads:

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1034678&postcount=56

[Syn7]

The challenged gets to set the terms of the duel, not the challenger.

yeah but they clearly dont understand proper protocol here... as shown on their own video... they tried to handle it like wannabe thugs...

[taai gihk yahn]

Because it needs to be said on both threads:

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1034678&postcount=56

I sense a merge is imminent...:D

[Syn7]

Because it needs to be said on both threads:

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1034678&postcount=56

thanx for posting your guys side of it all... what happened during the censored part???

[omarthefish]

Hey man, it's not "my guys". I have nothing to do with this thing. I'm just an objective bystander who happened to read the 5 or 6 locked threads that lead up to this thing.

I live in China. I've never met any one from Yang Hai's school OR from Nam school. I was just following the Nam antics, with much amusement, from my laptop on the other side of the planet. So when the video came out and then these related threads, it really kind of irked me as the story that has been coming out is exactly the opposite of what I watched online.

[Syn7]

Hey man, it's not "my guys". I have nothing to do with this thing. I'm just an objective bystander who happened to read the 5 or 6 locked threads that lead up to this thing.

I live in China. I've never met any one from Yang Hai's school OR from Nam school. I was just following the Nam antics, with much amusement, from my laptop on the other side of the planet. So when the video came out and then these related threads, it really kind of irked me as the story that has been coming out is exactly the opposite of what I watched online.

and where does one read these threads??? what site was it?

either way, thanx for balancing this out a bit...

[omarthefish]

More comedy from the Nam Ahm school:

http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9823

A curious incident happened two days ago at our school.

I talked to Master Yang from the Wudang Internal School on the phone.

Two things surprised me:
- He did not know to use the title Grandmaster when asking to talk to Grandmaster Nam Anh, and expected to be able to talk to him anyways.
- He got very angry and out of control when I was trying to explain this to him calmly, and he finished by hanging up the phone. He even called back two times and was still mad and aggressive with the other people he spoke to.

This is from one of the Nam School students.

Now who exactly is calling them self "grandmaster" and being unreasonable in this story. ;)

[Syn7]

3. Was ambushed in his own school. "Friendly technical exchange?" Then watchs the F-ing camera for? That and that those words were barely out of his mouth when the other guy says more directly (and honestly) "I want to fight"

which i find funny since he clearly didnt want to fight when yang pressed up on em... but hey, maybe he needed to pump up his reboks... i hate fighting in flat reboks, its the worst... ;):rolleyes::p:D

[bawang]

this is why i hate wing chun

[Syn7]

http://shaolinwingchun.com/

[Syn7]

3. Diplomacy
No matter the objective of the manoeuvre, it is always imperative to remain calm and courteous while negotiating for what you want. Do you ever see heads of state getting all worked up while talking to or about another country? No, because they know how to communicate in order to be heard.

4. Self control
This is one of the core values and ideals in martial arts. It is also a prerequisite in order to become a true master. Perhaps the greatest enemy anyone ever has to face is himself, his own weakness, his emotions, his ego. A martial arts master must understand this, and act accordingly. Calm and poise make it possible to act with a clear head, swiftly, decisively and precisely at the right time.



lol... yeah thats how i saw them act in the vid forsure... they are comming off quite hypocritical... in the end when everyone starts dissing the school they'll probably just scapegoat and put it on the student and his behaviour as being seperate from the school...

[omarthefish]

and where does one read these threads??? what site was it?

either way, thanx for balancing this out a bit...

Thread where the Nammies introduce their school:http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9694
It's too long to bother reading. Main point is that Nam has some ex-students over at Yang's school and they related their negative experiences with Nam saying it felt kind of cultish and that you hardly even saw the teacher, stuff like that. A grudge is born

That first thread gets locked and the Nammites start this one:
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9767
I can't even tell what it was about. Some sort of wierd passive aggresive complaint. The first time we started seeing Nam student re-registering on our board under new names and claiming to be presenting new points of view or whatever.

In this next thread, the Namster implies that some sort of challenge was offered but no one can tell where. Juan suggests that instead of shouting over the internet, he should just drop by the school and talk to Mr. Yang directly. Backhanded insult fly and on of the Nammies is caught getting confused between his two online identities as he signs two of his posts with different names.
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9775

Mr. Yang writes an article for a magazine making fun of grandiose titles and is careful not to name names and says that this story should not be taken to refer to anyone in particular but just to make a general point. The Nam school sees it as a direct attack (thus proving they fit the description to a T) and the school ambush ensues:
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9824

Please do not attempt to respond to any of those threads or start any new related threads on our board over there because, quite frankly, the mods have been busy enough lately banning all the Nam students who keep re-registering to re-start this garbage. The threads were locked for a reason. You may notice that the starters of these threads are mostly banned.

That is all.

[bawang]

i think yang hai got so mad because they played mind games and word games. wing chun brings out the worst in nerds

but i also critisize yang hai for not knocking out a skinny wing chunner because that shows a problem

[phoenixdog]

Looks to me like the challengers were thrown out without a fight taking place. Surprising none of the room full of witnesses haven't described what happened during the black out.

[Violent Designs]

The "master" is this guy... he teaches some Xing Yi and Bagua etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZ3xn-UmjI

Nobody looked like they can fight though. MEH.

Skill level? MEH.

This is pretty lame and stupid by all standards of logic and reality.

[Kansuke]

I didn't watch the vid. Did it all take place in the parking lot of a Masonic lodge?

[bawang]

i think john f springer might have lost, but he beat osiris mentally and spiritually. so he win. also omar DESTROYED that heavy bag. it shows he has amazing deadly baji powers.

[taai gihk yahn]

The first time we started seeing Nam student re-registering on our board under new names and claiming to be presenting new points of view or whatever.
we seem to be having the same issue here between "justadude" (possibly same guy as "montrealtaijidude" in RSF?), "kido" and "JB_One", all of who happened to appear and post on related threads the first time with opinions either anti-yang or in kido's first post, starting a thread by posting the video

of course, trying that here is a mistake - on KFMF, we can spot crazy a mile away...:p

[JB_ONE]

we seem to be having the same issue here between "justadude" (possibly same guy as "montrealtaijidude" in RSF?), "kido" and "JB_One", all of who happened to appear and post on related threads the first time with opinions either anti-yang or in kido's first post, starting a thread by posting the video

of course, trying that here is a mistake - on KFMF, we can spot crazy a mile away...:p

I made one comment on a thread and you've been attacking me ever since making all these false accusations without even knowing me. You seem pretty immature. What is you're problem? I hope you don't think I'm intimidated in some way.

[David Jamieson]

TGY has the deadly nerve strikes.

lol

[omarthefish]

i think john f springer might have lost, but he beat osiris mentally and spiritually. so he win. also omar DESTROYED that heavy bag. it shows he has amazing deadly baji powers.

lol.

More similarities to these stories than most people realize.

[bawang]

if master yang hai is so highly skilled how come he doesnt have magnifient beard like guan gong

[taai gihk yahn]

I made one comment on a thread and you've been attacking me ever since making all these false accusations without even knowing me. You seem pretty immature. What is you're problem? I hope you don't think I'm intimidated in some way.

no, it would be pretty odd if one anonymous poster felt intimidated by what another anonymous poster writes on an internet message board;

as for the rest, if your arrival and commentary happen to be coincidental, then it sure is one heck of a coincidence; you also seem to have a penchant for trying to characterize me personally as a bully, as attacking you, etc., etc., like you have some sort of a persecution complex; but since, as you say, I don't know you, it would really be hard for me to actually bully or attack you - unless you carry what happens on an internet forum over into the rest of your real life?

so hey, if you are really NOT from the challenger's camp, then my bad; but I think that your assessment of what happened in the video is specious at best, given that there was a major piece missing, yet you draw definitive conclusions based on incomplete evidence;

hey, whatever, as you like;

[JB_ONE]

no, it would be pretty odd if one anonymous poster felt intimidated by what another anonymous poster writes on an internet message board;

as for the rest, if your arrival and commentary happen to be coincidental, then it sure is one heck of a coincidence; you also seem to have a penchant for trying to characterize me personally as a bully, as attacking you, etc., etc., like you have some sort of a persecution complex; but since, as you say, I don't know you, it would really be hard for me to actually bully or attack you - unless you carry what happens on an internet forum over into the rest of your real life?

so hey, if you are really NOT from the challenger's camp, then my bad; but I think that your assessment of what happened in the video is specious at best, given that there was a major piece missing, yet you draw definitive conclusions based on incomplete evidence;

hey, whatever, as you like;

OK cool. I'm from New York anyway and I never been to Canada. I don't know either of these guys. I actually practice xingyi myself. I agree the video is incomplete.

[omarthefish]

More background on these guys:

The Flores guy from the Vietnamese WC school just beating the daylights out of some poor sap visiting from another school:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJcGqCAUsE&feature=player_embedded

Same instructor but this time fighting somebody with a little more game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6GBJahaZ_Q&feature=player_embedded#at=98

The specific school issuing this challenge:
http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/

The thread where I think this grudge actually started...I only posted 4 or 5 of the old threads. There were actually several more than that. Anyways, the ex-Nam student relating his story:
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9668

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Nam Anh (http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=86)

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/images/stories/photos/federation/GMNamAnh/biographie/GM%20Nam%20Anh%20Vietnam%201979.jpg

"Hey baby, how's it hangin'?"

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/images/stories/photos/federation/GMNamAnh/biographie/gm10.jpg

[cerebus]

Judging by their website, Nam Ahn is a big fan of thrones set up on platforms for him to pose upon....

[hskwarrior]

LMAO he wants to be the DRAGON HEAD of the Triad hahahahaha JK

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Grand Master Nam Anh, founding president of the International Federation of Shaolin Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu also set up the Quebec Order of Anmanatherapists. (http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=86)

:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

I have not been able to find anything on Anmanatherapy except on Nammy sites. The Quebec Order does not exist at all as far as I can tell.

It probably costs a lot though.

[Syn7]

yall see this one:


http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9824

[Syn7]

we seem to be having the same issue here between "justadude" (possibly same guy as "montrealtaijidude" in RSF?), "kido" and "JB_One", all of who happened to appear and post on related threads the first time with opinions either anti-yang or in kido's first post, starting a thread by posting the video

of course, trying that here is a mistake - on KFMF, we can spot crazy a mile away...:p

takes one to know one aye...:rolleyes::D the kfm lunatics will draw you out, single you out and turn you out :mad:

[Syn7]

More background on these guys:

The Flores guy from the Vietnamese WC school just beating the daylights out of some poor sap visiting from another school:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJcGqCAUsE&feature=player_embedded

Same instructor but this time fighting somebody with a little more game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6GBJahaZ_Q&feature=player_embedded#at=98

The specific school issuing this challenge:
http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/

The thread where I think this grudge actually started...I only posted 4 or 5 of the old threads. There were actually several more than that. Anyways, the ex-Nam student relating his story:
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9668

ofcourse... they seemed so familiar and now i remember these guys... they are real odd fish... they love playing dress up and are really big on themselves... i love their belts... lol... so geeky... man i forgot about these cats...

[Syn7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcDjsjFvrqo


Pei Mei Orthodox Nam Anh Kung Fu - 4 Harnessed Horses


the throne speaks volumes doncha think??? these guys are tons of youtube fun...

[Yum Cha]

Wow, never knew the Nam Ahn Pak Mei was the same sigung.

French/Vietnam I would speculate.

[taai gihk yahn]

:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

I have not been able to find anything on Anmanatherapy except on Nammy sites. The Quebec Order does not exist at all as far as I can tell.

It probably costs a lot though.

let me guess - they perform miraculous healing on thousands of people, much more effective than those silly doctors can...:rolleyes:

[David Jamieson]

takes one to know one aye...:rolleyes::D the kfm lunatics will draw you out, single you out and turn you out :mad:

we re-arrange them til they're sane... :D

...also that place looks fabulously culty and filled to the rim with frat boy attitudes!

Kinda like this place at times. lol

What is up with all the self aggrandizement?

Seems all so desperate. Funny how that works eh?

[Joseph_alb]

Nam Anh (http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=86)

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/images/stories/photos/federation/GMNamAnh/biographie/GM%20Nam%20Anh%20Vietnam%201979.jpg

"Hey baby, how's it hangin'?"

http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/images/stories/photos/federation/GMNamAnh/biographie/gm10.jpg

Ill see you and raise....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/4838037338_8fea682bd7.jpg

[SanHeChuan]

http://www.chicotown.com/pics/silky-logo.jpg

[sanjuro_ronin]

I hate people that do martial arts and can't fight, I really hate them.
Makes me wanna get all "expendables" on their ass !

[bawang]

but sanjuro, i do martial arts and cant fight

[lkfmdc]

I hate people that do martial arts and can't fight, I really hate them.
Makes me wanna get all "expendables" on their ass !

you must be a very angry person

[hskwarrior]

what about the people that can fight but don't know any martial arts? :eek:

[taai gihk yahn]

what about the people that can fight but don't know any martial arts? :eek:

shhhhh!!! :mad:

[taai gihk yahn]

you must be a very angry person

he drop-kicks kittens on weekends just to keep his weekday rage from dissipating...

<mwrreow!!!>
<da-thump>

<mwrreow!!!>
<da-thump>

<mwrreow!!!>
<da-thump>

<mwrreow!!!>
<da-thump>

[hskwarrior]

shhhhh!!!

oh that just makes me want to do it more :D:rolleyes::D:p

[Syn7]

oh that just makes me want to do it more :D:rolleyes::D:p

its all about the asian pimp chair... do you think they all sit at his feet waiting for crumbs???

[hskwarrior]

yes i do....hahahaha.

that is a Dragon Head Chair too....i want one.

[SanHeChuan]

yes i do....hahahaha.

that is a Dragon Head Chair too....i want one.

I'd put in my living room and watch house in it.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Interesting info to go with the chair:



Another nammie registers and starts yet another thread because it came out on the last one that Yang Hai has some students who are ex-nammites. He opens the thread with a story that was related about how "Master" Nam had sexually harrassed a number of the female students. He got the story from his girlfriend who was one of those previously harrassed.

I think this might be some motivational material they hand out to "inner door" students...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KBT-VLqirg

[Syn7]

yes i do....hahahaha.

that is a Dragon Head Chair too....i want one.

then can i have your crumbs, good sir???:rolleyes:

[Syn7]

Interesting info to go with the chair:



I think this might be some motivational material they hand out to "inner door" students...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KBT-VLqirg

dude... people are looking at me funny now... thanx for that... now i have to explain this to the woman...:confused::eek:

[Xiao3 Meng4]

dude... people are looking at me funny now... thanx for that... now i have to explain this to the woman...:confused::eek:

It's good that you two talk. :D

[Syn7]

It's good that you two talk. :D


yeah... one word convos and lots of body language in the negative and positive... its a physically abusive relationship... demostic violence at its best... she just keeps beating me up and i cant leave!!!



"f u c k you" "no f u c k you" "you take your pill?" "f u c k you" "ssshhhhh, turn over and put that pillow under your hips!!!" "f u c k you" "naw baby, you got that backwards! speaking of backwards..........."


yeah we communicate great!:eek:

:rolleyes:

;)
:p
:D
:cool:

[taai gihk yahn]

a little PSA:
http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58199

[Syn7]

a little PSA:
http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58199

somebody should merge these threads... all three of em... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ... or atleast have em all in the same section... i suggest the KF f a g forum...

[Faruq]

More background on these guys:

The Flores guy from the Vietnamese WC school just beating the daylights out of some poor sap visiting from another school:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJcGqCAUsE&feature=player_embedded

Same instructor but this time fighting somebody with a little more game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6GBJahaZ_Q&feature=player_embedded#at=98

The specific school issuing this challenge:
http://www.shaolinwingchun.com/

The thread where I think this grudge actually started...I only posted 4 or 5 of the old threads. There were actually several more than that. Anyways, the ex-Nam student relating his story:
http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9668

I liked the second fight. I didn't recognize too much Wing Chun, but at least it was a more evenly matched fight. Not one guy just having his way with the other.

[Scott R. Brown]

I sense a merge is imminent...:D

There you go with them BIG words again!:mad:

And just WHAT does imamemt mean?:confused:


:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

I have not been able to find anything on Anmanatherapy except on Nammy sites. The Quebec Order does not exist at all as far as I can tell.

It probably costs a lot though.

That is because it only exists in IMAGINATION LAND!

People like us are not allowed in IMAGINATION LAND!!


let me guess - they perform miraculous healing on thousands of people, much more effective than those silly doctors can...:rolleyes:

And jump off of 3 story buildings and through glass windows to demonstrate how manly they are!


I hate people that do martial arts and can't fight, I really hate them.
Makes me wanna get all "expendables" on their ass !

You not 'spendable John San Juwo!!


I'd put in my living room and watch house in it.

With a loaded shotgun in your lap!


"f u c k you" "no f u c k you" "you take your pill?" "f u c k you" "ssshhhhh, turn over and put that pillow under your hips!!!" "f u c k you" "naw baby, you got that backwards! speaking of backwards..........."


yeah we communicate great!:eek:

You'll do just fine around here!:D


.. i suggest the KF f a g forum...

Yup.....just fine!:)

[bawang]

i think we ned to learn from this and train hard, and not fool ourself thinking "this cant happen to me, i proably train different and better than him"
i critisize master yang because he let a skinny wing chun guy embarrass him and he couldnt do anything. there is a problem
i sympathize with him because i got sucker punched by a wing chun guy too, but from his internet video he do a lot of fancy things. maybe this will help him change how he train.

[Faruq]

i think we ned to learn from this and train hard, and not fool ourself thinking "this cant happen to me, i proably train different and better than him"
i critisize master yang because he let a skinny wing chun guy embarrass him and he couldnt do anything. there is a problem
i sympathize with him because i got sucker punched by a wing chun guy too, but from his internet video he do a lot of fancy things. maybe this will help him change how he train.

Wow, a serious post from Bawang. It's the apocalypse! Everybody run and hide!

[Syn7]

i think we ned to learn from this and train hard, and not fool ourself thinking "this cant happen to me, i proably train different and better than him"
i critisize master yang because he let a skinny wing chun guy embarrass him and he couldnt do anything. there is a problem
i sympathize with him because i got sucker punched by a wing chun guy too, but from his internet video he do a lot of fancy things. maybe this will help him change how he train.

thats why i like bak mei... it seems to have alot of the same principles ive learned in other styles like muay thai which i have used very successfully in street fights... i harbour no illusions as to the effectiveness of a style that doesnt encompass the five ranges... punching kicking trapping grappling and groundfighting... i feel if all i did was bak mei i wouldnt be the fighter i am... also, i started learning bak mei after i had fighting experience and brought that experience in with me... without my wrestling i think i'd be taken down and beaten easilly, without my bjj i tyhink i'd be pounded out when i do get taken down... and without muay thai i wouldnt have the multiple ranges i use in fights... bak mei is like my icing on he cake though, and its proinciples when applied to my other knowledge is taking my fight to another level... its really important to round yourself out... also bak mei has ground attack, albiet limited, they are helpful... my next step is gonna be some advanced chinna style so i can elevate my trapping and grappling game to that next level...

rant... sorry, scattered thoughts... but yall know what im gettin at right???


i'd fight yang or the nammie chunner without any thought... i wouldnt change my shoes and i wouldnt take my knapsack off... i'd just take your legs and watch you squirm sucka!!!:D

and quite frankly, i dont have much faith in pure chunners that wanna stand square and slap fight me... i'll drop levels and manhandle the f u c k outta ya if you dont have any grappling experience... no question... if yuou wanna win you better have one hell of a punch, and you prolly only get one try...

as far as a pure art that should be preserved as is, i love wing chun, so dont get me wrong... but as a complete fighting style.... nope... sorry...

[taai gihk yahn]

thats why i like bak mei... it seems to have alot of the same principles ive learned in other styles like muay thai which i have used very successfully in street fights... i harbour no illusions as to the effectiveness of a style that doesnt encompass the five ranges... punching kicking trapping grappling and groundfighting... i feel if all i did was bak mei i wouldnt be the fighter i am... also, i started learning bak mei after i had fighting experience and brought that experience in with me... without my wrestling i think i'd be taken down and beaten easilly, without my bjj i tyhink i'd be pounded out when i do get taken down... and without muay thai i wouldnt have the multiple ranges i use in fights... bak mei is like my icing on he cake though, and its proinciples when applied to my other knowledge is taking my fight to another level... its really important to round yourself out... also bak mei has ground attack, albiet limited, they are helpful... my next step is gonna be some advanced chinna style so i can elevate my trapping and grappling game to that next level...

rant... sorry, scattered thoughts... but yall know what im gettin at right???

i'd fight yang or the nammie chunner without any thought... i wouldnt change my shoes and i wouldnt take my knapsack off... i'd just take your legs and watch you squirm sucka!!!:D

and quite frankly, i dont have much faith in pure chunners that wanna stand square and slap fight me... i'll drop levels and manhandle the f u c k outta ya if you dont have any grappling experience... no question... if yuou wanna win you better have one hell of a punch, and you prolly only get one try...

as far as a pure art that should be preserved as is, i love wing chun, so dont get me wrong... but as a complete fighting style.... nope... sorry...

<psst, hey, bro, come over here fer a sec, wanna talk to you in private; now look, you've made a really good first impression here, you seem like a laid back guy, you've posted some funny sh1t and all, but let me give you a little advice, if you don't want any problems; see, if u go on with the kind of thing you've posted above, talking about things like range-specific skill sets being more relevant than adhering to stylistic conventions, and even worse, suggesting that people <ahem> crosstrain in different systems to make up for what a given style may not have or do as well as another system in a given range, well, see, that's just the kind of crazy-talk that's going to get things stirred up 'round here mite quick; in fact, we've got a certain sort on the forum that you would do well to steer clear of, they're better known as glorified kickboxers, meaning anyone who has trained in several styles, even mixing TCMA w/non-TCMA, and well, the fact of the matter is that if you are one of them, then you clearly have not trained the real TCMA, because the real TCMA would enable one to handle anything at any range using TCMA alone; now, I'm guessing that you probably know this, that the above is just a smokescreen to lul ur TCMA opponents into a false sense of security, which is fine, but just don't overdo it, because as much as we like you, once you have invoked the wrath of certain KFMF posters, then you may as well just give it up, because then you will be relegated to the ranks of crosstraining glorified kickboxers, and trust me, nothing hurts worse than that; ok, good talk, back onto the playground w/u...>

[Scott R. Brown]

Uh!!!!! WE CAN HEAR YOU!!!:mad:

[taai gihk yahn]

uh!!!!! we can hear you!!!:mad:
what?!?!?!?

[Syn7]

hey, if you can tell me about a complete cma style, im all ears... or any complete ma style??? i know alot of people will take it personally becvause theyve trained for years and have alot of faith in what they do... but this doesnt change the facts... and the facts i speak of arent observed from a distance, its from first hand experience sparring with all sorts of fighters and martial artists(no i dont think they are always one and the same)...


anyways, i would love to be shown wrong... i want to believe that chinese boxing is complete and all encompassing and the best and... and.. and.... :rolleyes:

to me, cma is BY FAR the most aesthetically pleasing of all the ma's... i love cma and if it wasnt for cma i would just be a "past it" al bundy living in my glory highschool days... as a wrestler though, not a footballer... i owe my ambitions to cma, no doubt about it... but i will always speak what i feel is true no matter how many toes i step on... thats real... thats me... i can deal with hate... what i cant deal with is me saying stuff i dont believe in oreder to fit in... or even worse, not saying anything in order to not ostracise and/or alienate myself from the group... you guys make me laugh and i like that... but i'll always speak my mind and i am always open for debate... also, i always reserve the right to change my mind about anything, anytime... :D


so please... lets talk about this...

in all honesty, i find my wrestling background to be invaluable in my bak mei training... anyone who does any shortfist high stance styles with a wrestling background will know exactly what im talking about... i cant wait till my bak mei is good enough to use more of it in competition... my last few comps have been pure grappling tourneys... im looking foreward to getting back into some standup and mma type of comps... i prefer bare knuckle though... its easier to pull of subbmissions without the gloves, just handwraps... and its gotta be a muay thai style of wrapping, for me anyways...

[Syn7]

if u go on with the kind of thing you've posted above, talking about things like range-specific skill sets being more relevant than adhering to stylistic conventions, and even worse, suggesting that people <ahem> crosstrain in different systems to make up for what a given style may not have or do as well as another system in a given range, well, see, that's just the kind of crazy-talk

lol... heaven forbid... rounding out is just silly... why would i want to learn how to fight off my back, for a year or three, when i could just do a boxing style for 15 years and end fights with a series of chain punches and a knee to the mouth of some dumb wrestler trying to hit the double... you make me feel such shame :p:eek::confused::):D


thanx for the love though... :o


you could say that i am a purist... i believe in maintaining an art as is and learning it as such... i also believe one should learn more than one art... then combine them later with experience... i find if you train some mma hybrid style from the getgo, you'll lose out on learning alot of stuff that is beneficial in more than just fighting...

[Scott R. Brown]

Psst!!!

<whispering>

"He's a joke".......er......I mean, "he is joking!!!"


Okay....well he is joke too......but don't tell him I told you!!;)

[Syn7]

ok...


yall should check my chunner comments in the other threads :eek:


maybe i'll be tarred and feathered!!!!!!!!!!!


im the best kind of hater, i hate everything equally... so that makes it okay:D:p;):o:rolleyes::cool:



oh and dont let first impressions fool you... im really a j e r k off a s s hole with a big mouth and far too many opinions...:D:p:rolleyes:

[taai gihk yahn]

see, now you've gone and made the Nammy chunners feel so bad that they took down their video :mad::mad::mad:

although, personally, my feeling is that the video was a form of performance art, with the posting and follow up responses on this forum all part of the "concept piece"...

[YouKnowWho]

they took down their video ...

Is that why we have tried so hard in order to achieve - discourage bad Wude behavior?

[omarthefish]

They took it down out of embarrassment or maybe somehow Mr. Yang got it taken down on account of them coming in to his private property and filming without permission?

Youtube says "terms of use violation" :confused:

Not sure what that would be. If it was out of embarrassment for how everyone reacted different from what they thought, I saved the video to my laptop just in case this happened but I'm reluctant to release it without knowing if they took it down or if Mr. Yang wanted it down. Maybe I could do yet another edit of the thing. lol.

I suspect the Yang Hai folks are just as happy to see it gone as anybody.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

After Justablah left, I did a bit of browsing on the French Martial Forums. It's pretty much the same scene there: Nammies post video and thump chest, forum laughs, Nammies retreat. Now the video is gone.

I also found this (http://www.kwoon.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12951). Not a video, + it's in French, but it's nice to see the Vietnamese schools calling Nam Anh on his game:




Joined on a forum dedicated to Vietnam Vinh Xuan (Viet wingchun in), I came some time ago on these two discussions, dating from 2005: Principles of VinhXuan and How can I qualify for Wing Chun Orthodox?
Their contents left me really thoughtful, and lead me to wonder about who is really Mr. Nam Anh. In addition, following a recent discussion here, some people ask that the comments that have been advanced are supported Mr Nam Anh. Well for my part, I have mostly material that underpin my doubts, because I have trouble finding consistency among all the info I could gather. I therefore submit to the wisdom of the members of KI, with the aim of reaching me an idea of the gentleman and the orthodoxy of his school.

I wish I bring you full all posts in Vietnamese, but it is very tedious and like Kwoon, there are many "private joke" difficult retranscriptibles out of context. Here is a general summary of two discussions. The links provided above will allow other Vietnamese students to check my statements, to prove that I did not "invent" it from scratch or too distorted the words in my translation.

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In the first issue devoted to the principles of Wing Chun, it starts when the pseudo Phithuongdanh involved in explaining to the other participants that they did not understand about wingchun. And rightly so, since the only school to have preserved fully the teaching and tradition of Wing Chun is Wing Chun School of Orthodox Grand Master Nam Anh. He adds that there is nothing surprising in this, as wingchun Hong Kong, Xuan Vinh Vietnamese north and south, are only "branches", but how could they compete branches with the "Core" embodied in the School of wingchun Orthodox? It makes some technical explanations vague and general, on which other entrant will react naturally, asking for clarification.
There followed Luoibieng a speaking forum. In reading the history of his posts, I deduced that he must belong to a school in Hanoi, he had some good years of practice behind him (Instructor?), And was close to the current Master Nguyen Ngoc Noi.

And then I'll bring her whole post because it is worth his weight in peanuts:


Ah, but these are the great masters of VXCT (wingchun Orthodox), who spend their lives sitting on a throne covered with tiger skins and buffalo, with their students kneeling around. And even their followers now claim impress the world with the name of Wing Chun Orthodox!
Phithuongdanh, if you're an adult, so read what follows, but if you're a young child or teen, then dropped eh, wait to live a little and you will understand later, my boy.

- By entering this forum, give me a favor and please leave out your label wingchun Orthodox. Your school wingchun classifies Hong Kong as "modern," your master says they invented their Taos entirely from scratch, just that enough is already blowing. Your tricks of acrobats and itinerant healers ("My Hoa Sơn Nhung Dong bán Thuoc Dao" ), You see that as the technical work (kung fu) of Wing Chun. Your egos are just too great, and nothing beyond that already in the term "Orthodox" but can be your guarantor of orthodoxy? Your lineage is derived from Ba Fok Kuen (Pho Quyen Bá) and that's all, so if there is any additional proven orthodoxy, please let us know.

- I beg you, call your school wingchun Nam Anh Wudang, would be as well. Because at this wave adjective "Orthodox" to crush the others, who wanted to discuss and exchange with you? You're about to make you have, and you do not even worry give account. Human capabilities have limits, and any practice requires time and entraîenement. This is not because we wrote the legendary historic, and asked his students to use high-sounding titles, will we be able to ask others to do likewise. This can mystify a handful of people, you know.

- As long as I have on hand, I'll give you a "Orthodoxy" additional if you would not know. That way you can have one more opportunity to impress the world, if you feel like worry. http://www.peimeikungfu.com/

- And hey, while I am still going to the site www.shaolinwingchun.com, look at the training program and tell me how that justifies his bulging chest saying embodying the orthodoxy, crush others, calling them "rod" claiming to be the trunk. There's something in there, since the jumping kicks of TKD Karate for tonfas. The whole passage on the philosophical teachings and others, including Feng Shui, are really too strong and high, the other branches would never teach it all.

All we hope is that your Grand Master is content to play with Westerners only, without trying to do with us, pray for mercy.

To avoid contamination of the discussion will therefore luoibieng the heels create a new thread dedicated to the Orthodox School Wing Chun ...

In a nutshell: "Orthodox" Wing Chun = Fok Bo Chuen Wing Chun.

[diego]

ok...


yall should check my chunner comments in the other threads :eek:


maybe i'll be tarred and feathered!!!!!!!!!!!


im the best kind of hater, i hate everything equally... so that makes it okay:D:p;):o:rolleyes::cool:



oh and dont let first impressions fool you... im really a j e r k off a s s hole with a big mouth and far too many opinions...:D:p:rolleyes:so missed this **** explain what does that bald guy and the quick lil dude from the bm dvd have to do with yang? wtf is yang?. don't got vid on my phone and now the vid is gone...

[Syn7]

i downloaded the vid to make it easier to disect when he first put up the link... i wanted to slow it down and see what i could between poor camera work and CENSORSHIP...

but yeah, i have it... so its not "gone"...


DIEGO, i 'splained it in the other thread... the one in the taijiquan internal forum...

[Syn7]

oh and by the way...

All we hope is that your Grand Master is content to play with Westerners only, without trying to do with us, pray for mercy.


that was pretty funny... loosely translated:
"play with the whiteboys if you need to feel important but f u c k off with the bull s h i t around your own kind sucka!!!"

[Syn7]

After Justablah left, I did a bit of browsing on the French Martial Forums. It's pretty much the same scene there: Nammies post video and thump chest, forum laughs, Nammies retreat. Now the video is gone.

I also found this (http://www.kwoon.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12951). Not a video, + it's in French, but it's nice to see the Vietnamese schools calling Nam Anh on his game:



In a nutshell: "Orthodox" Wing Chun = Fok Bo Chuen Wing Chun.


dayum... nam anh gives a whole new meaning to the word "hubris"

[Scott R. Brown]

see, now you've gone and made the Nammy chunners feel so bad that they took down their video :mad::mad::mad:

although, personally, my feeling is that the video was a form of performance art, with the posting and follow up responses on this forum all part of the "concept piece"...

Ah....very good show then! <condescending clap for the little people>

[Syn7]

Ah....very good show then! <condescending clap for the little people>

were you sitting in your nam anh dragon pimp chair when you typed those crumbs for us proletariat???

[Scott R. Brown]

were you sitting in your nam anh dragon pimp chair when you typed those crumbs for us proletariat???

I do not sit.....I float! I do NOT allow material dross to contaminate my GLORIOUS being!!!:mad:

[bawang]

the bruce lee and wong jack man fight was just like this. it was embarrasing , nothing happened, then few days later the wingchun guy says he won

[Scott R. Brown]

the bruce lee and wong jack man fight was just like this. it was embarrasing , nothing happened, then few days later the wingchun guy says he won

Claiming victory is apparently part of the Wing Chun teaching curriculum.

[bawang]

they ned lift weits and b trong

[Yum Cha]

Claiming victory is apparently part of the Wing Chun teaching curriculum.

Ah HA! The answer is finally out! George Bush studied Wing Chun!

[LaterthanNever]

All this begs a question in return.

In the video..it cuts to black and states "censored due to massive incompetence" or something similar.

If the Nam Anh Wing Chunners were so content on showing him up..wouldn't they want to show the entire video if Master Hai Yang was "massively incompetent" so as to prove their point?

Hmmm...:rolleyes:

Unless it is they who are the incompetent ones...

H,,,, :rolleyes: :cool:

[Syn7]

heres a gif of the missing footage...


http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/148/l_6085abbcb06f49768c5ea84f41e42782.gif


:rolleyes: