Conspiracy Theory: The Money Masters...

[Faruq]

Anyone been to www.themoneymasters.com website, or seen their 2 DVDs? This is another amusing conspiracy theory, that they used to even have a wiki page for. Don't know how they come up with this stuff, but any thoughts?

[Hardwork108]

Anyone been to www.themoneymasters.com website, or seen their 2 DVDs? This is another amusing conspiracy theory, that they used to even have a wiki page for. Don't know how they come up with this stuff, but any thoughts?

Hey Faruq,

There is a lot of truth in what the "Money Masters". Unfortunately, many of the tough fighters of this forum, have their heads buried in the sand, as they cannot admit to have been duped since the time before they were born.

Many have intellectual comfort zones that they do not dare to come out. Many of them see every thing beyond the capacity of their limited neurons, as "conspiracy theories", others who cannot can see that something is not quiet right, convince themselves that it is being done for the good of mankind. For example, the plans for the New World Order were kept secret, and anyone who talked about it was labelled as crazy, or a Conspiracy Theorist. Now that the cat is out of the bag, the powers that be, are marketing it as a good thing, to stop all wars, social inequality and so forth, and many people, including some in this forum, believe the BS.


I guess, that is why you have not had much response to your thread. Of course. there are others who know the truth but do not wish to risk flame wars with intellectually challenged knuckleheads.

Keep on researching for yourself.:)

[Faruq]

Oh, then I take it this has been discussed here before. There's enough conflict on this forum; I sure don't want to cause any more.

[Syn7]

watch out for the moneychangers... when you arent looking they're gonna gitcha....!!!


ah, to be a rothschild...

[Hardwork108]

Oh, then I take it this has been discussed here before. There's enough conflict on this forum; I sure don't want to cause any more.

Similar subjects have been discussed here before, however, don´t be intimidated by the ignorants who cause conflicts. More and more people are being currently turned on to the truth of how the world is really run, and the fact that this has been so for centuries. The ignorants and the brain dead will bury their heads in the sand and ridicule anyone who thinks outside of the box, and that in turn has been going on for centuries as well.

So silence is not good. Look at the martial arts aspect of this forum. Many authentic kung fu practitioners do not speak their minds here, so we have the loud voices of pseudo-kung fu-ists and Glorified Kickboxers, telling every one that the TCMAs are not functional; that they are out of date, fantasy, and so on.

This utterly clueless outlook has become the truth for many who should know better! Why? Because, not enough actual and authentic TCMA-ists, come out and tell our kung fu-clueless, "Forum Gods", that they are truly out of their depths, and that they should stick to talking about kickboxing and MMA methodologies, which is their actual area.

No one tells them this, because no one wants to be in conflict with them, yet they, the kung fu-clueless kickboxers and MMA-ists of this forum, do not think twice about, insulting, slandering, and sometimes, even chasing away, traditional kung fu practitioners from this forum.

Anyway, my policy is just say it the way it is, and let the clueless worry about every thing else, wether the subject matter is the MAs or just REAL politics, that effect us all. :)

[Syn7]

This utterly clueless outlook has become the truth for many who should know better! Why? Because, not enough actual and authentic TCMA-ists, come out and tell our kung fu-clueless, "Forum Gods", that they are truly out of their depths, and that they should stick to talking about kickboxing and MMA methodologies, which is their actual area.

No one tells them this, because no one wants to be in conflict with them, yet they, the kung fu-clueless kickboxers and MMA-ists of this forum, do not think twice about, insulting, slandering, and sometimes, even chasing away, traditional kung fu practitioners from this forum.

why can't you be both???

[Hardwork108]

why can't you be both???

Genuinely practiced, traditional kung fu will have "MMA" elements. However, during these times of Mc dojos/kwoons, many people practice kung fu within a limited scope and dimensions. Then failing to get acceptable results, they turn around and cluelessly bad mouth it. I say, "cluelessly", because their point of reference is their own study of mediocre and one dimensional kung fu.

This subject area is pretty profound, just like the TCMAs, but many will generalize and give MA advice and critiques, when they themselves do not have valid points of reference regarding genuine TCMA practice, even if they do possess great MMA knowledge.

On the same note, if one is to cross train his kung fu with other arts, he the better have genuine understanding and knowledge of his core TCMA art before he goes on to mix things into it, so as not to contradict the essenc of his art and even render some of it useless.


Of course, one can just mix any way one pleases, but he should realize that what he ends up with is not necessarily classify as a TCMA, hence he should limit his critiques of the TCMAs, as regards any perceived failures, or needs for improvement, that is, IMHO.

As for politics, then it is my utter belief that none of us lives in a democracy and we are being herded like cattle by powers that are not that visible, but who function through utterly corrupt, uncaring, psychopathic puppet leaders that they choose for us.

However, many people are waking up to this so I am looking forward to see the world change in my lifetime, or at least one can hope.

[Syn7]

not me... i cross train... ive helped people get ready for fights and i have a sh!tload of mat time over 15 year span...

i wont front, im not the greatest... i got lazy a decade ago and didnt pick it back up till about 5 years ago... im still new to bak mei which is the tcma style im doing now... but i am well rounded... i have a good knowledge of submissions, my wrestling is tight, alwasy has been... and i also understand tcma, i was first intrduced over 15 years ago and aside from practice ive also dont alot of reading and dabbling here and there, just out of curiosity mostly...

im 32, i think my generation is at the very beggining of the realization that tcma isnt complete and the training methods may not always be combat ready... most tcma cats who arent willing to change are either older than i am, or under the spell of sombody older than i am...

[Hardwork108]

not me... i cross train... ive helped people get ready for fights and i have a sh!tload of mat time over 15 year span...

i wont front, im not the greatest... i got lazy a decade ago and didnt pick it back up till about 5 years ago... im still new to bak mei which is the tcma style im doing now... but i am well rounded... i have a good knowledge of submissions, my wrestling is tight, alwasy has been... and i also understand tcma, i was first intrduced over 15 years ago and aside from practice ive also dont alot of reading and dabbling here and there, just out of curiosity mostly...

im 32, i think my generation is at the very beggining of the realization that tcma isnt complete and the training methods may not always be combat ready... most tcma cats who arent willing to change are either older than i am, or under the spell of sombody older than i am...

Each person chooses his own path, and that is fine. There is nothing wrong with cross training if that is your chosen path.

I can only say that the majority of people are not or have not, been exposed to real deal TCMAs. Again, I am referring to the MC dojo phenomenon. Knowing this fact and also the fact that there are hundreds of TCMA styles, including some closed door ones (where most people will not just be able join and none-Chinese are not taught), it is very unfair to label all TCMAs under the sun as "incomplete".

By the way, Pak Mei is an awsome style. I hope that your school is authentic and that you get the best instruction possible, where you can build your body from the inside out, as this will take you very far.:)

HW108

PS. My Mainland lineage Wing Chun sifu is younger than me.

[Syn7]

yeah my sifu is legit... he's pretty well known in that circle... locally and internationally... im more than satisfied with his legitimacy...

[Faruq]

Hey, Ron Paul supports this thing and he's a Democrat though. So this money masters thing isn't all fascism or socialism, is it?

[Syn7]

i thought ron paul was an independent... who am i thinking of then???

[Faruq]

You're probably right. Thanks for the correction. But he's still not a known fascist or communist or anything, right?

[Hardwork108]

You're probably right. Thanks for the correction. But he's still not a known fascist or communist or anything, right?

I believe him to be a Republican. He seems to be very outspoken about the wrongs of the privately owned Federal Reserve.

It will good to see how he will function if he gets into a powerful political position. That is if he is not dicredited or suffers a sudden heartattack or dies in plane crash.....

[Syn7]

I believe him to be a Republican. He seems to be very outspoken about the wrongs of the privately owned Federal Reserve.

It will good to see how he will function if he gets into a powerful political position. That is if he is not dicredited or suffers a sudden heartattack or dies in plane crash.....

so he's republican? not independent?

[Drake]

The dude is independent. Geez, folks.

You can't "see" someone as republican or democrat. There's actually a formal way of doing things instead of people randomly pushing legislation and then getting matched to a party.

Paul has a number of initiatives and beliefs that run counter to both republican and democrat platforms, which effectively alienates him from both parties. Thus, he has opted to run as an independent.

[Hardwork108]

......Paul has a number of initiatives and beliefs that run counter to both republican and democrat platforms, which effectively alienates him from both parties. Thus, he has opted to run as an independent.

Wow, being intelligent, which makes Ron Paul see the Federal Reserve for what it is, seems to alienate a lot of people from the 2 main parties offered to us by the establishment elite.:D

I always thought that he was a Republican, or did he start as a Republican, and ended up as an Independent?:confused:

[SoCo KungFu]

You guys could have just like....googled him.


Tom Sullivan: Lets start with the Republican revolution that everybody is talking about since Christine O’Donnell won in Delaware. You’ve been kind of a revolutionary guy within the Republican Party, what do you make of it?

Ron Paul: Well, I don’t give a lot of credit to the Republican Party for this. I think they’re aware of what’s happening in the country. There’s a revolution going on at the grassroots, and that’s the Tea Party movement. And they want less government, so Republicans are saying, “Hey, that’s what we’ve been talking about, let’s join them”. So I see the Republicans joining the Tea Party movement more than the Republicans leading the Tea Party movement.

http://www.ronpaul.com/

[Syn7]

just one more example of how a canadian knows more about america than americans... and i still think i can name more states than the average american :p

shame shame shame:D

[BJJ-Blue]

just one more example of how a canadian knows more about america than americans... and i still think i can name more states than the average american :p

shame shame shame:D

I've said before that I'd bet your right.

Do you happen to know the high school dropout rate of Canada vs the US by chance?

[BJJ-Blue]

Mr Paul is member of the Republican Party, but he is more in line with a Constitutionalist or a Libertarian. I myself look at the candidate, not the Party. Mr Paul is also not a career politician, so that is very good. He is actually a doctor, and he became well known in his congressional district because he delivered alot of people's babies there. After he retired from practicing medicine, he entered politics. So he has a much better grasp of the private sector, small business, and being self-employed then most politicians who have held office decades longer than he has.

[Syn7]

I've said before that I'd bet your right.

Do you happen to know the high school dropout rate of Canada vs the US by chance?

nope... but for your sake you better hope that the US has a better high school success rate because if they dont, then that means that even tho less canadians grad, they still know more about the world than the average american and that would be even worse...

[BJJ-Blue]

nope... but for your sake you better hope that the US has a better high school success rate because if they dont, then that means that even tho less canadians grad, they still know more about the world than the average american and that would be even worse...

I'd bet Canada has a lower dropout rate than we do. The fact that we allow people to throw away a free high school education, but then spend the next 50+ years on welfare because they can't find a good paying job is absolutely ridiculous. I feel that if you do not graduate high school, you should be ineligible for any Gov't assistance. We offer people the greatest tool for financial success, an education. And we offer it to them for free. And if they are poor, we also give their children two free meals as well during school. If people turn that down, we should not give them anything from then on. Do you agree?

[Syn7]

actually ron paul does have decades of political experience... he ran for potus in 88...

i know he was a member of the republican party... for some reason i thought he ran indy in 08 but he didnt, it was as a republican nominee... not sure who i was thinking of...

i know he repped libertarian in 88 too... i dont know who i was thinking of... i think alot of people think he`s indy coz he argues with everyone... but i really dont know much about the guy...


as for school... i dont think you understand what its like for some people growing up...
ok so lets say you dont give any assistance and kick em to the curb for not finishing school... are you willing to pay all the costs related to the creation of such a large underclass??? i dont think youre thinking this through... crime, health issues... canada learned years ago that helping idiots is cheaper than leaving them to their own devices... and we still have problems, but not like in the states...

[BJJ-Blue]

as for school... i dont think you understand what its like for some people growing up...
ok so lets say you dont give any assistance and kick em to the curb for not finishing school... are you willing to pay all the costs related to the creation of such a large underclass??? i dont think youre thinking this through... crime, health issues... canada learned years ago that helping idiots is cheaper than leaving them to their own devices... and we still have problems, but not like in the states...

But what we are doing now is failing. Poverty is up. The sheer number of people on Gov't assistance are up. Dropout rates are up. The number of children born out of wedlock is up. Ghettos are in cities that 50 years did not have ghettos. When you pay people to be poor, you will always have more poverty.

[BJJ-Blue]

ok so lets say you dont give any assistance and kick em to the curb for not finishing school... are you willing to pay all the costs related to the creation of such a large underclass???

The problem with your theory is this; if more people graduate high school, there will be more educated people in society who can now earn a living wage. They will have given themselves the biggest tool needed to succeed in life.

In short, Id rather have my tax dollars give someone a high school education so they can find work or go to college and become productive members of society than give them 50+ years of welfare to just sit around and do nothing.

[Syn7]

you were born middle class or better yeah???
white???

[SoCo KungFu]

I'd bet Canada has a lower dropout rate than we do. The fact that we allow people to throw away a free high school education, but then spend the next 50+ years on welfare because they can't find a good paying job is absolutely ridiculous. I feel that if you do not graduate high school, you should be ineligible for any Gov't assistance. We offer people the greatest tool for financial success, an education. And we offer it to them for free. And if they are poor, we also give their children two free meals as well during school. If people turn that down, we should not give them anything from then on. Do you agree?

Education is by no means free. That's the problem. Aside from the whole taxes thing which I guess we are excluding in the current situation, there are still all the "hidden" costs. There's supplies to buy, transportation (believe it or not, not everywhere has a bus system), extra assistance like tutoring services, fees for extracurricular activities like field trips (which might not make or break education itself, but those are the things that get kids hooked on learning esp sciences). It goes on. And that's just up to highschool. Higher education is crazy expensive. Technical training is ok, until your skills are outdated and you have to reeducate yourself and hope that a company will pay your way. 4 year degrees are ridiculous, and it wasn't until I started making less than $10k a year taxable income before I started qualifying for grants. I don't have the luck of mommy or daddy paying my way. But you know what? Even a 4 year means little these days. Unless you have some rare skill like linguistics (although not so rare anymore) or military training then you better have grad school or higher education. Otherwise you just another former 6digit bread winner now living off savings cuz your job sector is extinct.

[SoCo KungFu]

The problem with your theory is this; if more people graduate high school, there will be more educated people in society who can now earn a living wage. They will have given themselves the biggest tool needed to succeed in life.

In short, Id rather have my tax dollars give someone a high school education so they can find work or go to college and become productive members of society than give them 50+ years of welfare to just sit around and do nothing.

The problem is that those that are on welfare for 50+ years also have kids. And THOSE are the ones that need to be helped. Its been shown time and again that by and large, financial availability determines ones future educational achievement. That's not to say some brilliant minds haven't come out the ghetto, but on average, the wealthy have the best education. Its pretty obvious. But at some point we have to draw a line and say enough is enough. How many generations do we need to keep stuck in the projects? Or is that the intention all along? It takes more than just a desire to learn to become educated. It takes resources, opportunity and for a large number, a dose of luck. And a high school level education is in no way shape or form enough.

[SoCo KungFu]

you were born middle class or better yeah???
white???

Being white don't really mean much believe it or not. Poor is poor. Hell if you're a minority that's extra money for college just on that alone. But at the end of the day, poor is poor. Now race makes a big difference there. But that line is blurring man.

[Syn7]

yeah, but a lower class whiteboy has one less barrier despite the many barriers... ive personally seen how some people dont get a fair shake because they are steriotyped one way or another, not just race, lots of reasons... i dont know forsure, i`d have to check statscan, but i bet the lower classes have more color than the upper classes... we do see alot of wealthy people immigrate for business reasons though...

also canada isnt like the states in alot of ways... our immigration laws and trends are quite different... our demographics are also way different... so a canadian and an american would have pretty different perspectives on all these things...

[Syn7]

But that line is blurring man.

word.... we have concensus(spellcheck) on that one...

[Faruq]

Mr Paul is member of the Republican Party, but he is more in line with a Constitutionalist or a Libertarian. I myself look at the candidate, not the Party. Mr Paul is also not a career politician, so that is very good. He is actually a doctor, and he became well known in his congressional district because he delivered alot of people's babies there. After he retired from practicing medicine, he entered politics. So he has a much better grasp of the private sector, small business, and being self-employed then most politicians who have held office decades longer than he has.

So if a Republican is behind this thing, how come no one wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole, lol? What, have like only 3 people participated in the poll? Is Ron Paul a kook, or a solid Republican businessman? Is this thing just libertarian propaganda, or is there truth behind this money masters thing?...

[SoCo KungFu]

yeah, but a lower class whiteboy has one less barrier despite the many barriers... ive personally seen how some people dont get a fair shake because they are steriotyped one way or another, not just race, lots of reasons... i dont know forsure, i`d have to check statscan, but i bet the lower classes have more color than the upper classes... we do see alot of wealthy people immigrate for business reasons though...

also canada isnt like the states in alot of ways... our immigration laws and trends are quite different... our demographics are also way different... so a canadian and an american would have pretty different perspectives on all these things...

There's no doubt there are more minorities in lower class. That's what happens when you're fighting off slavery followed by centuries of oppression/inequality. That said, there are numerous aids available these days. There are scholarships solely for minorities and women. Entire universities devoted solely to minorities or women. Not to mention the whole quota system in place, not to open that whole can of worms. And those things are necessary. The problem though is when you do happen to be one of those poor white boys, you have absolutely no choice but to simply be better than everyone else. For example a friend of mine recently applied to MUSC (a med school in SC). The admissions faculty there made it very clear to him that he being a white male would be facing stiff competition for admission. The highest score you can make on MCAT is 45 plus a letter code for your writing portion. For example 45T, T being the highest grade on essay. The average is somewhere around 30. The specific words as he related were, that a white male seeking entrance into the medical program there would have to score on average 7 points higher than average to beat the curve. That's almost 16% mark up!!! Just for being a white male. On one hand you need something in place to help out those in need, but that's just getting over the top.

[Syn7]

yeah its mos def changing... also we see the knee jerk reaction and in some cases it goes too far the other way...

an example from my area is the vancouver police... you have next to nil chance of getting on with VPD these days if youre a white english speaking male (as in not french, french males are still good)...

asian females are pretty much catapulted into various positions lately... in their efforts to "balance out" too quickly, theyre alienating thier largest pool of applicants, which is, ofcourse, white english only males...