What is this weapon? [Archive] - Kung Fu Magazine Forums

Scott R. Brown

10-07-2010, 02:25 AM

I would avoid playing with weapons, even pretend weapons, until you are at least big enough to drive the toy cars at Disneyland, you might hurt someone!

If you hurt yourself though, it would be a great benefit to humanity!

Chief_Suicide

10-07-2010, 04:16 AM

In my best Gene Ching imitation it is a cross between

http://www.martialartsmart.com/45-69l.html

and

http://www.martialartsmart.com/45-007.html

or something like that.

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 04:46 AM

says right on the video what it is... :)

Scott R. Brown

10-07-2010, 06:25 AM

says right on the video what it is... :)

Like I said, if he hurt himself, it would be benefit to humaity! And one more step toward his Darwin Award!

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 06:27 AM

Like I said, if he hurt himself, it would be benefit to humaity! And one more step toward his Darwin Award!

I suppose, I mean, the self evident stuff helps us get through every day. lol

Scott R. Brown

10-07-2010, 07:44 AM

In case you haven't made a trip to the Tai Chi section in thr past few days, this guy has already established himself as a dimwit and troll!:)

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 08:07 AM

In case you haven't made a trip to the Tai Chi section in thr past few days, this guy has already established himself as a dimwit and troll!:)

man, tai chi = plague to me these days, I keep away from it in an all round way. lol :p

Scott R. Brown

10-07-2010, 08:48 AM

I recommend it for insomnia!:D

GeneChing

10-07-2010, 09:53 AM

It's a Unicorn Horn Sword, listed on page 103 of our 2000 December issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=130)in Kungfu's top 100 Weapons of the Millennium: From Shaolin staffs to Bruce Lee's Nunchuku by me and Martha Burr. It's rare, but popular enough in Mainland China that a few weapon manufacturers mass produce them. We don't carry them however, as there's just not much call for the exotics in the West. You'd have to go to China to find them.

Dragonzbane76

10-07-2010, 09:56 AM

http://happyvalleynews.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/unicorn_tattoos_10.jpg

YOU WANTED A UNICORN YOU GOT ONE.

lkfmdc

10-07-2010, 10:08 AM

the "celestial master" seems a little uncomfortable with his form

GeneChing

10-07-2010, 11:42 AM

Unicorn is a crappy translation of 麟 (lin) which is an abbreviation for 麒麟 (qilin). In Japanese, it's Kirin, as in Kirin beer (http://www.kirin.com/). Ahh, beer. :)

A qilin looks like a horse/dragon hybrid. It really doesn't map on to a unicorn, but because it's a mythical horned quadruped, some translator translated it so and it stuck unfortunately. The same problem exists for the Chinese dragon in a way, as that is something quite different from the Western dragon.

Both Chinese dragons and qilins have deer antlers for horns, which is probably why this weapon is called lin jiao (角 horn). There already are deer horn knives (http://www.martialartsmart.com/dvdk-lh009.html). I wrote an article about this family of unusual blades - Deer or Duck? The Blades of Bagua in our 2007 May/June issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=701).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/QingQilin.jpg

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 11:49 AM

The ancients would armour and mask their horses quite often to scare the living crap out of their enemies as they charged. Occasionally, there would also be elephants, oxen and even yaks that were ridden by ancient military forces.

Alexander the Great had not encountered a war elephant until he tried to get into India. the stories that came out around those were something akin to how war elephants are portrayed in lord of the rings.

I believe this is where many of these mythic creatures come from.

I mean, can you imagine being some lowly spear man and an armoured horse comes charging at you in the fog of war?

yeah that's right, you feel the mud and smell it too! lol :p

GeneChing

10-07-2010, 11:59 AM

There is a theory that the qirin evolved from horses armored up to look like dragons. I'm not sure I believe that as I think the qirin appears in art prior to dragon-shaped horse armor, but who knows? I've seen Japanese horse armor in the fashion of a kirin, but I just did a quick search and couldn't find it.

taai gihk yahn

10-07-2010, 03:21 PM

the "celestial master" seems a little uncomfortable with his form
and the Understatement of the Year Award, 2010, goes to LKFMDC...

There is a theory that the qirin evolved from horses armored up to look like dragons. I'm not sure I believe that as I think the qirin appears in art prior to dragon-shaped horse armor, but who knows? I've seen Japanese horse armor in the fashion of a kirin, but I just did a quick search and couldn't find it.

actually, there is evidence to suggest that the kei luhn was also influenced by the giraffe...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 03:26 PM

Yes, I've heard the Giraffe connection as well. the Chinese had been accessing Africa for quite some time.

I'm more of the mind they likely come from horse armour variants idea.

Good stuff for a daydream and a bit of reading . :)

GeneChing

10-07-2010, 04:28 PM

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 04:52 PM

After all, look what happened to the lion.

Either theory is possible, but I tend to think it just came about from mythology. If you apply the same measure to European legend, what's the origin of the chimera? I mean really, where do some of these monstrosities originate? Hey Dragonzbane76, got any rainbow-gay nazi qilin ass tattoos?

well, one theory is dinosaur bones were found, brought to the king on the pretense of having killed a dragon and then receiving titles and land for being a kick ass warrior on behalf of his highness.

so, western mythology is based on con games pulled on slightly retarded and inbred royal families mostly. and also keeping kids safe of course. tell them horrifying tales such as are found in fables and fairie tales, and they don't get kidnapped and eaten by mentally ill people living in the woods.

Or... they could have originated in the need to anthropomorphize the natural elements and cycles of earth. For example, "that lightning is a bolt from the gods" and so on.

Ok, I'm off to read some Joseph Campbell. :p

taai gihk yahn

10-07-2010, 05:24 PM

Ok, I'm off to read some Joseph Campbell. :phttp://www.mrdowling.com/images/603gilgamesh.gif

Heh, heh - Gillllgamesh..

Reyth

10-07-2010, 05:31 PM

the "celestial master" seems a little uncomfortable with his form

I agree. Although he is obviously proficient in the form and would be a deadly opponent, he lacks that "Master flair"; that sort of like "I OWN THIS" mastery. Its almost like he's still trying to totally internalize it.

I think I've come up with it: HE is still doing the form instead of his CHI.

taai gihk yahn

10-07-2010, 07:42 PM

I agree. Although he is obviously proficient in the form and would be a deadly opponent, he lacks that "Master flair"; that sort of like "I OWN THIS" mastery. Its almost like he's still trying to totally internalize it.

I think I've come up with it: HE is still doing the form instead of his CHI.

oh lordy, lordy, lordy...

David Jamieson

10-07-2010, 07:51 PM

http://www.mrdowling.com/images/603gilgamesh.gif

Heh, heh - Gillllgamesh..

:) perpetual!

Reyth

10-07-2010, 08:13 PM

oh lordy, lordy, lordy...

Sorry but that's the best way I can put it. A master wouldn't be as stilted as this guy is, but I did note that he KNOWS what he is doing (he knows the practical application of his moves; i.e. he's not just a guy in pajamas floating around) and so that is worth something.

SanHeChuan

10-07-2010, 09:18 PM

Sorry but that's the best way I can put it. A master wouldn't be as stilted as this guy is, but I did note that he KNOWS what he is doing (he knows the practical application of his moves; i.e. he's not just a guy in pajamas floating around) and so that is worth something.

Were we watching the same video? On what evidence do you base your assumption that he actually knows the practical application? Was it the awkward pauses, the sloppy movements, or losing his balance? :rolleyes:

Drake

10-07-2010, 09:26 PM

I thought the sharp side was always pointed towards the opponent?

Reyth

10-07-2010, 11:15 PM

Were we watching the same video? On what evidence do you base your assumption that he actually knows the practical application? Was it the awkward pauses, the sloppy movements, or losing his balance? :rolleyes:

I watched the way he made the movements; it appeared to me that he understood what each of the strikes and counters actually did and was making those moves with the intention of performing them in combat. I didn't say it was pretty, just functional.

What seems obvious to each of us is that he is not a master of that art, but just the same, I wouldn't want to face him in combat.

scottdurand

10-07-2010, 11:49 PM

There is actually a source to buy pairs of these in the US. Browse over to the WLE website.

Dragonzbane76

10-08-2010, 03:19 AM

master of that art

eh... "master" what a self indulging word.

Drake

10-08-2010, 10:06 AM

I watched the way he made the movements; it appeared to me that he understood what each of the strikes and counters actually did and was making those moves with the intention of performing them in combat. I didn't say it was pretty, just functional.

What seems obvious to each of us is that he is not a master of that art, but just the same, I wouldn't want to face him in combat.

Against a full on opponent, I'd say he stands a good chance of accidentally cutting his own face off.

Scott R. Brown

10-08-2010, 10:12 AM

eh... "master" what a self indulging word.

Please remember to cast your eyes downward when you address me, even when you are casting desvirgins on my mastery!

KC Elbows

10-08-2010, 10:16 AM

Please remember to cast your eyes downward when you address me, even when you are casting desvirgins on my mastery!

Casting des virgins on your mastery? Is that like the ring toss?

Scott R. Brown

10-08-2010, 10:23 AM

Casting des virgins on your mastery? Is that like the ring toss?

Sort of.....only with a happy ending!:D

SPJ

10-08-2010, 11:13 AM

1.double hooks or shuang gou are very versatile

you may neutralize sword, even long staff and long spear

you may hook 2 together and swing them as a long weapon

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2. unicorn as showed in the first vid, however,

actually kind of limited to be used as a short weapon.

David Jamieson

10-08-2010, 11:39 AM

There are a crapload of weirdass weapons available in the chinese arsenal of ancient weapons, that is for sure.

I mean, this magazine showed 100 of them in one issue! :p

There are a serious amount of them over and above that.

I think what's important is to look at the principles that govern the categories of classical weapons.

Long weapons
Short weapons
Bladed weapons
Double weapons
Flexible weapons
Projectile weapons

Each will have primary governing tenets by which to adhere to get proficient with any weapon that falls into the category.

Bearing in mind there are going to be outliers. eg: canes with swords inside , or swords with a pistol built in (friggin brilliant if you ask me), and the likes.