Capitalism: Bayer Knowingly Gives People AIDS for Profit

[MasterKiller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

[Hardwork108]

Wow, big business putting profits, and population control, before morality. I mean who would have known.....

Anyway, better you delete this thread before all the brain washed lap top poodles who post here come and linch you for being a Conspiracy "Theorist"....

[Dragonzbane76]

Anyway, better you delete this thread before all the brain washed lap top poodles who post here come and linch you for being a Conspiracy "Theorist"....

would be hard when you have the title for all time king and ever after of conspiracy theoriest tinfoil wearing loonies.

[Hardwork108]

would be hard when you have the title for all time king and ever after of conspiracy theoriest tinfoil wearing loonies.

Masterkiller, see what I mean, Dragonzbane76, one of our resident forum retards, will soon come after you, as soon as his 2 brain cells forget that you are a fellow MMA-ist of his.:D

[Dragonzbane76]

Masterkiller, see what I mean, Dragonzbane76, one of our resident forum retards, will soon come after you, as soon as his 2 brain cells forget that you are a fellow MMA-ist of his.

nah... i save all my hatred for you. ;)

[Hardwork108]

nah... i save all my hatred for you. ;)

Seriously, my dear stalker, don't you think that "hatred" is a little too strong a word, even coming from a TCMA-clueless, insecure fella like you? I mean the forum is full of Kung fu-clueless knuckleheads like you, but they don't all stalk me.....LOL!

I wonder which one of your two brain cells came up with the word and sentiment of "hatered"?......LOL!

Honestly speaking, I don't hate you. My feelings for you are more in line with pitying you........

[Syn7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs

yeah thats an old one... never heard much follow up... hmmm... suprise suprise...

[Dragonzbane76]

Seriously, my dear stalker, don't you think that "hatred" is a little too strong a word, even coming from a TCMA-clueless, insecure fella like you? I mean the forum is full of Kung fu-clueless knuckleheads like you, but they don't all stalk me.....LOL!

maybe hatred is a little strong... more along the lines of I don't like you. :rolleyes:

[solo1]

Seriously? you guys all seem like intelligent people but actually subscribing to a company giving people AIDS?

[Drake]

You jackholes. This happened in the late 70's, early 80's. Bayer, and a good number of other pharmaceuticals, had NO IDEA that HIV was going to spread like this, and they certainly didn't understand HIV. We STILL don't.

I remember all the concern there was back then once the poo hit the fan. Nobody knew if it was airborne, if touching someone with HIV would cause it to spread, etc etc.

This is thirty effin years old. Nobody knew back then what HIV would turn into.

[KC Elbows]

You jackholes. This happened in the late 70's, early 80's. Bayer, and a good number of other pharmaceuticals, had NO IDEA that HIV was going to spread like this, and they certainly didn't understand HIV. We STILL don't.

I remember all the concern there was back then once the poo hit the fan. Nobody knew if it was airborne, if touching someone with HIV would cause it to spread, etc etc.

This is thirty effin years old. Nobody knew back then what HIV would turn into.

HIV was a known killer, and AIDS was defined by '81. At that point, no one in the medical community was assuming that blood transfusions with HIV tainted blood was anything good. The idea tha Bayer was out of the loop on this while making some of these sales is highly questionable.

Selling a product tainted with something known by then to be deadly is not really defensible just because the pope and billy bob thought you caught it from holding hands. Bayer is part of the medical community, and they knew it was a dangerous thing by the time some of these sales were occuring, especially since regulations prevented them from selling it in the U.S., and that they wanted to surreptitiously sell it elsewhere, is probably a good indicator that they didn't care about research they were well aware of.

Not to mention that hepatitis was also one problems with the product, and that was hardly an unknown disease, either.

Really, if there were internal documents saying they knew about the presence of HIV AND hepatitis, and that it was knowingly sold to hemophiliacs anyway, no one in their right mind could claim anything good about it. If I run around injecting hemophiliacs with something with hep and HIV, it's okay as long as I'm Bayer, a major researcher in the health industry who magically has never heard of the most talked about new disease and somehow missed reading about another terrible disease that Bayer probably had drugs in relation to at the time?

[Drake]

Here I go... fact-checking for someone else again...

"AIDS was first clinically observed between late 1980 and early 1981.[165] Injection drug users and gay men with no known cause of impaired immunity showed symptoms of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), a rare opportunistic infection that was known to present itself in people with very compromised immune systems.[166][167][168] Soon thereafter, additional gay men developed a previously-rare skin cancer called Kaposi’s sarcoma (KS).[169][170] Many more cases of PCP and KS quickly emerged, alerting U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). A CDC task force was formed to monitor the outbreak. After recognizing a pattern of anomalous symptoms presenting themselves in patients, the task force named the condition acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).[171]

In 1983, two separate research groups led by Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier independently declared that a novel retrovirus may have been infecting AIDS patients, and published their findings in the same issue of the journal Science.[172][173] Gallo claimed that a virus his group had isolated from an AIDS patient was strikingly similar in shape to other human T-lymphotropic viruses (HTLVs) his group had been the first to isolate. Gallo's group called their newly isolated virus HTLV-III. At the same time, Montagnier's group isolated a virus from a patient presenting lymphadenopathy (swelling of the lymph nodes) of the neck and physical weakness, two classic symptoms of AIDS. Contradicting the report from Gallo's group, Montagnier and his colleagues showed that core proteins of this virus were immunologically different from those of HTLV-I. Montagnier's group named their isolated virus lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV).[171] HIV was chosen as a compromise between the two claims (LAV and HTLV-III)."


So...like I was saying, they were still trying to figure it out in the early 80s...

[Syn7]

You jackholes. This happened in the late 70's, early 80's. Bayer, and a good number of other pharmaceuticals, had NO IDEA that HIV was going to spread like this, and they certainly didn't understand HIV. We STILL don't.

I remember all the concern there was back then once the poo hit the fan. Nobody knew if it was airborne, if touching someone with HIV would cause it to spread, etc etc.

This is thirty effin years old. Nobody knew back then what HIV would turn into.

yes but they had their product banned in the US for good reason and they unloaded it elsewhere to avoid losing money over the whole thing... no they didnt realise just how bad it was, but they did know it wasnt the right thing to do... they had all the evidence they needed to know they werent screening properly and they had tainted product... hemopheliacs went thru hell back then, aids really affected that group... lawsuits aplenty...

[Drake]

yes but they had their product banned in the US for good reason and they unloaded it elsewhere to avoid losing money over the whole thing... no they didnt realise just how bad it was, but they did know it wasnt the right thing to do... they had all the evidence they needed to know they werent screening properly and they had tainted product... hemopheliacs went thru hell back then, aids really affected that group... lawsuits aplenty...

Right. I'm not exonerating Bayer by any means. However, I think if they knew then what wthey know now, they might not have done it.

[BJJ-Blue]

Right. I'm not exonerating Bayer by any means. However, I think if they knew then what wthey know now, they might not have done it.

Give Bayer a break. We all know Ronald Reagan caused AIDS.

[David Jamieson]

Bayer was also implicated in the spread of H1N1.
Not sure where that story went.

Medicine + Profit bottom lines do NOT go well together when it comes to the result for the rest of us.

Bayer did know the drug was tainted when it was refused into the American system.
So they made lemonade and subsequently advanced the spread of HIV and AIDS.

If there is money involved, the fix is in.

Trust no one who has a love for it. Running a company strictly on a bottom line, such as Bayer does or any number of other corporations, is in fact a manifestation of that love of money.

[solo1]

Oh. My. God. johnson and Johnson has been quietly pulling Motrin fromthe shelves for 6 months. what pray tell do you get from that? J&J knowingly put ineefective Motrin on the shelves to let American children never get over their symptoms in a black helicopter attempt to wipe out the population. David please. Your wrtiting this to stir things up right? absurd, Dave, just absurd. Your allegations are right up there with the US gov develping crack to wipe out blacks in the inner cities and Aids was developed to wipe out gays. seriously?

[David Jamieson]

Oh. My. God. johnson and Johnson has been quietly pulling Motrin fromthe shelves for 6 months. what pray tell do you get from that? J&J knowingly put ineefective Motrin on the shelves to let American children never get over their symptoms in a black helicopter attempt to wipe out the population. David please. Your wrtiting this to stir things up right? absurd, Dave, just absurd. Your allegations are right up there with the US gov develping crack to wipe out blacks in the inner cities and Aids was developed to wipe out gays. seriously?

trying to distract from something? why go so far away from the topic?

"If there is money involved, the fix is in." <==== that is my point about big pharma.

[BJJ-Blue]

"If there is money involved, the fix is in." <==== that is my point about big pharma.

But not when it's Big Government involved though, right? :rolleyes:

[David Jamieson]

But not when it's Big Government involved though, right? :rolleyes:

Are you even paying attention? When did we start talking about the government here outside of the FDA regulating that the BAYER product was tainted and therefore not salable in the US.

where?

where is that talk about government in here? hmmmn, nowhere.

You must be confusing this thread with some other thread you made up maybe?

[sanjuro_ronin]

And in the 40's they injected VD such as syphillis in the inmates and mentally incapacitated people in a Guatemalean prison and in the 60's and 70's, they did the same to Black men in the south.
By they I mean people and companies and sections of the government that believe that the ends justify the means.

[Hardwork108]

And in the 40's they injected VD such as syphillis in the inmates and mentally incapacitated people in a Guatemalean prison and in the 60's and 70's, they did the same to Black men in the south.
By they I mean people and companies and sections of the government that believe that the ends justify the means.

The same thing is going on today throught the increased use of food additives, such as aspartame in sweets, soft drinks and virtually every chewing gum on the market; Fluoride in tap water; Mercury in vaccines. The corruption we are talking about was not just then, but it is happening more and more now, and the trail of evil leads all the way to the top of those who are supposed to be serving and protecting us, while looking after our interests as the citizens who, in theory, have elected them.

[BJJ-Blue]

Are you even paying attention? When did we start talking about the government here outside of the FDA regulating that the BAYER product was tainted and therefore not salable in the US.

Actually Bayer sold the bad drugs to Spain, France, and Japan.

And who runs those countries healthcare systems? ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

The same thing is going on today throught the increased use of food additives, such as aspartame in sweets, soft drinks and virtually every chewing gum on the market; Fluoride in tap water; Mercury in vaccines. The corruption we are talking about was not just then, but it is happening more and more now, and the trail of evil leads all the way to the top of those who are supposed to be serving and protecting us, while looking after our interests as the citizens who, in theory, have elected them.

AH dude, it's when people spew drivel like that, that legit situations like the one i mentioned, get "run over".
Fluoride in the tap water, Mercury in vaccines, dude...
Sure there is some fluoride and some mercury, but lets get real ok?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to drink tap water and the pros of vaccines FAR outweight the cons.
No one is getting injected with that stuff against their will and unknowingly for the sake of "science".

[Hardwork108]

AH dude, it's when people spew drivel like that, that legit situations like the one i mentioned, get "run over".
With all due respect, no one is drivelling anything.



Sure there is some fluoride and some mercury, but lets get real ok?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to drink tap water
Yet, most people may not afford to drink bottled water, including making their teas and coffees, as well as cooking with bottled water.

Also, the con is in the fact that every one is being told that the governement somehow cares for the dental health of the population, while the population is being encouraged to drink fluoride tainted tap water, because it is "good" for the health of their teeth!

I believe that a very respected dental health specialist in your own country of Canada has spoken about the fluoride con!

So, we are lookinga at another CON JOB!



and the pros of vaccines FAR outweight the cons.
No one is getting injected with that stuff against their will and unknowingly for the sake of "science".

There are vaccines and there are vaccines. I have seen more than a few groundless scare tactics to "encourage" people to take vaccines. By the way, taking vaccines against flue is a con-job as well. We are told that it is no guarantee that we will not catch any flue if we take it, as there are so many strains of the virus around. So, many people take it and still catch flue, while the vaccine providers laugh all the way to the bank.

I have also read that vaccines can be produced without the harmful and mind numbing substances. So what goes?

Also, look at the child hood vaccines. where sometime up to more than dozen vaccines are injected into babies whose immune system is still developing. Many legit scientists have spoken against this!!!

Yet, it goes on. Apparently being chemically dumbed downed and turned into sick people is good for those who govern us!

[David Jamieson]

fluoride?

I can say that there is none in Canada's water.
But it is in toothpaste that is manufactired in teh states and I think it is in 5% of teh UK water system.

I don't know what the water fluoridation process is in the states, but I don't think it's widely used.

For what it's worth, nobody may force you to drink water from your tap, but you are indeed forced to pay for it.

[Hardwork108]

fluoride?

I can say that there is none in Canada's water.

That may be because the cruel and heartless Canadian government does not care about the "dental health" of its population, but the caring US government, who cares so much that went to the other side of the world to "liberate" 100s of thousands of Iraqi citizens from the rule of Saddam Hussain, by liberating them from their physical bodies, cares about the "dental health" of its citizens.

Allowing poisons such as Aspartame into the food chain was another caring gesture from the US government, which throughout history has been filled with limitless love for its population, and the world at large.



I think it is in 5% of teh UK water system.
I am led to believe that it is more than 5%, but if what you say was true, it would be due to the fact that there is a lot of opposition to putting Fluoride into our drinking water.

Some people say that Hitler and Stalin used Fluoride in the water supplies of the concetnration camps to create a more doscile prisoners....



For what it's worth, nobody may force you to drink water from your tap, but you are indeed forced to pay for it.
Well, some of us have no choice but to use it for bathing purposes.:D

[KC Elbows]

Here I go... fact-checking for someone else again...

"AIDS was first clinically observed between late 1980 and early 1981.[165] Injection drug users and gay men with no known cause of impaired immunity showed symptoms of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), a rare opportunistic infection that was known to present itself in people with very compromised immune systems.[166][167][168] Soon thereafter, additional gay men developed a previously-rare skin cancer called Kaposi’s sarcoma (KS).[169][170] Many more cases of PCP and KS quickly emerged, alerting U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). A CDC task force was formed to monitor the outbreak. After recognizing a pattern of anomalous symptoms presenting themselves in patients, the task force named the condition acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).[171]

In 1983, two separate research groups led by Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier independently declared that a novel retrovirus may have been infecting AIDS patients, and published their findings in the same issue of the journal Science.[172][173] Gallo claimed that a virus his group had isolated from an AIDS patient was strikingly similar in shape to other human T-lymphotropic viruses (HTLVs) his group had been the first to isolate. Gallo's group called their newly isolated virus HTLV-III. At the same time, Montagnier's group isolated a virus from a patient presenting lymphadenopathy (swelling of the lymph nodes) of the neck and physical weakness, two classic symptoms of AIDS. Contradicting the report from Gallo's group, Montagnier and his colleagues showed that core proteins of this virus were immunologically different from those of HTLV-I. Montagnier's group named their isolated virus lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV).[171] HIV was chosen as a compromise between the two claims (LAV and HTLV-III)."


So...like I was saying, they were still trying to figure it out in the early 80s...

As you said, in '83 the link between HIV and AIDS was pointed out.

In 1985, Bayer was selling the tainted product.

And, as I said, it also had hepatitis in it, which was a better known disease.

Is it so hard to say that, if true, whoever made the decision was a criminal and should not get a free ride because they managed to keep a lid on it for thirty years?

[notanexit]

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Fluoride in the tap water, Mercury in vaccines, dude...
Sure there is some fluoride and some mercury, but lets get real ok?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to drink tap water and the pros of vaccines FAR outweight the cons.
So you admit that we're being poisoned, but its no big deal?Are you saying its just a little poison so it makes it okay?If I put a little cyanide in your coffee you'll still drink it?Mercury and flouride are poisonous and it shouldn't be in tap water,vaccines,or anything else we consume.Instead of asking why is it there,or who put it there,you just blow it off.

[sanjuro_ronin]

So you admit that we're being poisoned, but its no big deal?Are you saying its just a little poison so it makes it okay?If I put a little cyanide in your coffee you'll still drink it?Mercury and flouride are poisonous and it shouldn't be in tap water,vaccines,or anything else we consume.Instead of asking why is it there,or who put it there,you just blow it off.

In one paragraph you just showed why no one takes people with your views seriously.
And if you don't understand it, I suggest you volunteer for "doctor's without borders" or the red cross or any of those groups that go around the world and see for YOURSELF the reality of no vaccines and no flouride.
Guess what? some of US have done that in one way or another.

To quote a dear friend of mine that was a medic in the army with me and is now part of Doc without borders:
Just be grateful you live in a country where you have the LUXURY to argue and debate about these things.

[David Jamieson]

first of all... the whole mercury thing.

which tin foil hat boy can answer this:

what kind of mercury is in vaccines? Mercury nitrate; Mercury oxide; Mercury sulfide; Mercury selenide; Mercury telluride; Merthiolate?

ok ill tell you, it's Merthiolate or more accurately Thiomersal.
It's use is controversial and it is in fact being phased out of children vaccinations in teh US.

however, it is a known and established antiseptic and anti -fungal preservative that is important for vaccine distribution.

I woudl urge anyone to look it up and read more about it as opposed to think that someone is shooting thermometer guts in your babies ass.
which is wrong. :D

[Hardwork108]

first of all... the whole mercury thing.

which tin foil hat boy can answer this:

what kind of mercury is in vaccines? Mercury nitrate; Mercury oxide; Mercury sulfide; Mercury selenide; Mercury telluride; Merthiolate?

ok ill tell you, it's Merthiolate or more accurately Thiomersal.
It's use is controversial and it is in fact being phased out of children vaccinations in teh US.

Is the vaccine being phased out because it is good for children? Why isn't it being phased out for adults? Is it because the negative effects in adults is easier to hide and attribute to other factors?

Why are we being "sold" vaccines in every opportunity that the govenrment gets, through scare tactics or impending epidemics and doom?


however, it is a known and established antiseptic and anti -fungal preservative that is important for vaccine distribution.
Household bleach will probably have some of those qualities...


I woudl urge anyone to look it up and read more about it as opposed to think that someone is shooting thermometer guts in your babies ass.
which is wrong. :D

Many medical professionals are against multi vaccines that given to babies (for naturally occuring diseases that will fortify their immune systems in accordance to human biological evolutionary development), whose parents' are scared into accepting them!!!

Some said components of vaccines:

Aluminium

Thimerosal: A preservative and a MERCURY derivative.

Phosphate

Forlmaldehyde

Look them up. No vaccine producer is going to come and tell you that their vaccines are harmful to health and are mind numbing, nor will the government, who in one way or the other accomplices as well as, in the lower levels, hood winked!

[notanexit]

In one paragraph you just showed why no one takes people with your views seriously.
And if you don't understand it, I suggest you volunteer for "doctor's without borders" or the red cross or any of those groups that go around the world and see for YOURSELF the reality of no vaccines and no flouride.
Guess what? some of US have done that in one way or another.

To quote a dear friend of mine that was a medic in the army with me and is now part of Doc without borders:
Just be grateful you live in a country where you have the LUXURY to argue and debate about these things.I was speaking of the mercury in the vaccines.You admitted to mercury being in vaccines.So you are saying that mercury in vaccines are okay.Flouride is a by product copper,iron,and aluminum manufacturing.I know you where told by the t.v. that its good for you,but studies show that it isn't.I suggest you do your own studies,research,have an open mind,and try to question what the t.v. tells you.No sir,it is my RIGHT as a HUMAN BEING to argue and debate about these things,luxuries are given and can be taken away.

[Lucas]

I vote we go back to bleeding people and pressing witches....you cant trust witches.

[Hardwork108]

I would humbly suggest that many people start looking outside the box and beyond their emotional comfort zones.

There is a lot of evil in the world that we live in, and most of this evil is hiding inside sheep's clothing, that is, behind leaders and organizations that we trust, and even when there is evidence to suggest that things are not how they seem, many members of the population refuse to see outside of their "programming", and start convincing themselves that the evidence is circumstancial, "fake" or a conspiracy "theory".

Then the insults and the jokes come out, aimed at anyone who is trying to indicate that things are not what they seem, and that we all live, as victims, or potential victims, in a world run by psychopaths. In short, we have a society that self censores itself, out of closed mindedness and/or fear of coming out of an emotional comfort zone, and seeing the truth for what it is!!!

ON the plus side, many people are waking up, so I guess we can look ahead to "interesting" times.....:)