GOP: likes dressing up as nazis?

[David Jamieson]

wtf? I thought they thought democrats were nazis?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019126-503544.html


Rich Iott, the Tea Party-supported GOP nominee for Congress in Ohio's 9th District, is part of a group that likes to don German Waffen SS uniforms and participate Nazi re-enactments, Atlantic journalist Josh Green revealed on Real Time with Bill Maher.

The group, called Wiking, acts out exploits from the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking, an actual Nazi division, which fought on the Eastern Front during World War II .

Iott, who confirms his involvement with the group, denies any belief in the principles of Nazism.

"It's purely historical interest in World War II," he told the Atlantic.

Iott can't remember when he joined the group, although his name appears on a group roster from 2003. He says he participated in the group with his son "as a father-son bonding thing."

While Iott neglects to address Jewish voters he might have offended, he does address veterans in an e-mail to the Atlantic: "Never, in any of my reenacting of military history, have I meant any disrespect to anyone who served in our military or anyone who has been affected by the tragedy of war. In fact, I have immense respect for veterans who served our country valiantly, and my respect of the military and our veterans is one of the reasons I have actively studied military history throughout my life."

Incidentally, there is no longer any mention of Iott -- also a member of the NRCC's Young Guns Program -- on the Wiking website and all photographs of the Congressional candidate have been removed.

[BJJ-Blue]

Dude, it's re-enacting history. While it may have been a stupid move politically, it's really nothing more than that. Civil War re-enacting is popular here too. Does that mean everyone involved in that who wears a gray uniform is for bringing back slavery?

I seem to reacall when Obama dressed up in that Arab garb awhile back the liberals told people who were uspet over that that it was no big deal.

[David Jamieson]

Dude, it's re-enacting history. While it may have been a stupid move politically, it's really nothing more than that. Civil War re-enacting is popular here too. Does that mean everyone involved in that who wears a gray uniform is for bringing back slavery?

I seem to reacall when Obama dressed up in that Arab garb awhile back the liberals told people who were uspet over that that it was no big deal.

do a little reading on what they re-enact.
do a little reading on 5 ss panzer division.

confederates in N/S CW re-enactments usually understand they portray the losing side.

ss 5 panzer division re-enactments are about celebrations of their victories.

It's a fine line.

as for the Obama thing, he wasn't re-enacting anything, he was wearing clothes of the culture he was in at the time. People jump on someone with a robe and a head piece for almost no reason at all and I believe a lot of teh jabs were coming from the "he's a muslim" panic centre. lol

[BJJ-Blue]

do a little reading on what they re-enact.
do a little reading on 5 ss panzer division.

confederates in N/S CW re-enactments usually understand they portray the losing side.

Are you saying this guy was doing re-enacting, and that in his version the Nazis win WWII? :confused:


ss 5 panzer division re-enactments are about celebrations of their victories.

Can you prove that?

[David Jamieson]

Are you saying this guy was doing re-enacting, and that in his version the Nazis win WWII? :confused:



Can you prove that?

read aboutthe group, read about what they enact. read about wiking (the real one)
dude, I'm not going to do yoru research for you, but if you want to have a lazy mind and wait for your fail to be handed to you, then that's fine too. It's your ignorance that will grow. :)

[solo1]

the group is a WW2 re-enactment group , typical of the Democrats take something completely out of context and try to make something of nothing. Maybe next they will take a guys speech and replay parts of it to sell "his radical fundementalist idealolgy in Central florida" wait thats already been done.

[Drake]

So the people who play the Confederates during Civil War reenactments are racist slave-owners?

[solo1]

only if the democrats say you are. Repeat a lie long enough.....

[solo1]

read aboutthe group, read about what they enact. read about wiking (the real one)
dude, I'm not going to do yoru research for you, but if you want to have a lazy mind and wait for your fail to be handed to you, then that's fine too. It's your ignorance that will grow. :)

there are several groups that re-enact battles that try to demonstrate what WOULD have happened if certain events were changed. There is a series of historical books called " What if" , historians take pivotal historical events and discuss the outcomes if events were changed. What if the US didnt save the French. What if Archduke Ferdinand had not died from his injuries. whats the problem?

[Drake]

I'm just sayin'... I checked out the website, and in at least two places, they let people know this is not a place for nazi ideology or racist behavior.

The Germans were the last truly well organized conventional ground force we fought. The soldiers were well-trained and their leaders were brilliant tacticians. They thought similar to us, and many of our tactics were derived from European methodologies. Many Americans also have German ancestry. Of course there will be interest. We didn't really want to fight Germany in WWII.

The Germans I have met over the years are wonderful people. They don't hide the atrocities that happened, but you can't blame them any longer. It's messed up to deny them historical significance over one dark period, eecially when we've had our own.

And they are reenacting a small unit that likely had no idea the concentration camps even existed. Put it into perspective.

[BJJ-Blue]

dude, I'm not going to do yoru research for you, but if you want to have a lazy mind and wait for your fail to be handed to you, then that's fine too. It's your ignorance that will grow. :)

So now I'm supposed to source both my arguments AND your arguments as well? A gleaming example of the liberal welfare mentality.

Just back up your assertions and show everyone my "lazy mind" and "ignorance". Oh wait, you cant. :D

[BJJ-Blue]

And I'm still waiting for you to answer one simple question I asked you almost two weeks ago now. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

there are several groups that re-enact battles that try to demonstrate what WOULD have happened if certain events were changed. There is a series of historical books called " What if" , historians take pivotal historical events and discuss the outcomes if events were changed. What if the US didnt save the French. What if Archduke Ferdinand had not died from his injuries. whats the problem?

I love that stuff, personally. Who wouldn't?

[BJJ-Blue]

I love that stuff, personally. Who wouldn't?

Ah, but if you play as the Germans in Axis and Allies that means you are a racist, anti-Semitic Nazi.

[David Jamieson]

keep patting yourselves on the back you smug hopeless fools.

reason it out so that eventually you will feel comfortable with the inequity of it. :)

such is the folly of sheep. :p

[Drake]

keep patting yourselves on the back you smug hopeless fools.

reason it out so that eventually you will feel comfortable with the inequity of it. :)

such is the folly of sheep. :p

"You're stupid and I'm smart" is what I just read. This may have worked in 7th grade, but not in grown-up land. Either make a point or STFU.

[Drake]

For those who aren't behaving like kids...

"When asked if Iott knew of the atrocities associated with the SS, the candidate replied, "What happened in Germany during the second World War is absolutely one of the low points in human history. In fact ... [the website] talks about what happened and that we don't support that. We don't support the political or the ideological motives of that time. We're talking strictly about the history. It's important for us to remember that history."

[BJJ-Blue]

For those who aren't behaving like kids...

"When asked if Iott knew of the atrocities associated with the SS, the candidate replied, "What happened in Germany during the second World War is absolutely one of the low points in human history. In fact ... [the website] talks about what happened and that we don't support that. We don't support the political or the ideological motives of that time. We're talking strictly about the history. It's important for us to remember that history."

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' -George Santayana

[David Jamieson]

For those who aren't behaving like kids...

"When asked if Iott knew of the atrocities associated with the SS, the candidate replied, "What happened in Germany during the second World War is absolutely one of the low points in human history. In fact ... [the website] talks about what happened and that we don't support that. We don't support the political or the ideological motives of that time. We're talking strictly about the history. It's important for us to remember that history."

and you except that?

it's an empty platitude with no back up.

"strictly about the history"?

No, no they are not. You are being lied to and you accept it.

wonderful.

[solo1]

your absolutly right. a guy that does WW2 re-enactments is a Nazi sympathiser. Ok you win can we end this inspid thread?

[David Jamieson]

"You're stupid and I'm smart" is what I just read. This may have worked in 7th grade, but not in grown-up land. Either make a point or STFU.

I made my point. It was quite clear, if all you got out of it was that you are stupid or you feel like you're stupid, then too bad.

It's not my job to make certain you are in touch with reality.

That's your job. :)

[David Jamieson]

your absolutly right. a guy that does WW2 re-enactments is a Nazi sympathiser. Ok you win can we end this inspid thread?

you are softening it quite a lot arent you. YOu have tried to reduce it to "ww2 reenactments" instead of saying what they really are.

Do you know what the SS were? They weren't regular German army guys.

But then, you seem to be one of those people who think that the USA won ww2 and saved France which is not exactly the truth at all is it.

I wonder what it is they are teaching you folks down there and I also wonder about retention of that "Education".

It's quite remarkable reading your comments in context to this. :)

[BJJ-Blue]

I made my point.

No you didn't. You made a bunch of ridiculous assertions and when challenged to back them up you couldn't.

[David Jamieson]

No you didn't. You made a bunch of ridiculous assertions and when challenged to back them up you couldn't.

I did back them up. You are the lazy minded one here who insists that people hand you data on a silver platter instead of getting off your lazy ass and refuting my assertion.

You choose to be lazy and say whatever rot it is you decide to spew out about not being satisfied with explanations either in a succinct form or in a long winded form. I don't intent to waste much time.

seriously, do your fecking homework. SS, just google "SS"

then "SS panzer" Then "SS Panzer 5th division"

read, absorb, understand.

It really is that simple. :)

[solo1]

Dave your getting harsh. Yes we all know what the SS was and what it was all about. By your measure anyone wearing the uniform for what ever reason is guilty by association. didnt Mel Brooks wear the same uniform in "Springtime for Hitler"? Hes jewish correct, does that mean he sold out all jews because he put on a Nazi uniform for a ridiculous play in 1968? of course not by the same extension to assume a guy doing re-enactments is a Nazi sympathiser for wearing a uniform is dull.



Oh and by the way We did win WW2 and we did liberate the French.

[BJJ-Blue]

I did back them up. You are the lazy minded one here who insists that people hand you data on a silver platter instead of getting off your lazy ass and refuting my assertion.

Maybe I missed it then. I'll repost your assertions. Be sure and back them up.


ss 5 panzer division re-enactments are about celebrations of their victories.

Please back that one up.


"strictly about the history"?

No, no they are not. You are being lied to and you accept it.

And this one too.

And can you please do it without name-calling?

[BJJ-Blue]

You just gotta love the hypocracy here.

The liberals are all up in arms because a Republican wore an SS uniform at a historical re-enactment. But yet they defended a Democrat who wore the robes of an Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan and spewed racist rhetoric.

[David Jamieson]

Maybe I missed it then. I'll repost your assertions. Be sure and back them up.



Please back that one up.



And this one too.

And can you please do it without name-calling?

name calling?

:rolleyes:

lol

[BJJ-Blue]

Gee David, you sure have been ducking my questions alot lately.

It must be real embarrassing to have such a "lazy minded" person ask you questions you cannot answer.

[David Jamieson]

Gee David, you sure have been ducking my questions alot lately.

It must be real embarrassing to have such a "lazy minded" person ask you questions you cannot answer.

you haven't asked any questions. once again, your lame tactic is obfuscation and running away from the meat of the topic in favour of trapsing off somewhere else in a seemingly desperate attempt to not address the myriad queries that have been leveled at you.

And the questions you do ask are unrelated. You are too quick to try and dissolve that which is problematic to you and to make these little and tired attempts at diverging a topic.

so, you read up on the SS?what it was and what it stood for? and why it is innappropriate for any modern government member to be playing around like a nazi tank commander?

have you? do you understand? You are making it all too clear that you fail to understand this ONE salient point about the post. ONE.

[BJJ-Blue]

you haven't asked any questions.

You're lying. Plain and simple.

But just for you, I'll post it yet again:

Why are rich, educated blue States like New York and California teetering on bankruptcy while uneducated, redneck red States like Mississippi and Alabama and Texas are not in that same boat?

[David Jamieson]

You're lying. Plain and simple.

But just for you, I'll post it yet again:

Why are rich, educated blue States like New York and California teetering on bankruptcy while uneducated, redneck red States like Mississippi and Alabama and Texas are not in that same boat?

I answered you Einstein. Look up.

I thought you were a little smarter than that, what with you actually being able to type and all.

I guess I was wrong.

By the way, I haven't lied anywhere in these forums. Disagreeing with you and your neo-con propaganda agenda isn't lying, it's refuting your absolute garbage and fascist stance on all things politic.

[BJJ-Blue]

I answered you Einstein. Look up.

You're lying. Again.

If you answered it, please direct me to your answer. Once you do, I'll owe you an apology.

[David Jamieson]

You're lying. Again.

If you answered it, please direct me to your answer. Once you do, I'll owe you an apology.

I don't need an apology from you, and I'm not going to direct you to an answer in the same thread.

I cannot help it if you are stunted in the areas that you are stunted in.

I really don't have much time to give the likes of you except to slap your stupid down when I feel like it.

thanks for continuing to be so stupid. It gives me something to do while i process more important stuff. :D

[BJJ-Blue]

Keep lying. And ducking a simple question.

[David Jamieson]

Keep lying. And ducking a simple question.

crrrrr *click* crrrrrrr *click*

You got nothing, do you?

lol, typical MO of you. "I will just repeat garbage until nobody notices."

Dude, nobody reads your stuff. lol

I'm only here to have you blather on while making counterpoints that refute your little minded rants about subjects you clearly know next to nothing outside of foxnews viewpoints about.

seriously, no one cares. If they did, you'd already be in a better country. :p

By the way, I find it extremely ironic that you have a Thoreau quote in your sig line. YOu must think that Walden was a narrow economic commentary when it is in fact widely acknowledged as a social work and in fact was a pocket book for socialism in Britain in teh early 20th and late 19th centuries.

I am thinking you thought it was safe to have such a thing as Thoreau is superficially recognized as being a writer before there was any real socialism in practice. Still...interesting if not somewhat revealing of of where you lack. That being depth of understanding on most of these subjects you go on about.

[BJJ-Blue]

You got nothing, do you?

Just a simple question you lack the ability to answer.

[David Jamieson]

Just a simple question you lack the ability to answer.

Ok idiot who can't use te previous page button, so about your nazi pals.

you still gonna apologize for a gop dude dressing up and playing nazis and be all apologetic for that stuff?

this thread is about Iott and his gross and incompetent mistake, which even he knows was wrong because he had it removed by request and was all apologetic about it.

so if the character in question ADMITS he is wrong, you are going to insist he was right anyway?

That makes you an idiot. Understand idiot? :p

[BJJ-Blue]

I don't have to apologize for someone doing a historical re-enactment.

But since your Party is looking like they are going to get clobbered in the upcoming elections, they keep bringing up garbage like this instead of discussing relevant topics in this country, like the economy.

[BJJ-Blue]

Ok idiot who can't use te previous page button, so about your nazi pals.

Gee, more name-calling. :rolleyes:

You can always tell when a leftist is losing the argument, they either call names, play the race card, or both. Good to see you sticking to the playbook though, makes it easier for free thinkers like me to embarrass you.

[David Jamieson]

Gee, more name-calling. :rolleyes:

You can always tell when a leftist is losing the argument, they either call names, play the race card, or both. Good to see you sticking to the playbook though, makes it easier for free thinkers like me to embarrass you.

hahahahahahahaha "free thinker" YOU are not foxnews nazi boy.

you haven't had a free thought in your short life.

whatever, it seems that the tactic you prefer has been used on you and now your vagina is showing.

so be it. :p

[BJJ-Blue]

you haven't had a free thought in your short life.

I came up with a question you can't handle. So what does that make you?

[SanHeChuan]

http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/comics/2010-08-19-Wrestler-for-Office.png

[Drake]

Ok idiot who can't use te previous page button, so about your nazi pals.

you still gonna apologize for a gop dude dressing up and playing nazis and be all apologetic for that stuff?

this thread is about Iott and his gross and incompetent mistake, which even he knows was wrong because he had it removed by request and was all apologetic about it.

so if the character in question ADMITS he is wrong, you are going to insist he was right anyway?

That makes you an idiot. Understand idiot? :p

So people who play the Confederates during reenactments all endorse slavery and discrimination?

Maybe you think the German side should be played by trained chimpanzees?

Are you suggesting that anyone who plays the German side during a reenactment is a Nazi sympathizer? What about a Jewish history enthusiast who plays as a Confederate? A confused evil guy?

Answer the questions. If you can't, it's a short step to determine who the idiot is.

Answer the questions. Don't dodge them.

[David Jamieson]

So people who play the Confederates during reenactments all endorse slavery and discrimination?

Maybe you think the German side should be played by trained chimpanzees?

Are you suggesting that anyone who plays the German side during a reenactment is a Nazi sympathizer? What about a Jewish history enthusiast who plays as a Confederate? A confused evil guy?

Answer the questions. If you can't, it's a short step to determine who the idiot is.

Answer the questions. Don't dodge them.

People who play successful SS Panzer divisions is a nazi sympathizer.

Do you understand the difference between Wermacht and SS or Einsatzgruppen?

I don't think you do. I don't think 1badbluebj understands either and hence both of your feigned credulity regarding Iott and his apparent skeleton.

If you did, as I suggested with the original post when I said you should read about SS Wiking, then maybe you would understand why your follow up challenges regarding the only thing you can conceptualize, that being your own countries history, is how all confederates were slave owners( a wrong perception).

So you tell me how you see this particular incident as opposed to making really strange attempts at shouting louder on a forum.

ps: Wermacht is regular army, who of course have indeed been accused of war crimes, but the holocaust was carried out by the political armies of nazi germany. The SS. Do you understand why what Iott did was wrong yet?

feel like an idiot yet? :rolleyes:

[Drake]

People who play successful SS Panzer divisions is a nazi sympathizer.

Do you understand the difference between Wermacht and SS or Einsatzgruppen?

I don't think you do. I don't think 1badbluebj understands either and hence both of your feigned credulity regarding Iott and his apparent skeleton.

If you did, as I suggested with the original post when I said you should read about SS Wiking, then maybe you would understand why your follow up challenges regarding the only thing you can conceptualize, that being your own countries history, is how all confederates were slave owners( a wrong perception).

So you tell me how you see this particular incident as opposed to making really strange attempts at shouting louder on a forum.

ps: Wermacht is regular army, who of course have indeed been accused of war crimes, but the holocaust was carried out by the political armies of nazi germany. The SS. Do you understand why what Iott did was wrong yet?

feel like an idiot yet? :rolleyes:

So who plays the Germans during reenactments? And don't try to correct me about my own history, because I already know it. I'm sorry you don't have your own.

Who-plays-the-Germans-during-reenactments, and-does-that-make-them-nazis-for-doing-so?

[David Jamieson]

So who plays the Germans during reenactments? And don't try to correct me about my own history, because I already know it. I'm sorry you don't have your own.

Who-plays-the-Germans-during-reenactments, and-does-that-make-them-nazis-for-doing-so?

Ok, so Drake, you have a cognitive disorder it seems.

so you're ok with re-enactments of the holocaust then it seems. How about where ss members smash babies against trees and walls to kill them? Who plays that role?
Shooting jews, blacks and h0m0sexuals, who gets to role play that?

You clearly did not comprehend the gravity of what I posted previously, therefore, you are incapable of continuing the conversation with me until you become a little older and wiser I guess.

You're just a kid and you don't know much at all. Nuff said.

[Drake]

Ok, so Drake, you have a cognitive disorder it seems.

so you're ok with re-enactments of the holocaust then it seems. How about where ss members smash babies against trees and walls to kill them? Who plays that role?
Shooting jews, blacks and h0m0sexuals, who gets to role play that?

You clearly did not comprehend the gravity of what I posted previously, therefore, you are incapable of continuing the conversation with me until you become a little older and wiser I guess.

You're just a kid and you don't know much at all. Nuff said.

Insults. Awesome.

You still are failing at the grownup part. These guys aren't doing what you just brought up, are they? NO. Therefore, your post is meaningless. They are reenacting WWII battles. Explain to me how being part of a reenactment equates you as being the people you are reenacting.

You keep referring to some false emotional argument that doesn't exist. You ignore the fact that they say they are doing this for historical purposes only. You ignore the fact that they are against anything having to do with the holocaust. You disregard public statements, private statements, and the overwhelming evidence that points to the fact that these guys were just doing historical reenactments.

All you're doing is coming on here, making wild, unbased assertions, and insulting and degrading anyone who disagrees with you. What in the hell is wrong with you?

[David Jamieson]

Insults. Awesome.

You still are failing at the grownup part. These guys aren't doing what you just brought up, are they? NO. Therefore, your post is meaningless. They are reenacting WWII battles. Explain to me how being part of a reenactment equates you as being the people you are reenacting.

You keep referring to some false emotional argument that doesn't exist. You ignore the fact that they say they are doing this for historical purposes only. You ignore the fact that they are against anything having to do with the holocaust. You disregard public statements, private statements, and the overwhelming evidence that points to the fact that these guys were just doing historical reenactments.

All you're doing is coming on here, making wild, unbased assertions, and insulting and degrading anyone who disagrees with you. What in the hell is wrong with you?

whatever dude. If you're going to whine when it is indicated that you are lacking. Then so be it.

YOu don't know what you are talking about and are in fact by proxy supporting exactly what you say you aren't.

go talk out of the side of your mouth all day why don't you.

frankly, you deserve the insults and so does your pal badbj.

foolish young men with no sense of decency or history.

You're on your own.

[Drake]

I'll just go ahead and take that as you have no idea what you're talking about and will continue to dodge questions in the future.

[MasterKiller]

In Call of Duty, I always play the Axis. I just love shooting up all those **** Brits. :D

[Drake]

In Call of Duty, I always play the Axis. I just love shooting up all those **** Brits. :D

In Civilization games, I always make a point, no matter who I play, to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki the first chance I get. Guess that makes me evil, too. :D

[BJJ-Blue]

Do you understand the difference between Wermacht and SS or Einsatzgruppen?

Yes, I was a Histoty major in college. I actually understood the difference before I was in Junior High.


I don't think you do. I don't think 1badbluebj understands either and hence both of your feigned credulity regarding Iott and his apparent skeleton.

You think wrong.

And you duck questions.


So you tell me how you see this particular incident as opposed to making really strange attempts at shouting louder on a forum.

Please answer the questions asked of you instead of calling people names on a forum.


so you're ok with re-enactments of the holocaust then it seems. How about where ss members smash babies against trees and walls to kill them? Who plays that role?
Shooting jews, blacks and h0m0sexuals, who gets to role play that?

I saw the movie "Defiance" and it had very graphic scenes of Nazi brutality. So were the actors playing the Nazi soldiers, Gestapo agents, and SS soldiers racist, anti-Semite, Nazi sempathizers in real life?

[BJJ-Blue]

In Call of Duty, I always play the Axis. I just love shooting up all those **** Brits. :D

Then by Jamieson's logic, you are a Nazi in real life.

[Dragonzbane76]

just a random thought but i bet this gets closed shortly. :p

[Drake]

just a random thought but i bet this gets closed shortly. :p

Nah. MK doesn't have the BALLZ for that.

[BJJ-Blue]

just a random thought but i bet this gets closed shortly. :p

Jamieson got one closed yesterday with his repeated name-calling, and I think he is aiming to get this one closed today.

When he gets stumped or is losing a debate, he does this every time.

[David Jamieson]

you're a history major now? wow! and yet, your posts indicate that you actually do not understand the difference between regular german army and the political armies and their roles.

I don't have issues at the core with re-enactment.

I do have issues with Nazi sympathizers (who know it or they would stand by their larping wouldn't they now?) that deliberately choose to represent the political armies and hold them up as something of merit.

[BJJ-Blue]

you're a history major now?

No, my post clearly stated I WAS a History major.


wow! and yet, your posts indicate that you actually do not understand the difference between regular german army and the political armies and their roles.

Only to you.


Are you gonna answer mine and Drake's questions on this topic or not?

Just for you, I'll repeat mine:

I saw the movie "Defiance" and it had very graphic scenes of Nazi brutality. So were the actors playing the Nazi soldiers, Gestapo agents, and SS soldiers racist, anti-Semite, Nazi sympathizers in real life?