"Master Wong's Wing Chun" - Opinions?

[Violent Designs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fxnQGfXiQ&feature=channel

I'm sure I'm not the only person who's seen this Wong sifu from the U.K.

Anyone know his lineage or background?

Just curious.

[SAAMAG]

I like him...he's funny.

[TenTigers]

I like alot of his stuff, and I especially like his delivery-funny as ****!
I'm not sure exactly where he's coming from-is he being funny, is he trying to reach a specific audience? Is he starting a cult?
In all honesty, I don't think you have to use offensive language, or street language, to show how "street tough" Gung-Fu is. I much prefer the Scholar Warrior approach.
There are plenty of guys out there teaching who are pretty hardcore and are also refined in their presentation, which I believe shows TCMA in a better light.


btw-Randy Williams is also funny-"Fuk'em if he can't take a jut!"

[goju]

i heard he is supposed to be from the wsl lineage

[Dave McKinnon]

I like how he switches back and forth between broken English and a funny British accent.

Dave

[duende]

i heard he is supposed to be from the wsl lineage

Bwahahaha!!!

That's too funny

[TenTigers]

I like how he switches back and forth between broken English and a funny British accent.

Dave
since HK was Brit owned, many HK people speak with "broken English-with an English accent"

[mjw]

I don't know but he seems to do a lot of drills off of the continuous punch drill from what I have seen.....

[Graham H]

i heard he is supposed to be from the wsl lineage


Correct!!! He has been a student of wsl since 1998.

He has also been trained by Hu Flung Dung and Po Kum Yung. I do believe he has taught your Teacher too......Sum Ting Wong.

[Sardinkahnikov]

he's like a cross between a shaolin monk and a bulgarian soccer coach, lol

[Paul T England]

From what I understnad he is not hong kong Chinese but from Vietnam or somewhere like that.

Although his physical skills are very good his wing chun lineage is unknown to most including me. He probably learnt off a lower level teacher in uk or from someone in mainland China as I think he has went there to study taiji and the like.

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk

[LoneTiger108]

I've only met him once, and he is a genuine 'character'! Very intense and very, very powerful. I think his WCK originates from Vietnam, but he has always avoided telling people who taught him! That has no purpose (he says) and it hasn't stopped him outselling practically everyones DVDs!

Good luck to the man as he obviously has money to spend and a message to promote :D

[Lindley]

He's a pretty sharp dresser...

[zuti car]

SLT

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8PitNrk-Wg

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwaC7gJJLF4


Chum Kiu

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5u1ct5VS2A

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZhpKpUJiA


Biu Jee

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeF8F_Be6Ls

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBrIuxxk8ec

[Liddel]

Correct!!! He has been a student of wsl since 1998.


Wow thats surprising. I got one of his DVDs from Amazon for free when i purchased 'the science of infighting' years ago. At face value - they are polar opposites.

Rather than rip on the guy ill just say, im not a fan !

Needless to say i traded the free DVD... actually for a jimmy page doco from a friend of a friend, man did i luck out on that one :cool: LOL

[couch]

Wow thats surprising. I got one of his DVDs from Amazon for free when i purchased 'the science of infighting' years ago. At face value - they are polar opposites.

Rather than rip on the guy ill just say, im not a fan !

Needless to say i traded the free DVD... actually for a jimmy page doco from a friend of a friend, man did i luck out on that one :cool: LOL

Graham was making a joke. From Wiki (note the birth and death dates):
Wong Shun Leung (黃淳樑; 8 May 1935 – 28 January 1997)[a] was a Chinese martial artist from Hong Kong who studied wing chun kung fu under Yip Man (葉問)[1] and is credited with training Bruce Lee.[2][3][4][5] Wong reportedly won at least 60, and perhaps over 100, street fights against martial artists of various styles.[3][6][7][8][9] Due to his reputation, he came to be known as 'Gong Sau Wong' (講手王 or 'King of Talking Hands').[3][7][10][11][12] Wong recorded one instructional film entitled Wing Chun: The science of in-fighting.[13]

[Liddel]

Thank F--k for that !

It was even more surprising Spencer mentioned his sales are huge.... who's buying that garbage ? i only got my hands on it because they were giving it away :o

[MysteriousPower]

I would like to see him take a kick from someone that is not his student.

[goju]

what speicifically did some of you guys not like about his videos? and i mean actual martial stuff not lineage nonsense and what have you.

[Liddel]

His application differs big time from the way i was taught for a start, but morover it breaks certain laws / ideas i personally have.

Body - hand unity, elbow position and behaviour and most important of all IMO the force he uses all seem to be the opposite to my Ving Tsun approach.

Two main things i had issue with were -
The timing he uses.... i find unresonable in fighting. Action vs reaction.
The Range he works from... less conducive to contact fighting which is the VT beast IMO.

Ive not met him nor sparred with him to feel what he has but thats the main reasons im not a fan.

I recognise im lucky in the fact i found a teacher that is on the same level as i am in terms of mindset and approach so i found Wongs way of articulating ideas and theory very poor.

But each to his own, if he helps anyone improve skill however small or great, fine.

[Christos WC]

Hello Guys,

Does anyone know Delta Wing Chun and its Sifu, Lakis Philippou. Does anyone have more information on lineage, system etc.
Just curious I am new in WC

[GlennR]

Hello Guys,

Does anyone know Delta Wing Chun and its Sifu, Lakis Philippou. Does anyone have more information on lineage, system etc.
Just curious I am new in WC


Its called google

[Lee Chiang Po]

Because his methods differ from what we might have been taught does not make it wrong. It could be that we are wrong. Wong is one tough charactor, and this leaves us with the question. Can you whip him?

[WingChunABQ]

I'll say this about him: he cracks me up.

[LoneTiger108]

Hello Guys,

Does anyone know Delta Wing Chun and its Sifu, Lakis Philippou. Does anyone have more information on lineage, system etc.
Just curious I am new in WC

Is this the same Sifu Lakis who taught in London, UK during the eighties/nineties??

http://www.deltawingchungungfuacademy.com/

[LoneTiger108]

Okay, yes it is him I just checked the photo gallery :)

Student of Moy Yat (?)

[Phil Redmond]

I think he's cool. A little off the hook but cool. Who cares where he learned from or if his methods don't match others. He's entertaining....:D

[Phil Redmond]

I like how he switches back and forth between broken English and a funny British accent.

Dave
Having done two tours of duty in Vietnam I detect a Vietnamese accent.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Having done two tours of duty in Vietnam I detect a Vietnamese accent.

To me it is only slight, but the way he puts his sentences together says so. Also, he looks Viet Whether or not he is.

[Phil Redmond]

SLT

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8PitNrk-Wg

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwaC7gJJLF4


Chum Kiu

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5u1ct5VS2A

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZhpKpUJiA


Biu Jee

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeF8F_Be6Ls

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBrIuxxk8ec

That says a lot. Thanks.

[Runlikehell]

To me it is only slight, but the way he puts his sentences together says so. Also, he looks Viet Whether or not he is.


Michael Wong originally came to England at the age of ten as a refugee from Vietnam.
http://www.everythingwingchun.com/michael-wong-wing-chun-dvds-s/50.htm

He could be descended from Chinese immigrants to Vietnam, given that his surname is 'Wong'.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.everythingwingchun.com/michael-wong-wing-chun-dvds-s/50.htm

He could be descended from Chinese immigrants to Vietnam, given that his surname is 'Wong'.
Very true, there were lots of Chinese in Vietnam.

[Christos WC]

Is this the same Sifu Lakis who taught in London, UK during the eighties/nineties??

http://www.deltawingchungungfuacademy.com/

Yes he is my friend do you have any information to provide me with on his lineage. I cannot find anywhere a source on his lineage. Any help or information would be much appreciated my friend.

Christos WC

[Christos WC]

Okay, yes it is him I just checked the photo gallery :)

Student of Moy Yat (?)

That is what is said on his videos but is this an objective source?

[Christos WC]

Is this the same Sifu Lakis who taught in London, UK during the eighties/nineties??

http://www.deltawingchungungfuacademy.com/

Do you know his school have you trained with him before?

[Peaceful Orchid]

Kind of ironic how he says, "If you do that you have big problem," right after he blocks the kick while looking down at it.

[WingChunABQ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3Pgv4GZM0

Seconds 11 - 15 of this video may be my favorite "Master Wong moment" ever.

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya3Pgv4GZM0

Seconds 11 - 15 of this video may be my favorite "Master Wong moment" ever.

Commercial cr(p

[WingChunABQ]

Commercial cr(p

Yes, but funny!

The rest of the video is a promotion for selling rattan rings, but those 4 seconds that I mentioned = worst flyswatter ever.

I think the video typefies the guy - he's a brazen self-promoter and is clearly interested in turning a buck through martial arts. I don't think his WC is particularly good (notice his poor shifting, for example). Still, it's hard to malign the guy when he's willing to goof around a little bit in his videos.

[k gledhill]

Yes, but funny!

The rest of the video is a promotion for selling rattan rings, but those 4 seconds that I mentioned = worst flyswatter ever.

I think the video typefies the guy - he's a brazen self-promoter and is clearly interested in turning a buck through martial arts. I don't think his WC is particularly good (notice his poor shifting, for example). Still, it's hard to malign the guy when he's willing to goof around a little bit in his videos.


Rattan rings ! dont get me started....he hasnt got a clue about VT. But then how would anyone know that ? A fool and his money, as they say.

hmm a dvd series "kill flies like the masters....! " Im on it ; )

[WingChunABQ]

One thing about rattan rings is certain (and this is clearly demonstrated by Master Wong): They make lousy flyswatters.

[Runlikehell]

Yes he is my friend do you have any information to provide me with on his lineage. I cannot find anywhere a source on his lineage. Any help or information would be much appreciated my friend.

Christos WC

It seems that his WC comes from the late Wong Shun Leung, according to one of their websites. No idea if he was a direct student of WSL though.

[ccwayne]

The forms(hardware) he plays are ok, but he does not do in the right way(software). Wing Chun is an internal style kung fu, mainly talking about softness, deflection and internal energy. Playing in softness is more difficult than in hardness. That's why it is kung fu suitable for ladies. He is a muscular man and cannot play softly. Also, mouth opening, breathing sound and the fist sound, are not good on kung fu form playing. Compared with PanNam, they look like very similar, but the ways are totally different. Also, comparing the hand motions and stance motions, you will get the answer from the questions above.

[PalmStriker]

Wong seems to be the new "Bruce Lee" of WC. Like the way he tears down the barriers and shows initiative in OP vid presentation. :)

[PalmStriker]

I would like to see him take a kick from someone that is not his student.
I would rather see him kick you. :D

[wingchunIan]

[QUOTE=k gledhill;1153606]Rattan rings ! dont get me started....he hasnt got a clue about VT. But then how would anyone know that ? A fool and his money, as they say.

hmm a dvd series "kill flies like the masters....! " Im on it ; )[/QUOTE

Kev mate have you not watched the classic enough times?? As a true master you have to be able to catch the fly with your chopsticks and release it un harmed :D

[ccwayne]

SLT

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8PitNrk-Wg

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwaC7gJJLF4


Chum Kiu

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5u1ct5VS2A

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZhpKpUJiA


Biu Jee

Master Wong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeF8F_Be6Ls

Pan Nam WC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBrIuxxk8ec

There are a lot of form playing demonstration on Utube. Do you think you can learn from that ? The answer is 'Mostly not'.

You can copy the motion(hardware) of the form playing in the utube, but you cannot get the right way(software) to use it. If the software applied correctly, great effectiveness can be achieved. Otherwise, effectiveness is greatly declined.

A student shows me the PanNam's(P) and Wxxx's(P) SLT, CK & BG on utube, and also about the using the hand to block the leg attack directly presented by Wxxx.

It is easy to break the arm by directly blocking the leg attack using arm. Leg power is serveral times than hands power, and it is 'force against force', violates the principle of the Internal style kung fu, 'deflection'. --> poor demonstration.

For the SLT, CK & BG, I can say W learns from the video rather from a sifu. NO matter he is muscular & strong, he cannot play softly. Also, breathing sound, fist sound & mouth opening violates internal style kung fu concept. Hand positioning and stance positioning are not correctly. You will agree what I say, if you compare the P and W vidoes in details.

[Runlikehell]

[QUOTE=k gledhill;1153606]Rattan rings ! dont get me started....he hasnt got a clue about VT. But then how would anyone know that ? A fool and his money, as they say.

hmm a dvd series "kill flies like the masters....! " Im on it ; )[/QUOTE

Kev mate have you not watched the classic enough times?? As a true master you have to be able to catch the fly with your chopsticks and release it un harmed :D

No. You only achieve true mastery when your internal energy creates a barrier around you, thereby stopping the fly from even going near you. :D

[lance]

From what I understnad he is not hong kong Chinese but from Vietnam or somewhere like that.

Although his physical skills are very good his wing chun lineage is unknown to most including me. He probably learnt off a lower level teacher in uk or from someone in mainland China as I think he has went there to study taiji and the like.

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk Paul , I agree with you too , I don ' t know his WC lineage either , but he ' s made instructional DVDs on taiji , JKD besides WC .
I just happened to have one of his DVDs , that ' s why on WC . People on this thread said that he learned from Sifu WSL for the WC , and other WC sifus as well besides Sifu WSL , so his WCK is probably is probably a combination of the 3 WCK sifus he learned from . I don ' t know about his JKD though . Watch if I ' m not mistaken he may even produce a DVD on MMA . but we ' ll see . I too wonder about this sifu too .