McDonalds given a waiver on Obamacare

[BJJ-Blue]

"Nearly a million workers won't get a consumer protection in the U.S. health reform law meant to cap insurance costs because the government exempted their employers.

Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which provided a list of exemptions, said it granted waivers in late September so workers with such plans wouldn't lose coverage from employers who might choose instead to drop health insurance altogether.

Without waivers, companies would have had to provide a minimum of $750,000 in coverage next year, increasing to $1.25 million in 2012, $2 million in 2013 and unlimited in 2014.

"The big political issue here is the president promised no one would lose the coverage they've got," says Robert Laszewski, chief executive officer of consulting company Health Policy and Strategy Associates. "Here we are a month before the election, and these companies represent 1 million people who would lose the coverage they've got.""

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2010-10-07-healthlaw07_ST_N.htm?csp=hf

Wow, so many of Obama's lies on Healthcare are on display. He said costs would go down, he was wrong. He said no one would lose their existing insurance, he was wrong. He said premiums would come down, he was wrong. Looks like the "Party of No" was right on the money. Looks like when you pass a bill you admit you didn't even bother to read, huge problems are coming.

And notice he gave McDonalds and other big businesses the waivers. What about small businesses who will have to drop workers? Will those thousands of small businesses get waivers too? Or do the liberals only exempt 'Big Business'?

[David Jamieson]

disinformation again?

lol

this is like the guy in china who goes home night after night and says to his wife "Chinese food again?"

:p

what I want to know is why do you post that crap here?

I only troll you because of these weird ass totally disconnected from reality messages about right wing political viewpoints in a freaking chinese martial arts community?

and the fact that you are oblivious to the weirdness of your behaviour is even more outstanding.

seriously dude, seek professional help.

[MasterKiller]

McDonald's is one of the leading lobbyists for allowing guest workers to cross the border because they want an unlimited supply of unskilled temporary workers that they don't have to pay minimum wage to or supply health insurance for.

Yay Capitalism!

[David Jamieson]

McDonald's is one of the leading lobbyists for allowing guest workers to cross the border because they want an unlimited supply of unskilled temporary workers that they don't have to pay minimum wage to or supply health insurance for.

Yay Capitalism!

And yet people love their McDonalds and keep filling their guts with their garbage and giving them their money.

yay capitalism indeed. consumers are part of the equation too.

[BJJ-Blue]

disinformation again?

Just shut up. If all you can do is deny legit sources and duck questions, why even post?

Maybe you can produce sources to prove I am spreading disinformation. Of course I figure I'll see pigs fly and unemployment fall below 8% before you source anything.

[BJJ-Blue]

McDonald's is one of the leading lobbyists for allowing guest workers to cross the border because they want an unlimited supply of unskilled temporary workers that they don't have to pay minimum wage to or supply health insurance for.

Yay Capitalism!

I thought Obama was the champion of the 'little guy'? Why did he grant that horrible, evil, greedy corporation a waiver then? I thought Obama promised 'Change'? He said he was gonna stand tough against lobbyists. What happened?

And I notice you didn't touch the fact that every promise they made about this bill is turning out to be a lie. You guys may hate me, but facts are facts.

[solo1]

Mcdonlads argument is they cannot afford to cover the health care of the hourly workers using the Obamacare model,they would be forced to drop coverage for these folks today. there are at least 50 large corps filing the same paperwork to get waivers. My understadning is these are not small mom and pop companies but Fortune 500 size comapnies. I expect to see many many more of these until the Obamacare model is still born.

[Drake]

Because McDonalds takes such good care of its employees, right?

And I'm afraid, DJ, that the liberals do not have ownership of TCMA. In fact, China is largely conservative in nature. But I doubt anyone understands the real meaning of "liberal" and "conservative". You know... like a liberal republican or a conservative democrat. All you PS rookies just lump them together and then wonder why you don't make any sense.

[BJJ-Blue]

Mcdonlads argument is they cannot afford to cover the health care of the hourly workers using the Obamacare model,they would be forced to drop coverage for these folks today. there are at least 50 large corps filing the same paperwork to get waivers. My understadning is these are not small mom and pop companies but Fortune 500 size comapnies. I expect to see many many more of these until the Obamacare model is still born.

I believe the plan is not to get people on private insurance. The plan is to force companies to drop employees, and to force the insurance companies out of business. Then people will be forced to look to Gov't for healthcare, ie single-payer socialized medicine. Time will tell...

As to the waivers, I truly believe once the elections are over (either the 2010 or the 2012 elections, but no later), the waivers will be dropped. The Democrats simply cannot have hundreds of thousands of low paid workers losing their heathcare less than a month before the election due to laws they passed. Thus the waivers were granted.

Remember guys, all throught the healthcare debate, the GOP was telling people that the costs would rise and thus people would be dropped by their employers/providers. We now know without a doubt that they were 100% correct. Yet people are still saying Obamacare is going to work. :rolleyes:

[MasterKiller]

I believe the plan is not to get people on private insurance. The plan is to force companies to drop employees, and to force the insurance companies out of business. Then people will be forced to look to Gov't for healthcare, ie single-payer socialized medicine. Time will tell...

http://volvospeed.com/Pics/Review/foil_hat.jpg

[BJJ-Blue]

As I said, time will tell.

I (and the GOP) was correct in the assertion that premiums would go up and that workers would indeed be dropped from their plans.

And so far we've been shown to be right in our predictions.

[Syn7]

you know, anyone who even plays this game is an idiot...

obama said what he needed to say to get elected and once elected the realities set in... truth is he cant stand against the lobbyists... he can stand against some, but not all... and anyone who believed the world was gonna change so drastically within a 4 year term is a complete moron...

i'd also like to add, anyone accusing somebody of being bad because they cant change everything in 4 years is just as big a moron...

you people get so caught up in words that you forget whats even real...

also it needs to be said that if he had less opposition he would get more done... you cant trip him up then point fingers and accuse him of falling on his own... thats blatant f@ggotry...

[BJJ-Blue]

also it needs to be said that if he had less opposition he would get more done...

Without opposition unemployment would likely be even higher. :eek:

And so would our debt. And so would the record number of Americans on food stamps.

Thankfully when November rolls around, he is going to have alot more oppostion.

[BJJ-Blue]

obama said what he needed to say to get elected and once elected the realities set in...

Namely the reality that socialism has never worked before.

[MasterKiller]

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6671/crazychristiansagainsto.jpg

[BJJ-Blue]

Since it passed we have found out that the cost estimates were off, it's actually going to cost TWICE what we were told, we've found that hundreds of thousands of workers would have lost coverage without waivers, and that premiums are indeed skyrocketing to pay for it.

People like Boehner, Rush, and me, etc who predicited this were dead right. But you go ahead and stand by the teleprompter reading community organizer.

Posting funny pictures won't change the facts.

[MasterKiller]

People like Boehner, Rush, and me, etc who predicited this were dead right. But you go ahead and stand by the teleprompter reading community organizer..


LOL at you comparing yourself to them. That's where you got it in the first place!

[BJJ-Blue]

LOL at you comparing yourself to them. That's where you got it in the first place!

Not hardly. Notice my link was a USAtoday link, not rushlimbaugh.com or Boehner's site, or a GOP site. Perhaps you have some links touting the successes of Obamacare? ;)

But we were ALL correct, so I guess I can compare myself to them in this instance. Good company indeed. Not to brag, but even without hearing them I knew it would fail, as socialism always does. I don't need anyone to tell me that one. History does a good job there.

[David Jamieson]

USA today....ok then. Nuff said there.

you ever had an original thought of your own there badbj?

[BJJ-Blue]

you ever had an original thought of your own there badbj?

Of course I do. Remember, I came up with a simple question all on my own that stumped you. ;)

I just use sources to back up my assertions.

[MasterKiller]

Of course I do. Remember, I came up with a simple question all on my own that stumped you. ;)

I just use sources to back up my assertions.


Really??? So who are the 'many'?

[David Jamieson]

Of course I do. Remember, I came up with a simple question all on my own that stumped you. ;)

I just use sources to back up my assertions.

you asked: how come blue states like California and New York are almost bankrupt while red states like Alabama, Mississippi and Texas (I think) are not.

I responded with the fact that you need to get a better understanding of geographical layout, population sizes and so on. You are talking about comparatively small states with two of the states that are huge economic engines for your entire country.

The only thing that stumped me was that you were not of the intelligence to be able to discern that simple fact.

By all means though, keep patting yourself on the back...No one else is going to. :rolleyes:

[BJJ-Blue]

I responded with the fact that you need to get a better understanding of geographical layout, population sizes and so on. You are talking about comparatively small states with two of the states that are huge economic engines for your entire country.

Ok, fair enough. So now please explain to me how those factors played into the fact that NY and CA are facing bankruptcy/bailouts while MI, AL, and TX are not.

And fyi, TX is not considered a "small state".

[BJJ-Blue]

The only thing that stumped me was that you were not of the intelligence to be able to discern that simple fact.

Oh, I have my own explanation/answer for the question. I just want to see what your explanation/answer is.

I like to look at both sides of the issue. So since we disagree on alot of things, I want to see your thoughts on this.

[MasterKiller]

Ok, fair enough. So now please explain to me how those factors played into the fact that NY and CA are facing bankruptcy/bailouts while MI, AL, and TX are not.

And fyi, TX is not considered a "small state".

Texas (9th poorest state in USA)
Below poverty threshold in 2009: 17.2%
Below poverty threshold in 2008: 16.0%
Residents whose income fell below poverty threshold between 2008 and 2009: 358,673

Alabama (6th poorest state in USA)
Below poverty threshold in 2009: 17.5%
Below poverty threshold in 2008: 15.7%
Residents whose income fell below poverty threshold between 2008 and 2009: 93,478

Mississippi (Poorest state in the USA)
Below poverty threshold in 2009: 21.9%
Below poverty threshold in 2008: 21.4%
Residents whose income fell below poverty threshold between 2008 and 2009: 18,157

http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/acsbr09-1.pdf

[BJJ-Blue]

And yet those States are in alot better financial shape than NY and CA.

Can you explain why that is?

[BJJ-Blue]

And your source did show that poverty has grown in those States during the Obama Administration, correct?

Out of curiousity, how many of the 50 States did poverty grow during that time?

[MasterKiller]

And yet those States are in alot better financial shape than NY and CA.

Can you explain why that is?

Define "better financial shape."

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/12/1218_shortfall_states/index.htm

States in Worst Budget Trouble

Arizona
Rank: 1 (Previous Rank: 2*)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 30.80%
Total gap: $3.1 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $1.9 billion
Additional midyear gap: $1.2 billion

Nevada
Rank: 5 (Previous Rank: 4)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 19.60%
Total gap: $1.4 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $898 million
Additional midyear gap: $536 million

Alabama
Rank: 6 (Previous Rank: 7)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 15.00%
Total gap: $1.2 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $784 million
Additional midyear gap: $458 million

Georgia
Rank: 8 (No change)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 12.90%
Total gap: $2.7 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $245 million
Additional midyear gap: $2.5 billion

South Carolina
Rank: 10 (Previous Rank: 16)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 11.70%
Total gap: $804 million
Gap before budget was approved: $250 million
Additional midyear gap: $554 million

New York
Rank: 12 (Previous Rank: 6)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 11.40%
Total gap: $6.4 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $4.9 billion
Additional midyear gap: $1.7 billion

Granted, California is #2, but there are a lot of RED states between CA and NY.

[David Jamieson]

Economics change daily.

Long term kick in the pants stuff is survivable.

I don't think New York or California are going to collapse into themselves anytime soon.

They'll be fine.

Anyway, what's your short term observation that you're going to base your long term argument off of?

Oh that Obama, he's so bad! lol :rolleyes:

[BJJ-Blue]

Define "better financial shape."

The red States I mentioned are not facing bankruptcy and/or bailouts like CA and NY are.

[BJJ-Blue]

I don't think New York or California are going to collapse into themselves anytime soon.

They'll be fine.

We shall see.

If Brown wins CA's Governorship, they will be bankrupt before his term is up. If they elect Whitman, they have a chance.

NY will likely elect Cuomo, so their troubles should be getting worse.

And no, they won't collapse into themselves, whatever that means. I'm specifically talking about bankruptcy and/or bailouts.

[BJJ-Blue]

David, can you perhaps expand on that answer now?

I understand population sizes, demographics, geography, etc. I just want to see how YOU say those factors fit into the equation.

[MasterKiller]

The red States I mentioned are not facing bankruptcy and/or bailouts like CA and NY are.

Alabama
Rank: 6 (Previous Rank: 7)
Budget gap (as a % of the total budget): 15.00%
Total gap: $1.2 billion
Gap before budget was approved: $784 million
Additional midyear gap: $458 million

[BJJ-Blue]

MK, your source is basing this off 1 year's budget. Yes, Arizona has had a rough year. But CA and NY have been bleeding money for DECADES.

And notice Arizona is trying to fix their problems, and the Federal Government's responce is to sue them.

[MasterKiller]

MK, your source is basing this off 1 year's budget. Yes, Arizona has had a rough year. But CA and NY have been bleeding money for DECADES. But....CA has had a Republican govenor for years...What gives?


And notice Arizona is trying to fix their problems, and the Federal Government's responce is to sue them.

Well, if that's your argument, you do realize that Texas is #3 in the nation in handing out welfare, right behind CA and NY, right?

[BJJ-Blue]

But....CA has had a Republican govenor for years...What gives?

He actually fixed some of the problems. Under his Democrat predecessor, they didn't even have reliable electricity!


Well, if that's your argument, you do realize that Texas is #3 in the nation in handing out welfare, right behind CA and NY, right?

The Federal lawsuit has nothing to do with welfare.

[MasterKiller]

MK, your source is basing this off 1 year's budget. Yes, Arizona has had a rough year. .

Arizona
Rank: 1 (Previous Rank: 2*)

This is more than a one-year trend. And Alabama is 6th.

[MasterKiller]

He actually fixed some of the problems. Under his Democrat predecessor, they didn't even have reliable electricity!

Oh, you mean that little thing where ENRON (A Texas company) conspired to fake a supply shortage and created rolling blackouts to boost their profits?

[BJJ-Blue]

Oh, you mean that little thing where ENRON (A Texas company) conspired to fake a supply shortage and created rolling blackouts to boost their profits?

LMAO!

You go ahead and tell yourself that. It's been proven false.

"The companies deny overcharging. And on Friday, an audit by federal regulators found no evidence that electricity generators shut down California plants to jack up power prices."

Source:
http://www.sptimes.com/News/020401/Columns/Learning_from_their_m.shtml

I'm pretty sure the fact they went DECADES without building any new power plants was a big part of their problem. When you choose to rely on others for basic needs, you are asking for trouble.

[MasterKiller]

Really? So how many power plants have been built in CA since 2001?


The California electricity crisis, also known as the Western U.S. Energy Crisis, of 2000 and 2001 was a situation where California had a shortage of electricity. The state suffered from multiple large-scale blackouts, one of the state's largest energy companies collapsed, and the economic fall-out greatly harmed Governor Gray Davis's standing.

Artificial supply shortage was created by gratuitously taking power plants offline for (unnecessary) "maintenance" on hot summer days of peak demand.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/enron.tapes/

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/national/04energy.html?ex=1107666000&en=01449ebf62df572e&ei=5070


Rolling blackouts adversely affected many businesses dependent upon a reliable supply of electricity, and inconvenienced a large number of retail consumers. This demand supply gap was further exploited by energy companies, mainly Enron. Enron traders were thus able to sell power at premium prices, sometimes up to a factor of 20x its normal peak value. Because the state Government had a cap on retail electricity charges, this market manipulation squeezed the industry's revenue margins, causing the bankruptcy of Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) and near bankruptcy of Southern California Edison in early 2001.

The financial crisis was possible because of deregulation legislation instituted in 1996 by Governor Pete Wilson (Republican). Enron took advantage of this deregulation and was involved in economic withholding and inflated price bidding in California's spot markets.

http://www.ferc.gov/industries/electric/indus-act/wec/enron/summary-findings.pdf

The crisis cost $40bn to $45bn.

[David Jamieson]

MK, don't you'll break him if you throw reality on him too hard.

give him an elephant shaped lolly to gag on for a bit and come back to it.

I'm trying to keep him in suspense. :p

[BJJ-Blue]

All that has been disproven. If it hadn't been, people would be in jail. No one was even charged. No companies were fined either.

Again, had California been self-sufficient, none of this could have happened in the first place. California has been mismanaged for a long time. I've been through that State, and have family who lives there. There is absolutely no excuse for that State to be facing any kind of financial problems with the amount of revenue they take in, their abundance of natural resources, their tourism industry, etc.

Again, can either of you explain why such a 'rich' State like California is facing bankruptcy?

[MasterKiller]

All that has been disproven. If it hadn't been, people would be in jail. No one was even charged. No companies were fined either. Quit making things up. You are either intentionally lying or willfully ignorant.

Convicted of one count of conspiracy and two counts of wire fraud were former Merrill investment banking chief Daniel Bayly, 57; former Enron finance executive Daniel O. Boyle, 48; former Merrill strategic financial group chief James A. Brown, 52; former Merrill managing director Robert S. Furst, 43; and former Merrill vice president William R. Fuhs, 36.

A U.S. appeals court upheld ex-Enron Corp. Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Skilling’s fraud conviction today while ordering him resentenced due to a procedural mistake, a decision some experts said is unlikely to significantly change his 24-year prison sentence. Jeff looks good behind bars.

On May 25, 2006, Lay was found guilty on all six counts of conspiracy and fraud by a jury of eight women and four men. In a separate bench trial, Judge Lake ruled Lay was guilty of four counts of fraud and false statements.

After entering into a plea agreement with a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and the forfeiture of US$23.8 million in family assets, on September 26, 2006, Andrew Fastow was sentenced to six years, followed by two years of probation. U.S. District Judge Ken Hoyt believed Fastow deserved leniency for his cooperation with the prosecution in several civil and criminal trials involving former Enron employees.

You are way out in "right-field" on this one.


Again, can either of you explain why such a 'rich' State like California is facing bankruptcy?

Can you explain how Alabama is "better off" than New York?

[MasterKiller]

Again, had California been self-sufficient, none of this could have happened in the first place.

Senator Phil Gramm (REPUBLICAN), the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Enron, succeeded in legislating California's energy commodity trading deregulation.

Before passage of the deregulation law, there had been only one Stage 3 rolling blackout declared. Following passage, California had a total of 38 blackoutsdefined as Stage 3 rolling blackouts, until federal regulators intervened in June 2001.

[BJJ-Blue]

Quit making things up. You are either intentionally lying or willfully ignorant.

You are way out in "right-field" on this one.

But were those convictions for price fixing?

I know some ENRON people went to jail, but to my knowledge none of them went there because of the California 'gray outs' issue.


Can you explain how Alabama is "better off" than New York?

You guys first. After all, I asked first. I've learned my lesson about how question-and-answer sessions go around here.

[BJJ-Blue]

Senator Phil Gramm (REPUBLICAN), the second largest recipient of campaign contributions from Enron, succeeded in legislating California's energy commodity trading deregulation.

Before passage of the deregulation law, there had been only one Stage 3 rolling blackout declared. Following passage, California had a total of 38 blackoutsdefined as Stage 3 rolling blackouts, until federal regulators intervened in June 2001.

What Party ran California's Legislature during that time? If a law was signed, that means they voted 'Yes' on it to. You can't just blame the governor, or Phil Gramm.

[MasterKiller]

But were those convictions for price fixing?

I know some ENRON people went to jail, but to my knowledge none of them went there because of the California 'gray outs' issue.
I never said they were convicted of price fixing. I said


Oh, you mean that little thing where ENRON (A Texas company) conspired to fake a supply shortage and created rolling blackouts to boost their profits?

Do you admit you were wrong when you said this?


All that has been disproven. If it hadn't been, people would be in jail. No one was even charged. No companies were fined either.

[BJJ-Blue]

Do you admit you were wrong when you said this?

Of course not.

Why would I admit I was wrong when I said they were not creating shortages, price fixing, etc and you've shown me examples of guys who were convicted of crimes other than price fixing? :confused:

Those convictions you listed had nothing to do with the 'gray outs'.

[MasterKiller]

Why would I admit I was wrong when I said they were not creating shortages, price fixing, etc

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/national/04energy.html?ex=1107666000&en=01449ebf62df572e&ei=5070

Three former Enron traders have pleaded guilty to federal criminal charges of fraudulently manipulating the West Coast energy market. Enron's former chairman, Kenneth L. Lay, and former president, Jeffrey K. Skilling, are under federal indictment for fraud.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

Enron eventually went bankrupt, and signed a US$1.52 billion settlement with a group of California agencies and private utilities on July 16, 2005.


Three people plead guilty and Enron paid a settlment.

So, were you wrong?

[Drake]

I will be amazed if he admits he's wrong...

[BJJ-Blue]

You must have me confused with Jamieson. So prepeare to be amazed.

I was wrong on that subject.

I will continue to say that it would never had happened had California been self-sufficient and not relied on others for their power needs. And notice their solution has so far been to build new power plants.

[David Jamieson]

You must have me confused with Jamieson. So prepeare to be amazed.

I was wrong on that subject.

I will continue to say that it would never had happened had California been self-sufficient and not relied on others for their power needs. And notice their solution has so far been to build new power plants.

you do realize that those states you are in are united right?

You can NEVER be confused with me. lol.
Only in your dreams. :p

[BJJ-Blue]

you do realize that those states you are in are united right?

To a degree.

Just because you liberals aren't aware of the 10th Amendment doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[GeneChing]

Oh how times have changed...:rolleyes:


Trump Sent Bodyguard to McDonald’s Because White House Chefs Couldn’t Reproduce Quarter Pounder (https://www.thewrap.com/trump-sent-former-bodyguard-to-mcdonalds-because-white-house-chefs-couldnt-reproduce-quarter-pounder/)
Keith Schiller is set to testify before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday
Ashley Boucher | November 7, 2017 @ 9:35 AM

It looks like the president loves late-night McDonald’s runs.

It turns out that Keith Schiller — who is set to be grilled by the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday about a 2013 trip to Moscow and the 35-page dossier (yes, the one about the alleged “golden showers”) as part of the ongoing investigation into collusion with Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign — would go to Mickey D’s at Trump’s behest when White House chefs fell short.

“When the White House kitchen staff couldn’t match the satisfaction of a quarter-pounder with cheese (no pickles, extra ketchup) and a fried apple pie, it was Schiller, bodyguard and Trump whisperer, who would head down New York Avenue to McDonald’s on a stealth fast food run,” Politico wrote in their recent profile of Schiller.

What may alarm some more, however, is the absence of fries from Trump’s order.

Because several White House officials and advisors are being interviewed, many believe nothing revelatory will come out of Schiller’s testimony. But what Politico reports is current aides’ worry that seeing the man “who is widely credited with knowing how to manage the president’s moods, his diet, what triggers him and what soothes him” put in front of the committee will anger Trump.

“The image of Keith walking in and testifying is not going to make the president happy,” a former campaign aide told Politico.

Maybe it’s time for another McDonald’s run.