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Siu Lum Fighter
11-07-2010, 06:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

Get a load of this latest ad. It started making the rounds during the election and is obviously tailor made for all of the racist and ignorant Tea Baggers out there. The message is so confusing and ironic that you would have to be a completely mis-informed dumb@ss to think the Center Against Government Waste were credible at all. Perhaps that's what they're counting on.

It's supposedly set in Beijing in the year 2030, after China has somehow managed to dominate the U.S. economy. This professor asks his class, "Why do great nations fail?" and after comparing us to the Roman Empire and the British Empire, he rattles out a list of reasons. These seem to correlate with Obama's tactics for getting us out of the colossal mess that GW Bush and his cohorts handed us after he stepped down (whoever doesn't think his administration was to blame needs electro-shock therapy). After telling his students that "America tried to spend and tax itself" (an epithet used to enrage conservatives) out of the recession, he mentions our "enormous stimulus spending." Really, this is why we'll fail? I guess they're assuming nobody's up on the latest news. After China's initial stimulus package of $586 billion back in 2008 and $1.4 trillion in stimulus money lent from China's state-owned banks, their economy expanded by 8.7% in 2009 and 9.6% in the third quarter of 2010. Leaving this country in the dust (GDP growth for the U.S. was 2% in the 3rd quarter of 2010) after our much smaller $700 billion dollar stimulus package. So...how does stimulus spending not work? Why would a Chinese professor be saying that if it obviously worked for their country?

Then he mentions "massive changes to healthcare." Nearly all major medical facilities in China are run by the government. They overhauled their system back in 2005 to make healthcare more affordable to the rural poor. By 2007, 80% of the rural population was covered. That's 685 million people! A number greater than the entire population of the U.S., which now has about 47 million people lacking healthcare coverage. And John Boehner said we have "the best healthcare system in the world"!! "The best" for who, rich people? How is it "the best"? And, once again, why would a Chinese professor in 2030 say that overhauling healthcare was a mistake?

Going into how the Chinese professor saying that "government takeovers of private industries" doesn't make sense seems pointless, since most of the state-owned companies in China are giants and are heavily subsidized. The country is less Communist than it used to be, but it's still a hell of a lot more socialist than we are. So why would he point this out as having been one of our major flaws when they've outdone us using this same strategy?

The ad's just ridiculous. The professor finally mentions our "crushing debt" and how they own it and now we work for them. Well, what administration started borrowing and spending us into this hole? Do I even need to say? What administration decided to invade Iraq for no reason? Maybe if this country hadn't been spending over 20% of it's budget on its military, we would have had the kind of capital China had to pay for our debt.

On a final note, the ad is prejudiced against Chinese people. In the eyes of the racist white Americans who believe in this kind of bull****, China is defined not only by its system of government, but by its people. It's as if the advertisers were trying to say, "Look at the evil Chinese boogeymen! They're going to enslave you! Run for the hills!!" It's effective advertising for racist Tea Baggers. Don't they realize that they are the reason we fail?

doug maverick
11-08-2010, 08:05 AM
there is an OT board thats where this political crap belongs, please move it there...

David Jamieson
11-08-2010, 01:52 PM
mmmm nationalistic/racist wishful thinking.

I give it an "a" for awesome! lol

BJJ-Blue
11-08-2010, 02:19 PM
It started making the rounds during the election and is obviously tailor made for all of the racist and ignorant Tea Baggers out there.

Oh boy, another liberal playing the race card. :rolleyes:

Let's look at some election results from Nov 2:

"In New Mexico Susana Martinez was elected as the first woman Hispanic governor.

Nikki Haley, whose parents were born in India, will be the first woman governor in South Carolina and Brian Sandoval became Nevada's first Hispanic governor.

Tim Scott will be the first black Republican congressman from South Carolina since the post-civil war reconstruction era in the 1860s-70s.

In Florida Allen West is the first black Republican elected to Congress from Florida since a former slave served two terms in the 1870s.

Jamie Herrera became the first Latino congressman from Washington state.

But he noted that almost all the victorious Republican minorities were elected in majority-white areas and opposed measures such as comprehensive immigration reform."

All of the above candidates were Republicans.

Source:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/97219

Will you liberals now stop playing the race card and actually debate policy, or is that just too much to ask?

David Jamieson
11-08-2010, 02:52 PM
*snip*

Will you liberals now stop playing the race card and actually debate policy, or is that just too much to ask?

dude, this thread is about that ad. not policy. lol :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue
11-08-2010, 03:10 PM
dude, this thread is about that ad. not policy. lol :rolleyes:

So why did both of you bring race into the discussion?

After all, race wasn't brought up in the ad, was it?

GeneChing
11-08-2010, 03:20 PM
Wait until Red Dawn (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57164) drops.

BJJ-Blue
11-08-2010, 03:55 PM
Wait until Red Dawn (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57164) drops.

I laughed my butt off when they referenced that movie in Hot Tub Time Machine.

David Jamieson
11-08-2010, 06:46 PM
So why did both of you bring race into the discussion?

After all, race wasn't brought up in the ad, was it?

Because race was used in the piece. Yes it was used through implication and strong inference.

lol, "stretching the limits of credulity"... :p

BJJ-Blue
11-09-2010, 07:55 AM
Because race was used in the piece. Yes it was used through implication and strong inference.

So it wasn't used in the ad, correct?

Some people just can't help it, they see racism everywhere. And where they don't see it, they bring it up themselves :rolleyes:

B-Rad
11-09-2010, 12:46 PM
If people would stop making race baiting political ads, then maybe it wouldn't come up. Bigotry is still a huge problem.

David Jamieson
11-09-2010, 01:07 PM
So it wasn't used in the ad, correct?

Some people just can't help it, they see racism everywhere. And where they don't see it, they bring it up themselves :rolleyes:

um do you really need to be beaten over the hammer with a message before you understand it.

You can't possibly be that stupid can you that you fail to see the obvious undertones in this ad. YES IT WAS USED IN THE AD. What could possibly make that clearer to you besides going back in time, being reborn and getting an actual education that isn't tainted with a bunch of crap neo-con rhetoric?

lol

man, if yo can't see the race angle in that commercial, why do you even bother talking? :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue
11-09-2010, 01:21 PM
You can't possibly be that stupid can you that you fail to see the obvious undertones in this ad.

Again I ask, was race used in the ad? Yes or no.

If yes, please cite where and how.

dimethylsea
11-09-2010, 02:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycdiCL5ZOP8

But possibly even better...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCD5gzG511c

David Jamieson
11-09-2010, 02:58 PM
Again I ask, was race used in the ad? Yes or no.

If yes, please cite where and how.

You are a ridiculous excuse for a debater. lol

again you ask and again I tell you yes, race was used in the commercial, explicitly and implicitly there was a racial message and that message was that the race of asian(specifically chinese) people, own the nation of american people.

get it yet? or do I need to post the transcript for the ad here and then send you back to grade 9 to complete your education so that you can actually understand what an implication is, what an inference is and how that ties to making direct statements while having deniablility towards gross culpable affronts.

You can't possibly be so thick that you could not see that the entire audience was of one race communicating about the failure of one nation and how that failure is to the advantage of that race of people. The Chinese.

do you deny that? If so, I guess you need to watch it over again until you finally understand. Not sure with all the lead bars you seem to be eating lately though. lol

BJJ-Blue
11-09-2010, 04:26 PM
I may be "ridiculous", but at least i'm not a racist.

I watched the ad, and I didn't see one word about race. Nor did I see race brought up.

David Jamieson
11-09-2010, 08:08 PM
I may be "ridiculous", but at least i'm not a racist.

I watched the ad, and I didn't see one word about race. Nor did I see race brought up.

This is called willful ignorance. You are certainly not the only one who suffers from this condition. :p

Anyway, W's on Oprah pushing his book!

Syn7
11-09-2010, 10:44 PM
get it yet? or do I need to post the transcript for the ad here and then send you back to grade 9 to complete your education so that you can actually understand what an implication is, what an inference is and how that ties to making direct statements while having deniablility towards gross culpable affronts.



bjjblue is purposely being obtuse... ofcourse he sees what we all see... when somebody plays the deniability card because exact words werent used, they simply sit on the edge and paint the picture then sit back and deny accountability demanding proof of wrongdoing with a transcript in hand... these people are douchebags to me, as soon as somebody pulls this move, i pretty much write them off...

Syn7
11-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Anyway, W's on Oprah pushing his book!

should be good!!! he's always good for a laugh or three...

David Jamieson
11-10-2010, 06:32 AM
bjjblue is purposely being obtuse... ofcourse he sees what we all see... when somebody plays the deniability card because exact words werent used, they simply sit on the edge and paint the picture then sit back and deny accountability demanding proof of wrongdoing with a transcript in hand... these people are douchebags to me, as soon as somebody pulls this move, i pretty much write them off...

I troll him with vigour!

It's interesting to watch and make note. Kind of lets me understand how deep the whacko goes. lol

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 08:14 AM
bjjblue is purposely being obtuse...

No, I'm being realistic and not being a racist.

The ad talks about past civilizations that have fallen, it talks about debt, it talks about how China owned the US debt, and that Americans now work for the Chinese. Not one word about race.

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 08:15 AM
I troll him with vigour!

The only thing more pathetic than that is that you use race to do it.

Syn7
11-10-2010, 08:37 AM
China owns the US debt

common knowledge...

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 08:52 AM
common knowledge...

The ad was set in the future, so I used past tense in my post.

David Jamieson
11-10-2010, 10:49 AM
The only thing more pathetic than that is that you use race to do it.

Just keep making it up as you go along and you will receive further responses. :p

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Just keep making it up as you go along and you will receive further responses. :p

Are you denying you brought race into this discussion?

David Jamieson
11-10-2010, 12:47 PM
Are you denying you brought race into this discussion?

Are you denying race exists? Are you denying that there are other forms of communication beyond spoken and written word?

are you denying that there is no such thing as left or right and there is only one nation?

are you denying that you haven't learned any kung fu whatsoever?

are you denying the coat hanger scar on your forehead? :p

are you denying that you've been stinking the place up for too long?

are you denying yourself a healthy mental attitude by continuing to release neurotic vitriol into the Internets everyday?

hjmmmn? what is it? are you denying it?

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 02:14 PM
LMAO at you.

Looks like I've asked yet another question you can't answer. :rolleyes:

David Jamieson
11-10-2010, 02:16 PM
LMAO at you.

Looks like I've asked yet another question you can't answer. :rolleyes:

are you denying that you can't answer those questions?

are you denying that you asked another question that was answered several times in multiple forms of syntax?

are you denying you live under a bridge and eat babies?

are you?!

BJJ-Blue
11-10-2010, 02:19 PM
Look, I've never complained to mods ever on this forum, but I may soon if you continue to act like this.

Annoying people is not against the TOS, but I bet constantly bringing up racial issues is. And then there's your constant name-calling as well. For someone who acts so high-and-mighty, you sure do stoop to the level of name-calling with regularity.

You're a grown man, please start acting like it.

David Jamieson
11-10-2010, 02:45 PM
Look, I've never complained to mods ever on this forum, but I may soon if you continue to act like this.

Annoying people is not against the TOS, but I bet constantly bringing up racial issues is. And then there's your constant name-calling as well. For someone who acts so high-and-mighty, you sure do stoop to the level of name-calling with regularity.

You're a grown man, please start acting like it.

See, now this kind of a post I find very annoying, I'm reporting it to the mods right away and I am going to ask them to discipline you for all your obtuseness, your denial and your refusal to answer simple questions put to you in a debate format.

You can't even answer those few questions I've already put to you, but you'll quote everything and then ask questions.

seriously, are you denying that this is your MO?

By the way, you are possibly one of the top 10,000 most annoying people here.
I'd rank you high with the annoying and super high with the obtuse and of course, when it comes to the most meaningless and useless poster ever on a kung fu forum, well, you win!

hands down you are number one there.

do you deny that?

do you? go ahead and deny it, but I can prove it!

hey, it's off topic in here...fancy that! :p