Best WCK youtube video thread

[kung fu fighter]

What's the best wing chun youtube video that you guys ever seen?

[t_niehoff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEe9CH3Y7Bg

[kung fu fighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEe9CH3Y7Bg

Thanks for posting that T,
That was interesting, especially since there is so little available on this style. His power generation looks interesting

this was definately on of mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7vjAqAvjg&feature=channel

[horserider]

That is a style of white crane not wing chun and I am willing to wager Mr Niehoff is aware.

Kung Fu fighter why is the video you posted your best wing chun you tube video that you have seen?

[kung fu fighter]

That is a style of white crane not wing chun and I am willing to wager Mr Niehoff is aware.

Kung Fu fighter why is the video you posted your best wing chun you tube video that you have seen?

Because, I like the way how Grandmaster Fung Chun moves

[taokum]

That is a style of white crane not wing chun and I am willing to wager Mr Niehoff is aware.

Kung Fu fighter why is the video you posted your best wing chun you tube video that you have seen?

black flag teaser is really Ngo Cho with Lin's mixture of borrowed wing chun.

Ngo Cho Kun ( 5 Ancestor kung fu) description below and video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uryd6rbm5PI

Lin is not giving Ngo Cho credit or the other wing chun lineages.


Hi, sorry I came in a bit late into this conversation.

Xia, the Monkey description here may interest you.

A preamble: I am from the Malaysian, Chee Kim Thong Ngo Cho School. Have been practising it for > 30 yrs.

Speaking from our lineage's perspective, lets see if I can describe our art in a way that is less confusing.

NCK consists of 5 styles, sort of melded into 1. The 5 styles each contribute their respective characteristics, which include the physical movements/strokes, the footwork, power generation, internal Qi development & deployment.
for e.g.

White Crane, BaiHe whipping, explosive power, fluid & fast arm
techniques, some footwork, mostly long &
mid-distance, with some close-in techniques.
Strikes are mostly with open palms, fingers and
phoenix-eye.

Monkey, HouQuan quick, tight footwork, tight,close-in defense &
attack, locks & takedown, a lot of quick sneaky
techniques. Hands are in 'monkey paw' (open
hand with thumb tucked in). Has superior use of
body-mechanics, allowing smaller frame persons
to take larger opponents. We have low squat
stances, a few tumbles and somesaults, but far
lesser than other monkeys styles I've seen.

TaiZu very hard linear style (hardly any circular
movements), using the forearms & hands as
knives. Lots of power chops and slices, and
spearhand thrusts. Emphasizes a very upright
and 'face front' posture with very tight & solid
defences and attack, mainly at middle-distance,
with some long and short techniques.

LuoHan Similar to TaiZu with a very bold, upfront
posture, but with powerful but more 'looser'(less
close-in) movements, both circular and linear;
and a different power generation system. Mid to
long distance.
More use of fists.

TatMo Does not contribute physically to the forms, but
contributes the breathing, meditative and Qi
development aspects, to complement that of the
above arts.

* note: 'long-distance' means distances between outstrecthed arms to kick-reach.
'mid' is between out-stretched arm to forearm length distance.
'short/close-in' is anything less than above.

For us there are 18 forms, starting with Sam Chien of course. In the forms, each of the 5 styles are blended in, so within the 18 forms, we don't have a Monkey or Crane form, they are Ngo Cho forms. But within the froms, with some strokes, you can tell quite clearly its from Crane or Monkey etc.. With other you can't. For e.g. our Sam Chien is about 75% Crane.

In addition to the 18 forms, our lineage also has Sam Chien for each of the 4 styles, ie: one for Monkey, Crane, TaiZu, LuoHan, which you get to learn when you're more senior.

So when you learn Ngo Cho, you learn Ngo Cho, and not Crane, TaiZu etc.... at least in the beginning. But having said that, as you get to master Ngo Cho, you also get to understand/learn the specific techniques of its component styles. Once you can do that, you can then 'manifest' a stroke, say a block, with the nuances of Crane, together with its power generation/Qi techniques. OR combine a Crane type strike with Monkey footwork.... this is when it gets really interesting! Learn Ngo Cho and get 4 styles for the price of one! But seriously, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts".

Also, in our lineage, we emphasize a lot in the internal Qi development, as musch as (or more?) than the so called "internal martial arts".
We also emphasize a lot on 'sticking & listening' (like Wing Chun ChiSao), for profficiency with sensitivity with hand-to-hand contact. 'Hardening' and hand-conditioning' exercises are standard, and bruises on forearms are not uncommon during training.

For us, we neither call our style hard of soft, close-in or long distance, because we have it all. The 5(4) styles give a profficient Ngo Cho practicioneer many techniques to choose from, in application. For example, in an exercise/sparring our techniques may start of soft, but power thru with a hard attack, then change to soft again... Part of the mastering the art is to be able to switch fluidly between the different power-systems/techniques, hard or soft, close-in, mid, long distance.

We also have this thing called "heavy hands", which means being able to deploy power to the arms so that its difficult for an opponent to deflect or block an attack. And this "heaviness" can be used irregardless of whether the stroke is hard or soft, at long, mid, short distances. To develop this we do a lot of 2 man exercises, where we use the 'sticking & listening' with 'heavy hands'. And this is not just 'push-hands' or 'roll-hands', but with fairly powerful push/pulls, strikes and blocks; where if an opponent makes a mistake, he may be 'bounced' 2 or 3 steps backwards. The 'heaviness' and sensitivity training is intricately linked with the 'internal' aspects of the art.


For the simple minded:
Kenneth Lin is really 5th or 6th generation Yip Man student. He is trying to be something he’s not. Wing Chun is Wing Chun.

Not for the simple minded:
There’s a difference between “creating and being honest” and “creating (stealing) and making up history as you go”. The power of Ngo Cho Kun (White crane, monkey, TaiZu, LoHan and TatMo) is in Lin’s mixed Kung fu. Wing Chun does NOT have Sam Chien Po. Ngo Cho Kun has Sam Chien Po. Ngo Cho Kun is a great system. The praises from Lin and Meng’s student is really about Ngo Cho Lohan. Yes it is exciting especially for westeners. But if you call it what it’s not and mix it with new terms, other lineage’s Kung Fu, it’s a lie, it’s fake. Black Flag Eng Chun says the nucleus is LoHan 18 hands, it true because it’s made with Ngo Cho Lohan Kung Fu, then Vikoga Wing Chun and then some Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun formula and maybe Sergio will add in some Chi Sim. Lin made himself grandmaster of a made up Wing Chun. Really he is a 5th or 6th a generation Yip Man student.

This is the power of Ngo Cho Kun, parallels what Lin’s /Meng’s students describe but they are blinded by the romance. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE D@MIT! http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=827231&postcount=45

[Buddha_Fist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwpIghr1rfw

[jesper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MV0FArvgw

I like his videos. Seems like a very good teacher

[Violent Designs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MV0FArvgw

I like his videos. Seems like a very good teacher

Jin is very good and skilled, I trained with him a few times but WCK is not for me.

However I will always recommend someone who wants to learn WCK to go study from him.

[theo]

Thanks for posting that T,
That was interesting, especially since there is so little available on this style. His power generation looks interesting

this was definately on of mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7vjAqAvjg&feature=channel

nice clip and always good to see more of GM Fung Chun.

[LoneTiger108]

I like the actual teaching/training clips more than the interviews to be honest :rolleyes:

Chun Choi on Wooden Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEz8pSlQl94&feature=related

Tan Sau (SLT) idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34pZgA-aq8I&feature=related

[t_niehoff]

I was being facetious.

[LoneTiger108]

I was being facetious.

So what do you think of the clips I psted T? Y'know the ones with someone that actually learnt and teaches Wing Chun :D;)

[t_niehoff]

So what do you think of the clips I psted T? Y'know the ones with someone that actually learnt and teaches Wing Chun :D;)

Just more nonsense.

[LoneTiger108]

Just more nonsense.

Says it all about your influences as you seem to be drinking far from the source these days and may have forgotten what you're looking at... :confused:

[t_niehoff]

Says it all about your influences as you seem to be drinking far from the source these days and may have forgotten what you're looking at... :confused:

Tell me, what do you think is good about those videos?

For me, the most important WCK video is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixVLczpkVEI

which shows what happens when two people who don't train to fight (but who can do forms, chi sao, talk theory, etc.), and don't fight, end up fighting. This is a critical object lesson.

[LoneTiger108]

Tell me, what do you think is good about those videos?

For me, the most important WCK video is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixVLczpkVEI

which shows what happens when two people who don't train to fight (but who can do forms, chi sao, talk theory, etc.), and don't fight, end up fighting. This is a critical object lesson.

What a joke T. Now I really am beginning to understand your position. :eek:

Are you one of these guys that believes brawling like children is actually fighting? :confused: I understand that there are trends mate, popular culture and all that, but this Emin/Cheung clip is not a good example for anyone to learn anything!! :rolleyes:

You tell me what you think ISN'T good with the clips I shared :D What's holding you back? Afraid? :eek:

[LoneTiger108]

:D;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgialUAw1K8

And I've always liked Master Wongs HD clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtVwGWQfDII&feature=fvw

[CFT]

Spencer you seemed to have entirely missed the point of Terence's post. The Boztepe-Cheung video is a salutory lesson in what to avoid becoming.

[LoneTiger108]

Spencer you seemed to have entirely missed the point of Terence's post. The Boztepe-Cheung video is a salutory lesson in what to avoid becoming.

And what is that exactly? :confused:

An over estimated 'Master' who should have known better?

Or an aggressive disrespectful teeny who was just follows orders?

[CFT]

Train unrealistically, end up brawling like children (to paraphrase you).

[goju]

black flag teaser is really Ngo Cho with Lin's mixture of borrowed wing chun.

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thats interesting i saw a clip of the black flag stuff today and i said hey some of that looks like gojuryu and uechi ryu! both of those styles are believed to have came from five ancestor fist

[m1k3]

Here is one of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkLTxwATgbs

[LoneTiger108]

Train unrealistically, end up brawling like children (to paraphrase you).

Oh! I get you now :D

Not a problem from where I'm sitting. Realistic is what it is to each and every individual my friend. ;)

[m1k3]

Seriously?

Dealing with a shoot by standing on one leg and kicking forward?

Remember, momentum's a b1tch!

No problems mate, everyone knows once a grappler is on the ground they will lay there and let you hit them.:rolleyes:

[LoneTiger108]

thats interesting i saw a clip of the black flag stuff today and i said hey some of that looks like gojuryu and uechi ryu! both of those styles are believed to have came from five ancestor fist

As I heard Shotokan originates from Fukien White Crane.

Easy to sell this stuff as legitimate Wing Chun when there is nothing concrete out there for us all to recognise, and considering we have had western involvement in Wing Chun for almost 40 years (if not more) it does surprise me that this sort of promotion can still happen without any challenge at all... :o

[Sean66]

Hi everyone,

Here is one of my favorite clips of my teacher in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2US_ZXxLTGk

[YungChun]

What a joke T. Now I really am beginning to understand your position. :eek:

Are you one of these guys that believes brawling like children is actually fighting? :confused: I understand that there are trends mate, popular culture and all that, but this Emin/Cheung clip is not a good example for anyone to learn anything!! :rolleyes:

You tell me what you think ISN'T good with the clips I shared :D What's holding you back? Afraid? :eek:

So master A attacks master B and all you got from that was: "Are you one of these guys that believes brawling like children is actually fighting?" ??

What did you get from that clip?

Reading your posts..it's like someone getting slugged in the face with a brick and saying----what brick?

And how does your comment relate to the clip?

[LoneTiger108]

Reading your posts..it's like someone getting slugged in the face with a brick and saying----what brick?

Pot kettle black dude :rolleyes: What are YOU on about? You may not have caught my sense of humour on that one. You may think T hitting me with bricks and all I see is fluffy gloves! Maybe I'm a bit unbalanced? Crazy even? Maybe I'm more than one person? Hmmm. What's it all got to do with you Jim?


And how does your comment relate to the clip?

Because that 'incident' was a joke :rolleyes::eek::D and my response was more of a laugh at the fact that T thinks this clip is actually important to Wing Chun people today, as others say, if you train unrealistcally you will end up brawling like children.

If that's what T actually thinks would happen to me, or that's how I would respond?

I found it funny :D

What's you're problem anywayz? Just jumping in on a defensless little fantasy-fu fighter with your floor rolling buddy... (another joke but hey, sue me!)

[LoneTiger108]

So master A attacks master B and all you got from that was: "Are you one of these guys that believes brawling like children is actually fighting?" ??

By the way, I didn't see any Masters in T's clip. Did you? :rolleyes: