How to break the Thai Clinch

[MightyB]

6 pages of crap is too much to sift through - so I'm making a new thread. This is the kind of information that I think this board should be used for as we continue to expand our knowledge of how to make TCMA more able to defend against the variations of MA that we're now seeing.

How do you train Thai neck wrestling? More specifically, what are the concepts and keys to applying it correctly, and then, how do you defend against being put in a Thai clinch, and lastly, how do you get out of it if you've had the misfortune of being put into it?

Use video links when appropriate and let's not make it into some pithy argument about who's p3nis is smaller than mine... 'cuz all of you are smaller than me. :D

[lkfmdc]

throwing you a bone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCK_0Tk1XbE

but I do NOT have high hopes for this thread ;)

[MightyB]

Ok well for the record the double neck tie is only one of the many positions seen in thai boxing, (right now violent designs will be pasified ill go on!)

The main components are both hands on the top of the head/around the crown (not the base of the neck), elbows against the collar/shoulders, you want a long lever between the hands on the top/back of his crown and the base of the neck to create a lot of force and pressure on his head and neck. Elbows are in tight to the jaw and his head should sit in front of your chest not to either side. Ideally you don’t interlace your hands but put one on top of the other (which allows for maximum leverage) You should control him and move him by using your whole body and attaching him to your centre, ie I step back and twist my body and drive with my elbows to move him NOT step back, and then try to muscle him with my arms, do it right and his legs leave the floor. I am constantly looking to unbalance my opponent and snap his head down as I move him around (one reason why punching out of it doesn’t work) My forarms push into his shoulders as my hands pull him down (a push pull action) his pressure by the forearms and the distance it creates allows me to knee and also stops the body lock takedown)

If I remember rightly ROSS has some very good videos on the plum out on his youtube channel, (linked over at the MMA forum)

To defend
1) get the head under the hips , bull the neck and take care of balance first
2) close the distance, its hard to knee with no space between you ( I like to stagger my stance and get one leg between his)
3) get your head on either side of his chest, not in the centre (this again take space away and takes away the ability to snap your head down)

and then try any escape you want :)

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[sanjuro_ronin]

Learn the Thai clinch, in doing so you will learn where its weakness are and how to take advantage of them.
For the vast majority of people, NOT getting into it is the best option.
You must realize that the clinch will vary from person to person and depending on skill and strength, how it is applied will also vary.
If the clinch gets sunk in, it is very hard to break (understatement), so ideally you want to counter it before it is sunk in ( this is really the only time that striking out of the clinch is possible).
Once it is set in, defense, maintaining your balance becomes paramount.
By exposing yourself to LOTS of clinch work you will learn with leverage points you will be able to use AND ON WHOM you can use them.

[lkfmdc]

People trained in Muay Thai will tell you NOT to grab the "neck" but in wrestling (particularly Greco Roman) the "neck tie" is indeed on the neck. For MMA purposes (ie where you can BOTH strike with knees/elbows AND throw/takedown) we actually DO grab the "neck". Context is important

[goju]

theres no cool secret to it besides what people like sanjuro and frost and afew others noted

and the obvious shouldnt have to be stated for people:eek:

[lkfmdc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFtG79jQIfY

maybe this one is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfq_nEaPkA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9i69ARbkZ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4j4V_6KnGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4fOxGdpavA

[lkfmdc]

Wrestling stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1fb2wrRQ-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Ocp2DcYIA

[MightyB]

theres no cool secret to it besides what people like sanjuro and frost and afew others noted

and the obvious shouldnt have to be stated for people:eek:

Hey now... my p3nis is bigger.

Anyway, I'm lucky to find a legit BJJ school... imagine trying to find a legit Thai boxing school in nowheresville MI... so this type of thread is important because after watching Ross's clip, I can tell you that I had a lot of misconceptions about the thai clinch. And my situation isn't unique. There are a lot of people on this board that just don't have the opportunity to train some of these techniques with knowledgeable people and we can develop bad habits based on misconceptions. So thanks to Frost for his elaboration and Ross for his video. This is the potential of a forum.

[MightyB]

I just subscribed to the Fight Nerd :) Great stuff.