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Syn7

11-30-2010, 08:07 AM

David Jamieson

11-30-2010, 08:55 AM

it never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be... i cant believe people are still questioning obamas citizenship... 1 in 4 americans admit they believe obama is not a citizen, or they arent 100% but probably not a citizen...

anyways, check out cooper 360 from monday nov 30... you can get the podcast, easy enough... this guy is a freaking lawmaker and he is going on national tv to talk about immigration law and civil law, and anderson cooper corrected him on so many false statements i was embarassed for the guy... seriously, im ashamed to share a planet with a guy like this...

if obama was white, this wouldnt be happening... as far as im concerned people like leo berman deserve to be purged from my existance... pests, nothing more... dangerous pests... when the revolution comes, i'll introduce myself from the nice end of a 12 guage...;)

Fact of the matter is that the USA has a large segment of it's population which is thoroughly racist and backwards. there's 300 million after all so there is bound to be large numbers of any given factional thought.

racism is worked into the fabric of the USA fairly thoroughly and it's not gonna get squeezed out with the civil rights movement, a black president, the naacp and so on. It just has to be worked at and worked at until the last racist is dead and gone.

It seems more apparent in places like America where you have a mixed population as opposed to other countries which are many that have no mixed population and therefore very little in the way of perceived racism or cultural intolerance and non-acceptance.

But, be happy, it's much worse in France where if you're black and qualified, you will still lose that job to the cute white chick who isn't as qualified simply because she looks better and isn't black. Seriously, it is that bad there.

Up here in canuckistan, the problem is here but is less than what is seen south of the border. We hide our racist attitudes and ways much better I guess. lol We never had the whole slave culture thing and slavery was abolished by the British about 50 years before our confederation so it just isn't there like it is in the states, but it's there.

The racism up here is manifested in ghetto cities like Toronto where they like to call the black ghettos 'ethnic village" or "quilt-work" and other such euphemisms to gloss over the racial and socio-economic separation we practice up here.

When you mix cultures, they don't always work out. But it's great for politicians because you don't have unity among the people and it's easier to manipulate entire ethnic populations based on their desires as opposed to trying to satisfy a whole population. You can pick and choose who you want according to their population base and demography.

We have entire suburbs that are predominantly on ethnicity over another one.
That's how the structure of it is nowadays.

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 10:19 AM

if obama was white, this wouldnt be happening...

While the rest of your post was informative, this sentence has no business there.

I seem to recall Arnold Schwarzenegger's birthplace being a campaign issue when he ran for Governor, and he is a white guy.

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 10:22 AM

When you mix cultures, they don't always work out. But it's great for politicians because you don't have unity among the people and it's easier to manipulate entire ethnic populations based on their desires as opposed to trying to satisfy a whole population. You can pick and choose who you want according to their population base and demography.

I completely agree. Barack Obama is a perfect example.

David Jamieson

11-30-2010, 10:26 AM

I completely agree. Barack Obama is a perfect example.

Bush did it too, Clinton before him, Bush before that and Reagan before that and Ford before that and Nixon before that and so on and so forth all the way back to the civil war.

Obama isn't a particularly different president except that he is not wasp. He's still running wars, dealing with domestic policy and exercising his will to power every day.

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 11:06 AM

Bush did it too, Clinton before him, Bush before that and Reagan before that and Ford before that and Nixon before that and so on and so forth all the way back to the civil war.

"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,' if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2." -Barack Obama

So I backed up my assertion, and now it's your turn to back up yours. I just need 1 GW Bush quote, 1 Reagan quote, 1 Clinton quote, 1 GHW Bush, 1 Ford quote, and 1 Nixon quote that's anything similar to the Obama quote I posted. I bet you don't find any.

Will you once again not be able to back up your assertions?

David Jamieson

11-30-2010, 11:24 AM

"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,' if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2." -Barack Obama

So I backed up my assertion, and now it's your turn to back up yours. I just need 1 GW Bush quote, 1 Reagan quote, 1 Clinton quote, 1 GHW Bush, 1 Ford quote, and 1 Nixon quote that's anything similar to the Obama quote I posted. I bet you don't find any.

Will you once again not be able to back up your assertions?

What is it that you think that quote is saying? What is it that you are asserting?
Why would you bother with statements when record of presidency is much easier to look at.

Anyway, what is it you are going on about now? What did Obama do to you today? Was it a bad touch? Can you show us on the bear where Obama touched you?

what the fu(k dude? you go off on these disconnected weird ass tangents and then ask me to go through quotes of presidents to assert that they all acted like presidents?

There's something wrong with your head boy. lol

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 11:55 AM

So once again you can't back up your assertions. :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 11:57 AM

And once again I backed up my assertions. ;)

Syn7

11-30-2010, 12:02 PM

It seems more apparent in places like America where you have a mixed population as opposed to other countries which are many that have no mixed population and therefore very little in the way of perceived racism or cultural intolerance and non-acceptance

oh man do i disagree... places that are ethnically diverse show more tolerance... look at what happens in places like old ussr countries and how they deal with migrants... esspecially muslim or jewish migrants...

Syn7

11-30-2010, 12:07 PM

While the rest of your post was informative, this sentence has no business there.

I seem to recall Arnold Schwarzenegger's birthplace being a campaign issue when he ran for Governor, and he is a white guy.

well yeah but A) armold wasnt running for potus and to date he cannot run for potus... B) he actually is an immigrant and nobody has ever disputed that...

im dead serious, if obama was white, didnt have the middle name he has and a father born in kenya, nodody would question his citizenship... come on now, you know its true... show me different... the armold argument doesnt fly, he is an immigrant and he isnt potus... obame is potus and is for sure a us citizen... even after hawaii verified this, people still wont accept it... and its not coz hes black with an arabic name? sucka please...:D

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 12:28 PM

im dead serious, if obama was white, didnt have the middle name he has and a father born in kenya, nodody would question his citizenship... come on now, you know its true... show me different... the armold argument doesnt fly, he is an immigrant and he isnt potus... obame is potus and is for sure a us citizen... even after hawaii verified this, people still wont accept it... and its not coz hes black with an arabic name? sucka please...:D

There are reasons people question his citizenship, and you just provided one of the reasons. Speaking only for myself, his race has nothing to do with it.

I'm not a "birther", but I do pay attention to the issue. He was educated overseas at a young age, went by a different last name, and his father indeed was not an American citizen. Those are some of the reasons why people question it. Those who make the assertions don't have to bring race into it, they already have plenty of evidence that has zero to do with race.

As to the fact 1 in 4 Americans question where he was born, I'd be interested if that number has been going up since his approval levels have been going down. Can you perhaps find some data/polls on that?

David Jamieson

11-30-2010, 12:32 PM

oh man do i disagree... places that are ethnically diverse show more tolerance... look at what happens in places like old ussr countries and how they deal with migrants... esspecially muslim or jewish migrants...

dude, fu(ks sake, READ IT AGAIN!!!!

dam, people are thick as texas toast some days :mad:

Syn7

11-30-2010, 12:53 PM

There are reasons people question his citizenship, and you just provided one of the reasons. Speaking only for myself, his race has nothing to do with it.

I'm not a "birther", but I do pay attention to the issue. He was educated overseas at a young age, went by a different last name, and his father indeed was not an American citizen. Those are some of the reasons why people question it. Those who make the assertions don't have to bring race into it, they already have plenty of evidence that has zero to do with race.

As to the fact 1 in 4 Americans question where he was born, I'd be interested if that number has been going up since his approval levels have been going down. Can you perhaps find some data/polls on that?

watch the podcast... they had their lil poll on there...

David Jamieson

11-30-2010, 12:56 PM

watch the podcast... they had their lil poll on there...

he tries to say it's not about race, but really? It's about race and the birthers, like 1bad who is a birther if you sort through his little diatribes here, you can clearly see he is tying to push fake birth certificates and rush limbaugh talking points to say Obama's not american.

1 bad knows better than to honestly just be his racist and bigoted self and tries to PC it up, but that veil is thin because he is not that smart. :p

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 02:00 PM

watch the podcast... they had their lil poll on there...

What podcast are you referring to?

And I'm not disputing 1 in 4 Americans say he was not born here. I'm curious if that number has gone up in the 2 years he's been in office, ie has it always been 1 in 4, or was it more or less than that 2 years ago?

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 02:09 PM

I can read you like a book. I see the name-calling is coming out, which means you're trying to get the thread locked since you've once again made assertions you can't back up and I wont let you off the hook.

he tries to say it's not about race, but really? It's about race and the birthers, like 1bad who is a birther if you sort through his little diatribes here, you can clearly see he is tying to push fake birth certificates and rush limbaugh talking points to say Obama's not american.

1 bad knows better than to honestly just be his racist and bigoted self and tries to PC it up, but that veil is thin because he is not that smart. :p

Please source where I have "pushed fake birth certificates".

And while your at it, maybe you can find those quotes I asked for. I provided mine, it's STILL your turn to do the same. ;)

Syn7

11-30-2010, 02:28 PM

What podcast are you referring to?

And I'm not disputing 1 in 4 Americans say he was not born here. I'm curious if that number has gone up in the 2 years he's been in office, ie has it always been 1 in 4, or was it more or less than that 2 years ago?

like i said... watch the podcast... read this thread and youll find out what podcast im talking about... for a guy that argues as much as you, you should really take the time to read peoples posts...

Reality_Check

11-30-2010, 03:00 PM

There are reasons people question his citizenship, and you just provided one of the reasons. Speaking only for myself, his race has nothing to do with it.

I'm not a "birther", but I do pay attention to the issue. He was educated overseas at a young age, went by a different last name, and his father indeed was not an American citizen. Those are some of the reasons why people question it. Those who make the assertions don't have to bring race into it, they already have plenty of evidence that has zero to do with race.

As to the fact 1 in 4 Americans question where he was born, I'd be interested if that number has been going up since his approval levels have been going down. Can you perhaps find some data/polls on that?

And yet he was still born in Hawaii. Which makes him eligible to be President. It also makes the birther issue complete and utter nonsense.

Lucas

11-30-2010, 03:08 PM

i'm willing to bet that 1 in 4 americans are total idiots too. :p

Syn7

11-30-2010, 03:12 PM

i'm willing to bet that 1 in 4 americans are total idiots too. :p

half, bruh.... half... ;)

Lucas

11-30-2010, 03:28 PM

say it aint so!!!!

Syn7

11-30-2010, 03:34 PM

say it aint so!!!!

sorry i cant help you friend... but when the revolution comes, meet me in seattle, thats about half way, and we can start eliminating undesirables and other unsavoury characters... im armed and ready... one rifle, one 12 guage and two handguns (one is a revolver, so i actually have a handgun that will fire every time)... alas, in canada machine guns are a big no no... esp. SMGs... you can have a rifle if you remove the burst function,but then its no diff than any other rifle... lemme know when ur ready.... you know where to find me...

Lucas

11-30-2010, 03:54 PM

I'll be there. I'll be the guy at pikes place market surrounded by a mess of pomegranate, granola and dead hippies. :D

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 04:04 PM

And yet he was still born in Hawaii. Which makes him eligible to be President. It also makes the birther issue complete and utter nonsense.

Which I have not denied. I was simply discussing the topic and the fact that 25% of Americans doubt he was. Of course Jamieson said I was a birther, but as we all know he just makes things up as he goes along and refuses to back up his assertions.

BJJ-Blue

11-30-2010, 04:08 PM

like i said... watch the podcast... read this thread and youll find out what podcast im talking about... for a guy that argues as much as you, you should really take the time to read peoples posts...

You're not getting my point.

The podcast will say 1 in 4 Americans believe Obama was not born in the US. I get that, I'm not arguing that. I believe the show says just that.

Knowing that as of November 2010, 1 in 4 Americans say Obama was not born in the US, I'm curious what percentage believed he wasn't born in the US in say November 2008.

Syn7

11-30-2010, 09:28 PM

I'll be there. I'll be the guy at pikes place market surrounded by a mess of pomegranate, granola and dead hippies. :D

well yeah we gotta eat on the trail right... as we head south for retribution... besides, pachuli is down right offensive sh!t... grease the fukcing hemp wearing halfwitt, cant we all just get along, tree huggers!!!

Syn7

11-30-2010, 09:32 PM

no... you arent hearing ME!!! they get into it a bit... watch the fukcing video!!!! :D

...............................

David Jamieson

12-01-2010, 06:45 AM

*snip*

Knowing that as of November 2010, 1 in 4 Americans say Obama was not born in the US, I'm curious what percentage believed he wasn't born in the US in say November 2008.

It probably didn't cross anyone's mind until they had to react to him being elected.
How many people Knew that John McCain wasn't born in the USA? That came up after the fact as well.

Reality_Check

12-01-2010, 07:05 AM

Which I have not denied. I was simply discussing the topic and the fact that 25% of Americans doubt he was. Of course Jamieson said I was a birther, but as we all know he just makes things up as he goes along and refuses to back up his assertions.

Maybe David was confused by posts like these:

LMAO at you making excuses for the Kenyan socialist who loves American corporations cash.

His wife said it first. Not me. How is it disrespectful to call a man whose home country is Kenya a Kenyan? My home state is Texas, and I don't get mad when I'm called a Texan.

Not to harp on this, but his wife said his home country was Kenya. She could have said he was from Hawaii, or Kansas, or even (gasp!) America.

Ok, fine. Let's say you are right, for the sake of argument.

What about his mother's side? She is American. If he was born here, and is half American origin, why would his wife say Kenya is his home country when he is half Kenyan origin, but wasn't born there? Hmmm.....

Please explain how the Constitution is irrelevant when it says the President must be a natural born citizen, and we are discussing whether Obama was a natural born citizen? :confused:

I'll say this on the topic--At first, I figured the people saying he wasn't born here were the typical wingnuts who see conspiracies on every corner. Then I looked at evidence, I actually took the time to research what they saying, rather than be like you and label them and write them off. They have some relevant points. For example, he went by another last name. His father was not a citizen. His early education took place overseas. His wife's quote. The fact he has not released his birth certificate. There is a good bit of evidence here. Is it enough to sway me? Not yet, but I am really starting to wonder if indeed on this subject, where there is smoke there is fire. But right now, I still can't say they have proven he wasn't born here.

And If I'm a "birther" or "xenophopic", so were the Founders. So while I despise labels that simple-minded people use, it's not exactly an insult to be called that.

There are reasons people question his citizenship, and you just provided one of the reasons. Speaking only for myself, his race has nothing to do with it.

I'm not a "birther", but I do pay attention to the issue. He was educated overseas at a young age, went by a different last name, and his father indeed was not an American citizen. Those are some of the reasons why people question it. Those who make the assertions don't have to bring race into it, they already have plenty of evidence that has zero to do with race.

BJJ-Blue

12-01-2010, 08:24 AM

It probably didn't cross anyone's mind until they had to react to him being elected.
How many people Knew that John McCain wasn't born in the USA? That came up after the fact as well.

Actually John McCain's birthplace was brought up before the election on this very site.

And Obama's birthplace was indeed brought up during the campaign. Not by McCain, but it was brought up.

BJJ-Blue

12-01-2010, 08:29 AM

Maybe David was confused by posts like these:

And in those posts I NEVER claimed to be a birther, or said the birthers were right. I admit I posted some of what they believed, yes, but that was what the discussion was about. Just because someone acknowledges someone else's beliefs does not mean they themselves belive them.

As to me saying his home country was Kenya, I did say that. I do not deny that. However, I clearly stated the man's own wife said it.

Lucas

12-01-2010, 12:32 PM

well yeah we gotta eat on the trail right... as we head south for retribution... besides, pachuli is down right offensive sh!t... grease the fukcing hemp wearing halfwitt, cant we all just get along, tree huggers!!!

Retribution is the name of my left fist, and my right fist's name is Justice. Got a shotgun named Vengeance. I'm ready to start.

:D

David Jamieson

12-01-2010, 01:29 PM

Apparently 1bad is uneducated in the concepts of "implication" or "inference" or "allusions". :p

BJJ-Blue

12-01-2010, 02:55 PM

Apparently you are uneducated in the concept of actually proving your assertions.

I'm still waiting on those examples of ANY of other US President dividing Americans by race as Obama did in my example. You said they all did it, so back it up. If they ALL did it as you allege, it should be quite simple. ;)

And I do not infer, implicate, etc. I openly and plainly state my positions. You just say I do that because you say I'm a racist and you have NOTHING in terms of any proof backing it up, so you just say its inferred/understood/etc I'm a racist. :rolleyes: If I was a racist, I'd be on here openly saying I am. Racists disgust me, about as much as those who call people they disagree with on issues racists when they cannot defeat them with facts in a debate/discussion on issues.

Reality_Check

12-01-2010, 04:41 PM

Syn7

12-01-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by 1bad65
His wife said it first. Not me. How is it disrespectful to call a man whose home country is Kenya a Kenyan? My home state is Texas, and I don't get mad when I'm called a Texan.

ooooohhh ok, that explains so much...!!!! :D

Syn7

12-01-2010, 10:15 PM

Retribution is the name of my left fist, and my right fist's name is Justice. Got a shotgun named Vengeance. I'm ready to start.

:D

then we wait.... quietly... ;)

Syn7

12-01-2010, 10:18 PM

I'm still waiting on those examples of ANY of other US President dividing Americans by race as Obama did in my example. You said they all did it, so back it up. If they ALL did it as you allege, it should be quite simple. ;)

absence of evidence is not always evidence of absence...

Syn7

12-01-2010, 10:20 PM

And I do not infer, implicate, etc. I openly and plainly state my positions. You just say I do that because you say I'm a racist and you have NOTHING in terms of any proof backing it up, so you just say its inferred/understood/etc I'm a racist. :rolleyes: If I was a racist, I'd be on here openly saying I am. Racists disgust me, about as much as those who call people they disagree with on issues racists when they cannot defeat them with facts in a debate/discussion on issues.

but you have admitted you are proud to be white, have u not?... ive always believed pride to be not only ignorant, but also a massive weakness...

Drake

12-02-2010, 10:55 AM

DJ, explain to me how you came to the conclusion that most americans are racist. I want numbers and figures, not just some Canadian Desk Jockey's assessment of an entire nation. That's not bad research, that's TERRIBLE research.

Also, I know all about the "1 in 4 think" polls. Have we considered sample size, sample locations, and how the questions and responses may have been worded? If they didn't poll every single American, or even half (which I promise you they didn't), then how can you reasonably make this assertion? True, you can bring up trend analysis, but it still is a false statement.

Lucas

12-02-2010, 11:06 AM

so what drake, you dont agree with polls that may be based on interviews with bias or focused portion of a populous? are you saying that does not fully represent the mindsets of the entirety of the peoples in our land...? how un american of you.

:p

Lucas

12-02-2010, 11:07 AM

then we wait.... quietly... ;)

...just like chuck norris. :eek:

BJJ-Blue

12-06-2010, 08:34 AM

Richard Nixon:

There are times when abortions are necessary – I know that... Suppose you have a black and a white.

Please source that. Like when and where. Or a paper reporting it. Something other than just you typing words please.

but you have admitted you are proud to be white, have u not?... ive always believed pride to be not only ignorant, but also a massive weakness...

I don't believe I have.

I'll say this, pride on your race alone is not good imo. But having pride in say, graduating college, is not ignorant or a massive weakness. People should be proud of their accomplishments. Of course being born a certain color, race, creed, geographic location, etc is not any type of accomplishment imo.

MasterKiller

12-06-2010, 09:46 AM

Please source that. Like when and where. Or a paper reporting it. Something other than just you typing words please.

“There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,” he told an aide, before adding, “Or a rape.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html

David Jamieson

12-06-2010, 10:37 AM

“There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,” he told an aide, before adding, “Or a rape.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html

Bah, there is reams of information and quotes that denote Richard Nixon as a racist through and through. It's laughable that someone would want to have Nixon's racism sourced when it was and is common knowledge.

The second point is that coming out--coming back and saying
that black Americans aren't as good as black Africans--most
of them , basically, are just out of the trees. Now, let's
face it, they are.
Richard Nixon to Rumsfeld 7-11-1971

They're not like us. They smell different, they look different,
they act different. The trouble is, you can't find one
that's honest.
Richard Nixion to John Ehrlichman ~regarding Italians

What people resent is this business of some colleges
pushing the blacks too far for their own good, making
them doctors and everything else....The racism has
receded, I think, but it's there and it will always be
there....A lot of people are just as racist now, but
it's not fashionable anymore--and I think that's
****ed important. You can't talk about blacks like
you once did.
President Richard Nixon

and on and on with the racism and prejudice etc etc etc.

BJJ-Blue

12-06-2010, 10:54 AM

David Jamieson

12-06-2010, 11:10 AM

BJJ-Blue

12-06-2010, 12:56 PM

splitting hairs to avoid admitting you were wrong?

Not at all. We were talking about Presidents pitting groups of Americans against each other based on race. How can a President do that by making racist statements in private? :confused:

Plus, you said Presidents "all the way back to the civil war" did it too. So you still have alot more quotes to find. ;)

David Jamieson

12-06-2010, 02:08 PM

Not at all. We were talking about Presidents pitting groups of Americans against each other based on race. How can a President do that by making racist statements in private? :confused:

Plus, you said Presidents "all the way back to the civil war" did it too. So you still have a lot more quotes to find. ;)

Um...not actually there dude, you just have to learn to understand that your rosy eyed view of politics is weird and wrong. lol

I don't have to do anything. I already read the quotes, I already learned the subject matter. It would appear that it is you who are lagging behind and on top of that, you are propping up some kind of redacted fantasy history. lol

And we were talking about more than Presidents pitting one group against another to achieve an agenda whether it's race, socio-economic situation, demographics etc etc.

If you can't understand that, then it all fills in why you have such a screwed up and twisted political view. :p

BUt hey, just for ghits and siggles, here's your favourite GOP president that wasn't reagan saying ridiculously racist things...oh, right around the time of the civil war:

"I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man."

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Source: Abraham Lincoln said this in a speech he delivered to the people of Charleston, Illinois in 1858.

so what kind of cards you dealing? Rhetoric or truth?

Just to be Fair, Woodrow Wilson, A democrat who lead the USA through WW1 was a terribly racist individual. His racism is immortalized forever in his huge book -A History of the American People-. Man, that babies a doozy!

Anyway, I can go on and on, but I think you are too quick to accept that effort and it is the bane of developing your own mind. Which would appear to be somewhat addled by gop koolaid. :D

BJJ-Blue

12-06-2010, 02:32 PM

Um...not actually there dude, you just have to learn to understand that your rosy eyed view of politics is weird and wrong. lol

YOU made the accusation, not me. So I have no idea what you're babbling about.

As to being wrong, I predicited Obama's economic policies would fail, based on past history. And I've been proven correct. Do I need to post those unemployment numbers in the Bush years vs the Obama years again? :D

I don't have to do anything. I already read the quotes, I already learned the subject matter. It would appear that it is you who are lagging behind and on top of that, you are propping up some kind of redacted fantasy history. lol

Yeah, you NEVER have to do anything other than make accusations. What quotes are you referring to? I still haven't seen any attributed to Ford, Clinton, Bush, or Reagan as you claimed. As for fantasy, you're the one who keeps calling people racists without a shred of proof.

And we were talking about more than Presidents pitting one group against another to achieve an agenda whether it's race, socio-economic situation, demographics etc etc.

We were talking about race specifically, as my Obama quote clearly showed.

so what kind of cards you dealing? Rhetoric or truth?

You're the one calling people racists and calling our troops criminals. That's incindiary rhetoric if I've heard it.

David Jamieson

12-06-2010, 02:52 PM

YOU made the accusation, not me. So I have no idea what you're babbling about.

As to being wrong, I predicited Obama's economic policies would fail, based on past history. And I've been proven correct. Do I need to post those unemployment numbers in the Bush years vs the Obama years again? :D
Obfuscation. You made the fail commentary, you were corrected and you are still needing correction. lol

Yeah, you NEVER have to do anything other than make accusations. What quotes are you referring to? I still haven't seen any attributed to Ford, Clinton, Bush, or Reagan as you claimed. As for fantasy, you're the one who keeps calling people racists without a shred of proof.
YOu were schooled and told to do your homework. I can't make your crisis my crisis. Look at the sword for all it is instead of it's point, or it's tang, or it's edge, it's all one sword.

We were talking about race specifically, as my Obama quote clearly showed.
So, we were talking about this then? Because I could swear that you said you weren't making accusations about presidents and racisl slurs, and yet, here you are in the very same post reiterating that you were talking about that. Say, you aren't on any type of Rush Limbaugh like medications are you? lol

You're the one calling people racists and calling our troops criminals. That's incendiary rhetoric if I've heard it. I said presidents have made remarks that paint them as racists. Then I supplied you with a couple of those remarks. Was I wrong? Because there it is straight from the horse's mouths. Lol,

Where did I say servicemen are criminals? Please quote that will you?

thanks that's all for today, I'm off for my commute now. :)

Drake

12-06-2010, 03:36 PM

Having been to Italy several times, I can see where Fmr Pres Nixon is coming from.

Reality_Check

12-06-2010, 04:21 PM

Please source that. Like when and where. Or a paper reporting it. Something other than just you typing words please.

Ironic coming from the person who didn't source the quote in his post.

Syn7

12-06-2010, 08:41 PM

“There are times when an abortion is necessary. I know that. When you have a black and a white,” he told an aide, before adding, “Or a rape.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/us/politics/24nixon.html

u cant use the ny times as evidence when arguing with a republican... come on now... thats like quoting msnbc or fox news...

Syn7

12-06-2010, 08:45 PM

Having been to Italy several times, I can see where Fmr Pres Nixon is coming from.

i call shenanigans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 07:58 AM

Ironic coming from the person who didn't source the quote in his post.

Which quote are you referring to?

u cant use the ny times as evidence when arguing with a republican... come on now... thats like quoting msnbc or fox news...

I asked for the source BEFORE he made that post. Wake up! ;)

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 08:04 AM

Having been to Italy several times, I can see where Fmr Pres Nixon is coming from.

I read a story about Italians once that was funny. Before WWII started, Hitler said to Churchill, 'It will be different this time, this time we have the Italians on our side.' Churchill replied, 'That's only fair, we were stuck with them last time.'

P.J. O'Rourke also said of Italy, 'Italy is a Third World country, only the Italians don't know it.'

Drake

12-07-2010, 08:06 AM

You can't call shenanigans!

Drake

12-07-2010, 08:07 AM

I read a story about Italians once that was funny. Before WWII started, Hitler said to Churchill, 'It will be different this time, this time we have the Italians on our side.' Churchill replied, 'That's only fair, we were stuck with them last time.'

P.J. O'Rourke also said of Italy, 'Italy is a Third World country, only the Italians don't know it.'

They have good food.... that's about it. :D

Oh, and if you like your car.... and especially if you like your side mirrors... don't drive there. It's REALLY bad.

Reality_Check

12-07-2010, 08:24 AM

Which quote are you referring to?

That would be the one from this post:

"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,' if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2." -Barack Obama

So I backed up my assertion, and now it's your turn to back up yours. I just need 1 GW Bush quote, 1 Reagan quote, 1 Clinton quote, 1 GHW Bush, 1 Ford quote, and 1 Nixon quote that's anything similar to the Obama quote I posted. I bet you don't find any.

Will you once again not be able to back up your assertions?

Drake

12-07-2010, 08:52 AM

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 11:31 AM

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 11:35 AM

The Latino vote is actually very important, especially given that they do tend to have specific needs that should be addressed. We're not talking Vatos Locos, here. Latinos are a very powerful ethnic group, especially given that much of our country is the result of annexing places where they had been living. It's not racism. It's knowing the demographic.

Telling one group of Americans to "punish their enemies" based solely on race is race baiting pure and simple. I've actually NEVER heard another politician call any law-abiding group of Americans "enemies" leading into an election. I don't like to make comparisons to Hitler, but that is the exact type of incindiary rhetoric he used in his speeches as well.

Drake

12-07-2010, 11:35 AM

Here is Obama race baiting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhwTQ784IY&feature=related

Here is a CNN article on it as well:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/01/obama-dials-off-of-enemies-as-boehner-tees-up/?iref=allsearch

Dude, EVERYONE tries to appeal to demographics. They don't see Latinos, Blacks, Whites, or Asian. They see votes.

Reality_Check

12-07-2010, 12:22 PM

Here is Obama race baiting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhwTQ784IY&feature=related

Here is a CNN article on it as well:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/01/obama-dials-off-of-enemies-as-boehner-tees-up/?iref=allsearch

I never said the quote wasn't accurate. I was just pointing out the irony of someone who didn't post a source asking for a source.

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 12:29 PM

Dude, EVERYONE tries to appeal to demographics. They don't see Latinos, Blacks, Whites, or Asian. They see votes.

But do they do it by calling people not of their race "enemies"? No, they do not.

He specifically used race to divide the groups. Nothing else, just race.

I'm surprised you're defending this. If a Republican told a group of white people, "If Whites sit out the election instead of saying, "We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us, ..."", liberals would be screaming bloody murder.

BJJ-Blue

12-07-2010, 12:30 PM

I never said the quote wasn't accurate. I was just pointing out the irony of someone who didn't post a source asking for a source.

When Obama was doing his race-baiting, it was all over the news. I just assumed someone this interested in politics knew the quote to be factual.

Reality_Check

12-07-2010, 02:31 PM

When Obama was doing his race-baiting, it was all over the news. I just assumed someone this interested in politics knew the quote to be factual.

And I assumed that someone familiar with the internet could have plugged the quote from President Nixon into Google and verified that it was factual.

Syn7

12-07-2010, 11:10 PM

Telling one group of Americans to "punish their enemies" based solely on race is race baiting pure and simple. I've actually NEVER heard another politician call any law-abiding group of Americans "enemies" leading into an election. I don't like to make comparisons to Hitler, but that is the exact type of incindiary rhetoric he used in his speeches as well.

all hes saying is that all those people who have been discriminatory and racist are going to see the tables turned on them... not saying latins will destroy other races that stand in their way to whatever they want... come on now... and anyone who discriminates against you because of your race is your enemy... straight up enemy, they are a danger to you rights and freedoms, treated as hostile... regardless of their citizenship...

Syn7

12-07-2010, 11:17 PM

Obviously I do not condone those words, but they were done in private. I asked for examples of Presidents besides Obama pitting groups of Americans against each other based on race. Making a quote like Nixon did in private is not doing so. I need quotes delivered in public, just as Obama's quote was. Apples to apples. ;)

you cant compare them period... it was a different time... people werent vetted the way they are now... they didnt have cameras 24 7... they didnt have as many people digging into their lives so intrusively.... it was nothing like it is now... nixon wouldnt have made it through ten minutes of the scrutiny obama has gone through... even baby bush was scrutinized hard... but not daddy... i cant believe the american people actually put a cia director in the big chair... thats just crazy to me... a potus represents the people... intelligence people, they live in such an abstract world, they train their minds to see things differently... they have nothing in common with an average american other than the fact that ,maybe they used to be one and are related to a bunch of them... to this day he still exercises his right to daily cia briefings... any potus can... nobody ever has tho... just him...

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 08:15 AM

all hes saying is that all those people who have been discriminatory and racist are going to see the tables turned on them... not saying latins will destroy other races that stand in their way to whatever they want... come on now... and anyone who discriminates against you because of your race is your enemy... straight up enemy, they are a danger to you rights and freedoms, treated as hostile... regardless of their citizenship...

That's a total cop-out. He never said a word about discrimination. Again, show me any other President referring to a group of Americans based solely on race "enemies". This kind of race-baitong is something that Hitler and Southern Democrats from the 1960s engaged in. Why someone would make a speech with such similarities to disgusting people like that is beyond me.

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 08:18 AM

yintelligence people, they live in such an abstract world, they train their minds to see things differently... they have nothing in common with an average american other than the fact that ,maybe they used to be one and are related to a bunch of them...

Drake is in Military Intelligence and he seems pretty normal.

And I'd much rather have an ex-CIA guy in the White House than a community agitator.

David Jamieson

12-08-2010, 08:59 AM

That's a total cop-out. He never said a word about discrimination. Again, show me any other President referring to a group of Americans based solely on race "enemies". This kind of race-baitong is something that Hitler and Southern Democrats from the 1960s engaged in. Why someone would make a speech with such similarities to disgusting people like that is beyond me.

lol, just watched that sound byte and I gotta say, you are projecting your opinion all over that and you are interpreting it to suit yourself and your agenda.

So, who do you think the "enemies" are? Is it you? Is Barack Obama telling all the spanish americans that you are their enemy? Or do you think it's more relevant to the laws that directly effect those people in a disadvantageous way? You know, like people who support profiling despite a spanish american being in the states for more than 5 or 6 generations longer than say your family, you think it's cool to profile them because they're brown?

It's that thinking, those thoughts and those actions that are carried out by Americans that are the enemies referred to in my opinion and therefore, your argument is invalid.

Also, your ingratiation to another member is some desperate attempt to find quorum on your otherwise demented political ideas is just unbecoming.

stand up for yourself and what you say. lol

Syn7

12-08-2010, 10:36 AM

Drake is in Military Intelligence and he seems pretty normal.

And I'd much rather have an ex-CIA guy in the White House than a community agitator.

you see thats your problem... youre a partisan type of guy... you see major differences between the parties... whereas i see major similarities... i think they speak far more than the differences...

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 12:08 PM

lol, just watched that sound byte and I gotta say, you are projecting your opinion all over that and you are interpreting it to suit yourself and your agenda.

Much like when you call me a racist based on your interpretation of my posts?

So, who do you think the "enemies" are? Is it you? Is Barack Obama telling all the spanish americans that you are their enemy?

How the hell am I supposed to know? I wasn't the one race-baiting, he was. And I've never heard a US President do that. Again, show me any other President referring to a group of Americans based solely on race "enemies".

stand up for yourself and what you say. lol

I am. I'm asking for examples of other Presidents race-baiting, and I'm standing up for my statement that I've never known any other US President to have done what he did. Of course if you have examples, feel free to point them out.

Drake

12-08-2010, 12:08 PM

intelligence people, they live in such an abstract world, they train their minds to see things differently... they have nothing in common with an average american other than the fact that ,maybe they used to be one and are related to a bunch of them...

What in the HELL are you talking about?

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 12:09 PM

lol, just watched that sound byte and I gotta say, you are projecting your opinion all over that and you are interpreting it to suit yourself and your agenda.

I'm not alone. Here is Charles Krauthammer's take on Obama's race-baiting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aSTzgxtn_s

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 12:17 PM

you see thats your problem... youre a partisan type of guy... you see major differences between the parties... whereas i see major similarities... i think they speak far more than the differences...

Of course I'm partisan. Anyone with an opinion fits the definition of partisan.

And I do see differences between the parties, especially now. We currently have a group of militant leftists running the Democrat Party, and the Republicans are in turn moving further away from Big Gov't than in the past. While I've openly admitted Bush and the Congressional Republicans spent way too much money (as Democrats always do), this group of Republicans are saying those days are over. Time will tell, but they are singing a different tune.

There are other differences. Democrat leaders want to pass Cap-and-Tax, while the GOP opposes it. Obamacare got ZERO Republican votes. Democrats want to control what Americans eat and drive, while the GOP is really finally stressing that personal freedoms are an important issue nowadays.

And again, I'm more of a Libertarian and I agree with alot of the Tea Party planks as well. I've voted for Alan Keyes and Ron Paul, hardly mainstream Republicans. I'm just trumpeting the GOP alot lately because they are the major opposition to the Democrats right now, and the Democrats are basically socialists these days who must be stopped.

Drake

12-08-2010, 01:12 PM

BJJ-Blue

12-08-2010, 03:23 PM

I disagree. I am not partisan and I have opinions. Sometimes I agree with Dems, sometimes Reps, sometimes neither.

Maybe I could have worded it better.

If you have a stance/belief and you feel it is right and you won't budge from that belief, you fit the definition of partisan.

To me, I'd rather have a bunch of partisans. At least you know what they think, what their core beliefs are. It's the people that waffle that I don't like. I like to know what I'm getting, not having to guess what I'm going to get when I vote for a candidate.

Syn7

12-08-2010, 06:59 PM

What in the HELL are you talking about?

i have 6 friends and family that work for csis... 2 of those six are paper shufflers and are just like anyone else, but the other four........ they are a bit different in how they view the world... they are up there in the order of things, and they have access to so much more info than the average citizen and are all very intelligent people... but they are different... they break down problems in a way that is efficient and admirable... but they would make ****ty politicians... politics is about serving the will of the people... intelligence isnt anything near that... and thats ok, but it doesnt make for a great leader of civilians... just my opinion and im sticking to it... until im shown otherwise anyways... so im just speaking from personal experience... they are much more useful as lifer csis employees... keeping us safe from the big bad wolf and whatnot...

Syn7

12-08-2010, 07:15 PM

Of course I'm partisan. Anyone with an opinion fits the definition of partisan.

And I do see differences between the parties, especially now. We currently have a group of militant leftists running the Democrat Party, and the Republicans are in turn moving further away from Big Gov't than in the past. While I've openly admitted Bush and the Congressional Republicans spent way too much money (as Democrats always do), this group of Republicans are saying those days are over. Time will tell, but they are singing a different tune.

There are other differences. Democrat leaders want to pass Cap-and-Tax, while the GOP opposes it. Obamacare got ZERO Republican votes. Democrats want to control what Americans eat and drive, while the GOP is really finally stressing that personal freedoms are an important issue nowadays.

And again, I'm more of a Libertarian and I agree with alot of the Tea Party planks as well. I've voted for Alan Keyes and Ron Paul, hardly mainstream Republicans. I'm just trumpeting the GOP alot lately because they are the major opposition to the Democrats right now, and the Democrats are basically socialists these days who must be stopped.

well ofcourse there are differences... i think maybe the meaning of my post escaped your net... im not saying they are the same...

i agree with some tea party philosophy... some libertian... i agree and disagree with many people all along the spectrum of american politics... my point is that the spectrum isnt as wide and varied as most people seem to think... if i was a US citizen i would be an independant for sure... i would vote on each candidate and their platform... i would also take independance into consideration... i would want a person that was strong enough and smart enough to say no to their own party if they disagree or felt the need to take his constituants side over party politics... and i am not expert by any means, but i see very few people that meet this criteria... in canada too, and i can speak more on that as i have much more knowledge about canadian politics than american politics... i also find british, french, german, italian and spanish politics very interesting too... and ofcourse, there is so much to learn if you look to our sourhern continent... some very interesting scenarios...

Syn7

12-08-2010, 07:17 PM

I disagree. I am not partisan and I have opinions. Sometimes I agree with Dems, sometimes Reps, sometimes neither.

i like that... mos def its the moral path, imo... no blind obediance... base ur decisions on the merrits of those in question, not the letter beside their name or who they work for...

BJJ-Blue

12-09-2010, 08:20 AM

well ofcourse there are differences... i think maybe the meaning of my post escaped your net... im not saying they are the same...

I knew you didn't say they were the same. But I don't think they have that many similarities right now. And I believe it's because the Democrat leaders are so far left right now that there are alot more differences than when they've been led by people more center or center-right. If there wasn't such a clear choice this election, I don't think it would have been the worst Congressional election defeat in decades.

i agree with some tea party philosophy... some libertian... i agree and disagree with many people all along the spectrum of american politics... my point is that the spectrum isnt as wide and varied as most people seem to think... if i was a US citizen i would be an independant for sure... i would vote on each candidate and their platform... i would also take independance into consideration... i would want a person that was strong enough and smart enough to say no to their own party if they disagree or felt the need to take his constituants side over party politics... and i am not expert by any means, but i see very few people that meet this criteria... in canada too, and i can speak more on that as i have much more knowledge about canadian politics than american politics... i also find british, french, german, italian and spanish politics very interesting too... and ofcourse, there is so much to learn if you look to our sourhern continent... some very interesting scenarios...

I agree with alot of that. Again, I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 primary. Paul is for abolishing the income tax and for legalizing drugs, hardly mainstream Republican ideas. We do have too many idiots in Congress that can't think for themselves, and thats a huge problem. They just blindly follow Party leadership. Christine Gillebrand is perfect example. She just votes everytime how Chuck Shumer votes, so you know there is little to no independant thought going on there. And it was obvious that many Democrats were not taking their constituents side over party politics. They had people writing them, calling them, and showing up in person in record numbers opposing heathcare, yet they voted 'Yes' on it. It's obvious they weren't representing their constituents based on the 70+ House seats they lost. You don't lose that many seats if your listening to, and voting like, your constituents.

Syn7

12-09-2010, 11:41 AM

BJJ-Blue

12-09-2010, 12:06 PM

i think the midterms were more indicative of the fickle nature of todays average american than anything else... i also think its that same nature that created the new blue states... the fence sitters decide your fate man...

If the voters are so fickle, you would have elections like this all the time. The Democrats lost more seats than any party since 1948.

sanjuro_ronin

12-09-2010, 12:41 PM

i think the midterms were more indicative of the fickle nature of todays average american than anything else... i also think its that same nature that created the new blue states... the fence sitters decide your fate man...

I don't have any vested interest one way or another but I would think that a consistency in voting shows a far more fickle voter than changes in voting.
Changes = people reacting to a situation.
People that just vote the same way all time regardless, they are far more fickle.

Syn7

12-09-2010, 07:32 PM

Changes = people reacting to a situation.
People that just vote the same way all time regardless, they are far more fickle.

i agree, voting for a party cause of tradition or cause ur family does is very ignorant...

but for those that flipflop, they dont even understand the plans in action, so why would they wait them out and see if they work when implemented properly rather than changing sides everytime things dont change as fast as you want them to... and blame the dems for that, because they promised sh!t they had no hope in delivering...

but making decisions based on emotional response to things you dont have all the info on is the height of ignorance... people should be abstaining in protest of more, alot more, transparency...

right now BC politics are whats interesting to me tho... ive never seen a recall campaign let alone a mass recall campaign... and its likely to succeed too... atleast till the libs give in and do what they are told...

BJJ-Blue

12-10-2010, 08:14 AM

i agree, voting for a party cause of tradition or cause ur family does is very ignorant...

Agreed. My dad worked with a guy who was a staunch Catholic, anti-abortion, hated gays, said his taxes were too high, yet voted Democrat because they were for "the working man".

but for those that flipflop, they dont even understand the plans in action, so why would they wait them out and see if they work when implemented properly rather than changing sides everytime things dont change as fast as you want them to... and blame the dems for that, because they promised sh!t they had no hope in delivering...

That's really not the story this time. We were promised unemployment would not break 8% if the 'stimulus' passed, yet it's never been below 9% since May 2009. We were told our insurance premiums would go down and we would not lose our current plans if Obamacare passed. That was also untrue, and only Obama granting waivers to certain Big Businesses kept hundreds of thousands more from losing coverage completely. We were promised no lobbyists would be in his Administration. That was also untrue. We were told he would close Guantanimo. Another broken promise.

While he has had only two years, in that time he has either lied or been wrong quite a bit more than the voters were willing to accept.

Syn7

12-10-2010, 05:23 PM

i dont think the midterms was americans hiring republicans... they were firing democrats... theres gonna be alot of scrutiny on everyone moving into 2012... people have high expectations right now, some realistic and some not... and there will always be collateral damage from the fallout when a good percentage of the people realise they arent gonna get what they want... sometimes the right people pay the price, sometimes victims of circcumstance get knocked outta office... the dems made promises they couldnt keep... they said they would do things as if theree would be no opposition, like they could just force anything they want down republican throats.... well, look how that worked out for them... now the republican majority has a huge responsibility and people have higher expectations than they normally would during more static times...