Iron Shirt Demonstrations, THE STANDARD

[WildBill]

Good demonstration at about 3 minutes into the video Shaolin Kung fu child & Iron shirt Demo Jin Zhong Zhao.

This is genuine, it is unique in that:
1) he does not move,
2) he does not deflect,
3) he does not have a thin layer of kevlar under his shirt,(no shirt),
4) blows taken are powerful, and
5) HE TAKES MULTIPLE BLOWS FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES
SIMULTANEOUSLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gfq5UEus6k

Multiple demonstrations, but not as high of a level as above, good though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u7bxiU0fGw&playnext=1&list=PL2C760351F47E7A63&index=43

[sanjuro_ronin]

BBBWWAAHHHHH !!!!!!
Oh..you were serious?

[GeneChing]

That's interesting footage of Xiaolong and Wanheng. I wrote a few articles on Xiaolong including a cover story on his father Chen Tongshan in our 2008 November/December issue (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=789): Shaolin Masters Keeping the Faith (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=793).

For more on Xiaolong, see:
2000 March (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=111): The Other "Little Dragon" Shaolin Temple's Superstar, Child Prodigy Shi Xiaolong

SHAOLIN SPECIAL 2003 (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=397): In the Dragon's Den: Grandmaster Chen Tongshan and his Superstar Son, the Little Dragon Shi Xiaolong

Episode Two: Reigning in at the Brink of the Precipice (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=468)

Shaolin Trips - Episode Three: Resting on a Pillow (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=522)

Shaolin Trips: Episode 4 - A Hero Watching the Formation: Chapter Six (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=593)

There might be more Xiaolong material, but I'm getting tired of cutting & pasting. Wanheng was dismissed from the Shaolin order by Abbot Yongxin for impersonating the abbot.

[David Jamieson]

lol, we did that in training last night.

stand, close your eyes, concentrate on breathing and being comfortable.
Your partner steps in and starts hitting you with medium intensity everywhere with the back of the hand and open hand.

This gets you comfortable with being hit. ramp it up as you become more conditioned. It's a really good kung to train.

Iron body/vest/shirt skills definitely help you fell comfortable while in a tense situation where you are being struck.

[TaichiMantis]

As my classmates in the hard qigong (iron shirt) class say "A day without a beating is a day without sunshine";)

[sanjuro_ronin]

You guys do realize that "standing/static" iron body is the beginning and that you must progress to dynamic/moving Iron Body for it to actually be effective in a MA context, right?

[David Jamieson]

You guys do realize that "standing/static" iron body is the beginning and that you must progress to dynamic/moving Iron Body for it to actually be effective in a MA context, right?

No...no, it would appear they don't understand anything more than their antagonistic view of Dale.

you do realize these are more little d-bags from Trollshido.
I would urge anyone to not bother with that nut hugger site because that's where all the juvenile trolls come from.

nut huggers and armchair mma experts pretty much exclusively there with a real wad for an owner who actively messes with peoples info, posts etc and allows his mods to do the same in some sort of an attempt to publicly ridicule folks in favour of their agenda that turns out to be a load of crap anyhow.

Not to be trusted. I dumped my account there after the whole tranny debacle and all that utter nonsense that the site revealed itself to be.

just sayin. :)

Also, figured I'd do a little bashing where it was due in regards to this.

[sanjuro_ronin]

LMAO @ "whole tranny debacle" !!!

[Dale Dugas]

Funny that I get less crap on Bullshido than here. Trolls there are gathered up and cloistered into an area where they cannot cause trouble.

That is saying something very bad about KFO. Trolls here can attack at will and have pretty much carte blanche until you message mods till the cows come home.

that is sad, and lame that Bullshido is better than KFO when it come to moderating trolls, net ghosts, and fools.

[GeneChing]

BSD doesn't have the Bad Mouth Dale club (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59424). You should be honored.

Maybe we should screen newbie members for past BSD histories. Like that would be a good use of our time. :rolleyes:

[Dale Dugas]

Gene,

You need more moderators who can ban the fools before they waste band width.

Just sayin....

[mooyingmantis]

Last night I had the pleasure of training with one of Dale's Jiulong Baguazhang kung fu brothers, Mr. Rick Krausman in Ohio.

As a part of the class Mr. Krausman demonstrated the Jiulong Baguazhang iron body skills. His movements mirrored what Dale demonstrated in the video. The emphasis was NOT standing statically and taking punches head on. Though Mr. Krausman stood in place, he spiraled his body in many directions demonstrating how strikes were deflected. As Dale does in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWNoReij-4&feature=player_embedded

Though this concept was new to me (I was used to the static stance, get whopped on method), this is apparently the proper way to do it in the Jiulong Baguazhang system. I thought it was an intelligent way to learn to take a strike while avoiding injury by redirecting the opponent's force.

Perhaps when we watch such videos, we should put aside our preconceived notions of what a "proper" demonstration of a skill should be and instead open our minds to a new way of achieving the same end.

[HighPlainsdrftr]

Deflection is a separate word from Iron Shirt: Iron Shirt means taking it without damage.

Got it?

Deflection is good to do, it is different technique.

Evading means getting out of the way, another word.

Now we are up to 3 (three) words.

Got it?

Anyone want to see if this crowd can keep track of 4 (four) words, and add another? Don't be chewing bubble gum when you attempt this.

These are all separate SUBJECTS,
you can talk about their interdependencies also.

"Iron Shirt is said to be a series of exercises using many post stances, herbs, qigong and body movements to cause the body's natural energy (qi) to reinforce its structural strength."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_shirt

Wonder if Dale has ever heard of the tale of 'the Emperor with new Clothes'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

"a short tale by Hans Christian Andersen about two weavers who promise an Emperor a new suit of clothes that are invisible to those unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the Emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes, a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!"

[YouKnowWho]

As my classmates in the hard qigong (iron shirt) class say "A day without a beating is a day without sunshine";)

If my body doesn't feel pain oneday, there must be something wrong with me.

[kfman5F]

Our method is to be hit at the end of each movement of an eleven movement form. Before and after we would rub dit da jow over our bodies. For the first year we were hit with a 1x2 long stick and after that with palm strikes from a classmate practicing iron palm. We were hit everywhere except the groin, kidneys and head. After two years, it really worked. I could take hits well and hit hard as well.

[David Jamieson]

Deflection is a separate word from Iron Shirt: Iron Shirt means taking it without damage.

Got it?
You are wrong. It's good to try though I guess. But seriously, if you don't do it, why try to speak to it and be so monumentally wrong? Of course there is movement, absorption and deflection as well as raising the water body, increase density to the tissue, vibrating bone to increase density and hours and hours of being hit. That's the golden bell for you.


Deflection is good to do, it is different technique. It's one of many, yes.


Evading means getting out of the way, another word. How about "missing" that's anoter word too.


Now we are up to 3 (three) words. more!


Got it? you seem pretty sure of yourself for someone who is wrong about what golden bell is about.


Anyone want to see if this crowd can keep track of 4 (four) words, and add another? Don't be chewing bubble gum when you attempt this. YOu read like you stepped out of a b-movie or something.


These are all separate SUBJECTS,
you can talk about their interdependencies also. Virtually all martial knowledge is interdependent.


"Iron Shirt is said to be a series of exercises using many post stances, herbs, qigong and body movements to cause the body's natural energy (qi) to reinforce its structural strength." This is not entirely correct.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_shirt when it comes to esoteric. wiki with care.


Wonder if Dale has ever heard of the tale of 'the Emperor with new Clothes'? Anyone who went to grade school should be familiar with this fairy tale.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes

"a short tale by Hans Christian Andersen about two weavers who promise an Emperor a new suit of clothes that are invisible to those unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the Emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes, a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!"
Yeah, preschool fairy tales that speak to an entirely different modality of thinking in regards to power structures, people and how they fit into hierarchies and as well it was an unabashed shot at the monarchy that was done in a subversive way in the time.

Which brings us back round to your agenda which appears to be Dale bashing.

:)

[Hebrew Hammer]

Good demonstration at about 3 minutes into the video Shaolin Kung fu child & Iron shirt Demo Jin Zhong Zhao.

This is genuine, it is unique in that:
1) he does not move,
2) he does not deflect,
3) he does not have a thin layer of kevlar under his shirt,(no shirt),
4) blows taken are powerful, and
5) HE TAKES MULTIPLE BLOWS FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES
SIMULTANEOUSLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gfq5UEus6k

Multiple demonstrations, but not as high of a level as above, good though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u7bxiU0fGw&playnext=1&list=PL2C760351F47E7A63&index=43

That was stupid, you owe me five minutes of my life back. I'm not even going to comment on your demos but if you put another thread up I'm going to help you to post an "iron face" demo. Have a nice day.

[GeneChing]

I'm locking this because I'm getting complaints. Ironic when compared to what I just locked down (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1075737).