Mor Wan Palm

[blackjesus]

Anyone doing the"Single Push Hand" palm form in Tai Chi Mantis style?


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydbLT8_kes

List of movements: http://ccktcpmantis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=56

I have learnt only 10 moves or so.. feeling good so far.

[EarthDragon]

just curious why you would want to learn a form from a system you are not studying.... there are so many things in our own sytems that take so many years to begin to understand.

[blackjesus]

Cos It is good for health and I might able to learn it from someone.
Technically it is not a Tai Chi Mantis but Grand Master Chiu learn it form a taoist monk.

My style is Hung Gar but the Chi Gung form of Hung Gar are way too advance (Iron Wire form) for me and I won't able to learn it until I learn all the other forms, which will take few years.

[blackjesus]

I can also go learn a tai chi form but Touching Cloud Palm is good stuff and i now have a chance to learn, you know.

[EarthDragon]

My style is Hung Gar but the Chi Gung form of Hung Gar are way too advance (Iron Wire form) for me and I won't able to learn it until I learn all the other forms, which will take few years.

my point exaclty, with so much to learn in the style you practice daily (in this case hung gar) why venture onto something else until your style has been mastered.

PS its all good for health if that's your goal.;)

[mantis108]

Anyone doing the "teaching the clould" palm form in Tai Chi Mantis style?

Do you think it is worthwhile to learn even I don't do Tai Chi Mantis style? What should I expect from it?

If you don't mind my asking, who would be the person that is going to teach you the form? Now, please understand I am not asking for the name of the person per se. I am asking if the person in question really is a qualified teacher of CCK TCPM or he is rather a student who is willing to share his "knowledge"? BTW, beware of people who basically "transcribe" from video learning and claim to teach from really learning experience.

If he is a qualified teacher, then congratulations. You are indeed fortunate to take on such a beautiful form. If, however, he is but student, then I would rather caution you while it is a great opportunity you may not necessarily getting all the nuance and benefit of the training. While health benefit is important, it is also essential to realize that the training of this form should enhance your martial experience as well.

Regards

Mantis108

[blackjesus]

If he is a qualified teacher, then congratulations. You are indeed fortunate to take on such a beautiful form. If, however, he is but student, then I would rather caution you while it is a great opportunity you may not necessarily getting all the nuance and benefit of the training. While health benefit is important, it is also essential to realize that the training of this form should enhance your martial experience as well.

Regards

Mantis108

Thanks buddy! :-)
He's been teaching for almost a decade and he is teaching for free.
I have lots "yuen fan" with CCK tai chi mantis.

The 1st kung fu form I ever learn is 8 stances (even though i wasn't learning tai chi mantis) and I have chance to learn the shaolin Buddha wooden dummy (but I was doing Hung Gar instead).

I did seven stars mantis before when I was still living in HK but I don't think I will learn other CCK mantis stuff as 1) I want to focus on my style; 2)Northern Mantis is not the right style for me.

Maybe I will learn a straight sword form as well if he is willing to teach. Straight sword is full of grace.

one of the student of this teacher told me it is easy to learn as there ain't no special breathing like other forms, is that right?

It will be good to practise it or just a Beijing 24 to soften myself after some Hung Gar and Barbell/Kettlebell training.

Thanks again. and gung hei fat choi!

[EarthDragon]

The 1st kung fu form I ever learn is 8 stances (even though i wasn't learning tai chi mantis)
I have chance to learn the shaolin Buddha wooden dummy (but I was doing Hung Gar instead).

I did seven stars mantis before when I was still living in HK

I don't think I will learn other CCK mantis stuff

I want to focus on my style;

Northern Mantis is not the right style for me.

Maybe I will learn a straight sword form as well if he is willing to teach. Straight sword is full of grace

wow lets talk about contradictions, sorry if i am coming across harshly but you are spending alot of your time learnin somethign you said yo dont want to learn. jusat a little confusing, master what you know in your own style before you fill your self with stuff from other styles especially when you say its not the right style for you

[blackjesus]

Well, I was talking about from 18 years old to 33 years old (big break in between as I was working 16 hours a day in front of the computer for a few years.) 8 stances is a form that teach you the 8 basic stances when you enter the world of Kung Fu. That's why my 1st sifu in Hong Kong taught me that. And I don't really need to do it anymore cause all the stances are in all other forms.

He then taught me Seven Stars Mantis and, few years after that, Hung Gar. I decided to stop doing Seven stars Mantis so I can focus on Hung Gar as I'm trying to a few things better but not doing heaps of stuff and not lame at all of them. (and that's why I chose not to learnt the Buddha Dummy Form) In fact, I won a gold medal for my Gung Gee Fok Fu form (Hung Gar)in a touranment few years ago.

I'm still practising my Hung Gar and the reason I said I don't think I will learn other CCK mantis stuff is because I don't want to mix things up.

Hung Gar forms are all very "hard" and learning ONE soft form from other style won't hurt. In fact, Mor Wan Jang is not even a CCK Mantis form but a form that Master Chiu learnt from a taoist monk.

It is like, say, I go to do Yoga or swimming or go to the park to do Tai Chi. And also, I don't really like the weapon of Hung Gar so I said "Maybe I will learn a straight sword form as well if he is willing to teach."

:)

[EarthDragon]

I gottcha, again not juding by any means however, in martail arts it is always better to be really good at one style then collect forms from others, this is like haveing many eggs with no yolks.

I have been asked to teach forms to people who are not in 8 step and I will always refuse, no matter what is offered.

[TaichiMantis]

I didn't start doing the tai chi side of cck tcpm until three years ago. I added it to my mantis training. It has made me more relaxed and balanced in my mantis. Sifu Li's students/classmates are in Melbourne. Check out my video playlists on youtube. I have one of Sifu in Australia reviewing two man bung bo with the Sifu who may be your teacher. I also have a playlist of all the videos I've found thus far of Mor Wan Jeung, including a performance by my class (I'm the one with the blond ponytail.)

I have also learned the next form, dan tre sou and am halfway through taiji jian...The next form is tai chi chuan, the longest one. After that I will be allowed to learn the techniques and applications of the forms with the advanced class. Many students in our class (including four women) do tai chi, mantis, and iron shirt training classes every week. It is the complete system as Sigong taught it.

Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TaichiMantis?feature=mhum

www.sifulee.com

Sifu has talked about another trip to Australia...he is now in his mid 70's. I will let you know if anything firms up.;)

[alextse4]

Mor Wan Palm or Touch Cloud Palm was said to be invented earlier than Taichi,it contained more fighting techniques than Taichi. It can be practiced in two different ways-one is good for health and the other is mainly aimed in the application.May be this is my Shan Tung Mantis Series 4 next year.

[TaichiMantis]

Mor Wan Palm or Touch Cloud Palm was said to be invented earlier than Taichi,it contained more fighting techniques than Taichi. It can be practiced in two different ways-one is good for health and the other is mainly aimed in the application.May be this is my Shan Tung Mantis Series 4 next year.

Interesting! Do other cck tcpm Sifus teach the application side...:confused:

[blackjesus]

Mor Wan Palm or Touch Cloud Palm was said to be invented earlier than Taichi,it contained more fighting techniques than Taichi. It can be practiced in two different ways-one is good for health and the other is mainly aimed in the application.May be this is my Shan Tung Mantis Series 4 next year.

Tse sifu, Didn't know that you post here!
Gung hai fat Choi! :-)

[alextse4]

Tse sifu, Didn't know that you post here!
Gung hai fat Choi! :-)

恭喜發財!
I like to learn more from here hehe!

[blackjesus]

Is Mor Wan jang introduced on one of the book?
Interested to hear more!

[blackjesus]

Did my 1st lesson and learnt 3 moves.
Feet together raise hands both hands to the left.
Hand draw a big horizontal clockwise circle together with the taichi stance rocking forward to arrow stance x 2
Twist stance and swing arms

Feel good but looks totes different to what I read on CCK site and old footage.

[gunglihchuan]

Hello,

I study CCK Tai Chi Praying mantis. Is form translated as Six Harmony Palm?

I know this form as Lien Her Zhang.

[blackjesus]

Different.
Mor Wan Jang = Cloudy Palm
Some called it Tai Chi Palm.

http://ccktcpmantis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=56

One of the oldest video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCsxEdjWxk

The version I am learning is different. My senior said there are few different version.

[mantis108]

Hello,

I study CCK Tai Chi Praying mantis. Is form translated as Six Harmony Palm?

I know this form as Lien Her Zhang.

Hi GungLiChun (Steve?),

Six Harmony Palm is Lok Hop Jeung in Cantonese or Liu He Zhang in Mandarin. It is from Di Gong Men (ground skill school) which is a "ground skill" system found in Shandong. Six Harmony Palm and Five Hand Punch are sister forms. GM Chiu did not teach the Six Harmony Palm in HK but he taught it in Vietnam.

Warm regards

Robert
Mantis108

[mantis108]

Different.
Mor Wan Jang = Cloudy Palm
Some called it Tai Chi Palm.

http://ccktcpmantis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=56

One of the oldest video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCsxEdjWxk

The version I am learning is different. My senior said there are few different version.

As far as Mor Wan Jeung goes, there is only one version. I am sorry to contradict your senior but I am afraid it's misleading to say there are more than one version of MWJ out there.

[blackjesus]

Hi 108, so the video is the whole form, right?

[gunglihchuan]

I saw this post late last night.
I realized after I logged out that the writer was talking about what was called by my Sifu, Tai Chi Zhang translated as Tai Chi Palm. This was the primary Tai Chi form that my Sifu taught.

Please excuse my romanization of the name of Six Harmony Palm but that is how my Sifu gave to me.

Take care,

Steve

[blackjesus]

Hi guys, now I know why it is different!
(Feel bad to ask the teacher so I look it up myself)

What I am doing/learning is 單推手 (Push Hand Form).

[blackjesus]

edited :-)

[blackjesus]

Almost learnt half of the Solo Push Hand.

i found it boring in the begining but it is getting better and my body feels great after the movement!:)

[alextse4]

Is Mor Wan jang introduced on one of the book?
Interested to hear more!

I just finshed my shandong mantis series 4-cloudy palm[mor wan jang]and I get it painted a small quantity.Please send me a e-mail [alexanderx@126.com]if anyone interest.