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Up to 28 men and boys 'filmed gang rape' of 11-year-old girl on their mobile phones
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364626/Up-28-men-boys-filmed-gang-rape-11-year-old-girl-mobile-phones-Cleveland-Texas-Cleveland-high-school.html
28 people??? in the sexual assaults and rape on this 11 year old girl in texas... real nice... were talking multiple incidents... and now you got people saying the 11 year old dressed provocatively and wore make up on those days... like it matters right... lil ho had it coming to her i guess... :rolleyes: and what kind of parents does this girl have when this can happen and either she doesnt talk or they dont notice the change? and there was a change, always is... and why is she allowed out like that? shes just a lil kid... either way, shes 11 and was raped and still in 2011 we still have people saying she had it coming cause of how she dressed... that is so fukced up...
David Jamieson
03-10-2011, 06:25 AM
There was a case recently in Manitoba where a Judge actually was lenient on a rapist because he said the woman was dressed provocatively!
I personally think he should be thrown off the bench and disbarred.
seriously "dressed provocatively" is exactly zero defense for rape and it is a case of blaming the victim. That kind of thinking needs to be shut down real fast as it is totally unacceptable.
That town is forever screwed in Texas. Too many people involved. I am stunned at the complicity that occurred, that is revealing of a deeper and darker problem in society.
sanjuro_ronin
03-10-2011, 06:37 AM
If any one of those guys were my kid...:mad:
Punch.HeadButt
03-10-2011, 03:05 PM
Stories like this ****ing kill me...nothing I can say to communicate how angry and frustrated I become when reading **** like this...and helpless that I can't just make that kind of sadistic, disgusting **** not happen.
This whole ****ed marble should just be scrapped at this rate. :mad:
anyone who thinks a person deserves to be raped because of how they dress needs some sense smacked in them
Lucas
03-10-2011, 03:29 PM
Stories like this ****ing kill me...nothing I can say to communicate how angry and frustrated I become when reading **** like this...and helpless that I can't just make that kind of sadistic, disgusting **** not happen.
This whole ****ed marble should just be scrapped at this rate. :mad:
i am right there with you....it hurts. i just hope im never actually involved in something like this personally if i ever have kids.... i would snap and i know it.
just think of how many people actually kew about this and didnt say anything... thats a crime... there are probably hundreds of gulty people here...
if you see kiddie porn and dont immediately report it, you broke the law... possessing it is really bad... but just seeing it is wrong... just knowing it exists and not reporting it is wrong... so much guilt here...
there was a case up here where a younger girl was drugged and went rounds on film and a ton of kids got charged... its still a big ongoing case... in a place called maple ridge...
anyone who thinks a person deserves to be raped because of how they dress needs some sense smacked in them
its started by people trying to justify their actions or cause its their kids, or star basketball player etc etc... but it gets picked up so fast by others... its sad like gossip, real sad sh1t...
and lucas, you would be suprised... when your kid gets hurt youre far more concerned about the kid than whoevers responsible for their hurt... if they kill your child, well then you have no kid to hold you back... but you know in your mind that if you get jacked up you arent helping your child... its an ego thing, and you would keep it in check for your kids sake, if not your own...
Drake
03-10-2011, 06:44 PM
Thomas Jefferson recommended castration for rape and molestation. Considering how much he believed in fairness and justice, maybe he has a point?
David Jamieson
03-16-2011, 11:10 AM
Thomas Jefferson recommended castration for rape and molestation. Considering how much he believed in fairness and justice, maybe he has a point?
Chemical castration is a totally viable option in my opinion.
Lucas
03-16-2011, 11:53 AM
americans are to weak to man up and do what needs to be done.
Drake
03-16-2011, 12:05 PM
americans are to weak to man up and do what needs to be done.
Get in the ring, mother^&%$er.
Lucas
03-16-2011, 12:07 PM
id push the button to chemically castrate rapists all day long if i could lol
sanjuro_ronin
03-16-2011, 12:13 PM
Rape is an act of violence, lets remember that gentlemen, castration would not deter a rapist, he would just find another method of rape.
Lucas
03-16-2011, 12:15 PM
Rape is an act of violence, lets remember that gentlemen, castration would not deter a rapist, he would just find another method of rape.
id prefer to kill them all :p
Drake
03-16-2011, 12:18 PM
Rape is an act of violence, lets remember that gentlemen, castration would not deter a rapist, he would just find another method of rape.
It's my understanding that castration does have a psychological as well as physical effect on people.
Lucas
03-16-2011, 12:20 PM
lets castrate a certain forum poster and see if it calms him down lol
sanjuro_ronin
03-16-2011, 12:25 PM
It's my understanding that castration does have a psychological as well as physical effect on people.
No doubt, but until the root of the problem is found, any "treatment" is just theory.
Rape is an act of dominance and violence and a rapist that can't act out the rape will kill.
I don't know of any studies that have shown castration to "cure" being a rapist.
Lucas
03-16-2011, 12:30 PM
No doubt, but until the root of the problem is found, any "treatment" is just theory.
Rape is an act of dominance and violence and a rapist that can't act out the rape will kill.
I don't know of any studies that have shown castration to "cure" being a rapist.
what is your personal stance on dealing with rapists. im always curious if a rapist can truly be rehabilitated from that...i think its similar to a disease.
sanjuro_ronin
03-16-2011, 12:37 PM
what is your personal stance on dealing with rapists. im always curious if a rapist can truly be rehabilitated from that...i think its similar to a disease.
Remove them from society, where they can harm people and get them the mental help they need.
While the emotional response will make us feel better, it won't solve the bigger problems.
Sure part of me feels that castration and death is not to high a price for something like rape, but we also need to realize that rape can be a "learned" disease like abuse, a rapist can be a victim of rape and as such, needs to be helped.
Again, it's hard for us to accept that, with cutting the ****ers balls off being a far more gratifying thing to do, but at the same time IF we can help someone that is sick, we should try.
rape, on average, is much more about power than it is about sex... besides, you cant just castrate somebody coz they are convicted of rape... just coz theyre convivted doesnt mean theyre guilty... i personally know a guy who did 2 years over a rape he didnt do... it was a scorned woman who he did sleep with... he didnt do anything wrong buty when it came down to him vs her, they picked her... i know both t6hese people well, and i know the truth. a few of us even tried to help but we were told to back off by the cops... they werent interested in what we had to say... new evidence seems far too embarassing to admit after they say theyve got all the evidence and are ready to move foreward with charges and trial. they seemed more interested in the order of things than they were the truth... their order, not mine...
and what about stat rape? how many guys get naiuled coz qan older looking girl says shes 17 or 18 but really shes younger? uit happens... some 14 year olds look 17 and act just the same to somebody who doesnt know them well enough to see their real age...two drunk people hook up at a party, not many words are spoken and the guy gets a rape charge the next day... was the guy wrong? maybe, does he deserve his nuttz melted off? probably not...
Remove them from society, where they can harm people and get them the mental help they need.
While the emotional response will make us feel better, it won't solve the bigger problems.
Sure part of me feels that castration and death is not to high a price for something like rape, but we also need to realize that rape can be a "learned" disease like abuse, a rapist can be a victim of rape and as such, needs to be helped.
Again, it's hard for us to accept that, with cutting the ****ers balls off being a far more gratifying thing to do, but at the same time IF we can help someone that is sick, we should try.
yeah but alot of people dont care SR... they see them as wastes of space and the world would be better if they just killed em... cheaper too... and i agree that a certain minority are wastes of space, but not all... and the line is so narrrow i dont trust anybody to make that distinction.... and thats why im on your side on this SR... we are in a position where we can show some mercy, so we should... in a different world, diff times, maybe i would be less tolerant but here in noreth america we have alot of room for tolerance in that respect...
FL GOP Rep. Says 11-Year-Old Was Gang Raped ‘Because She Was Dressed Like A 21 Year-Old Prostitute’
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/16/gop-gang-raped-prostitute/
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE....!!!
sanjuro_ronin
03-17-2011, 05:42 AM
yeah but alot of people dont care SR... they see them as wastes of space and the world would be better if they just killed em... cheaper too... and i agree that a certain minority are wastes of space, but not all... and the line is so narrrow i dont trust anybody to make that distinction.... and thats why im on your side on this SR... we are in a position where we can show some mercy, so we should... in a different world, diff times, maybe i would be less tolerant but here in noreth america we have alot of room for tolerance in that respect...
I have come to understand that violence begets violence, hatred begets hatred and pain begets pain and that the only thing that can break such a vicious and destructive circle is forgiveness and love- coupled with getting the help need to fix the problem of course.
It is NOT easy, it is not our first emotional response, but it is the only thing that can break the vicious cycle.
Grandfather abuses father that abuses son that abuses...
Grandfather abuses wife, father abuses wife, son abuses wife...
Child is raped, grows up and rapes, THAT victim grows up an drapes and the cycle continues...
solo1
03-17-2011, 10:23 AM
so end the cycle. guy rapes...exterminate that person. There is no reasoning, there is no cure. There is only one andidote and it comes in the form of a high speed lead injection to the head.
sanjuro_ronin
03-17-2011, 10:31 AM
so end the cycle. guy rapes...exterminate that person. There is no reasoning, there is no cure. There is only one andidote and it comes in the form of a high speed lead injection to the head.
One can't argue that the problem in regards to said individual would be resolved.
But that doesn't keep it from happening again.
Death penalty is not an absolute deterent and never has been.
Ideally we could find out what is the cause and fix the root so that the PROBLEM not just the perpetrators, is dealt with.
David Jamieson
03-17-2011, 01:32 PM
*snip*
Ideally we could find out what is the cause and fix the root so that the PROBLEM not just the perpetrators, is dealt with.
I think we know what many of the causes are for a person to carry out an act of rape.
It can be generational but it can also be nurtured by the very society we live in and the media that permeates every single turn you take.
How can people be upright, just and virtuous without being taught that? they can't and most of the institutions that do impart the fundamentals of ethics and morality are in crisis themselves.
Churches are having a hard time renewing congregations with the popularity of atheism these days and all the constant media support of same as well. If you are a regular person, you probably listen to radio, watch tv, read a paper and surf the net. Most of the information that is flooding into you is second hand, especially that which you form many of your opinions of the world from.
"the news said it, so this is how I think about that."
To me, that is a disconnect. To simply take in the news and digest it as a facts is not something people do because it is generally directed at people with emotional intent.
Anyway, it is a long journey to being a corrupted human.
This kid:
http://shailakibria.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/baby.jpg
could potentially grow up to rape someone.
How is that prevented except through making the best efforts at a healthy happy loving environment with parents who give the child an unconditional positive regard.
Secondly, how is that achieved? How does one maintain a happy healthy loving environment themselves?
Killing is never a solution, except to hunger.
We collectively need to look at our social constructs and start chipping away at gender bias and gender construction. We need to look at familial constructs and what that is honestly and without all the prejudice.
We basically need to stop manufacturing little barbies and gi joes and to try and alter our own behaviours towards a more positive social construct. If people crave power and don't get it, how does that play out?
If people are told they are made of glass and are beautiful and are never forged a little with hard work, how does that play out?
The solution has to come from everyone.
well, clearly that baby needs to be killed... we cannot let him get away with something he may do later on in life... we MUST protect our citizens and remove this kind of filth from our society... it makes perfect sense... if we kill all the babies crime rates will drop dramatically...
look it up, true story...
sanjuro_ronin
03-18-2011, 05:49 AM
Well said DJ :)
so end the cycle. guy rapes...exterminate that person. There is no reasoning, there is no cure. There is only one andidote and it comes in the form of a high speed lead injection to the head.
i agree
i tend to think along the lines of 18th-century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau when he said there is absolutely no fundamental perversity in the human heart', and that all bad behaviour is the result of society itself.
in other words we are products of our environment we grow up in
while its possible to head off the things that can lead one down to a bad path after a certain point i believe people are hopeless
in the case of rape the person who commited the act went past the point of no return imo and they should immediately rGET the death penalty and be removed from society
sanjuro_ronin
03-18-2011, 07:20 AM
i agree
i tend to think along the lines of 18th-century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau when he said there is absolutely no fundamental perversity in the human heart', and that all bad behaviour is the result of society itself.
in other words we are products of our environment we grow up in
while its possible to head off the things that can lead one down to a bad path after a certain point i believe people are hopeless
in the case of rape the person who commited the act went past the point of no return imo and they should immediately rGET the death penalty and be removed from society
He was wrong, some people are indeed, "Born Bad", whiel all are born with the potential innate in them- it's called selfishness.
Most of us understand that - We know what is right and yet we feel compelled at times to do what is wrong.
Some just can't control it while others will "bask" in it.
you really think some people are born bad??? from a genetic standpoint? or a christian one?
some people are genetically more likely to do some things than others, but aside from the insane, those genes dont mean you will act on em... and even the complete insane dont have to be evil, just "off"...
curious to see where you get that from... i think i could put together a good argument for both...
sanjuro_ronin
03-18-2011, 01:14 PM
you really think some people are born bad??? from a genetic standpoint? or a christian one?
some people are genetically more likely to do some things than others, but aside from the insane, those genes dont mean you will act on em... and even the complete insane dont have to be evil, just "off"...
curious to see where you get that from... i think i could put together a good argument for both...
From a christian stand point, we are all born bad in the since that we do our best to live against the harmony of being with God - pride being THE sin that drives us to believe we don't need God and can be "like" God ( the Adam and Eve thing).
That is not what I am referring to.
Some people seem to be born bad and by that I mean without a "conscience" for lack of a better word.
The likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Po and such.
Sociopaths I think is what they are called.
Of course there are still environmental factors, but these factors would not have effected them to the degree if not for the "genetic mix up" that was there already.
not all sociopaths are bad... more often than not they just go thru life and most people dont even notice how different they are...
i read some great words on it a few years ago... if i can find them again i'll post em up... it was full of stats and case studies...
sanjuro_ronin
03-18-2011, 01:26 PM
not all sociopaths are bad... more often than not they just go thru life and most people dont even notice how different they are...
i read some great words on it a few years ago... if i can find them again i'll post em up... it was full of stats and case studies...
True, but look at what I said, that coupled WITH environmental factors that, under normal circumstances, would NOT drive someone to commit and horrific act.
Pedophila is a disease, no one choose to be a pedophile, people are born that way.
True, but look at what I said, that coupled WITH environmental factors that, under normal circumstances, would NOT drive someone to commit and horrific act.
Pedophila is a disease, no one choose to be a pedophile, people are born that way.
but if they are also born with good sense they wont rape kids... being born a pedophile doesnt make you bad... touching kids is what makes them bad... fantasizing about it is bad...
if i can train my brain to go celibate, so can they... and i love pu$$y... and as hard as it would be to live without it, i know i could...
i am willing to agree that people are born with some sort of genetic pre-disposition, but not born "evil" or "bad"... im not even willing to admit that those perceptions even exist outside of peoples thoughts... good and evil, i think its a construct, nothing more...
the reason i asked whether you meant that in a christian sense or a genetic sense is cause you said it so matter of factly... like it was beyond dispute...
as far as being born to do "evil"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-434442/Are-people-born-evil.html
it briefly mentions that philosophers views i mentioned
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