Best Proffessional Boxer??

[Dragon Warrior]

I have to give it to Roy Jones. He is an amazing boxer. It is close between him and mosley. That would be a great fight

I dont give a God ****,
on the fights you did,
how many moves you got,
or who knows you kid,
cause i don't know you therefore show me what you know,
i come sharp as a blade and i'll cut you slow (GZA Wu-Tang Clan)
Chris V.

[Mr. Nemo]

Hmmm...I voted for trinidad. I'm kinda suprised that no one (as of this post) voted for Mosley.

On pure skill, Roy competes, but as for fighting top opposition...well, we all know the standard complaints about Roy ducking fights. Also, knocking Joppy out vs. being frusturated by Hopkins = edge to Tito.

[YMS]

All you guys in the states, have you heard of a new boxer named Anthony Mundine?
Im not saying his the best pro boxer, far from it. Im just curious if boxing news in australia gets over to the US.
YMS

[Mr. Nemo]

Is the guy that keeps his lead hand at his hip and jabs real hard? I may know who you're talking about. What weight is he? Did he used to play rugby?

[SevenStar]

I agree with Nemo on this issue...I voted for trinidad. Roy has the skills, but his opposition...

-ShortySeven©
Step right up and get it -- whoever wants [defeat]

Come not between the dragon and his wrath...

[jimmy23]

I realy want to see Trinidad and rjj go at it.

I voted for Junior, of course :)


"You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting"
Spinning Backfist

[YMS]

Mr nemo,
Yeh he weighs in at 76kg. Yeh he was a former professional football player here in australia.
He has just won his 9th professional fight.
9 fights, 9 wins, 7 KOs.

I was never into boxing but he has sparked my interest in it.

[thekuntawman]

hi everybody i chose bernard hopkins. he gave roy jones one of his hardest fights, he's very sneaky, quick, and strong. one of the reason i like him is his strong presence in the ring--he is a very scary guys to fight against.

when you see him beat trinidad (who is my true favorite fighter, dont fight him tito!) he is going to go after roy next you guys watch.

the reason you dont see him get a lot of big fights is he is not a politics guy, and he ****es of the boxing bosses because he is very outsopken for boxers rights. HBO does not even like to interview him.

[BAI HE]

Good call. Felix fights north-south as does Hopkins. So I agree with you, Felix is about to run into a guy who he can't intimidate with his power. Felix will NOT be able to back Hopkins up.
Hell Antwun Echols throws grenades and Hopkins just laughed at him.
Hopkins in 8. If Hopkin's doesn't KO Felix, he can forget about winning. It'll be Hagler V. Leonard all over again.

RJJ will never fight Hopkins again. I think Roy's got the best tool box since Ali, but he doesn't wan't any hard fights at this point.
Although, if Tito takes a big enough bite out of Hopkins or if Hopkins starts to look a little shopworn, RJJ might look for a bout with him.

Just like DeLahoya wouldn't touch Vargas before Tito took a big bite out of him. Now that Vargas is softened up, Oscar can't wait to get him in the ring.

[Anarcho]

I actually think Mundine *is* one of the greatest boxers of all time. Anyone who can get the crap beat out of them for the entire fight and still get the decision has to be pretty special... ;)

[Buby]

I feel what some of you guys are saying, but don't ever underestimate Tito's punching power or skill in the ring. If you don't believe me just ask Joppy.

Buby

[Ford Prefect]

I dunno. Every Tito fight I think "this is the fight where he gets stopped" but it never happens. Maybe it will be the other way around this time cuz I think Tito will open up on Hopkins.

[BAI HE]

RJJ could stop Bernard. Tito's not fast enough to "out speed" Bernard like RJJ. Bernard has good whiskers. I don't think Tito hits any harder than Echols and he certainly doesn't hit as hard as Jones.

Tito may have to do a little backing up in this one.

[HuangKaiVun]

What about Lennox Lewis, who's mowed through everybody I could think of to my last recollection?

[Mr. Nemo]

Huh? He sure didn't mow through Rahman.

[HuangKaiVun]

Thanks.

[LEGEND]

sugar shane. he killed the last guy with an incredible combo. JESUS.

A

[Kong Jianshen]

I voted for RJJ, because is the man. Some guy was tyring to argue with me the other day that in a NHB fight, Jet Li would destroy RJJ, I had the best laugh of my life. RJJ is the man.

I would also love to see RJJ and Trinidad go out at. Mosely and De La Hoya are also good fighters. I also belive that Hector Macho Camacho Jr may be someone to watch.

As far as heaveyweights go, I still like Tyson. Always been a fan of him, always will, looking foward to see him rip more people's heads off with his hooks.

As far as all time boxers I like Kid Chocolate, Kid Gavilan, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ray Lenoard, Jack Johnson, ALI, Archie Moore, Whitaker, Hagler, Marciano, etc, etc lets not get carried away ;)

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger." Nietzsche

[Spark]

I agree with Bai He and that other guy. Tito is in for it. But I kinda hope that he fights RJJ after win or lose, that fight will be amazing. RJJ will kill him, I don't know what that debate is all about. RJJ is a phenom who coasts through his fights hardly breaking a sweat. Everyone was warning him about Gonzales and how big a heart he has blablalbala and RJJ handled him like it was nothing.

Anyways, the top two in boxing right now are RJJ and Mosely. Nobody thinks so because they don't have the "big" fights that Tito, De La Hoya, Vargas, etc ... have, but their skill right now is head and shoulders above the rest.

SInce we've started a boxing thread, any comments on Nov. 17th??? I say Lennox by KO in the 3rd.

[bratok304]

Muhammad Ali. :D

[SevenStar]

I will say emin bozteppe

-ShortySeven©
Step right up and get it -- whoever wants [defeat]

Come not between the dragon and his wrath...

[BAI HE]

Spark I totally agree.
Iamnothing, you are correct. Ali was the greatest period. I always feel bad for guys like Foreman, Frazier, Shavers etc.. Those guys were incredible fighters but came along at the wrong time.
Ali is not only the greatest of all time, he fought the greatest of all time. People always talk about Tyson vs. Ali. I laugh, Joe Frazier in his prime would dismantle Mike.

[Taekwondo]

I'm not sure if he's the best but Hector Camacho is really fun to watch.

[Buby]

Great...Then I'll go and fight against people that I know I can cream...beat the crap out of them and look pretty while I do it...And then proclaim myself a true champion.

Come on fellas, please..think about what is being said here.

A true champ. or fighter for that matter takes on all fights not just the easy ones.

As far as Gonzales goes...I'm sorry but he was garbage and didn't belong in the ring with RJJ.

My man Trini. is no joke...moves up in wieght just to fight the divisions champ. He doesn't even get a feel for the division by fighting 5th or 6th ranked boxers. He just goes right after the top dogs.

I don't know I think trini. is going to pull it off. Either way he's already made it into the record books and his accomplishments can't be denied.

Buby

[Spark]

Man, now that we're adding our 'all-times' ...

I won't deny Ali, that's a no brainer. But there's something about Sonny Liston that does it for me more. Maybe it was his sheer annihilation and KO power. Everyone likes to hear about the Knock-Out.

Tyson is/was way overrated and was lucky that there weren't a plethora of serious fighters when he rose to the top. I think the hype of him was what won him most of his fights. Anyways, if he fights Lennox, it'll be good and I'm pretty sure Lennox, the "pugilist specialist" will handle him well.

BUBY - I never said that Gonzales was a good fighter. I just said people were building him up because of how he handled himself against Lederlough (which he lost in my opinion), and that he'd be a real threat. Whatever.

Is it RJJ's fault that he makes all his opponents look worthless?? And using 50% of his skill at that!

I won't deny Tito's prowess, I just don't think he's #1. In my opinion he lost to De La Hoya (and I know i'm not alone) and Mosely was the clear victor - that is why I think he's higher up.

[Buby]

I also feel dela hoya beat trini. and I take nothing away from Mosley, but I feel dela hoya lost his edge after the trini fight. I think dela hoya is more into his singing than his fighting these days, but thats just my opinion.

As far as RJJ, please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that RJJ has no skill, but rather I would like to see him match skill against another great fighter.

I just feel people don't give trini. his proper respect. The man moves up in wieght class and rocks his opponents (champions at that), not to mention that dela hoya pretty much ran from trini. in the later rounds and trini did land more power punchs (still in all I say he beat trini. because he out punched him and the running can always be considered as being out boxed)

When I judge a boxer I look for things like spirit, agressiveness, power punchs landed, and accuracy. Tito has all! He been down before and still manages to get up and drop his opponent, aggressiveness well I need not say anything, same goes for power and accuracy. The thing is that some of his best stats. have been against the top in the boxing game and there aren't too many boxer now and days that can say that.

Spark if you disagree with me then your wrong cause I'm always right :D

Take care,
Bu

[Spark]

Buby -

I dont think DLH lost his 'stuff' after Tito - considering that 'stuff' really won him that fight. Mosely was just the better man that night and won it fair and square. DLH will get back to the top though, but I personally think he's rushing his return.

Don't worry about RJJ - once Tito beats Hopkins we'll all get the fight we want to see him in Tito v. RJJ - OH MAN!

And about Tito not getting respect - there's one simple reason why - He's from Peurto Rico. If he was an american he'd probably be billed as one of the greatest of all time. Same thing with Lennox Lewis. Both those guys don't get half the credit they deserve (outside of boxing circles that is).

[BAI HE]

"Great...Then I'll go and fight against people that I know I can cream...beat the crap out of them and look pretty while I do it...And then proclaim myself a true champion. "

Yeah, Lennox didn't duck Holyfield and Tyson in their primes?

Please.

[phantom]

He was the only undefeated heavyweight champion ever.

[Buby]

I truly feel ya! I can't wait to see RJJ and tito fight as well. Regardless of who wins. I just hope it's a awesome fight.

I also get that feeling about Tito being PR, but thats cool. His record speaks for it's self.

Bai He - Please what? What are you pleasing about? Cause I never mentioned Lenox Lewis' name...not even once! So buddy I think you got your wires crossed on this one, it's cool though!

Spark - Almost forgot to ask you. Have you checked out the website the boxing chronicle. They pick tito 10rnd(KO) over hopkins. It then goes on to say that who ever wins should forget about fighting RJJ and fight dela hoya and Knock him out. LOL

I've left the link for you just incase you need it. They also have other predicitions for other fights coming up. Enjoy buddy!
http://www.boxingchronicle.com/

Take care,
Buby

[RENEGADE_MONK]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yeah, Lennox didn't duck Holyfield and Tyson in their primes? [/quote]

Lennox was non existent when Tyson, Holly, and Riddick Bowe were on top of their game. the only Brit to come forward was Mark Bruno.

Now that there are no real dominant heavies out there Lennox steps up to fight an over the hill Hollyfield and other has beens. Even when old as dirt George Foreman was top ranked you still didn't hear anything from Lennox

[BAI HE]

Lewis was around back then. He was not as well known yet. He was close to signing to fight Holyfield a few times, but always pulled out because of the $$. He didn't realise he wasn't the draw and no one in the U.S. really cared about him anyway. He really didn't want to fight.

[BAI HE]

www.houseofboxing.com (http://www.houseofboxing.com)

[Spark]

Great stuff man!

I didn't check out that site yet, I will later though.

I will say this. I'm confident that Tito will reign supreme next weekend, maybe not confident but I want to see Tito RJJ more than anything and I think it would go down as a classic fight.

In terms of DLH, here's what I think. If Tito just wants $$$, fight DLH. If he wants to be remembered as one of the greats - fight RJJ. Tito will make a ****load more fighting DLH, being the higher draw in that bout. Plus he should fight him now while (in my opinion) DLH has little experience with a heavier weight - I think he'd come out on top (tito that is). Did you see DLH and Casteaias? DLH looked pretty **** confident the $$$ would bring Tito his way. In RJJ v. Gonzales, RJJ let everyone know he is the big man and Tito is coming to him, therefore RJJ is getting the main cut.

It's all about what it is that Tito wants - $$$ or boxing fame.

BAI HE - I don't know if I agree with all of your comment! Mike Tyson was in his prime in the early 90's. Lennox won the gold in 88 - I don't think he was even close to a major player five years later, why would he be ducking him? As well as Holyfield - I don't call $$$ dispute necessarily 'ducking'. In fact, isn't it the champ who ducks, not the challenger????

Besides, is it Lennox's fault that now that he's in his prime, no one else is?

[Mr. Nemo]

I think Tyson still has some of his stuff. Lou Severase isn't a top guy, but he's not a tomato, either, he's pretty tough. 33 seconds.

Ditto for Golotta, to an extent. Now that Lennox Louis' chin has been confirmed to be breakable, it could all end in one punch should Louis fight Tyson (of course, it always can). Tyson can still cripple a man with a single punch.

[nobody]

lennox lewis

[nobody]

n/t

[BAI HE]

Oscar made a huge mistake with Tito. He figured Tito can only fight North. Tito comes and comes a little slow. Oscar figured he had enough speed and ability to change angles, pepper Tito and avoid the big counters.
While an argument can be made that Oscar actually out-pointed Tito, I believe Pernell Whitaker out-pointed Oscar. So their is some justice in boxing!!!
I like Tito and feel he's fighting at a much more natural weight (not a blown up lightweight) I don't see him stopping Bernard.
Bernard can not be intimidated. Bernard has faced big punchers and laughed at their goods. Bernard is one of the best conditioned fighters I've ever seen, this guy trains like Hagler. Finally, Bernard is non-political, non-celebrity and non-sensical. He's never marketed himself well, nor tried to be something he's not and this makes him a tough sell. Make no mistake, Tito is the guy that will guarantee mass PPV and cable residuals, all Bernard has to prove is that he should be mentioned in the same breath as Hagler.
Respect is too big of an issue, as big as Hopkin's heart. This fight is going to be a Holy War. I think Hopkins will be the last man standing.

P.S. You don't want to see Tito-RJJ. Tito was custom made for RJJ. Watch the RJJ - Virgil Hill fight. There is no cure for RJJ, that is unfortunate. There is no one that can touch him
right now and his career is becoming a vacation. No wonder he's not that interested in boxing. Chris Byrd going light heavy to fight him could be interesting. (Byrd can't hit with the heavies, surprised his handlers have'nt figured that out yet.}

[BAI HE]

This is the quote I'm calling you to the carpet for:

"A true champ. or fighter for that matter takes on all fights not just the easy ones."

Here is one example:

Oscar De LaHoya refuses to fight Vargas for years, depite the fact that Vargas has publicly disputed his manhood, sexual preference and ability.
Now.... after Tito gats done demolishing Vargas, Oscar can't wait to get in the ring with Fernando. Why? Vargas is never going to be the same after that.

Just like everyone avoided Tommy Hearns until Hagler blew the tread off his tires, after that everyone was dying to fight Hearns.


IN BOXING THEY DUCK, BOB, WEAVE AND PUNCH MORE IN COURTROOMS AND IN THE PAPERS THAN THEY DO IN THE RING.

That is wwhy the sport is dying.

Peace. Pete.

[BAI HE]

Spent more time in the amatuer ranks than Tyson.
But if you go to www.Lennoxlewis.com (http://www.Lennoxlewis.com) you will see a picture of him and Tyson both aged 17 in the biography pictures section.


# Date Opponent Result Note

1 Jun. 27, 1989 Al Malcolm KO 2 -

2 Jul. 21, 1989 Bruce Johnson KO 2 -

3 Sep. 25, 1989 Andy Gerrard KO 4 -

4 Oct. 10, 1989 Steve Garber KO 1 -

5 Nov. 5 , 1989 Melvin Epps WDQ 2 -

6 Dec. 18, 1989 Greg Gorrell KO 5 -

7 Jan. 31, 1990 Noel Quarless KO 2 -

8 Mar. 22, 1990 Calvin Jones KO 1 -

9 Apr. 14, 1990 Mike Simuwelu KO 1 -

10 May 9 , 1990 Jorge Dascola KO 1 -

11 May 20, 1990 Dan Murphy KO 6 -

12 Jun. 27, 1990 Ossie Ocasio W 8 -

13 Jul. 11, 1990 Mike Acey KO 2 -

14 Oct. 31, 1990 Jean Chanet KO 6 -

15 Mar. 6 , 1991 Gary Mason KO 6 -

16 Jul. 12, 1991 Mike Weaver KO 6 -

17 Sep. 30, 1991 Glenn McCrory KO 3 -

18 Nov. 2 , 1991 Tyrell Biggs KO 3 -

19 Feb. 1 , 1992 Levi Billups W 10 -

20 Apr. 30, 1992 Derek Williams KO 3 -

21 Aug. 11, 1992 Mike Dixon KO 4 -

22 Oct. 31, 1992 Donovan Ruddock KO 2 Granted WBC Heavyweight Title

23 May 8 , 1993 Tony Tucker W 12 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

24 Oct. 1 , 1993 Frank Bruno KO 7 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

25 May 6 , 1994 Phil Jackson KO 8 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

26 Sep. 24, 1994 Oliver McCall LKO 2 Lost WBC Heavyweight Title

27 May 13, 1995 Lionel Butler KO 5 -

28 Jul. 2 , 1995 Justin Fortune KO 4 -

29 Oct. 7 , 1995 Tommy Morrison KO 6 -

30 May 10, 1996 Ray Mercer W 10 -

31 Feb. 7 , 1997 Oliver McCall KO 5 Won WBC Heavyweight Title

32 Jul. 12, 1997 Henry Akinwande WDQ 5 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

33 Oct. 4, 1997 Andrew Golota KO 1 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

34 Mar. 28, 1998 Shannon Briggs KO 5 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title

35 Sep. 26, 1998 Zeljko Mavrovic W 12 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title
36 Mar.13 1999 Evander Holyfield D 12 Ret. WBC Heavyweight Title
37 Nov. 20 1999 Evander Holyfield W 12 Won Undisputed Heavyweight Title


Lennox's Tale of the Tale

Height- 6'5"
Weight- 246 lbs
Reach- 84 inches

Mike Tyson's Boxing Record
45 Wins, 3 Losses, 38 Knockouts
1985
Mar 6 -- Hector Mercedes, Albany, New York, KO 1
Apr 10 -- Trent Singleton, Albany, New York, KO 1
May 23 -- Donald Halpern, Atlantic City, KO 4
Jun 20 -- Rick Spain, Atlantic City, KO 1
Jul 11 -- John Alderson, Atlantic City, KO 1
Jul 19 -- Larry Sims, Poughkeepsie, New York, KO 3
Aug 15 -- Lorenzo Canady, Atlantic City, KO 1
Sep 5 -- Mike Johnson, Atlantic City, KO 1
Oct 9 -- Donnie Long, Atlantic City, KO 1
Oct 25 -- Robert Colay, Atlantic City, KO 1
Nov 1 -- Sterling Benjamin, Latham, New York, KO 1
Nov 13 -- Eddie Richardson, Houston, KO 1
Nov 22 -- Conroy Nelson, Albany, New York, KO 2
Dec 6 -- Sammy Scaff, New York, KO 1
Dec 27 -- Mark Young, Colonie, New York, KO 1

1986
Jan 11 -- David Jaco, Albany, New York, 1
Jan 24 -- Mike Jamison, Atlantic City, KO 5
Feb 16 -- Jesse Ferguson, Troy, New York, KO 6
Mar 10 -- Steve Zouski, Uniondale, New York, KO 3
May 3 -- James Tillis, Glen Falls, New York, W 10
May 20 -- Mitch Green, New York, W 10
Jun 13 -- Reggie Gross, New York, KO 1
Jun 28 -- William Hosea, Troy, New York, KO 1
Jul 11 -- Lorenzo Boyd, Swan Lake, New York, KO 2
Jul 26 -- Marvis Frazier, Glen Falls, New York, KO 1
Aug 17 -- Jose Ribalta, Atlantic City, KO 10
Sep 6 -- Alfonso Ratliff, Las Vegas, KO 2
Sep 22 -- Trevor Berbick, Las Vegas, KO 2
(Won WBC heavyweight title)

1987
Mar 3 -- James "Bonecrusher" Smith, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBA heavyweight title)
May 30 -- Pinklon Thomas, Las Vegas, KO 6
(Retained WBA-WBC heavyweight titles)
Aug 1 -- Tony Tucker, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBA-WBC, won IBF heavyweight titles)
Oct 16 -- Tyrell Biggs, Atlantic City, KO 7
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1988
Jan 22 -- Larry Holmes, Atlantic City, KO 4
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Mar 20 -- Tony Tubbs, Tokyo, KO 2
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Jun 22 -- Michael Spinks, Atlantic City, KO 1
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1989
Feb 25 -- Frank Bruno, Las Vegas, KO 5
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Jul 21 -- Carl Williams, Atlantic City, KO 1
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1990
Feb 11 -- James "Buster" Douglas, Tokyo, KO by 10
(Lost world heavyweight title)
Jun 16 -- Henry Tillman, Las Vegas, KO 1
Dec 8 -- Alex Stewart, Atlantic City, KO 1

1991
Mar 18 -- Razor Ruddock, Las Vegas, KO 7
Jun 28 -- Razor Ruddock, Las Vegas, W 12

1992-1994
Inactive

1995
Aug 19 -- Peter McNeeley, Las Vegas, DQ 1
Dec 16 -- Buster Mathis Jr., Philadelphia, KO 3

1996
Mar 16 -- Frank Bruno, Las Vegas, KO 3
(Won WBC heavyweight title)
Sep 7 -- Bruce Seldon, Las Vegas, KO 1
(Won WBA heavyweight title)
Nov 9 -- Evander Holyfield, Las Vegas, KO BY 11
(Lost WBA heavyweight title)

1997
June 29 -- Evander Holyfield, Las Vegas, DQ L

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Mike Tyson's Boxing Record
45 Wins, 3 Losses, 38 Knockouts
1985
Mar 6 -- Hector Mercedes, Albany, New York, KO 1
Apr 10 -- Trent Singleton, Albany, New York, KO 1
May 23 -- Donald Halpern, Atlantic City, KO 4
Jun 20 -- Rick Spain, Atlantic City, KO 1
Jul 11 -- John Alderson, Atlantic City, KO 1
Jul 19 -- Larry Sims, Poughkeepsie, New York, KO 3
Aug 15 -- Lorenzo Canady, Atlantic City, KO 1
Sep 5 -- Mike Johnson, Atlantic City, KO 1
Oct 9 -- Donnie Long, Atlantic City, KO 1
Oct 25 -- Robert Colay, Atlantic City, KO 1
Nov 1 -- Sterling Benjamin, Latham, New York, KO 1
Nov 13 -- Eddie Richardson, Houston, KO 1
Nov 22 -- Conroy Nelson, Albany, New York, KO 2
Dec 6 -- Sammy Scaff, New York, KO 1
Dec 27 -- Mark Young, Colonie, New York, KO 1

1986
Jan 11 -- David Jaco, Albany, New York, 1
Jan 24 -- Mike Jamison, Atlantic City, KO 5
Feb 16 -- Jesse Ferguson, Troy, New York, KO 6
Mar 10 -- Steve Zouski, Uniondale, New York, KO 3
May 3 -- James Tillis, Glen Falls, New York, W 10
May 20 -- Mitch Green, New York, W 10
Jun 13 -- Reggie Gross, New York, KO 1
Jun 28 -- William Hosea, Troy, New York, KO 1
Jul 11 -- Lorenzo Boyd, Swan Lake, New York, KO 2
Jul 26 -- Marvis Frazier, Glen Falls, New York, KO 1
Aug 17 -- Jose Ribalta, Atlantic City, KO 10
Sep 6 -- Alfonso Ratliff, Las Vegas, KO 2
Sep 22 -- Trevor Berbick, Las Vegas, KO 2
(Won WBC heavyweight title)

1987
Mar 3 -- James "Bonecrusher" Smith, Las Vegas, W 12
(Won WBA heavyweight title)
May 30 -- Pinklon Thomas, Las Vegas, KO 6
(Retained WBA-WBC heavyweight titles)
Aug 1 -- Tony Tucker, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBA-WBC, won IBF heavyweight titles)
Oct 16 -- Tyrell Biggs, Atlantic City, KO 7
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1988
Jan 22 -- Larry Holmes, Atlantic City, KO 4
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Mar 20 -- Tony Tubbs, Tokyo, KO 2
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Jun 22 -- Michael Spinks, Atlantic City, KO 1
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1989
Feb 25 -- Frank Bruno, Las Vegas, KO 5
(Retained world heavyweight title)
Jul 21 -- Carl Williams, Atlantic City, KO 1
(Retained world heavyweight title)

1990
Feb 11 -- James "Buster" Douglas, Tokyo, KO by 10
(Lost world heavyweight title)
Jun 16 -- Henry Tillman, Las Vegas, KO 1
Dec 8 -- Alex Stewart, Atlantic City, KO 1

1991
Mar 18 -- Razor Ruddock, Las Vegas, KO 7
Jun 28 -- Razor Ruddock, Las Vegas, W 12

1992-1994
Inactive

1995
Aug 19 -- Peter McNeeley, Las Vegas, DQ 1
Dec 16 -- Buster Mathis Jr., Philadelphia, KO 3

1996
Mar 16 -- Frank Bruno, Las Vegas, KO 3
(Won WBC heavyweight title)
Sep 7 -- Bruce Seldon, Las Vegas, KO 1
(Won WBA heavyweight title)
Nov 9 -- Evander Holyfield, Las Vegas, KO BY 11
(Lost WBA heavyweight title)

1997
June 29 -- Evander Holyfield, Las Vegas, DQ L

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[Buby]

Thanks for proving my point! I personally don't feel that dela hoya is a true champion. Nice try though!


Buby

[Buby]

I have to agree 100% with your last post...Even the LL part.

What can I say buddy...When your right your right. :D

I would love for trini. to fight RJJ, cause I think it would be a hell of a fight. I don't really think Trini. is all about the money, so I'll say that the fight between him and RJJ is a sure bet. Now that's if he gets past hopkins.

Take care,
Buby

[Lost_Disciple]

I liked watching Klitzchko (sp?). Thought he was a pretty good fighter. I like the way he constantly works his jabs, and he's got suprising punching power, dexterity, intelligence, and speed.
De La Hoya's Double and triple jabs are pretty impressive.
I like Vargas, just cuz he's got the heart to stay and hang in there with people who are way better than him.
Trinidad's a BAMF. Like someone else said, he fights the best, all the time; pretty old school.
I kinda had fun watching Lewis and Naseem get knocked out for all their showmanship and high talk of themselves.
Saying that Lewis mowed through people is kinda funny, considering the Ring praises him for making boxing a science again- implying he goes for winning by points and neutralizing the other guy instead of winning by knock out.
Then you got guys like RJJ and Sugar Shane. Both in similar situations- of being too good for their competition and not making things harder on themselves. Shane has the added hindrance of not being that big of a draw & not knowing enough to realize it.
Saw a bantam weight guy once, Billy the Kid. Had a fight with another guy who I think was favored to win. Billy the Kid counter punched the whole bout and rarely gave the guy an opportunity to hit him. Pretty dang cool fight.

All time I can't decide between Dempsey, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali, Marciano, Archie Moore, Joe Louis, or some other old school guys. Might go with Ali just to be safe; but I like Marciano's work ethic. Don't think anybody had more wins (or was it KOs?) than Archie Moore. The Brown Bomber was one mean guy, one story about him called him a punching machine for his punching consistancy & frequency in the ring (heard the same thing about Cung Le actually). I shouldn't even have to talk about the 2 sugar rays.

As a kung fu guy I think I'll go with Dempsey. That guy went so far as to put meat tenderizer on his face to make his skin all leathery. Dempsey lived boxing even before he had a trainer or coach, fighting guys for small purses just for the experience. He's a good example of someone who loved his art and made it a lifestyle. His grandson's been tearing up guys a lot bigger than him in exhibition matches.

I like studying boxing, but not as knowledgable as a lot of you on here..

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[thekuntawman]

what about the fight on saturday? my vote is for hopkins.

tito trinidad is still one of my favorite boxers.

[Spark]

Glad this one is still going!!!

Buby - my brother, when Tito fights RJJ we should get together and reap the rewards of our predictions!!!! :D

I finally went to Boxing Chronicle and read the stuff about Tito and Hopkins v. De La Hoya. Personally (as I've stated before) - I think Tito v. RJJ would make looking back on either of their careers much more significant. If RJJ wins, then we can say that he deserves all the credit that has been given to him. And if Tito wins (doubtful - sorry! :p ) then he'll go down in history for sure!!!

One thing I feel I should address is all this DLH bashing. And I am not so ready to dismiss him yet. I think DLH has still got it in him to handle a lot of the best fighters and still beat them. I think Tito, Mosely, Vargas, will regret taking a (re)matchup with him lightly, as many people are. I'd like to add that Bai He's point about him dodgin Vargas can be explained quite simply. How many champions do you know that would grant a kid with 15-20 fights a title shot? I can't think of one ;) As well, who would risk losing it in that situation? The kid has to pay his dues, if he can make it to the top then they'll hook up. I still think Vargas is way overrated and would get spanked by DLH.

But I think I"m backing your views on Hopkins. I've heard crazy stories about his days in prison and how when people were getting fukced up, he was the guy they came to!!! Holy !! That's one tough sob.

Anyhow. I'll close it off with some heavyweight views. As always, Lennox will regain his title because he focused like never before and Rahman is enjoying his new house and car just counting on the next big cheque and nothing else. I think down the road, Lennox and that Ukrainian guy will be a great matchup.

This thread rules!!!

[Spark]

Your views are totally valid!!!!

And I agree with most of your points!! (except all times - my fav. is Sonny Liston baby!)

Oh yeah, I gotta throw out Barrera!! Is this guy a beast or what?!??!?!

[arsenal_fc]

Lost Disciple - Klitschko's power is impressive indeed... Against Charles Shufford, the straight-right knockdown punch was amazing. The left hook that finished Shufford off... compact yet deadly.

In terms of an all-time heavyweight champ... that's a tough question. I feel that an in-his-prime Larry Holmes is often overlooked. He had great skills and a tremendous left jab. Being one of Ali's sparring partners paid off for that guy in the ring.

For my favourite all-time in any weight class it's a toss-up between Marvin Hagler and Salvadore Sanchez for me. Then of course there's Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello... the list goes on.

Spark - there's a pretty good story about Hopkins at House Of Boxing:
http://www.houseofboxing.com/Hauser/hauser_07-15-01.asp

If Tito-Jones Jr. ever happens, I feel that Tito has much more to gain by beating Jones than vice-versa. Tito would be the guy that moved up and fought and beat everyone. People would say Roy is the guy that beat up a smaller guy. I'm not saying that I agree with this, but I'm afraid that that's the way it would be looked at. He's just that good... until he gets older and slower, he won't find an opponent at his level.

And I did in fact witness the boxing clinic hosted by Marco Antonio Barrera last weekend. That guy dismantled a former 122-pound champ. I can't see how Morales will want to get anywhere near a rematch.

[Spark]

Glad to see you posting here!!

But my club is Parma ;)

Talk to you later

[Lost_Disciple]

Spark
Gotta get back to you on Barera. The name sounds real familiar, and I mighta read that he's a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately, due to the fact that i've been on Ritalin since I was 6, my memory is like swiss cheeze when it comes to exact details like names and dates. I got no excuse though.
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Arsenal FC
I liked how before that Klitschko fight, they showed his greatest hits. I felt bad for the other guy that Will Smith was in his corner and that he had to get knocked the f*ck out in front of a superstar. LOL I've heard the same thing about holmes, and eventhough i don't know much about his fight history, I'd have to agree with you about benefiting from sparring with Ali. I've heard so much about Hagler, that I really need to check that guy out.
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I really only started getting into boxing heavily this last summer- reading about the history of it and following the names. On the other hand, I've been trying to watch every fight I can possibly see for about the last 2 years, to see if I could learn from the fighting and help out my kung fu..

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Spark]

Man, I need this thread to stay alive!!!

Yeah, Barrera beat Prince Nasseem not too long ago for the title and just beat Sanchez who used to be the champ back in 98/99. In fact, he destroyed sanchez in 6 rounds, it was very impressive.

[Lost_Disciple]

Man, I'm stupid. I even watched that fight. Still would like to see more stats/fight history on him. I was laughin at that fight too. It was kinda fun seein Nassim, and even Lewis gettin knocked out. It's one thing to be cocky on the way to the ring; it's another to be cocky when you're gettin your a$$ handed to you..

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[BAI HE]

Barerra just laid out a blueprint on how to beat Nas and a lotta fighters took notice.
This makes Nas a target, he's a big money bout and now a lot of guys will be looking to cash in and use Barerra's game plan.

I'm praying that a Barerra VS. Morales re-match is in the works.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6300269167.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Mr. Nemo]

Barrera vs. Morales was one great fight. Too bad about the decision, though.

The tito-hopkins match has been moved to the 29th - just thought everyone might wanna know.

[BAI HE]

stop being a *****!
I apologized and was sincere in doing so!

Miss ya, Pete.

[Spark]

Just kidding, i never was. I felt bad about the whole thing though. It's over, lets move on!

I think EVERYONE wants to see the Barrera Morrales rematch - but everyone knows if Morrales has a brain, he'll avoid Barrera as long as he can. He should hold off and see if anyone can do some damage to Barrera (doubtful right now) and capitalize after that. Actually it seems like after the Barerra Morrales war - Morrales has never been the same and Barerra just keeps getting better!!!

Lost disciple - here's some info on Barera - he's 27 (or 28?) and has a record of over 50 wins and 3 losses. That's a ****load of fights!!! But then again, Mexicans turn pro when their 15. :D

Pete - how are you feeling about the Bones Adams, Ayala rematch???

Ayala is the luckiest SOB that ever stepped into the ring.

[Lost_Disciple]

Went to the book store amd saw some pix of the guy in a boxing book, to refresh my memory. It was when he was like 44-1, with 43 KOs; so maybe a bit old. I ended up picking up this book on the history of bareknuckle prizefighting. Awesome book. If I'd had it for that "punching the heart" thread a while back, I coulda shut people up. Apparently one of the big fights towards the end of the 19th century resulted in the younger fighter dying a couple days later from being punched in the heart.
.

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[BAI HE]

I make no BONES about it.
It's time for PAYBACK. IMO he won the first fight.
I know alot of folks disagree with me on this but when a crowd boos like that (they have the best view) at the end of a bout, it speaks volumes to me. Not to mention what I saw with my own two eyes.

I like Bones if you can't tell!

Peace.Pete.

[Spark]

Disciple - what's the name of that book!?!?

Pete - You actually know people who thought Ayala won?!?!?!? I haven't seen many of Ayala's fights, but from what I heard, his last FOUR have been extremely questionable (he won them all on points). Somethings up there. Not like it's some holy premonition that boxing is corrupt, but , I don't see how that's possible. I searched around all the 'internet' boxing site and NOBODY gave that fight to Ayala. Kinda like Lennox v. Holyfield draw you know what I mean??

:D

[BAI HE]

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http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0005/one.jpg

[Lost_Disciple]

I saw one or two of Ayala's recent fights. It's pretty bad when the tv guys score the match by as many as 7 to 9 points in the other guy's favor and Ayala wins. I distinctly remember being ****ed off for a day or so this past summer; but figured somebody was on his pay roll.

Author: Bob Mee
Title: BARE FISTS - The History of Bare-Knuckle Prize-Fighting
ISBN: 1-58567-141-X
Price: about $30 at Boarders book store

I'm trying to find the page # of the story I was talking about, but I'm not there yet in the book. I found it when I was first trying to decide if I wanted to buy it and don't wanna spoil it. :) .

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[arsenal_fc]

Trinidad vs. Hopkins.
Any predictions?

[Spark]

in 48 hrs. we'll have a new thread going. It'll be great.

I think it'll be tito by decision.

but i'd like to see him get licked. beat up i mean.

[omegapoint]

Hopkins will get his arse handed to him, then Tito will fight Jones and get the royal beat-down.

Roy Jones is the best because he uses tai-sabaki and other MAs looking techs, like a left that is basically a backfist. He says he watches his fighting roosters to get pointers on proper movement. Who's making fun of animal styles now? He looks like he could handle himself for real.

Sugar Shane is in 2nd 'cause like Roy he looks like he knows how to fight for real. He also throws a quick hard backfist.

Nobody is gonna beat these guys anytime soon. The only other guys I see out there with comparable boxing skills are Trinidad and Chris Byrd, but Byrd plays too much and lacks power for a heavyweight. His skills are almost immaculate though.

[BAI HE]

"For my favourite all-time in any weight class it's a toss-up between Marvin Hagler and Salvadore Sanchez for me. Then of course there's Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello... the list goes on."

You have EXCELLENT taste, but you forgot Duran, who was as good as anybody and as unlikeable as any.

You're right about Larry Holmes. Poor guy could never get out of Ali's shadow.

Buy or steal a copy of "Holmes Vs. Norton" that was a serious fight.

SPARK - I can't get out of the SanJuan thing.

- I'm still trying to get a hold of my friend up the street that I'm supposed to watch the fight with :mad: (I have no cable now)

- And I have to quit my Kwoon for schedule reasons :mad:

My life sucks right now. But Bernard will make me smile tonight. I think Bernard can handle Felix's power. I like Bernard in eight by KO.

This will be a great fight. Both of these guys are sound and determined.

[BAI HE]

"Hopkins will get his arse handed to him, then Tito will fight Jones and get the royal beat-down."

Omega, Jones decisioned Hopkins and Hopkins was right there in that fight. So how does Tito destroy a man Jones couldn't?

[Lost_Disciple]

Watching the Tyson-Nielson fight and trying to figure out why Nielson quit. Nielson was doing the best of anyone since Holyfield at containing & withstanding him- and nowhere near as dirty. Nielson's left eye didn't even look all that swollen, and I didn't see any blood oozing from the cut, let alone going into his eye. It's one thing to withstand Tyson; it's another to withstand the heaviest Tyson to date- and Tyson wasn't just fat neither.

Eerie about some of them Hopkins predictions. But I got respect for both Tito and Hopkins, 'cuz neither look to be ducking big fights.

Did some reading on the plane the last few days- picked up the last couple copies of the Ring. Barera's good, but good gawd, he's in a deep division.

Can't wait for Judah-Tszyu. Really anticipating how Klitschko, Whitaker, and Rahman develop. I agree with the Ring that maybe De La Hoya's takin some easy competition to get his confidence back up and I am sure Tyson's doin the same. Curious how Hammed's gonna come back. I think Byrd brings an interesting new dimension into the heavyweight scene, even if his fights are boring enough to put you to sleep. He did make a further clown out of Tua- but I haven't respected him since the Lewis fight. Thought it was funny how they theorized Paulie Ayala sold his soul to the devil.

"Bobby that foozeball is the debbil"
"No momma YOUR the debbil"

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Spark]

There's a boxing thread on the kung fu board regarding the tyson v. kneilson fight. it's on pg. 2 by now i think. check it out.

why do so many people care about Rahman? He's not that good!!!!! :mad:

[Lost_Disciple]

He may or may not be that good, I couldn't come to a judgement in his fight with lewis, only that he was the smarter, quicker fighter. The thing is, the guy obviously was smart enough to train hard for that fight and i'd hope he's smart enough to be training his a$$ off right now. Good or no, training and the right mindset can make you better.

Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[omegapoint]

Bai He: I've never seen Hopkins use his boxing skills like that before. Usually he ruffs guys up and holds them behind the head and punches them and fouls and isht. No one is infallible. I was WAYYYY off! Tito got his pompous asss handed to him, and I was glad, to tall you the truth! I thought Oscar beat him anyways... As for Bernard vs. Roy-we'll see. My money's still on Roy. Hopkins got skills though. He's now #5 behind Jones, Shane, Mayweather Jr., and Judah...

"Tiger, tiger, uppercut!!!"

[Spark]

I think what we might see with hopkins - because I don't really think the Jones fight will happen, is see him drop to 155 (which he can do since he weighed in at 157) and take on the plethora of top notch fighters in the 147-154 range. IE. De La Hoya, Mosely (maybe), Forrest, Vargas etc ... I think that's where we'll find his best fights in the future.

[Buby]

**** Spark...Your alright! I like the way you think and i couldn't agree with you more.

I had never seen Hopkins fight before and I must say I was impressed.

The one thing that didn't go down right with me was tito's corner. His father sucked day ol' dead camel ass. What ever happened to slappin tito up and all the shoutin and sh*t that his father normally does?

Anyway, Tito is still one of the greatest in my book. Even the great ones have to loss sometime, otherwise, it gets boring.

buby

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist.

[Spark]

Where have you been all this time???

I've been waiting for your input on SO MANY fights!!!!!! You're the only one here who's got my back!! And Arsenal that is ...

That fight was easily one of the best I've seen in a long time. Probably mostly because he knocked off someone who was deemed the best and unbeatable ...

Hopkins is great. And I'm looking forward to all of his upcoming fights.

Did you catch your hometown boy this weekend!?! OUCH. I didn't see it, but it should be on TV tongith I hope. All I gotta say is don't believe the hype. And that will transcend to Nov 17 BABY AWW YEAH.

Any other fights you want to talk about!!?? :)

Later!

[Buby]

I'm saying put a bro. on!!! What hometown hero? Mike?

I've been really busy with family, training, and work, so I've been away from the tube for a while. Help a bro catch up!!!LOL

Now I know you weren't talking about my Yanks getting rocked 15 - 2!!! :mad: It's all good there still my boys. **** Diamondbacks!!!

Na...The DBacks played awesome. They deserve to be champs. I just hope they don't get to attached to title, cause the Yanks are going to do it to them next year. :D Just goes to show that even the best loss sometime or another.

Whatcha think about mike? I think he handled himself like a pro for a change. A very nice change at that.

Yeah Man..Hopkins made a believer outta me. He rocked the snot outta trini :D

Talk to ya soon budd!!!

Buby

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist

[Spark]

NO! I'm talking about your boy from Brooklyn, Zab Judah!!! HE GOT ROCKED!!!

Like I said before, don't believe the hype. Same with Hopkins/trini, sometimes there's all talk and people forget that the opponent (hopkins/Tzu) got to that point for a reason!!

What are thinking about Lennox v. Rahman? Go to the KF board to pg. 3 or 4, there's one called MR.NEMO FIRST WITH TYSON RESULTS - the debate got pretty heavy about that match. I stand by my word - Rahman's all luck and Lennox is the real deal. He'll prove this Nov. 17.

I don't like Tyson very much and am looking forward to him getting rocked again soon by someone who actually punches back.

Anyhow, let's keep this one going!!!

Haha yankees suck - oh snap. :p

[Buby]

My cousin told me that Judah got rocked lovely, but I didn't get to see the fight. My bro-inlaw recorded it so I hope to see it this weekend.

I'll jump over to the other forum, and speak my peace.

Expos suck day ol' dead sweaty camel balls!!!! :p So how you like them apples. LOL

Yanks suck!!! Jealously is a ***** ain't it spark ol pal. :D

Yanks ROCK!!! Expos can't buy a hit, never mind a game. Btw..Did you know your team lost 94 games and only won 68. Talk about having a losing record.LOL

Buby
Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist

[Spark]

Where did I mention that I like the Expos?

I'm a TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS FAN first and foremost!!!!!!!!

[Spark]

Did you check that boxing thread - maybe not because I was off by about 10 PAGES!!!!!

As of now, it's on pg. 11 on the KF forum. Check it out.

Later.

[Buby]

Never did you say you were an Expos fan, but I figured I would chuck that in being that your from Canada. :p

Ohhh...And don't talk about my Yanks!!! :D

I almost forgot to mention that the maples suck too. LOL


Buby has spoken!

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist.

[Lost_Disciple]

Actually I missed both...

Missed the last 2 games of the World Series.
They're MY Yanks too Buby! hehehe
Found out from this thread that they lost.
What a downer.

Missed the Tzsyu-Judah fight as well;
EVENTHOUGH I'd been looking forward to it since like JULY;
EVENTHOUGH I've got the cable channel and was looking at advertisements everyday the last 2 months;
EVENTHOUGH I probably had nothing better to do...

GRRRRRRRRRRR

I was rooting for Tzsyu at least...
and at least i didn't have to actually watch my Yankees lose...twice...

Rooting for Rahman, 11 days from now; though i admit he's an underdog.

In all likeli-hood, come the 17th I'll just be greatful that the guy's from Baltimore and not NYC:

Even the GREATEST CITY in the WORLD might not be able to handle losing a Super Bowl, a World Series, the Twin Towers, AND the heavyweight championship all in the same year. But NY will survive.

MAN, this stinx!

Anything interesting in boxing coming up after Rahman-Lewis II?

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/4_3/images/gk1.jpg
Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Buby]

I feel ya bro.! First we loss our towers, then trini loses, then OUR (LOL) Yanks loss, then one of BK's fighters get rocked...Sh*t!!! What's this world coming too! :D

It's all Sparks fault! :D

Buby

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist.

[Spark]

HAHAHA

Well as a matter of fact I am an Expos fan, but I always root for the underdog (except Rahman :p )

We could have serious discussions about how that organization has been s.hit on like no one else. It's too bad, a lot of mistakes were made and things went wrong.

Don't get me started with "your" (and lost's :rolleyes: ) "yanks". Actually I won't even go there because I ain't worth it.

PUH-LEASE Buby. Don't even try with the Leafs. This team isn't even close to maturing and they're a top team. We'll have the cup within 3yrs you heard it here first. I Bet you're an ISLANDERS fan now, aren't you ;)

Lost - I was going for Tzsyu as well, I guess I should have had the balls to post it!! But NOBODY gave him a shot ... hmmm that sounds familiar :D

Anyhow, LOST - I can't wait for the 17th. On the 18th one of us will be saying, "I TOLD YOU SO". AND IT"S GOING TO BE ME ******.

STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT

[Lost_Disciple]

LOL
We'll see.

I claim New York cuz that's where my parents are from. I been rootin for 'em since I was born- the year Reggie Jackson went 3 for 3 in the World Series.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/4_3/images/gk1.jpg
Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Spark]

They edited my 'd.a.m.m.i.t.'

what's up with that? :confused:

[Buby]

Spark got no props. Hahaha Even the mods. don't give you no play...just like your expos..no props. :D

Yanks what? HUSH I said!!!LOL

Actually buddy I like the rangers, but I like the islanders uniform better. :D


**** lost...you took it back with Reggie. Do you remember when Goose Gosige(sp?) hit dickie thon(sp?) in the head with a 100 mph fastball. (Yanks vs Dodgers - I think it was the the 1980 world series) Left poor Dickie out of commision for three seasons.

Ohh and spark stop making excuses for your teams.
:p

Spark who you got winning on the 17th...Rahman!!! Might as well continue your losing streak :p

Spark what part of Canada your from? Do you train in MA? Which system? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm thinking of taking a trip to your neck of the woods some time next year. Maybe we can hook up, beat on each other a little or just train, go out have a few drinks (ok a lot of drinks), and take in a few sights (the cute ones that is).

Fellas have a good one :D

bub

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist.

[Spark]

hahaha

My man, I'll spare you my piece on the 'spos, but it's a sad story. Not every town has 20 million people and 100 million payroll. Oh well, capitolism at it's finest ... :(

I should have known you base your teams on their uniforms - how old are you again? 10? HAHA :D

Give me a break buby, do you actually think i put any stock in Rahman??? DID YOU READ THE THREAD ON THE KF BOARD!?! Pg. 11ish!! READ IT! Spark will be in Lewis' corner on the 17th!!! Lost is the one that thinks Rahman is good (and it drives me CRAZY :mad: ) The 17th will see Lewis, the Pugilist Specialist - the Classic Boxer - show the world that Rahman is the same boxer that lost to Tua and Maskeav. Lame lame lame.

I am Wing Chun. I live in Toronto. What exactly does my neck of the woods mean? If you say something like i'll be in Vancouver is that near toronto, i'll slap you :D

I don't drink, but I know where to find all the ladies ;) So i can take care of that.

[Lost_Disciple]

Well seeing as how I was 3 years old, I don't remember it too well; just that the yankees won a lot of games that season.
I had Goose Gosselenger's baseball card, i remember that.

I do however remember when guys like Deion Sanders, Kevin Maas, and Al Leiter were yanks. ;)

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/4_3/images/gk1.jpg
Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Buby]

It's Baby Bitoch to you!!! :D

Please re-read my comment on other thread about the islander uniform. I hope your reading comprehension in French is better than your English. :p **** I'm funny!!! And not funny looking. :D

Where in Canada? Not sure! All I know is that I will be planning a trip out there sometime next year. Being that you know where the chicks are I guess I'll be in your part of town. :D I have a feeling that this must be the look you have on your face :eek: right now. LOL

Ahh...a wing chunner! Cool :cool:


Lost - I had the goose's card till my younger bro. tore it up :D **** kid recked my transformer collection, sh*t, he's lucky I didn't ha hum batt boy his ass :D

Take care ladies...I mean gentlemen :p


Buby aka Baby b :)

Yo Dogs ya bes chill
Cause I flip like sifu Gary and his Yau Kung Mun click, wit two kicks and three pheonix fists
Trust dukes
your gonna split from the ging running through the wrist.

[Lost_Disciple]

Imagine my horror at finding out that the same baseball cards we used to play "toss the card in the bucket" with; contained a Ryne Sandberg rookie...

Yah my transformer collection got trashed too.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/4_3/images/gk1.jpg
Just some thoughts from an ignoramus.

[Spark]

I'm just checking out the new forum, and making sure my profile is still active. hmmm lets talk boxing since i'm here.

Tyson v. Lewis
Mosely v. FOrrest
Barrera v. Morrales

:o :( :) :D ;) :p

[Pork Chop]

Wow, just stumbled over this old gem when I was searching for some Dempsey info.
This is a PAINFUL read.
I (Lost_Disciple) sure didn't think before I posted.

Barrera- I've seen the guy come out and be a dominant counter puncher with quick hands and I've seen him fall apart. He was deadly against Naz. As much as I respect him, i'll be rooting for Pac again in the rematch.

Naz- In retrospect I hated him coz the HBO guys convinced me to hate him. yeah, i am vulnerable to peer pressure, but they talked so much trash about the guy. I almost wish he were back coz i do like the showmanship afterall. He's definitely not my favorite boxer in the division.

Pacquiao- man I love this guy. Everytime he fights, even if it's a loss, he has me on the edge of my seat. Favorite active fighter right now. I really think Morales is done and I just hope Pac closes the deal in September.

Rahman & Lewis- I rooted for this guy coz something about lewis just made me mad. It's one thing to be an exciting, slick boxer like Roy Jones & win on points, but Lewis did it in a slow, plodding style, until Rahman, Golota, and Vitali Klitschko drew the beast out of him. I actually met some of Rahman's trainers when i was living in baltimore and they didn't think much of him. They described him as having a big right hand and no interest in actually learning boxing. over the last few years he went back to the drawing board. He's got a bit more skill, but it's really equated to some boring azz fights (his last 2 were TERRRIBLE). I think he should fight sam peter and retire if he gets KOd.

Wladimir Klitschko - I still like this guy and still wanna see him take his rightful place at the top of the heap in the heavyweight division. I like James Toney too, but if Toney turns in anymore performances like his last one then I like Wladimir beating him to finally earn some legitimacy. Saw the Wlad - Brewster fight and have never seen anyone fall over like that. I finally started to understand how good Manny Steward is in the Peter fight and I think he can keep Wlad from suffering anymore setbacks.

Paulie Ayala - I live in his town now, so i gotta like the guy. haha He's supposed to be building a gym around here. It's funny, the boxing gym around here is WAY more pro-Spadafora than pro-Ayala.

De LaHoya- got a lot more respect for this guy than Vargas, Mosley, or Trinidad. His legacy's secure. No more "baby face" type comments on him outta me.

Hopkins- I still really like the guy, coz his pure boxing skill is on another level. Kung fu people like to talk about having skill that doesn't require a lot of physical attributes, well this guy is at that level. Fights may be a lil boring but he's totally old school.

Tito & RJJ - these guys both didn't stand up that well to adversity. RJJ thought he was taking a tune up when he jumped in the ring with Glen Johnson. The third Tarver-Jones fight was embarassing. If jones comes back again and does better, i may have hope; but i definitely put oscar way above him. Tito proved himself to be pretty 1-dimensional and retires at any loss, instead of actually learning angles & movement.

New York- still a bit pro-new york; but I think I'm going to try to embrace my new town- fort worth.

Best Heavyweight of all time-
Marciano was told he was too small his entire career and still dominated. I don't care if the heavyweight division at that time wasn't great; there were a LOT more people in boxing back then than now, and he overcame every challenge put in front of him, even when told he had no chance. He also worked out like a maniac and had a great trainer so I think he would go far in any era, he just wanted it more.
Interestingly enough, i think Jack Dempsey would do the best in MMA.

[FuXnDajenariht]

duuuude. de la hoya totally spanked mayorga.... i was kinda routin against him but ill definitely not be callin him *****boy anymore and ill even overlook the love ballad album he dropped.

[Liokault]

You will not find the best ever in the USA or in over blown heavy weights.

You need to look to the fighting Welsh/Italians and a guy trained in a shed, on a hill side by his dad (who was not a pro trainer)

I give you http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story_Page/0,14442,6243_1071771,00.html

Calzaghe

[Pork Chop]

Yeah, I was rooting against DeLaHoya as well, purely off the pre-fight hype, but NEVER AGAIN. Didn't think Mayorga would actually win coz De La Hoya can do anything Spinks can do, but 10000000 times better.




Calzaghe's a great one for sure. Though, I don't blame you brits clinging onto your last remaining hero after Hatton's last fight. :p Hatton had a good thing going when he could maul his opponents, definitely should drop back down.

[kwaichang]

Sugar Ray Robinson 1, Roberto Duran 2, Muhammad Ali 3, Jake Lamotta 4, Rocky Marciano 5 You Can Put Them In Order Kc

[Pork Chop]

OHOHOHOH (hehe guess I'm that kid in class) Recorded that 6 hour Sugar Ray Robinson special on ESPN classic. Came out of watching that with new found respect for Fullmer and Basilio- especially basilio.

He said something to the effect of:
"here I'd come up from welterweight to fight this guy, he stood half a foot taller than me, we were standing there and he started to scowl at me to intimidate me. I just laughed at him"

Imagine that: the greatest boxer in the history of the sport starts staring you down and you just laugh. That's BAWLZ.


BTW- Yes, I consider SRR the greatest boxer ever; it's a given, he's just on another level above everyone else. I just assumed that this thread's "who's the OTHER best boxer ever". hehe

I have a hard time watching Ali fights these days. He got away with more dirty stuff than any boxer ever should have: palming, stalling, holding and hitting.

[Cobra Commander]

Man I'm waiting patiently for the next Manny Pacman fight! This guys is very good. Did anyone catch the 10th round of his match wit Eric Morales?
****! Manny Pacman straight from the Philippines! Manny Pacquiao is now officially scheduled to fight Oscar Larios, a two-time super-bantamweight champion coming July 2, 2006. The fight is a 12-round meeting and is for the WBC International Super Featherweight Title to be held at the Araneta Coliseum in Quezon City, Philippines.


LOL does anyone remember Prince Nas Hamed from Britian? This guy had good footwork back in the days, not too great cover up though.

hmmmmmmmmm.... good boxers? let me think......
People say Winky Write is good, Floyd Mayweather, Zabb Judah (in the early rounds, weak chin though).... Haven't seen too many of these guys fights though.

There is also Brian "Hawaiian Punch" Viloria (bantomweight), Marco Antonio Barrera.

Good female boxers I've noticed; Laila Ali, Anne Wolfe, Christy Martin.

Retired guys who I think are good

= Nigel Benn (sad at what he did to that other great boxer though), Mike Tyson (his left hook and uppercuts can probably still hurt a man seriously today), Lennox Lewis (his left jab and footwork was awesome), Evander Holyfield (small powerful man for a heavyweight), Sugar Ray Leonard (Ali footwork!).

Now the really old school good boxers I respect=

Muhammad Ali
Smokin Joe Frazier
George Foreman
George Chuvalo (the man who went 15 rounds the distance w/Ali)

So many more.
Always been wondering about a good boxer who has studied Wing Chun and Kali too.
Just wish I knew of his name! Was he a Heavyweight or a Cruiser weight... anyone?

[Pork Chop]

Always been wondering about a good boxer who has studied Wing Chun and Kali too.
Just wish I knew of his name! Was he a Heavyweight or a Cruiser weight... anyone?

That's news to me. Can't even think of anyone off the top of my head.


Nas had a funky style- he trained how to dodge & slip from a very young age.

Nigel Benn was an alltime great, yeah it is a shame about Gerald "G-Man" Maclellan.

I still don't understand how anyone says Holyfield was small, he's like 6'2 or 6'3 and buff.... Best cruiserweight of all time though.

Think i've only seen villoria fight once.

[Cobra Commander]

That's news to me. Can't even think of anyone off the top of my head.


Nas had a funky style- he trained how to dodge & slip from a very young age.

Nigel Benn was an alltime great, yeah it is a shame about Gerald "G-Man" Maclellan.

I still don't understand how anyone says Holyfield was small, he's like 6'2 or 6'3 and buff.... Best cruiserweight of all time though.

Think i've only seen villoria fight once.


I forgot to mention Mike Tyson. Tyson is a very good "close quarter" fighter. He is only 5 ft 11 for a heavyweight so it was easier for him to get in close and do his thing. Probably why Cus trained him to develop and hone his left hooks and uppercuts, because these attacks are well suited for a small close range fighter.

Taller guys like Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis have quicker and longer reaching jabs though. So once the taller boxers knew about Tyson's desired close range distance, they learned to use their jabs more and stay out of Tyson's reach.