Don't ask Don't Tell Repeal

[A BIONIC LEG]

I'm Air Force and I know what I think about the current "Don't ask Don't Tell" repeal, but what do you think?

[Drake]

I really don't care. We've had gays in our ranks for a long time, and most of the time, we knew about it.

[David Jamieson]

I'm Canadian, so I laugh at the misplaced puritan values of the world's premier fighting forces.

[David Jamieson]

Also, think of it this way.

It is morally devastating to an Al Q crew to have one of theirs dusted by a gay.
Especially if you tell them that they have been overpowered and put down by gay forces from the west.

They really, really don't like that and it shatters their resolve.

We should send nothing BUT gay soldiers to deal with the M.E.
I think they'd all stop mucking about pretty quick if they
knew the gay army was coming for them. lol

[Drake]

I'm Canadian, so I laugh at the misplaced puritan values of the world's premier fighting forces.

I say again... us guys on the ground really don't care if someone is gay or not.

[David Jamieson]

I say again... us guys on the ground really don't care if someone is gay or not.

Aren't you a desk pilot? :p

[Lucas]

Better still if u let them know we can kick their arse with gay women!

[David Jamieson]

Better still if u let them know we can kick their arse with gay women!

Except for combat flyers, I don't think there are many (if any) female armed combatants in the US mil.

There are a few countries that allow it.
For instance, Canada allows females to serve in all military roles, but they are definitely a minority.

It's been 30 or so years now, so I don't think more women are going to magically show up to be soldiers.

There are some things that Women are just not inclined towards same as with men.

[Lucas]

too bad there isnt a gay bomb that would be rad.

[Drake]

Aren't you a desk pilot? :p

I am now :D

But not always. I'm done crawling in the mud and shooting stuff. Now I analyze, track, report, and generally creep about our enemy's capabilities :D

[Drake]

Except for combat flyers, I don't think there are many (if any) female armed combatants in the US mil.

There are a few countries that allow it.
For instance, Canada allows females to serve in all military roles, but they are definitely a minority.

It's been 30 or so years now, so I don't think more women are going to magically show up to be soldiers.

There are some things that Women are just not inclined towards same as with men.


Everyone is an armed combatant now. You have plenty of females running convoy security and operating cordon and searches. Every MOS now has some sort of IN task now associated with what they do. FLOT has gone the way of the Dodo.

[David Jamieson]

Everyone is an armed combatant now. You have plenty of females running convoy security and operating cordon and searches. Every MOS now has some sort of IN task now associated with what they do. FLOT has gone the way of the Dodo.

well, not on paper yet.

While that may be due to thinking on their feet in the field, the rule is that only AF pilots may be female in combat roles. As in dog fighters, bombers etc.

Boots on the ground infantry woman though? Rare if at all.
I mean, there may be some out there and certainly if there are any, the majority of American people are wholly unaware of it.

Mind you, in the sh1t is in the sh1t.

[SanHeChuan]

Gays should be allowed to serve openly.

Sure there will be some integration problems, there always are when introducing a minority group.

USMC, USAFR

[A BIONIC LEG]

Intrestignly enough the only "combat" roles females do not hold in the AF is Combat control, Pararescue, Tac P, and I think Combat Weather, other than that they fill all other roles.

It's kind of funny but after today my perspective has changed a little bit with the whole thing. :confused:

[David Jamieson]

Bottom line is this.

A man and wife team on the front where the man watches his wife's head get turned into a cloud of red dust will degrade morale faster than salt makes a pancake taste crappy. And vice versa.

I think the psychology of warfare dictates the gender circumstances in relation to morale.

[A BIONIC LEG]

Bottom line is this.

A man and wife team on the front where the man watches his wife's head get turned into a cloud of red dust will degrade morale faster than salt makes a pancake taste crappy. And vice versa.

I think the psychology of warfare dictates the gender circumstances in relation to morale.

I agree to an extent, if there is a military couple (married) the chances of being "over there" are pretty slim. In order for a man to watch his wife be killed by gun fire (in this particular instance) they would have to be in the same job, and same shift under the same supervision, which does not happen. If it does it is poor management. However I am speaking strickly from an Air Force veiwpoint.

David, I'm not trying to start something, I'm just speaking from experience. In the current amount of time I've been in (short 5 years) I've worked quite a few married coupples in the same job however diffrent offices and they have been deployed at diffrent times. Right at this moment I have 4 people in my office alone that are married to military but they have diffrent jobs.

[Syn7]

i can only speak for myself, but i wouldnt care one way or the other... as long as i trust their skills and judgment, we're good... i couldnt care any less whether the guy beside me, that is also being shot at, sucks d!ck or not... if he shoots back good, ima happy camper...



as for married couples doing missions together... bad idea... very bad idea... people will take extraordinary measures to protect the people they love... no kids either... if you're some base commander, your kid shouldnt even be in the same theater... its hard enough to watch people you work with get killed... losing family will push people over the edge more often than with just co-workers...