Evolution

[Hendrik]

There are three types of evolution in general in WCK lineages.


1, evolve center with the core WCK principle

2, evolve center with external to WCK applications

3, decay with repeating what one inherits.



As example:

A,

If you look at Ip Man's WCK, Ip was evolved out of Chan Wah's type of WCK toward YKS or SLT core type improving while clear out some of Chan Wah's Nam Kuen type...

If you look at Bruce Lee, Lee was evolved with external to the system applications.

If you look at most WCners who just practice as it is, they are decaying.



B:

If you look at Koo Lo, and compare that with Chan Wah's WCK, one will see LJ is evolve back to the core SLT type while Chan Wah's evolve towards Nam kuen.





C:
An example in Cho family is ,

take the present day same first section of the Yik Kam SLT set ,


the power generation, structure.....etc evolved into the following and thus due to different power generation and structure the applications will be different. and I believe everyone has a perfect reason on doing what they are doing.


Canton, China evolve toward Nam Kuen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7exQZ1UeL9w


Penang, Malaysia evolve toward Shao Lin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCTuRE4zC0&feature=related


Kedah, Malaysia evolve toward Hung Gar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26CFsSIIvok


California, USA evolve toward White Crane and Emei
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKWVOc2HOig




So, No one could avoid evolution. Only the direction of the evolution could be chosen.

[KC Elbows]

This is why I don't bother myself with arguments of authentic versus fake. Evolution is guided by environment and fitness within that environment, so let all lines evolve how they wish, and let the environment show the merits/reward useful traits.

[Vajramusti]

Hendrik sez:



If you look at Ip Man's WCK, Ip was evolved out of Chan Wah's type of WCK toward YKS
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Look?That is your view and possibly the view of some of your friends... my eyes tell me different.

joy chaudhuri

[anerlich]

Evolution is guided by environment and fitness within that environment, so let all lines evolve how they wish, and let the environment show the merits/reward useful traits.


Yup. Evolutionary success is measured by what survives and grows, regardless of opinions of what constitutes progress or decay.

[Hendrik]

Evolution continuous, more in Cho Gar WCK's evolution.



with other WCK lineage such as YKS Ipman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWYIy06aW7c&feature=related



with Nam Kuen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yo2XKOPT2A&feature=related

[Phil Redmond]

Yup. Evolutionary success is measured by what survives and grows, regardless of opinions of what constitutes progress or decay.

Dayum, again I say that you're pretty eloquent for a kung fu guy . . . . :D

[Phil Redmond]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)

[Hendrik]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)



I used to do something similar with this decades ago while I was in college. just trim the tree in front of my college dorm to practice. I am testing it for sensitivity and springness, and foot work. But I always wear protective glasses because those flexible branch of the tree can slap back from different direction and in case my arm doesnt stick firm enough for it to slip through.

[YouKnowWho]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)

This clip has a lot of mantis flavor. I like the "control" intention afterm contact.

[bennyvt]

so who has yik kam guys been fighting to show or even actually evolve. How is exctally is what you are showing better. How would you know. Do you fight and train with other people or do you just look at forms over the net and think you are better.:rolleyes:

[FongSung]

Evolution continuous, more in Cho Gar WCK's evolution.

with other WCK lineage such as YKS Ipman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWYIy06aW7c&feature=related

with Nam Kuen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yo2XKOPT2A&feature=related

Concerning the vdo's above:

The first VDO is of a Sifu in Fatsan who picked up some Wing Chun from the Cho Family, so not Cho Gar Evolution in this case, per se.

The second VDO is indeed of a person from Nga Wu, who I know personally, he did Hard Hung Kuen for about 8 years before learning Cho Family arts. In this vdo he was only a begineer so again not evolution.

This is why watching clips on youtube can be misleading it is better to go to the source if you really want to comment correctly. Your opinion may seem correct for those who don't know or take these clips for more than what they are. I do no mean to say that evolution doesn't occur or is good or bad.

Unfortunately the Cho Family are still reluctant and secretive but we are hoping to change that over the next couple of years with the opening of the "Dak Sing Gwan" in Nga Wu. The Cho Family in China is very diverse and large so one will see different flavours if one went to visit.

[Hendrik]

Another way of looking at it. Sure.



Concerning the vdo's above:

The first VDO is of a Sifu in Fatsan who picked up some Wing Chun from the Cho Family, so not Cho Gar Evolution in this case, per se.

The second VDO is indeed of a person from Nga Wu, who I know personally, he did Hard Hung Kuen for about 8 years before learning Cho Family arts. In this vdo he was only a begineer so again not evolution.

This is why watching clips on youtube can be misleading it is better to go to the source if you really want to comment correctly. Your opinion may seem correct for those who don't know or take these clips for more than what they are. I do no mean to say that evolution doesn't occur or is good or bad.

Unfortunately the Cho Family are still reluctant and secretive but we are hoping to change that over the next couple of years with the opening of the "Dak Sing Gwan" in Nga Wu. The Cho Family in China is very diverse and large so one will see different flavours if one went to visit.

[faxiapreta]

Hendrik,

Do you take drugs? Not like pain pills, but, like dropping acid, X, or smoking hash or doing mushrooms?

[Vajramusti]

Hendrik,

Do you take drugs? Not like pain pills, but, like dropping acid, X, or smoking hash or doing mushrooms?
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No- I don't think so.

joy chaudhuri

[Hendrik]

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1101214&postcount=176

[wtxs]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)

Hi Phil, thanks for the video. I like what I saw, never mind evolution ... that's innovation, adding some "live" action response to the wooden dummy.

Can you possibly steer me/us to any more link(s) of his video using the rattan arms?

[chusauli]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)

This is actually trained in many lineages in Mainland China, there is a variation of this called the Jook Jong (Bamboo Stakes).

This is training for "Sao Dai San" (Hands lead the body) and footwork.

[LoneTiger108]

Dummy innovation?

Cheung Kiu Jong (Long Bridge Dummy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMJY8K11VU

Evolution is inevitable. ;)

A great insightful clip Phil, and something I too am very familiar with ;)

Personally I feel that we do not need to look too far away from Wing Chun to find evolutions and innovations that have already taken place, with every new students differences and needs being addressed and refined.

With a strong foundation our motion is limitless.