is revenge ok?

[Lucas]

For some revenge is not an option, for others it is. I'm not talking about murder, but just roughing someone up some. At what point is it 'ethical' to seek vengeance, or is this never ok from an ethical standpoint? Sometimes things happen and you might be consumed by thoughts like this. Is honor worth it? Is honor dead to everyone, and rendered a thing of past times? How far can we be pushed and disrespected before we decide to push back? At what point do you decide to stop being **** on and start doing some ****ting of your own? Is it ok to use your kungfu as a tool to take revenge? Remove lawful consequence from the equation.

My mind teetering on this.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Violence begets violence, that is a fact that has been proven through out history.

[JamesC]

Depends.

Violence against me I don't care so much about. Violence against my wife or daughters is another story.

You ever seen the last scene of the movie Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood? That about sums it up for me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Depends.

Violence against me I don't care so much about. Violence against my wife or daughters is another story.

You ever seen the last scene of the movie Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood? That about sums it up for me.

Taken with Liam Neeson :D

[BJJ-Blue]

I'll also say it depends on what was done.

Can you shed some light or do you prefer not to?

[goju]

I believe strongly in revenge not gonna justify it to anyone i just do :D

[Lucas]

I'd rather not. But, silly as it sounds, this forum is a great sounding board with some solid headed people and many viewpoints. I'm just kind of looking for standard thoughts...has anyone ever considered taking revenge?

[JamesC]

I know that I shouldn't believe in revenge. My faith preaches against it adamantly. I wish I was spiritually in a place that would keep me from considering it, but i'm not.

I've always been told that when things like this come up and you have moments of weakness that you go to your faith for guidance. You read your bible(or otherwise). You go to your church, temple, whatever.

Personally, I have always found that these situations leave me very conflicted and my faith is the only thing that has helped me figure it out.

However, i've never had to deal with a situation in which my family was the concern/victim. Also, i'm in law enforcement so that plays a very large role because then I have to start thinking about providing for my family if I lose my job, etc.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'd rather not. But, silly as it sounds, this forum is a great sounding board with some solid headed people and many viewpoints. I'm just kind of looking for standard thoughts...has anyone ever considered taking revenge?

Without going into too much detail:
The option for revenge on a certain person was very enticing to me.
That person had sexually assaulted two women that I knew.
Something told me that "it wasn't about me, it was about them" and I took a step back and supported them in their drive to put the SOB behind bars.
That empowered them and when he went to jail and became a registered sex offender they saw, first hand, the weak pathetic virmin he was.
One of them was strong enough to forgive him and got closure, while the youngest just "ignored it" and has been damaged ever since...
Still, that example that I saw from the oldest, her immense inner strength, her drive to put the man behind bars and then the amazing grace and strength to forgive him and in the process HEAL herself...dude...even know I get emotional just writing about it.
It was simply life changing.

[Lucas]

i wish i had a faith to turn to. i dont though, and im one of those people that cannot be converted. i was raised without faith and my whole life 1000 people all say their faith is the one, and they all say it with 100% conviction. the ony thing we all share in common is that none of us know, that is why its called faith. maybe i'll find out when i die...

In light of that ive always looked to guidance from living and dead who have experienced life...but on this subject there is quite a division...

i will say this does not involve family or friends, it is strictly between one other and myself.

Ghandi says:
“An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.”

Temujin says:
“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”

[Lucas]

Without going into too much detail:
The option for revenge on a certain person was very enticing to me.
That person had sexually assaulted two women that I knew.
Something told me that "it wasn't about me, it was about them" and I took a step back and supported them in their drive to put the SOB behind bars.
That empowered them and when he went to jail and became a registered sex offender they saw, first hand, the weak pathetic virmin he was.
One of them was strong enough to forgive him and got closure, while the youngest just "ignored it" and has been damaged ever since...
Still, that example that I saw from the oldest, her immense inner strength, her drive to put the man behind bars and then the amazing grace and strength to forgive him and in the process HEAL herself...dude...even know I get emotional just writing about it.
It was simply life changing.

thats powerful...thanks for sharing.

[Brule]

Revenge is the easiest road out but not the smartest. Take some time to think about and reflect on it. The hardest thing to do is to step back and process the situation and possible ramifications for such violent actions on your part. In the end, you won't feel good about yourself if you give into those actions.

Ask me if something serious happens to my family, i will probably have a hard time following my own advice.

Also, it's ok to take revenge if someone has disrespected your sifu or female classmate. Preferably by embarrassing the entire school in front of their Sifu by whooping their ass with one hand behind your back. Then making the Sifu cry like a little biatch, see example below: :D

http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews/ab3219/fist_of_legend.jpg

[sanjuro_ronin]

thats powerful...thanks for sharing.

Hey, you asked !
:D

Yes, that event was one of the stepping stones that helped my change my life to the better.
I found my lord not too long after that but I think that I probably would never have found Him if not for that.

That doesn't mean that I will stop posting sexy pics though !!
:p

[JamesC]

Hey, you asked !
:D

Yes, that event was one of the stepping stones that helped my change my life to the better.
I found my lord not too long after that but I think that I probably would never have found Him if not for that.

That doesn't mean that I will stop posting sexy pics though !!
:p

Good man.

Perhaps porn is the answer here. Porn is always the answer.

[David Jamieson]

Revenge is a repetition of the injustice that got you to it.

It is strange how it works I know, but to me, this is a simple truth.

there is nothing honorable about committing an act that you yourself would not like to have done to you.

Yes, the first offender was wrong. Should everyone become wrong now?

If someone steals from you? So what, it's a material thing, make provisions so that you are more difficult to steal from.

If someone physically assaults you and leave you no recourse, learn from that and make yourself stronger that you may more easily meet an assault or endure one.

Revenge is petty and small minded at the root. It is no different than the original offending act and just piles more bad karma onto it.

You don't require faith to be a good person or to do the right and moral thing according to the standards of the society you live in. common sense and rule of law are quite often enough guideline to determine what is correct.

So...old saying time: "Before you set out on a journey of revenge, dig 2 graves".

You partly kill yourself when you act with vileness against another. Regardless of the reason to do so. If you can't be the better man, the bigger man, then you won't be the better man or the bigger man, you'll be no better than the person you seek revenge on. :)

[hskwarrior]

REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD! :cool:

[Lucas]

lol humor definately helps. part of me feels very small for contemplating this, yet part of me feels completely justified...maybe i just need to give it some time and stay away to see if the feeling passes...i either am very quick to forgive, or hold the point for a long long time...i know 2 extremes but thats how i've always been.

at least i know i can count on sagely advice from you fine upstanding bastids!

maybe i am just having an inflated sense of self worth or something...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Good man.

Perhaps porn is the answer here. Porn is always the answer.

Sage advice !

[Lucas]

Revenge is a repetition of the injustice that got you to it.

It is strange how it works I know, but to me, this is a simple truth.

there is nothing honorable about committing an act that you yourself would not like to have done to you.

Yes, the first offender was wrong. Should everyone become wrong now?

If someone steals from you? So what, it's a material thing, make provisions so that you are more difficult to steal from.

If someone physically assaults you and leave you no recourse, learn from that and make yourself stronger that you may more easily meet an assault or endure one.

Revenge is petty and small minded at the root. It is no different than the original offending act and just piles more bad karma onto it.

You don't require faith to be a good person or to do the right and moral thing according to the standards of the society you live in. common sense and rule of law are quite often enough guideline to determine what is correct.

So...old saying time: "Before you set out on a journey of revenge, dig 2 graves".

You partly kill yourself when you act with vileness against another. Regardless of the reason to do so. If you can't be the better man, the bigger man, then you won't be the better man or the bigger man, you'll be no better than the person you seek revenge on. :)

so what if you know simply being in the right place at the right time will instigate a negative action against you that will allow you to react and in so doing also serve as a state of revenge? can premeditated self defense be an ok type of revenge? lol

[sanjuro_ronin]

lol humor definately helps. part of me feels very small for contemplating this, yet part of me feels completely justified...maybe i just need to give it some time and stay away to see if the feeling passes...i either am very quick to forgive, or hold the point for a long long time...i know 2 extremes but thats how i've always been.

at least i know i can count on sagely advice from you fine upstanding bastids!

maybe i am just having an inflated sense of self worth or something...

What? you a martial artist with an inflated sense of self worth???
That's just crazy talk !

[Lucas]

What? you a martial artist with an inflated sense of self worth???
That's just crazy talk !

hahahah hey...i dont do wing chun :mad:




jk of course :D

sometimes i feel bad that wc is the redheaded step child...

[sanjuro_ronin]

hahahah hey...i dont do wing chun :mad:




jk of course :D

sometimes i feel bad that wc is the redheaded step child...

Speaking of which:
http://www.frombearcreek.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sexy-redheads-8.jpg

[Lucas]

DAYUM!! id revenge all over that!!!

[David Jamieson]

All is mind and action is guided by intention.
So, one can rationalize and justify in their minds all day long, but if you go straight to the heart of the matter, which is your intention and examine your intention, then the answer will readily present itself to you and quite clearly. :)

Also, that's possibly the nicest looking Ginger I've seen in quite a while! :p

[JamesC]

http://www.boomtron.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/christina_hendricks.jpg

[Hardwork108]

Speaking of which:
http://www.frombearcreek.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sexy-redheads-8.jpg

Red heads scare me.:eek:

[wenshu]

Are you seeking to repay a debt for wrongs committed or merely to vent the rage caused by the misery of yourself or a loved one through the suffering of another?

Perhaps entertaining the fantasy of some minor glory and recognition as an avenging savior?

Do you really need us to help you justify it to yourself?

Right or wrong? There are only two opinions that will affect you; The Law and your conscience (either for enduring it without retribution or for the cruelty committed).

You can't forget your way out of jail. The sting of conscience fades.

No matter which way you slice it revenge is premeditated and you have training.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Red heads scare me.:eek:

Their crotch really isn't on fire, just so you know.
:D

[David Jamieson]

Their crotch really isn't on fire, just so you know.
:D

pfft what do you know, I've been burned before! :p

[hskwarrior]

Their crotch really isn't on fire, just so you know.


ROTFLMFAO........YOU DUMB ARSE!!!!! I've never been with a redhead but i'd always wanted to wear a firemans hatt while tappin dat arse!!!!!!!!

YOU RUINED IT FOR ME!!!!!!!

[David Jamieson]

The average Jihadist suicide bomber plans on digging about 50 graves.

Rimshot!


I suppose if you get a chance to talk to your revengers, Jamieson, you'll bore 'em to death and they'll give it up.


In the chinese flicks it's standard to dig two graves - everybody dies - so your thesis is actually premise.

people who give themselves rimshots are lame.
that is all.

:rolleyes:

[KC Elbows]

Revenge is a pretext for violence. Needing the pretext is weakness. Revenge does not change the state of mind that calls for it, nor does accepting the pretext that makes it seem like a normal option.

The problem with revenge is that it is based on an emotional need, and thus will always go too far, harming the one seeking relief through an act of revenge. Someone who can seek revenge but not succumb to the emotion in enacting it is an ideal, and a fantasy. Revenge is the same wish fulfilment(force to releive one's own inner demons) that the act it is revenging uses. You may be justified to the one deserving revenge, but not to society, to society, you two would be brothers, hardly different at all.

The course of events gives *******s a lonely, miserable life, and people with consciences and self control warm human relationships. The idea that we can improve the process to a more ideal state than that is without merit. Humans require human companionship; laws, revenge, justice, these are merely ideas in the hopes of protecting that, to take one of them and move away from the capacity for said relationships achieves use of the tool, but moves you away from the capacity for shared experience that such relationships require.

Now, if someone exists who is a constant danger to you and your own, and you cannot change that fact, this should be considered self defense, it is, morally, self defense, but legally it is not, unfortunately, and then hard choices exist. But to choose a course of revenge in other circumstances is bringing danger on yourself and revenge on those around you, which is childish.

However, if you do follow through, buy a fedora, a stylish coat, brass knuckles, and do it under the monicker ot The Discombobulator. It is the only way.

[Syn7]

there are a ton of ways to get revenge... everyone has different soft spots... there is worse than murder, thats for sure... but whats the motivation? if its to feel better, it doesnt work... and if it does, you have serious issues you need to work on... but there is a fine line between revenge and justice... i do believe some people do not deserve to live... but theres no simple rule to apply to all situations when it comes to justice... its very subjective and hard to pin down alot of the time... personally, i think our current justice system is weak and rotten to the core... rehab is rare and there are far better ways to punish... this half steppin bullsh1t is the problem... you either take a hard line or you take a more compassionate route... we either care about everyone or we dont... but this sometimes yes sometimes no sh1t is really confusing to anyone trying to make sense of it all... personally, i think we need less laws, a sh1tload of decriminalization, and some real enforcement of the important ones... the basics... we waste alot of time on dumb sh1t that is only the way it is because a small minority found profit in it...

its sort of a hippocritical way to think, but the philosophy and the reality seem to collide... but revenge as a form of spite and hate is pretty useless... and you probably end up affecting yourself in a more negative way than you would ever want...

[YouKnowWho]

Old Chinese saying said, "If someone killed your father, between that person and you, there is only one person who should live under the same sky." Another good reason that one should never mess with Chinese.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Revenge. It is a word that describes payback. We all want payback when we are wronged. It can be held at different levels, like getting the last laugh to brutally murdering someone. The dream of revenge can give you purpose. It can give you the strength to continue on. Then of course once you have achieved revenge, you have to stand vigilent to stay one up. Unless of course you murder the person, in which case you will still have to stay one up ahead of the homicide investigators, which will both give you further purpose to continue on. You can actually build a life around getting revenge.
Revenge is also rather hollow and meaningless unless the individual knows that you got over on him. Be it the last laugh, or looking him in the eye as he draws that last breath. You can sit and have a relaxing drink while remembering the very instant that his pupal blew.
The best revenge, and probably the sweetest, is when you avenge yourself against one of his innocent children or siblings. This not only brings him to feel great hatred for you and curse your name, but it will also put a huge and terrible guilt load upon him because he will feel that it was because of him this happened. And then of course he will want revenge against you, giving you a great feeling of exiliration just knowing that he could be behind every tree. It is a glorious thing, Revenge.