Anyone know Dog Style?

[wolf3001]

Does anyone here have experience in Dog Style? Im looking for application type videos something thats not all Wushu demo stuff. It's fairly rare but im wanting to see more realistic applications.

[Golden Arms]

Does anyone here have experience in Dog Style? Im looking for application type videos something thats not all Wushu demo stuff. It's fairly rare but im wanting to see more realistic applications.

I have a Sihing that practiced it quite a bit, he was extremely hard to deal with. Lots of hooking the ankles and knees and movements that transition from ground to low standing.

[bawang]

dog boxing is an insult, it means dirty boxing or dishonorable fighting

you are not actually mimicking a dog

[Golden Arms]

Under that definition, the majority of Asian and Filipino arts are "dog boxing" LOL.

[JamesC]

dog boxing is an insult, it means dirty boxing or dishonorable fighting

you are not actually mimicking a dog

The only people that should be worrying about "honor" in a fight are police officers(only within reason) and sport fighters.

[bawang]

i dont know if you know this, but competition in kung fu actually had strict rules of honor.

death match kumite is a myth

[JamesC]

I couldn't say, to be honest.

Personally, if I HAVE to fight, i'm gonna do my best do make sure that the other person doesn't fight be back afterward. If that means "dirtyboxing", i'm fine with that.

[bawang]

traditionally if you try to fight dirty at a competition the crowd would riot and tear you to pieces.

chinese ring had nothing separating the spectators from you.

[JamesC]

That would be great if it still held true.

These days, if you're kicking someone's ass, their friend is likely to step in and cheap shot you instead of letting his friend take an ass kicking.

[bawang]

there are dirty skills but they require bitter training just like any other "gong". there are no shortcuts

a small weak man is not going to "capture the spirit of the beast" and bite and gouge a big strong man and win. thats magical thinking.

[wolf3001]

It is my understanding that many women used Dog Boxing due to foot binding during the time. It's used for ground techniques sweeping, low kicks and leg locks mimicking some movements of a dog.

[Lee Chiang Po]

In any compitition, there will usually be rules. One's honor would be at stake if he did not follow those rules of a fair fight. But, in a bar fight or ally fight you can not know what is in the mind of your antagonist, so you have to apply what skills you have to defend your self. In all forms or fighting there will be the dirty tricks or such, but they serve a purpose. Most people don't simply walk up and accost someone that is their own size or larger. They usually size up their mark and try to assure themselves that they can whip him before making a move. Unless he doesn't control the situation and is accosted himself. In order for any gung fu technique to work for you, you have to apply it as if you mean it. You can not just play at it or do it half way or it just don't always work for you. In the movies we see two fighters use every technique he ever learned in every fight. They fight for 10 minutes, each one doing one technique, stop, the other one does his, stop, and they go back and forth like that. I think this is how everyone is thinking when they talk about actually fighting. In a real fight it seldom lasts more than a few seconds, maybe one or two techniques, and the fight is done. If you know your stuff and take the initiative you can usually end the fight quickly and in your own favor. You can't be a pu$$y about it though. You gots to hurt him.
I had a woman challenge me once. I would not fight with her. She got absolutely out of control thinking I was afraid of her. She made the mistake of ambushing me when there were no witnesses. She got a good nights sleep. And part of the next day too. The night before I had tossed her boyfriend out on his head, so she should have known not to mess around. You can't give anyone a break. You take full advantage when you can.

[Northwind]

dog boxing is an insult, it means dirty boxing or dishonorable fighting

you are not actually mimicking a dog

Um no. There is a southern style 狗拳 or 地术拳...

[Razaunida]

It is my understanding that many women used Dog Boxing due to foot binding during the time. It's used for ground techniques sweeping, low kicks and leg locks mimicking some movements of a dog.

This never happened. This is a hillbilly legend from Midwestern America.

[taai gihk yahn]

It is my understanding that many women used Dog Boxing due to foot binding during the time. It's used for ground techniques sweeping, low kicks and leg locks mimicking some movements of a dog.

yeah, those foot-bound women, the ones who could barely walk, were known for their martial prowess :rolleyes:

tell me, at your school, do they say "step" a lot?

[Razaunida]

China is a huge place, I'm sure dog boxing existed...but if you say that out loud in China everyone will laugh at you.

[wolf3001]

Looking up Dishu Quan brings up Dog style and foot binding so is this all bull or what?

[RenDaHai]

The style is called Dishu Quan 地术拳 and is often referred to as dog boxing.

Its a legitimate style and its famous techniques appear in many other styles.

It a style designed for the weak to beat the strong. It like wing chun is thought of as a womans style.

http://www.56.com/u18/v_NjA2Njk3NTk.html Here is a documentary, in chinese


http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ0MjAzNjcy.html Exceptionally poor quality but shows some of the techniques.

http://www.56.com/u60/v_MzE4NTQ1NTM.html Video of some guy... Skip ahead to 5.00min mark and shows a couple of techniques.

[bawang]

"dog boxing" was mentioned in a government documentary to make it seem more interesting

[lkfmdc]

There is significant doubt that wing chun was actually started by a woman. There is a significant amount of evidence a man from northern China brought it south

Similarly, not all women in China had their feet bound. In fact, most did NOT, and those that did would have no need to fight, much less fall on the ground

[RenDaHai]

The woman thing is probably just a story to emphasize the style can be used by weaker people to subdue stronger opponents.

[JamesC]

The woman thing is probably just a story to emphasize the style can be used by weaker people to subdue stronger opponents.

Isn't that kinda the point of all martial arts...?

[bawang]

martial arts does not celebrate or revel in weakness

[wolf3001]

Things I read talked about many women who learned the style had their feet bound thats why they used this style because much of the techniques are used from the ground. I never said it was created by them or by a woman but according to the lineage im looking at it came from a nunnery. It makes sense to me that if any of these women had become Nuns that they may have created a different system to be used because of the binding practice. I read something long ago about a man who is the last of a number of people who made shoes for these women. There are still some who practice this. Looking at pictures it's horrible looking. This may not be accurate but I read there may have been at least two billion of these women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3hqKDHzYWc&feature=related

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/fashion_death/footbinding2.jpg

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/fashion_death/footbinding2.jpg

[bawang]

you sound like some sort of wing chun queer

[Lee Chiang Po]

I am very proficient in dog style. Most of my past girlfriends have really loved it. I never knew that it was even a gung fu style.

[Lokhopkuen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw

[Razaunida]

Now I feel bad for eating dog hot pot last Spring Festival..


No.....no I don't. that bich was delicious.

[LSWCTN1]

Wasnt there an Immortal/Iron leg Chen who propogated this style around Guangzhou?

Only previously heard of him from Tom Wong, but seems like he also came second in a police instructors tournament sometime in the 30's too.

[GeneChing]

If memory serves, we've run two articles on Dog Style; ironically both were in Shaolin specials

The Shaolin Dog Master By Chen Pengcheng 2009 January/February Shaolin Special (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=797)

Xiang Xing Quan: Inspiration from the Animal Kingdom By Stephen Chew and Shi Xu DeZheng 2007 November/December Shaolin Special (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=729)

[mjw]

I thought only Snoop Doggy Dogg knew doggy style???

Sorry never heard of it until now since not one of the 7 or 8 animals.....

[zoomvision]

狗拳 Dog fist , it's a very unique style ,a style that not many people know now a days which make it also very special.

[Daxing88]

Wasnt there an Immortal/Iron leg Chen who propogated this style around Guangzhou?

Only previously heard of him from Tom Wong, but seems like he also came second in a police instructors tournament sometime in the 30's too.

Chen Yijiu was from Fuzhou. He is my Shihu. He is famous for breaking the leg of a Russian boxer in Singapore who went around challenging the Chinese boxers.

Who is Tom Wong?

Thanks.

[GETHIN]

When I lived in Fuzhou city Dog fist was the most popular style practised there.

[bawang]

dog style is an insult term for ground boxing. dishuquan. its become more popular for performance in modern wushu.

[GETHIN]

Hope this helps ?

[Tao Of The Fist]

I once photocopied an entire book on Fuzhou Dishuquan (woulda cost me 144.00 through amazon, and i paid maybe 15 bucks in ink). Actually, if you look at the wikipedia page for it, the book should be in the footnotes part. Nan Shaolin Leg Techniques it think its called. Its the same style that GETTHIN and Daxing88 are talking about.

It's pretty much a southern version of ditangquan (more like Liao Wuchang's monkey style with more legwork) . A lot more half and full bat stances in later sets, but otherwise it looks like fujian kung fu. It has a version of Sanzhan, that set that karate borrowed.

SifuWu, aka Wu Chanlong posts on here sometimes. He's probably the person you wanna look to ask about the style.

[GETHIN]

It helps a lot - thanks. I will be back in Fuzhou later this year, so I will be looking out for that version of Sanzhan- I know a few already but that will be a new one to me. Regards Gethin .

[TenTigers]

I know a practitioner of it. His name is Hung-Jai. His rooting skills are very good and he is quite explosive in his movements. His grip is also very strong. He can catch your hand or foot when you strike or kick, and apply his grip, and grapple with you. Many of his grappling moves contain rolling techniques. He is good on his back in open guard position, but he is also very quick to mount you.

[Phil Redmond]

If you get a hold of a copy of the documentary "Kung Fu Diplomacy" you'll see a demo of Gau Kuen.

[mickey]

Greetings,

There is also the book on dog boxing by Chen Zhi Fan:

http://www.plumpub.com/sales/chinese/chinbks_trad5.htm

This is not the first edition and the photos are a little dark, as if they lost the master and just photo copied the book.

U.S. teachers of Northern style ground fighting include:

- Grandmaster Alan Lee

Master Barry Gray (Former top student of Alan Lee. Teaches in Newark, New Jersey)

- Sifu George Hu Ling (Sifu to Tayari Casel)

- Sifu Dennis Ho (relocated back to Taiwan-- has students in U.S. teaching)


mickey

[TenTigers]

Hung-Jai (Bear) is my Flatcoat Retriever.......:p