Some American Kenpo from Speakman

[JamesC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGxZW7Cbhg

Thoughts?

And before anyone starts shouting about fighting etc., Speakman's organization does full contact sparring with gloves.

Speakman has also put jiu-jitsu in the system. He trains with a BJJ black belt regularly. Not sure if the guy he trains with is Machado or Gracie, though.

[JamesC]

Looks like his BJJ training partner is Todd Nathanson. I believe he's a 3rd in Machado's.

[faxiapreta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGxZW7Cbhg

Thoughts?

And before anyone starts shouting about fighting etc., Speakman's organization does full contact sparring with gloves.

You'd need to see if they are pulling that off in their full contact fighting.

Doesn't really look like they are using it when they spar with contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsYbQIOrHb0

[Yum Cha]

I have a friend that does Parker Kenpo. Looks like the stuff. They work with these combinations like that, 200 odd I think. The Parker ones are the 'special' stuff needed to make the system. It came from Okinawian influence in Hawaii, so it has a bit more of the chinese flavour than regular Karate. In my humble opinion.
People add all kinds of additional training depending on their own thinking.

[JamesC]

You'd need to see if they are pulling that off in their full contact fighting.

Doesn't really look like they are using it when they spar with contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsYbQIOrHb0

I agree with you.

I believe that everything should be built off of basic kickboxing skills anyways. Jab, cross, hook, uppercut, round kick, maybe a teep or front kick and you've got pretty much all you'll ever need for a self defense situation.

I think their technique system is more for best case scenario and traditional preservation. I think it is great that they fight full contact, though. Not to mention the fact that they realized they needed grappling in order to be more complete.

[Yum Cha]

You'd need to see if they are pulling that off in their full contact fighting.

Doesn't really look like they are using it when they spar with contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsYbQIOrHb0

Little tid bit of history, Ed Parker was the first man to introduce full contact in an American Tournament. Bruce lee and another bloke padded up and had a go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezdcvQdvyj4 about 4:15 in.

They always had a good attitude. Came from practical backgrounds.

[goju]

Honestly it looks bad shaolin do bad almost

[mig]

[QUOTE=JamesC;1106678]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGxZW7Cbhg

Thoughts?

And before anyone starts shouting about fighting etc., Speakman's organization does full contact sparring with gloves.

It may have been raised the question here about the demos. The poor guy made the wrong decision to be a punching bag and looked like a death beaten dog. It amazes me that this as many more demos since the 70's, the master will block and then show off with a kick, blow or elbow technique hurting the dummy human. What? in real life or situation, do you think the guy won't react one way or the other? Pretty unrealistic to my taste.

[David Jamieson]

Watch Jeff repeatedly kick a dummy!

[sanjuro_ronin]

I have never, EVER, seen any kenpo guys ( or anyone from the "multiple overkill schools" as I call them) doing any of that in the FC environment.
NONE.
Why?
Simple:
It doesn't work that way when you ACTUALLY make contact AND have to hit hard enough to hurt.

[Jimbo]

My first 'formal' art back in the '70s was Kenpo (up to black belt), and though I liked my teacher and the way he sparred/taught sparring, I never did like the requisite 'self-defense technique' combos. The 'dummy' would attack once and stand frozen while you'd move around him doing multiple whippy strikes. My teacher did incorporate some aspects of CMA into his sparring, which also included kickboxing/boxing and some wrestling takedowns. In other words, it was kickboxing with other things added in, and he was very effective with it in hard sparring w/the gloves on. The sparring often approached full-contact levels. He emphasized cross-training and lots of pad work, too. To this day, I have high respect for him.

But I don't recall the sparring ever looking like the Kenpo self-defense combos, much less sparring like that myself. IMO, those combos simply weren't natural, not to mention the attacking/freezing of the dummy wasn't realistic. Plus there were far too many of them, and a hundred ways to overkill after a right-hand punch attack. The complex, showy stuff is not what comes out under stress. To me, it always seemed like the self-defense technique combos and the rest of the training were two separate, totally unrelated aspects.

[David Jamieson]

Four strikes in a combo is a LOT! A LOT!

Some guys seem to think that 12 strikes is a combo. lol

It never ever works like that. I don't know why some do that.

Looks cool in solo, never works for real.

combos I find in my kung fu don't seem to exceed 3 strikes in a row, most are doubles.

[goju]

Whats funny is even if they dont show the person defending the strikes they dont even show him reacting to them!

When the hell are you going to punch someone in the balls like that and they are just going to stand there lol theres not even any follow up foot work to stay on them

[pazman]

No comment on the techniques.

Dude seems like an ******* beating on his students. You can see him act the same way in his other videos.:(

[pazman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvcgLybxXU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


I must apologize. After watching this video, Jeff Speakman is a cool guy. He is completely entitled to beat up his students.:)

[David Jamieson]

He's a former b-list actor with an apparently huge ego.
Go figure. :p

[Kevin73]

Four strikes in a combo is a LOT! A LOT!

Some guys seem to think that 12 strikes is a combo. lol

It never ever works like that. I don't know why some do that.

Looks cool in solo, never works for real.

combos I find in my kung fu don't seem to exceed 3 strikes in a row, most are doubles.

If you think you are SUPPOSED to pull off a full technique than you are really misunderstanding the purpose of kenpo. In a street situation, you are probably going to use only the first 1-2 moves after the initial defensive move. The rest is used to illustrate concepts and ideas and give student's a "what could I do" for positional recognition.

Unfortunately, the art was spread on a mass scale and most missed the boat on what they were training for.

As to your "12 strikes is a combo", I have seen Muay Thai guys string together 20 some odd hits together in a "combo" why? Same reason. It is a FLOW DRILL used to teach how to flow from one position to another, just like kenpo and many other arts.

[YiQuanOne]

I did that stuff for 10 years when I started out, it is good exercise, but it does not work in real life.

The problem with these systems is there is no training to develop your sences and be able to correct them.

You need a feedback loop system of training like wing chun chi-sao or tai chi push hands to begin and continue to develop yourself.

There is no limit to improving ones self on sensitivity level, but external have physical limit.