View Full Version : Iron Palm/Makiwara Training

01-15-2001, 02:42 AM
I was wondering what liniment is and what it does. I've been doing both Iron Palm and Makiwara for some time and if liniment is important to it, maybe I should use it?

"Karate is like boiling water; if you do not keep the flame high, it turns tepid." - Gichin Funakoshi

Kung Lek
01-15-2001, 05:09 AM

Iron Palm training and the use of the makiwara are in many ways very different.

The makiwara works more towards conditioning the knuckles and resembles "Fist Kung" moreso than Iron Palm in it's methodology.

The Liniment used in Iron Palm is Dit Da Jow or "Iron Hit Wine".
Iron Palm conditions the entirety of the hand and the Iron Hit Wine is used to help the hand maintain it's suppleness while relieving blood stasis and scarring from the hematomas (bruises) associated with repetitive striking.

With Iron palm, pain is lessened when striking hard but the hand is not desensitized.

Makiwara when done with less force will not achieve the desired results which is essentially a flat knuckle striking surface.

I have not heard of makiwara training or much Karate training at all that uses medicine as part of the regimen.
There are examples of some healing arts associated with martial training in Okinawan arts but generally the two are seperate.


Kung Lek

01-15-2001, 05:51 AM
why dont you throw your black belt over your shoulder and walk off into the sunset to a KARATE site to ask your KARATE Questions. but since i've wasted this much of my time, yes you should use dit da jow.

01-15-2001, 06:31 AM
Calm down. This site has all sorts of martial artists visiting it and there's nothing inherently wrong if another artist from a different style wants to ask a question.

Of course, if you're interested in censorship of thoughts and ideas....well, that's your problem.

K. Mark Hoover

01-15-2001, 11:45 PM
I am not a black belt and my teacher, unlike others, doesn't dish them out like doritos. It takes at least 12 years for a good student at my school to become a blackbelt.

Not to mention I am planning on starting one or more CMAs and thought this would be a good place to come for whatever questions I may have.

"Karate is like boiling water; if you do not keep the flame high, it turns tepid." - Gichin Funakoshi

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