Iron Fist and Iron Body: Ways of development & recomended Instructors?

[Kymus]

I am really interested in doing Iron Fist and Iron Body. Unfortunatly, I know of no instructors around here that teach it. i was wondering if anyone could recomend different way sof learning these on my own and possibly any good books or videos on these systems.
I read a thing by Sifu James McNeil that talked about differnt methods of doing Iron fist and one that I liked alot was to punch water every day untill your shoulders get sore & tired. If I were to do this, I wouldn't need any dit da jow would I?
Also, is there a way to do this training without developing large callousis like Pan Qing-Fu has on his right hand? Would it de-rail things if I used hand lotion alot?

-Kymus

~Crosstraining is the key~
-Sifu Rick Tucci
www.pamausa.com (http://www.pamausa.com)

[cagey_vet]

No offense, but WOW!

From the looks of your posts you are a student under a Sifu (Rick Tucci?) with all these great accolades and promotions under all these styles... who is a student of Marcos Santos (BJJ) nonetheless.
Why would you want these conditioning methods you ask for?
Just ask your teacher to teach you groundfighting.
Supposedly thats the ultimate art anyways.
To ask for something your teacher doesnt teach
is sort of a slap in his face, especially without his permission. I say stick with one style or several CLOSELY related styles, get MASTERY of that and dont worry about the other stuff.
Palm and Body methods are just shortcuts.

[IronFist]

Dude, no offence but I'd be ****ed if I asked and got that answer.

"Why would you want these conditioning methods you ask for?"

Maybe he just wants them?

"Just ask your teacher to teach you groundfighting. Supposedly thats the ultimate art anyways."

Well, since you know what the superior martial art is, I guess you have a shorter journey than the rest of us.

"To ask for something your teacher doesnt teach
is sort of a slap in his face, especially without his permission."

How do you know if your teacher teaches it without asking him? If I wanted something a teacher didn't teach I'd change schools.

"Palm and Body methods are just shortcuts."

Is punching and kicking just a shortcut, too?

Iron

[Kymus]

Currently, I am not under Sifu Rick Tucci's instruction. I stopped going a few years ago due to financial problems. A good friend of mine whom I met there when I first started still goes there and keeps me up to date with things in the JKD system and we spar alot with Muay Thai and JKD. Right now, I am looking for something more traditional. I want to learn Iron Fist and Iron Body because it will give me greater confidence in a fight. I won't worry about my punches not being strong enough and I won't have to worry about getting hurt as bad. I've trained in mixed groundfighting and can handle myself fine on the ground for the time being.

-Kymus

~Crosstraining is the key~
-Sifu Rick Tucci
www.pamausa.com (http://www.pamausa.com)

[cagey_vet]

Ok, I like that clarification Kymus.
Sorry I cant help you anymore than to
say "be careful", theres a lot of shams
out there. There is no overnight process.
I wouldnt do it via video tapes or books.
You are going to need hands on instruction.
Thats the only way I would recommend doing
it. Perhaps years ago, had I not a teacher
myself, I would do anything to obtain these
things at any risk. Now, after understanding
the risk and weighing them against not learning
these practices... I chose to wait until
finding a teacher and having him clue me in.
I would honestly say that you should do the
same as well.

As for Mr. Iron... if you dont think that
Palm/Fist/Body techniques are shortcuts
then your knowledge of the stuff is sorely
lacking.
With proper meditation and intention, you can
achieve the same results but over a MUCH longer
period of time. Thus, the trainings are shortcuts, and with any shortcut there is danger.
Adhere religiously to the principles and rules, and danger is avoided.
Its not that I am a total traditionalist in my study. But dont mistake the respect I have for
traditional methods of knowledge transfer for
being stubborn.
It truly is a slap in the face of your teacher
if you go elsewhere to learn something that could
be learned within. And if you cant learn it within because it doesnt exist within... then your style isnt complete and you -should- look elsewhere for a NEW style.

[IronFist]

"And if you cant learn it within because it doesnt exist within... then your style isnt complete and you -should- look elsewhere for a NEW style."

I know, that's exactly what I said :)

Iron