Good news for Kung Fu…. Maybe

[Ray Pina]

Yesterday the importance of controlling an opponent, perhaps even taking him to the ground, particularly if they were armed, was widely proposed and vastly accepted.

This is good news for Kung Fu. If I was full heartedly studying Kung Fu, feeling the ancient Chinese vibes, and saw those videos.... seen other videos of how people are really training takedowns, live drilling etc., I would go find myself a good Chin Na teacher. Really learn about grips and standing locks. There's a very good chance a Chin Na master has a ground game too, or could easily assimilate his skills to the ground and with a gi.... so then I could go test them.

But first I'd want to go find a Dog Boxing master. Learn how to change levels. Learn takedowns and how to attack the legs..... OK. Now I combine that with some Wing Chun training, Chia Sau and sparring. OK. Now we're getting somewhere. Now we're understanding the ins and outs.

What we got to be careful of though is being misguided by the guys that love to wear the uniform but will do anything to avoid a punch towards the nose. They're going to tell us that "sport" is different than "the street." Watch out..... they probably have no experience in either.

Listen to this guy Ray Pina. He's fought in all the different forums AND he's got over 10 years of Kung Fu training (with fighting. with video). He says it's not that the rules don't allow for the deadly stuff, it's that the other guys are tough, courageous, skilled and will kick you literally in a way you've never been kicked before.... not like in the gym with training buddies.

OK.

But what if we can't find a Chin Na expert nearby? They don't grow on trees. And Dog Boxing? Who wants to learn that? Though there's probably a cool Bull Dog emblem involved. Maybe we can encourage the old man to broaden his horizons... a cool Bull God T-Shirt with maybe some cage/fence trim... now we're looking cool and tough at Starbucks. I could wear it to the next UFC party. With some jeans. The girls will notice.

But now we have a real dilemma. Now we know we need this type of broad understanding, and we certainly want to keep the incense and Chinese calligraphy around.... OK. We'll keep the Wing Chun but insist we spar at least 15 mins a week. If it turns out China Na is not that hard to find, that most Chinese styles incorporate it, maybe we'll just moon light at a wrestling or BJJ gym. We just won't tell anyone and call it Dog Boxing and make the T-shirts anyway.

And in the meantime, while we get it together, we'll write a letter to Kung Fu magazine suggesting this Ray Pina guy. He could probably write some interesting pieces an do some fighting and represent. He's even had a Chinese teacher. I've seen him fighting with the Chinese jacket.... maybe we'd take a little less slack.;)

[Snipsky]

shameless self promoter!!!!!!!!! hahahahah :p

[faxiapreta]

Nah, you'll still get guys like this making up b.s. stories in an attempt to validate his opinion that you should never be on the ground with a knife wielding opponent:


There was a local guy who was, reportedly, known as a MMA practitioner who got into an altercation in a bar with another guy. Later, they ended up outside in the parking lot, where they escalated their fight. The "MMA practitioner" reportedly slammed the other guy to the ground and was on top of him when the other guy used his "pocket knife" to stab him well over a dozen times. He died, and now the other guy's doing life. I'm sure during the heat of the fight, the man on top probably thought or felt that the guy was punching him.

In another case, a well-known local wakeboarder/collegiate wrestler took down a guy on the street that he thought was making a pass at his girlfriend. After taking him down, the wrestler was still behind the guy when the guy pulled a one-handed folder and blindly stabbed once over his shoulder; that single stab wound severed the wrestler's aorta and he died on the street. After two trials, the homicide was ruled as self-defense, since the wrestler was much larger and had a reputation for his temper and for starting fights.

You simply never know who you're dealing with nowadays. In these cases, neither of these stabbers was trained in knife combatives, nor a MAist or fighter. And neither were criminals/gang members, either (at least the 1st guy wasn't before doing life).

[sanjuro_ronin]

Nah, you'll still get guys like this making up b.s. stories in an attempt to validate his opinion that you should never be on the ground with a knife wielding opponent:

Where in that post did Jim say that?

[Lucas]

wrong thread?

[Snipsky]

ahhhhh he's just tryin to merge this thread with what was said in another.....

I'm so glad i'm not HIM.

[faxiapreta]

Where in that post did Jim say that?

Read between the lines.

[Lucas]

what does that have to do with ray's post?

[Jimbo]

These stories aren't made up. They were well-publicized in the local news, and the wakeboarder story was also featured in an episode of Forensic Files.

I'm not making up any stories to validate anything pro or anti-MMA. I've known of instances of TMA guys ending up the same way. The difference is, those two stories were well-known locally, and recent (withing the past few years).

I simply said you don't know who you're dealing with...which is a fact. I have no agenda to push. I would've mentioned the incidences if they were TMA guys or anyone else for that matter. Maybe you have the agenda.

[Snipsky]

These stories aren't made up. They were well-publicized in the local news, and the wakeboarder story was also featured in an episode of Forensic Files.

I'm not making up any stories to validate anything pro or anti-MMA. I've known of instances of TMA guys ending up the same way. The difference is, those two stories were well-known locally, and recent (withing the past few years).

I simply said you don't know who you're dealing with...which is a fact. I have no agenda to push. I would've mentioned the incidences if they were TMA guys or anyone else for that matter.

it doesn't matter since this and faxiepretty is saying have nothing to do with this thread. take it back over there.

[faxiapreta]

These stories aren't made up. They were well-publicized in the local news, and the wakeboarder story was also featured in an episode of Forensic Files.

I'm not making up any stories to validate anything pro or anti-MMA. I've known of instances of TMA guys ending up the same way. The difference is, those two stories were well-known locally, and recent (withing the past few years).

I simply said you don't know who you're dealing with...which is a fact. I have no agenda to push. I would've mentioned the incidences if they were TMA guys or anyone else for that matter. Maybe you have the agenda.

Then reference links to them. Should be easy to do since they were so well-publicized.

[Lucas]

omg i just for the kicks of it googled 'mma fighter stabbed' sooooo many hits. so i guess take your pick.

the link!!!! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mma+fighter+stabbed)

[Snipsky]

Then reference links to them. Should be easy to do since they were so well-publicized.

Really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really? really?

you can't take it back to the original thread you started your retarded rant on?

[TenTigers]

nothing was widely proposed and accepted.
This is a very small community. A forum consisting of a handful of people, and certainly not a representative of the Martial Arts world.
It is a little fishbowl.
Outside of this bowl, there are other forums (fishbowls) that may be in agreement, but don't for a minute think that this is a world.
Jeng dai ji wah.
The frog at the bottom of the well. He looks up and sees a small circle of sky, and from that he judges the entire universe.

[Lucas]

nothing was widely proposed and accepted.
This is a very small community. A forum consisting of a handful of people, and certainly not a representative of the Martial Arts world.
It is a little fishbowl.
Outside of this bowl, there are other forums (fishbowls) that may be in agreement, but don't for a minute think that this is a world.
Jeng dai ji wah.
The frog at the bottom of the well. He looks up and sees a small circle of sky, and from that he judges the entire universe.


great minds...;)

was just thinking a few moments ago; how could anyone honestly believe they would be able to get an accurate depiction of the world of martial arts on an internet forum is beyond me.

it reeks of stupidity

[Snipsky]

omg i just for the kicks of it googled 'mma fighter stabbed' sooooo many hits

Best believe, if someone is NOT a MMA fighter and is afraid of one AND carries a knife for protection.......MY MONEY IS GOING ON THE SCARED ONE WITH THE WEAPON.

WHEN IT COMES TO WEAPONRY VS MMA.....YOU BETTER Miss My Ass

[Jimbo]

fp, Why don't you look them up? San Diego-area wakeboarder, stabbing, trial. The other one was more recent. I already shared the incident, as other have shared theirs.

As mentioned above, this isn't the right thread.

[Lucas]

Best believe, if someone is NOT a MMA fighter and is afraid of one AND carries a knife for protection.......MY MONEY IS GOING ON THE SCARED ONE WITH THE WEAPON.

WHEN IT COMES TO WEAPONRY VS MMA.....YOU BETTER Miss My Ass

definately. technology is and always has been the great equalizer.

'god created man, samuel colt made them equals'

:eek:

[Snipsky]

'god created man, samuel colt made them equals'

colt .45 is a BEER MAN......

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jbH5h1DY-NM/ThA3OXXzugI/AAAAAAAAAGk/TKCc0Jx97nE/s400/billydeesign.jpg

seriously, when someone is faced with the fear of being shot enough, he stops fearing it, prays he doesn't get shot, but dares you to hit a bulls eye cause if you miss he's coming back with a fierceness and may not miss.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Read between the lines.

You seem to do that ALOT and keep shooting blansk, ALOT.
If you read the thread Jim posted it on you will see that jim was focusing in what was being said about being stabbed can feel just like being punched with the adrenaline of a fight going on.
YOU need to stop reading between the lines dude.

[Lucas]

hes just used to shooting blanks :eek:

[Snipsky]

you seem to do that alot and keep shooting blansk, alot.
If you read the thread jim posted it on you will see that jim was focusing in what was being said about being stabbed can feel just like being punched with the adrenaline of a fight going on.
You need to stop reading between the lines dude.

rotfflmfao......tell em


hes just used to shooting blanks

at HIS age he's just shooting dust.....LMAO

[sanjuro_ronin]

rotfflmfao......tell em

We all tend to read what we want rather than what is there, but at the same time we have to step back and be honest when ALL we seem to be doing is that.

Fact is, in the context of that thread, Jim's post had ZERO to do with ground and knife and everything to do with the very real danger of not knowing that you are getting stabbed instead of getting hit.

[Jimbo]

That was exactly the context of my post. Any why he'd bring it up outside of that thread is anyone's guess.

[sanjuro_ronin]

That was exactly the context of my post. Any why he'd bring it up outside of that thread is anyone's guess.

Don't worry too much about it Jim, I am sure that everyone else understood it.

[Snipsky]

right, right.

Have you experienced guys like Faxiepretty in your own circle of friends? its funny, he would be the joke of the crew cause everything he does is so extreme. we'd encourage guys like that cause it would provide a great deal of laughter at watching him flip his wig.

you know who has a great way of proving his points imo? ray pina. he touches on both aspects of a situation then slips in his personal view without really stepping on too many toes. thats how i see it. if we could have discourse with the rest of the people on this forum like that it would become a great place to learn more than what you are at your own school as a supplementation.

[Lucas]

thats cuz ray has no agenda other than bettering himself in martial arts.

[sanjuro_ronin]

right, right.

Have you experienced guys like Faxiepretty in your own circle of friends? its funny, he would be the joke of the crew cause everything he does is so extreme. we'd encourage guys like that cause it would provide a great deal of laughter at watching him flip his wig.

you know who has a great way of proving his points imo? ray pina. he touches on both aspects of a situation then slips in his personal view without really stepping on too many toes. thats how i see it. if we could have discourse with the rest of the people on this forum like that it would become a great place to learn more than what you are at your own school as a supplementation.

Ray is awesome cause he is a surfer and he kicks butt, in short he is Boddhi in Point Break, LOL !!

[Jimbo]

I really enjoy Ray Pina's posts as well. His experiences and views, along with many others on this board, offer some great insights into the MA world.

[TenTigers]

right, right.

Have you experienced guys like Faxiepretty in your own circle of friends? .

No, I try to be more particular whom I associate with.

[Snipsky]

No, I try to be more particular whom I associate with.

Ok who let this nut into the gene pool hahahahaha

HAHA....this is GENE CHING's "GENE POOL" hahahaha