Basic Power Development with a Pole

[SwanseaMike]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

[HumbleWCGuy]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike
I like how you are are explaining the arm mechanics.

To describe what is going on with your legs better, I would use a simple boxing term, "sitting down." It seems to me that you are using internal stuff to describe what's going on with the legs. just simply say, sit down on your punches.

[HumbleWCGuy]

This guy has one of the strongest lead strikes I have ever seen. I am Jealous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVyrNR39m3E

[SwanseaMike]

Thanks for that.
In the way I am trying to describe the dropping of the weight it is important to get the opposing "rise" as a result of dropping the don teen and frame. This rise is what fires the synapses into linking the whole body frame into the expression of the arm.
It is difficult to describe on a video but is actually quite simple to do and can increase the impact of a strike immediately by quite a lot. (Or perhaps I should say can change the way one would source power for striking?)
In our school the sort of two way traction of the body between the ground and the sky is important in the structure and is in essence our "mother line". Without the mother line as I am trying to describe it, it is very difficult to transfer power back and forth between the bridge and the ground.

You are absolutely right about this being some what "internal" in its description, and I am aware that a lot of Wing Chun guys are dismissive of this type of technology.
Some people are exceptional fighters without this detail, but I do sincerely believe they would be better with it.
An observation made from seeing that virtually all southern boxing utilizes a version of this technology. But for some reason it is now very rare in contemporary Wing Chun.

Again I am not pushing and agenda here just sharing a little of what we do.

Thanks Mike

[Kansuke]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

How do you know the guy in the video was Polish?

[HumbleWCGuy]

I don't disagree with your reasoning for using the internal explanation. I don't believe in the internal, but certainly the visualizations have been helpful in getting the correct muscles to fire when performing a specific technique. I teach them at times too because they can be helpful, but I don't believe in chi.

[SwanseaMike]

How do you know the guy in the video was Polish?
I'll bite, how? :)
(Only My grandparents)


I understand why you say you don't believe in Qi. Everything in boxing should be explainable with modern terms.
Even the expression Hei Goang only describes methods of using the intent and breath to create specific synaptic stimulation. Well it does to me :)

Mike

[Kansuke]

I understand why you say you don't believe in Qi.


Really? Did I say that?

[nasmedicine]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

Thank you for sharing. Some things I knew, somethings I didn't. None the less, I enjoyed your explanations.

[nasmedicine]

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Even the expression Hei Goang only describes methods of using the intent and breath to create specific synaptic stimulation. Well it does to me :)

Mike

Agreed. .

[anerlich]

Good explanations.

The puching drill is interesting, though I'd need more persuasion that you won't get better training and feedback in hitting hard than by actually hitting something. Specificity and all.

[LoneTiger108]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

An interesting clip, and one that has exercises that are very familiar to me. I'm not sure about other families approach to the pole/stick methods but these fine tuning exercises are compulsory for empty hand and body development.

Nice to see and very well presented too imho. Thanks for sharing :)

[EternalSpring]

Nice Video! Def was an eye opener to me. My sifu teaches us some forms (empty handed and weapons) that are not in the standard "Ving Tsun Curriculum," while always explaining to us that "I'm not teaching you this so you can go around saying 'I know Ving Tsun, and I know this, and I know that, and so on,' rather I'm teaching you this because it all goes back into your Ving Tsun and your understanding."

With that said, I haven't learned the pole in Ving Tsun yet but I have learned other Guan forms and now that I'm seeing some same and some similar drills in your video it has once again opened my eyes to how how the energy in many forms and styles are also a part of Ving Tsun. Definitely going to be training those a lot more now :p Props!

[WC1277]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

Good videos man, clear and concise as well. A little different but basic concepts the same with the vibrations on the pole coming back into your structure.

The only thing I noticed, however, was that you're lifting your hand before pushing out with your elbow. More in the second video with the full size pole. It may be because the pole is too heavy though...

[Hendrik]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike



Mike,

You have an extremely high quality presentation. your dedication is unquestionable.

Observing your clips above and other Neigong and Heigong clips, my 5 cents is this type of stuffs doesnt really works well. This type of stuffs is what the Chinese call the hard bow.
Wing Chun is not a hard bow art, SLT is using a YJKYM in stead of San Chin stance is an indication and evidence of WCK's "DNA".

the way your handle Dan Dian is called Pressing down Dan Dian, that is an improper way of handling Dan Dian. it causes Qi stagnation and lower abs problem.

also, the way of your power or sitting horse...etc for power generation also doesnt work well because

a, real explosive WCK fajing must not let the force travel in one's body. Travel in one's body means this type of power is slow and one step wrong or missed the force blow into one. not to mention if the opponent making use of it because you nail yourself dead to the ground with those force travel back and forth from the target and ground via your body.

b, this is very dependent on muscle. if you are 70 year old like Ip Man you cant have this type of power.

C, breathing is heavy and often stop breathing. that loaded down internal organs. when one get age this is no good for health reason. those who has health issue cannot train this type of stuffs.


Well, just my 5cents. i have been thinking to post this or not, due to you are certainly a great person who post these clip in a positive manner. As a senior in our Wing Chun community, I believe I have an obligation to tell you to watch out and hope that somedays your Kung fu improve further.

[GlennR]

Well, just my 5cents. i have been thinking to post this or not, due to you are certainly a great person who post these clip in a positive manner. As a senior in our Wing Chun community, I believe I have an obligation to tell you to watch out and hope that somedays your Kung fu improve further.

Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

[anerlich]

i have been thinking to post this or not

You thought wrong!


As a senior in our Wing Chun community, I believe I have an obligation to tell you to watch out and hope that somedays your Kung fu improve further.

LOL, by "senior" I assume you mean afflicted by the onset of dementia.

[GlennR]

lol, by "senior" i assume you mean afflicted by the onset of dementia.

bwahahaha....

[bennyvt]

I was waiting for it. Trust it to be Aussies

[LoneTiger108]

Great! :rolleyes: Another thread ruined and another newbie who may never return...

[GlennR]

Here are a couple of clips describing some simple power development drills with a pole


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_kNfQ9YLIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLNTDN7UcM

Any thoughts?

Kind Regards
Mike

Hi Mike
Just finished watching your clips last night, also some of the others you have up.
Cudos to you. Well filmed, well explained and all very interesting.
I'll have a look at the rest of them over the weekend
GlennR

[anerlich]

Great! Another thread ruined and another newbie who may never return...

Hopefully he'll be relieved to find that we challenge pompous and condescending statements by self-proclaimed experts.

And also that he need not be bound by others' standards of behaviour.

[nasmedicine]

Great! :rolleyes: Another thread ruined and another newbie who may never return...

yup.......

[GlennR]

yup.......

Why?
Because a condascending "senior" gets pulled up.

[bennyvt]

That was pretty intreating with the wobble at the end. Is this a type of propriocepter training is that something taught normally or have you developed it from modern propriocepter training. And is the reason you aren't in the pole stance for stance training or to make it harder on the upper body. But like the exercises as the are prett standard but a good explanation in the first video. The stuff with the stance in the second I didn't really like but each to his own.

[nasmedicine]

Why?
Because a condascending "senior" gets pulled up.

No.... Because there are to many egos in wing chun.

[TenTigers]

Nice clips-as always, Mike. Very detailed and informative. Did you study with Duncan Leung?

[LoneTiger108]

Hopefully he'll be relieved to find that we challenge pompous and condescending statements by self-proclaimed experts.

And also that he need not be bound by others' standards of behaviour.

Personally, I think the majority of independent Wing Chun Sifus out there today are so-called 'self proclaimed experts', and that includes you and me (although I have never claimed to be an 'expert' at all!)

I find the insulting criticisms of Hendrik a waste of everyones time also, so I by no means feel that 'he alone' ruins any thread to be fair.

Mikes clips are produced well and have some interesting ideas presented clearly by someone who is obviously very passionate about what he does. And I for one would want to see more visual comparisons from the hard liners who post here.

As an example, I will work on a clip that presents how I was shown similar drills and explain where they fit into our pole form if someone else is also up for sharing?

Anyone?

[Hendrik]

I find the insulting criticisms of Hendrik a waste of everyones time also, so I by no means feel that 'he alone' ruins any thread to be fair.






insulting criticisms?
I am telling what is going on and seems that you cant take it?
you can choose to do what you like and that is fine with me.

[anerlich]

Personally, I think the majority of independent Wing Chun Sifus out there today are so-called 'self proclaimed experts', and that includes you and me (although I have never claimed to be an 'expert' at all!)

I neither call myself a Sifu nor claim expertise. I treat most such claims on this board, like Hendrik's, with what they deserve, derision.


I find the insulting criticisms of Hendrik a waste of everyones time

I don't care.


insulting criticisms?
I am telling what is going on and seems that you cant take it?

LOL, Looks like someone misunderstood.

[LoneTiger108]

insulting criticisms?
I am telling what is going on and seems that you cant take it?
you can choose to do what you like and that is fine with me.

Yep! Definitely a misunderstanding here :rolleyes:

I'm actually trying to defend you Hendrik and you read this from what I write? Your misinterpretation of my actions speak volumes about how you view my posts actually!

But believe me when I say "not everyone is out to insult you dude!"

[Hendrik]

Yep! Definitely a misunderstanding here :rolleyes:

I'm actually trying to defend you Hendrik and you read this from what I write? Your misinterpretation of my actions speak volumes about how you view my posts actually!

But believe me when I say "not everyone is out to insult you dude!"



Thanks and appreciate!