Penjack silat vs Wing chun MMA fight footage

[kung fu fighter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twevLJ2y0S8

[HumbleWCGuy]

Thanks for the clip. That clip calls to mind my biggest gripe about WC practioners. I wish that people would stop using the chain punching so much. It's way over-emphasized to "show" WC. A tight "jab, cross" combo is just as much WC as a chain punch.

[n.mitch]

I agree chain punches need to be set up more latteral movement and use of angles set them up a lot better then just going straight in, otherwise it becomes to one dimesional, foot work is the key. straight punches work great from a self defence situation , but def need to be set up when in a comp or sparring situation

[HumbleWCGuy]

Footwork is a good point. A lot of TMA fighters seem to lumber a bit, rather than take smooth decisive steps.

[Phil Redmond]

Thanks for the clip. That clip calls to mind my biggest gripe about WC practioners. I wish that people would stop using the chain punching so much. It's way over-emphasized to "show" WC. A tight "jab, cross" combo is just as much WC as a chain punch.
Good Midwestern logic. (I was born in MI) ;)

[Wayfaring]

Thanks for the clip. That clip calls to mind my biggest gripe about WC practioners. I wish that people would stop using the chain punching so much. It's way over-emphasized to "show" WC. A tight "jab, cross" combo is just as much WC as a chain punch.

Another funny coincidence. I was just training with some boxers recently, and some of their bag work drills involve "burn-outs". This is a one minute timed assault on a bag getting as many punches in as possible. Boxing's version of the chain punch. I asked about the purpose or the drill and they said it was helpful in training finishing an opponent when you have them in trouble.

Small world.

[HumbleWCGuy]

Good Midwestern logic. (I was born in MI) ;)

LOL. That might be what it is.


Another funny coincidence. I was just training with some boxers recently, and some of their bag work drills involve "burn-outs". This is a one minute timed assault on a bag getting as many punches in as possible. Boxing's version of the chain punch. I asked about the purpose or the drill and they said it was helpful in training finishing an opponent when you have them in trouble.

Small world.

I haven't thought of the WC chain punch as a finisher although perhaps some could use it as such.

Is the boxing version significantly different? Where you working with lighter boxers? I don't see too many big guys using the volume approach.

Phill might be able to compare and contrast for us. He has a unique perspective as trains some professional boxers and decent WC fighters.

[Wu Wei Wu]

Hi Wayfaring,

Burns outs/Punch Outs/Olympic Punch Outs, as used by boxers are a great way to train straight punching, although in boxing, the biomechanics tend to be different e.g. elbow out, up on toe positions.

In addition, I was taught that Straight Punching (chain punching) is a back-up system for a failed attack and not a primary strategic response.

Suki

[Wayfaring]

Is the boxing version significantly different? Where you working with lighter boxers? I don't see too many big guys using the volume.

yes different. Similar hip elbow connection but with jab cross hook as well. The uppercut punches and hooks to body are similar elbow down punches.

[Wayfaring]

Hi Wayfaring,

Burns outs/Punch Outs/Olympic Punch Outs, as used by boxers are a great way to train straight punching, although in boxing, the biomechanics tend to be different e.g. elbow out, up on toe positions.

probably would be a decent conditioning drill for wc punching on the bag as well. True about mechanics but boxers finishing transition to more flat and wider stance. Uppercuts are thrown from there.


In addition, I was taught that Straight Punching (chain punching) is a back-up system for a failed attack and not a primary strategic response.

Suki
secondary strategic response for me. Metal- pursuit cutting finishing. In the timeframe where you own centerline and have your opponent in trouble.

[mawali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twevLJ2y0S8

The captions of Pentjak-silat vs wing chun is irrelevant in that looking at the sanshou type contest (kicking and punching basically) it is not evident by their respective displays of skill. One sees one is good at 'puching' and the other is good at kicking BUT only the better trained and coditioned fighter will win because of and in spite of their wing chun/pentjak-silat background.

[HumbleWCGuy]

The captions of Pentjak-silat vs wing chun is irrelevant in that looking at the sanshou type contest (kicking and punching basically) it is not evident by their respective displays of skill. One sees one is good at 'puching' and the other is good at kicking BUT only the better trained and coditioned fighter will win because of and in spite of their wing chun/pentjak-silat background.

Upright arts are, "kicking and punching basically." When we forget that, we lose effectiveness. The fighters demonstrate enough that I would recognize their arts.