Playing Wing Chun

[HumbleWCGuy]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

[Vajramusti]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?
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??????? just don't do that! Simple.

JC

[EternalSpring]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

Hmm, that def is a problem lol. But I'm not sure if I would say that those guys are following Ving Tsun to the letter!

[couch]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

Get them to spar with a functional martial artist to provoke a wake-up call.

[jesper]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

kick him in the nuts :D

[HumbleWCGuy]

Hmm, that def is a problem lol. But I'm not sure if I would say that those guys are following Ving Tsun to the letter!

I have seen guys who are halfway crisp who throw some kicks and such do about the same thing. Granted, those guys were not good in several ways.

[Wu Wei Wu]

Discourage the Wing Chun man from 'sparring' with other Wing Chun men, in favour of getting him against boxers, MMA guys and muay thai guys.

Suki

[HumbleWCGuy]

Is there a better way to get your guys ready without getting them beaten up?

[jesper]

Is there a better way to get your guys ready without getting them beaten up?

go to other schools and ask to start out with light sparring. then progress to harder sparring.

Sparring inside your own school can only get you so far. It will often lead to sloppiness as you get to know the other and how he/she fights.

I have lost counts of the times I have been to a new school and seen teachers saying "if you do x he will do Y". well duh maybe in your school, certainly not in mine :)

[HumbleWCGuy]

go to other schools and ask to start out with light sparring. then progress to harder sparring.

Sparring inside your own school can only get you so far. It will often lead to sloppiness as you get to know the other and how he/she fights.

I have lost counts of the times I have been to a new school and seen teachers saying "if you do x he will do Y". well duh maybe in your school, certainly not in mine :)

I have only noticed that at places that didn't want to spar full-contact. Getting your cap twisted back usually cuts out silliness.

[GlennR]

Is there a better way to get your guys ready without getting them beaten up?

No, theres no magic in sparring. Hard work and bumps

[GlennR]

kick him in the nuts :D

I was thinking that ;)

[LoneTiger108]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

Aww! How cute are these guys?! :eek:

C'mon people, have a heart!!! They're only doing what they have been told and it looks like there were serious limits, not only to their training, in the rules.

Personally, I can't stand this sort of thing :o

[Tom Kagan]

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

More ChernKiu Sao.

[nasmedicine]

I have often spoken about a phenomenon where two people follow Wing Chun principles to the letter, and you end up with what I call "Playing Wing Chun." Here is an example of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HDSYBrzrUw&feature=related

What do you guys do to remedy this problem?

IMHO, The only time you play Wing Chun is in chi sao/gor sao...etc. The example given in the link is not an example of any of those, rather it's an example of two inexperienced students trying to win point on who can land a tap/ "hit" first.

[HumbleWCGuy]

More ChernKiu Sao.

I think the answer is in drilling. Just so say, "spar," without giving people the correct tools is about the hardest way imaginable to develop any art. It will happen, but it will take longer, and it is essentially telling people that they are on their own.

[HumbleWCGuy]

IMHO, The only time you play Wing Chun is in chi sao/gor sao...etc. The example given in the link is not an example of any of those, rather it's an example of two inexperienced students trying to win point on who can land a tap/ "hit" first.

It happens a lot more with inexperienced people. But:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGq16earzl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvUP76MbtJE

[Tom Kagan]

I think the answer is in drilling. Just so say, "spar," without giving people the correct tools is about the hardest way imaginable to develop any art. It will happen, but it will take longer, and it is essentially telling people that they are on their own.

Which is why I said "More ChernKiu Sao" instead of "More MaaiSeung Jong".

Regardless, you are applying your own definition of "sparring" to create a strawman. Sparring isn't a fight and you are not on your own. Perhaps a lot of "sparring" you wouldn't call sparring, but it is the umbrella most western arts use to cover exactly what you are trying to suggest is not sparring but merely drilling.

[nasmedicine]

It happens a lot more with inexperienced people. But:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGq16earzl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvUP76MbtJE

both videos are good example of controlled wing chun playing in general (i'm sure there are those who will nit pick it to death, including myself). The second video was something more to my definition of "playing" wing chun. In the first video i feel that if they had some equipment on they could have been less uninhibited, especially with their kicking and footwork.

[imperialtaichi]

IMHO, The only time you play Wing Chun is in chi sao/gor sao...etc. The example given in the link is not an example of any of those, rather it's an example of two inexperienced students trying to win point on who can land a tap/ "hit" first.

Aim at hitting the opponent and you will get just that - hitting the opponent; and you will be defeated. Instead, focus on completely demolishing your opponent.

[nasmedicine]

Aim at hitting the opponent and you will get just that - hitting the opponent; and you will be defeated. Instead, focus on completely demolishing your opponent.

Agreed. .

[HumbleWCGuy]

Which is why I said "More ChernKiu Sao" instead of "More MaaiSeung Jong".
Yup, and... I was agreeing with you.


Regardless, you are applying your own definition of "sparring" to create a strawman. Sparring isn't a fight and you are not on your own. Perhaps a lot of "sparring" you wouldn't call sparring, but it is the umbrella most western arts use to cover exactly what you are trying to suggest is not sparring but merely drilling.
I am calling it sparring because that's what the people who posted the videos thought it was.

Good sparring, light or hard is dynamic and fluid. The hands move like whipping branches. Stiff defense, reaching, one punch attacks, and lumbering footwork passed off as sparring contribute to playing Wing Chun.