Muslims want to build a mosque near your house? No problem, lets go pig racing [Archive]

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 08:56 AM

So where are the Christian suicide bombers at? Can you cite recent examples of Christians beheading journalists? Can you cite Chrisitan countries stoning rape victims to death? When have Christians hijacked planes in the name of their God/religion/etc?

If they are indeed two sides of the same coin, I'm sure you will have at least a few examples posted here.

You did hear of the recent tragedy in Norway right?

Can you tell me where the Muslim suicide bombers are at? Because there is nothing in Islamic faith that says that is acceptable.

I can think of Muslim wedding parties being utterly destroyed by a drone from above guided by the hand of an American which is apparently a Christian country by the reckoning of many and your ilk included.

stoning? stoning isn't called for in Christianity. "Let he without sin..etc etc" however, it would appear that lynching is ok and whatever that cluster hump of so called christians in the US pan handle states calls for.

Oh yeah, and the baptists who hate soldiers and protest at their funerals or the same christians who shoot doctors for doing their job, or the jesus camps where they train kids to hate or .... well, it does go on.

Are you seriously trying to deflate the errors of your own favoured ways?

Like I said, the problem is religiosity. Not the faith. the faith stands alone. It is corrupted by the small mindedness of humans.

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 09:04 AM

Klu Klux Klan is a Christian organization. You want more?

No they are not. They may CLAIM to be, but show me any mainstream church that says the KKK's views are backed up by the Bible, Jesus, God, etc.

I could commit crimes and say I'm an atheist. Does that make me an atheist and show that the atheists support my crime spree?

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 09:08 AM

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 09:16 AM

You did hear of the recent tragedy in Norway right?

Yup. And the guy hates Muslims. I don't recall him saying he did it in the name of Jesus or Chrisitianity. And I bet you can't show me an example of a preacher/minister/etc he followed bellowing out hate speech and calling for a religious war, can you?

Can you tell me where the Muslim suicide bombers are at?

This is even mopre ridiculous than your claim that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation. If you can't find an example of a Muslim suicide bomber, you're either blind, in denial, or the most ignorant person in the Western World. Which is it? Do you also have a problem finding a McDonalds that serves Big Macs?

I can think of Muslim wedding parties being utterly destroyed by a drone from above guided by the hand of an American which is apparently a Christian country by the reckoning of many and your ilk included.

Grasping..grasping...grasping...

Get real. None of that is done in the name of God. And the President is not saying it's being done in the name of our religion. Unlike the suicide bombers, hijackers, and beheaders who claim they are committing their acts in the name of Allah.

stoning? stoning isn't called for in Christianity. "Let he without sin..etc etc" however, it would appear that lynching is ok and whatever that cluster hump of so called christians in the US pan handle states calls for.

What MODERN TIMES Chrisitan church is calling for lynchings? :confused: This is news to me. But then again, so was your assertion the Federal Reserve was a private corporation.

Oh yeah, and the baptists who hate soldiers and protest at their funerals or the same christians who shoot doctors for doing their job, or the jesus camps where they train kids to hate or .... well, it does go on.

Phelps CLAIMS to be a Baptist. FYI, no Baptist church will accept his beliefs. You do know he runs his own 'church', right? And he does that for the very reason I mentioned above.

Yes, some guys have shot abortion doctors. You're right there. I'm man enough to admit it (even though you can't admit your errors or ever give me credit when I'm right).

But can you show the preachers of these guys' churches calling for the murders? I can show 'imams' calling for murder, terrorism, etc. Can you show legitimate Christian preachers doing the same?

Are you seriously trying to deflate the errors of your own favoured ways?

I don't need to. I'm a Baptist. We have NO history of that.

I'll admit the Catholic church has committed bloodshed, murder, etc in the name of their religion. And some other religions burned withches, but those were not Baptists. So I don't have to defend my religion for stuff it has never done.

Like I said, the problem is religiosity. Not the faith. the faith stands alone. It is corrupted by the small mindedness of humans.

The problem is with SOME religions. When's the last time an Amish guy killed in the name of his religion?

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 09:24 AM

What MODERN TIMES Chrisitan church is calling for lynchings? :confused: This is news to me. But then again, so was your assertion the Federal Reserve was a private corporation.

Christian Reconstructionist like Bill Gothard and Gary North want stoning used as a form of capital punishment for crimes, including murder, adultery, “heresy,” and “witchcraft.”

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 09:27 AM

But can you show the preachers of these guys' churches calling for the murders? I can show 'imams' calling for murder, terrorism, etc. Can you show legitimate Christian preachers doing the same?
:rolleyes:

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 09:43 AM

Yup. And the guy hates Muslims. I don't recall him saying he did it in the name of Jesus or Chrisitianity. And I bet you can't show me an example of a preacher/minister/etc he followed bellowing out hate speech and calling for a religious war, can you?

This is even mopre ridiculous than your claim that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation. If you can't find an example of a Muslim suicide bomber, you're either blind, in denial, or the most ignorant person in the Western World. Which is it? Do you also have a problem finding a McDonalds that serves Big Macs?

Grasping..grasping...grasping...

Get real. None of that is done in the name of God. And the President is not saying it's being done in the name of our religion. Unlike the suicide bombers, hijackers, and beheaders who claim they are committing their acts in the name of Allah.

What MODERN TIMES Chrisitan church is calling for lynchings? :confused: This is news to me. But then again, so was your assertion the Federal Reserve was a private corporation.

Phelps CLAIMS to be a Baptist. FYI, no Baptist church will accept his beliefs. You do know he runs his own 'church', right? And he does that for the very reason I mentioned above.

Yes, some guys have shot abortion doctors. You're right there. I'm man enough to admit it (even though you can't admit your errors or ever give me credit when I'm right).

But can you show the preachers of these guys' churches calling for the murders? I can show 'imams' calling for murder, terrorism, etc. Can you show legitimate Christian preachers doing the same?

I don't need to. I'm a Baptist. We have NO history of that.

I'll admit the Catholic church has committed bloodshed, murder, etc in the name of their religion. And some other religions burned withches, but those were not Baptists. So I don't have to defend my religion for stuff it has never done.

The problem is with SOME religions. When's the last time an Amish guy killed in the name of his religion?

I'm glad you're in the minority. lol

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 09:43 AM

Christian Reconstructionist like Bill Gothard and Gary North want stoning used as a form of capital punishment for crimes, including murder, adultery, “heresy,” and “witchcraft.”

:rolleyes:

So you cannot show modern (or any, I'd wager) Chrisitans stoning people to death for being raped, can you?

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 09:45 AM

I'm glad you're in the minority. lol

I'm guessing this means you can't refute anything I posted.

As to me being the minority, I sure wasn't in November 2010. And I'll bet I'm not the minority in November 2012 either.

And one more thing, do you still maintain the Federal Reserve is a private corporation, or have you decided to actually admit you've been wrong at least once?

bawang

08-09-2011, 09:48 AM

why the hell are those muslims living in texas? do they have a deathwish?

my dad wanted to move there for job and i told him i would rather commit suicide and die an honorable death.

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 09:58 AM

my dad wanted to move there for job and i told him i would rather commit suicide and die an honorable death.

There seems to be alot of that going on. ;)

bawang

08-09-2011, 10:05 AM

he is a cereal chemist and was going there to steal your jobs. because white people are fighting over each other to become cereal chemists.

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 10:09 AM

I'm guessing this means you can't refute anything I posted.

As to me being the minority, I sure wasn't in November 2010. And I'll bet I'm not the minority in November 2012 either.

And one more thing, do you still maintain the Federal Reserve is a private corporation, or have you decided to actually admit you've been wrong at least once?

no not at all. And why would i.
If you are happy believing all that, who am I to try and change your mind?

You won't anyway, you have already made up your mind and you're not here to discuss anything so much as to tell people what they should think about this subject or that.

That's ok, you're still the minority and for that, I am truly happy. And when Obama wins AGAIN in 2012, I'll be up here in my comfortably appointed, Canadian home, with my healthcare, my job, my double income household, my 2x 25k+vehicles, my pure bred lap dog, my lovely kitties, my land, my family, etc etc etc + happily married for 13 years! yay! And we shall all sleep well!

Very well! Like we've been doing all along. I think it's watching you panic that chills us. :)

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 10:22 AM

So you cannot show modern (or any, I'd wager) Chrisitans stoning people to death for being raped, can you?

Can you show me a legitimate Muslim who condones stoning? Not someone who just claims to be Muslim but then runs around committing crimes and justifies them with religion?

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 12:06 PM

If you are happy believing all that, who am I to try and change your mind?

I'm not happy believing all of it, some of it is bad news. But the facts are the facts. Unlike you, I don't just make up my own reality and refuse to accept cold hard facts when shown I'm wrong.

You won't anyway, you have already made up your mind and you're not here to discuss anything so much as to tell people what they should think about this subject or that.

You're right, I'm not going to change my mind, at least right now. But if these socialist policies that have been enacted had actually worked, I would be inclined to support them. I support what works, and oppose what does not work. I still haven't seen socialism work yet, but I've seen it fail over and over and over...

That's ok, you're still the minority and for that, I am truly happy. And when Obama wins AGAIN in 2012, I'll be up here in my comfortably appointed, Canadian home, with my healthcare, my job, my double income household, my 2x 25k+vehicles, my pure bred lap dog, my lovely kitties, my land, my family, etc etc etc + happily married for 13 years! yay! And we shall all sleep well!

So if I'm on the side that did the shellacking, I'm still the minority? Wow, math must work differently in your little world.

As to me being happy, I am, but I could be better. The 2 million people who have lost their private sector jobs under this fool are the really unhappy ones though. I'll wager they vote like I do in 2012 as well.

I thought only greedy Republicans bragged on Internet forums about their possessions?

Very well! Like we've been doing all along. I think it's watching you panic that chills us. :)

The markets are in a bigger panic than I am. I guess they are stupid too, since they still haven't figured out it's all Bush's fault. Or Europe's fault. Or S&P's fault. Or the earthquake's fault. Or technology's fault. Or Congess's fault. Or the Arab Spring's fault. Or the political system's fault. Or Japan's fault. Or the Middle East's fault. Or....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSYYz7I8qV4
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS428US428&q=%22Obama+blames%22

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 12:11 PM

Can you show me a legitimate Muslim who condones stoning? Not someone who just claims to be Muslim but then runs around committing crimes and justifies them with religion?

I could make a list a mile long, but I'm pretty sure all I post 'wont count' for some reason or another. :rolleyes:

And then some liberal (maybe even you) will say that Fred Phelps alone proves Christianity is a vile, uncaring, cruel, etc religion.

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 12:31 PM

I could make a list a mile long, but I'm pretty sure all I post 'wont count' for some reason or another. :rolleyes:

And then some liberal (maybe even you) will say that Fred Phelps alone proves Christianity is a vile, uncaring, cruel, etc religion.

You really hate Muslims and Islam don't you?

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, there is a lot of hate coming off of people who claim to be Christian.

It's weird when I think about the Christians I know and how they are nothing at all like that and see Muslims as their brothers in the eyes of the lord.

I guess that doesn't hold true in America? Is there a special point of view about Muslims in the American version of Jesus worship?

JamesC

08-09-2011, 12:34 PM

Meh, there's crazies in every religion. Even mine.

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 12:42 PM

You really hate Muslims and Islam don't you?

I wouldn't call it hate, but I do call them what they are. Reality can be a *****, but it is what it is.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, there is a lot of hate coming off of people who claim to be Christian.

Can't argue with you there. ;)

It's weird when I think about the Christians I know and how they are nothing at all like that and see Muslims as their brothers in the eyes of the lord.

Too bad it's not recipricated. They look at any other religions practicioners as infidels.

I guess that doesn't hold true in America? Is there a special point of view about Muslims in the American version of Jesus worship?

There are naive people here who don't see that 'religion' for what it is. But I think (and hope) most see it for what it is. I look at it this way: most religions are a barrel of good apples with a few rotten apples. Islam is a 'religion' with a barrel of rotten apples with a few good apples. I didn't see any Muslim's dancing in the street when Osama bin-Laden was killed. If the majority of Muslims despise the actions of a few radicals, there should have been celbrations in all these Arab countries. After all, if a few radicals like him were ruining their decent religion's name, they should have been the most happy to see him gone. Maybe I missed them though. Can you point me to some?

Again; you don't see Mormons hijacking planes, or Jehovah's Witnesses strapping bombs to themselves and detonating them in shopping malls, or Lutherans stoning rape victims to death, or Baptists beheading journalists, ....

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 12:59 PM

You really hate Muslims and Islam don't you?

This is the same "Christian" that admittedly calls lesbians "dykes" and gay men "f@ggots" on a routine basis, and finds pleasure in teasing and tormenting children.

Unfortunately for the world, his ilk does seem to represent the Christian majority in America....

Kansuke

08-09-2011, 01:01 PM

he is a cereal chemist and was going there to steal your jobs. because white people are fighting over each other to become cereal chemists.

You do NOT want to run a foul of the Armada of Captain Crunch. Those Crunchberries are the cerealized remains of his enemies' hearts.

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 01:03 PM

I wouldn't call it hate, but I do call them what they are. Reality can be a *****, but it is what it is.

Can't argue with you there. ;)

Too bad it's not recipricated. They look at any other religions practicioners as infidels.

There are naive people here who don't see that 'religion' for what it is. But I think (and hope) most see it for what it is. I look at it this way: most religions are a barrel of good apples with a few rotten apples. Islam is a 'religion' with a barrel of rotten apples with a few good apples. I didn't see any Muslim's dancing in the street when Osama bin-Laden was killed. If the majority of Muslims despise the actions of a few radicals, there should have been celbrations in all these Arab countries. After all, if a few radicals like him were ruining their decent religion's name, they should have been the most happy to see him gone. Maybe I missed them though. Can you point me to some?

Again; you don't see Mormons hijacking planes, or Jehovah's Witnesses strapping bombs to themselves and detonating them in shopping malls, or Lutherans stoning rape victims to death, or Baptists beheading journalists, ....

you seem to be missing my point.

I don't see muslims doing these crimes either.

You work exclusively from inside your american cocoon which has a reality buffer zone to it to make certain you don't get to see the reality of it and instead, you get to see a formed reality instead that helps guide how you ultiamtely choose to think about it.

No one can make claim to a loving god and do these things. period.

same as we can't claim to be in the middle east to help anyone but ourselves.

It's one thing to lie to yourself, it's another thing to be manipulated and ignorant and it's another thing entirely to be directing those lies and manipulations.

It's also a lot easier to sell a lie when it's been salted with a little truth and peppered with a little patriotic drivel.

which is why you've convinced yourself somehow that one of the most popular and widely practiced religions on the planet is somehow evil in your view.

It's an american thing. Maybe a bit of a france thing. But if someone wants to build a Mosque or an Islamic centre, I say go for it! Build it wherever you like. Your religion has nothing to do with our politics.

done. city gets money, people get place to gather. all is well.

Kansuke

08-09-2011, 01:04 PM

I'll be up here in my comfortably appointed, Canadian home, with double income household

Are you bragging about making your wife work?

Kansuke

08-09-2011, 01:12 PM

if someone wants to build a Mosque or an Islamic centre, I say go for it!

Canada is so desperate for warm bodies to maintain a sustainable population they would say "Go for it!" if someone wanted to build a pyramid for worshipping being bad at hockey and burning and looting in downtown Vancouver.

bawang

08-09-2011, 01:16 PM

i dont like muslims. its ok for me to say it because im not white.

You do NOT want to run a foul of the Armada of Captain Crunch. Those Crunchberries are the cerealized remains of his enemies' hearts.

the crunchberries are mummified testicles of navajo children

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 01:27 PM

Canada is so desperate for warm bodies to maintain a sustainable population they would say "Go for it!" if someone wanted to build a pyramid for worshipping being bad at hockey and burning and looting in downtown Vancouver.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you because of my free healthcare and worlds most stable economy and my triple a credit rating.

what?

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 01:29 PM

Are you bragging about making your wife work?

my wife makes more than I do! lol.
She loves her career.

I'm bragging about my hot wife who knows how to make men weep with her ability to make money. bwahahaha.

Kansuke

08-09-2011, 02:49 PM

I'm sorry, I can't hear you because of my free healthcare and worlds most stable economy and my triple a credit rating.

what?

I'll tell you again 3 months later after you are actually seen by 'Generic Doctor #2290785734b.'

Kansuke

08-09-2011, 02:50 PM

my wife makes more than I do! lol.
She loves her career.

I'm bragging about my hot wife who knows how to make men weep with her ability to make money. bwahahaha.

Are you saying you're a wh0re?

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 02:58 PM

This is the same "Christian" that admittedly calls lesbians "dykes" and gay men "f@ggots" on a routine basis, and finds pleasure in teasing and tormenting children.

They are what they are. The Bible uses terms worse than that to describe them.

I've said I will in the future, yes. But I've not derived pleasure from something I've yet to do. And I also pointed out I'll do it to teach AN ADULT a lesson, not for personal pleasure.

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 03:00 PM

I don't see muslims doing these crimes either.

Are you really saying that you've never seen Muslims beheading people, or strapping bombs to themselves, or hijacking airliners?

Are you really saying this?

BJJ-Blue

08-09-2011, 03:07 PM

my wife makes more than I do! lol.
She loves her career.

So you have a wife and money? Great, you can take my challenge and prove how intolerant us redneck, red State people are and how accepting of others Muslims are!

It's easy. On your next vacation, head to the Gulf Coast. Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida all have beaches on it. You know, all these backwards Red States. Now have your wife wear a bikini or a one-piece bathing suit. Tell her to go up to the first cop, lifeguard, etc and ask how they are doing. And be sure to tape it. Now head to a beach in Saudi Arabia. Have your wife wear the same thing she wore on the Gulf Coast and have her ask the first cop, lifeguard, etc how they are doing. And be sure to tape it. If the rednecks are more intolerant than the Muslims, I'll pay for the vacation, and throw my 2007 modded Mustang GT in too. It's in excellent shape, has full maintenance records, and has never been smoked in (cigarettes). It runs mid-12s in good weather. Care to take up the challenge? :D

David Jamieson

08-09-2011, 05:42 PM

Are you really saying that you've never seen Muslims beheading people, or strapping bombs to themselves, or hijacking airliners?

Are you really saying this?

I've seen nihilists from Arab countries doing this, but as it is contrary to the teachings of the Koran to do so, I would not consider your shadowy enemy muslims, anymore than I would consider Aryan nation a Christian organization.

But, I have also seen terrible things happen in my own back yard, in my country, and yours that grew from within. Do i paint religion on them to make it easier to dehumanize an entire culture?

nope. But you go ahead and hang tight to that prejudice I guess. I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm here to be in the forum.

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 07:09 PM

They are what they are. The Bible uses terms worse than that to describe them. Is it your opinion that your Lord and Saviour would approve of those derogatory terms?

I've said I will in the future, yes. But I've not derived pleasure from something I've yet to do. And I also pointed out I'll do it to teach AN ADULT a lesson, not for personal pleasure.
Typical Baptist. You have no kids, but you are perfectly willing to force your opinion on how to raise them on people who do...

MasterKiller

08-09-2011, 07:15 PM

So you have a wife and money? Great, you can take my challenge and prove how intolerant us redneck, red State people are and how accepting of others Muslims are!

It's easy. On your next vacation, head to the Gulf Coast. Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida all have beaches on it. You know, all these backwards Red States. Now have your wife wear a bikini or a one-piece bathing suit. Tell her to go up to the first cop, lifeguard, etc and ask how they are doing. And be sure to tape it. Now head to a beach in Saudi Arabia. Have your wife wear the same thing she wore on the Gulf Coast and have her ask the first cop, lifeguard, etc how they are doing. And be sure to tape it. If the rednecks are more intolerant than the Muslims, I'll pay for the vacation, and throw my 2007 modded Mustang GT in too. It's in excellent shape, has full maintenance records, and has never been smoked in (cigarettes). It runs mid-12s in good weather. Care to take up the challenge? :D
DJ's wife is black. I'd wager he'd be in more danger in Alabama than in Baghdad.

rett

08-10-2011, 12:20 AM

I've seen nihilists from Arab countries doing this, but as it is contrary to the teachings of the Koran to do so, I would not consider your shadowy enemy muslims, anymore than I would consider Aryan nation a Christian organization.

What about all the people who dance in the streets after 9-11 type attacks? What about the high percentages of muslims in Britain who say they SUPPORT suicide bombings? Are they ALL just nihilists and misunderstanders of the Koran? By your logic, soon there won't be many true Muslims left.

rett

08-10-2011, 12:21 AM

DJ's wife is black. I'd wager he'd be in more danger in Alabama than in Baghdad.

From what I've read of the Iraq war, the Iraqis were murderously prejudiced against blacks.

Lokhopkuen

08-10-2011, 12:46 AM

It demands great spiritual resilience not to hate even the hater whose foot is on your neck, and an even greater miracle of perception and charity not to teach your child to hate.:D

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 05:25 AM

What about all the people who dance in the streets after 9-11 type attacks? What about the high percentages of muslims in Britain who say they SUPPORT suicide bombings? Are they ALL just nihilists and misunderstanders of the Koran? By your logic, soon there won't be many true Muslims left.

These "true" muslims you speak of. Are they anything like true Christians at all? You know, the ones who call for their destruction?

Perspective is hugely important and resisting the urge to slap a label on an entire group of people.

there are all kinds who revel in destruction. There were all sorts of people who danced in the streets I suppose. I don't think that had much to do with their religion so much as their perception of Americas role in the world and how many feel that America has overstepped their boundaries.

For a great many people, it was mere karma.
For others it was horrifying. the more oblivious you are about what your government is doing probably correlates directly to how horrified you were by the event.

I think we should put it behind us, heal, move on and keep moving on. War not included. Or as little conflict as possible.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 05:49 AM

You have no kids, but you are perfectly willing to force your opinion on how to raise them on people who do...

BS. I don't care how someone raises their kids, as long is it does not affect my "pusrsuit of happiness".

Lets say you're at a movie and a child is screaming at the top of its lungs during the movie. Do you complain, talk to the parents, etc or do you say, "Well that's how they raise their kids so I can't force my opinion on them"?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 05:50 AM

These "true" muslims you speak of. Are they anything like true Christians at all? You know, the ones who call for their destruction?

You see Rett, those Muslims you spoke of "dont count". :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 05:55 AM

DJ's wife is black. I'd wager he'd be in more danger in Alabama than in Baghdad.

Great!!! Then I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to take my challenge and get his free vacation and muscle car!

You know MK, you are a work of art. You bash one religion because they don't want you to be able to buy alcohol on Sundays, but you defend a 'religion' that forces women to dress like this at the beach:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2Y3KsciLCBo/TO0Xck89uQI/AAAAAAAABIE/m23Ii4W47s8/s1600/Muslim+women+clothing+in+Saudi+Arabia.jpg

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 06:05 AM

I've seen nihilists from Arab countries doing this, but as it is contrary to the teachings of the Koran to do so, ...

Wrong again.

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (8:12)

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" Quran (3:151)

"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" Quran (8:39)

"And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." Quaran (8:59-60)

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Quaran (9:5)

I think that should be enough to prove you wrong on yet another thing. But if you want more Quaran passages calling for violnece, murder, terrorism, etc, I have even more.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 06:24 AM

You know MK, you are a work of art. You bash one religion because they don't want you to be able to buy alcohol on Sundays, but you defend a 'religion' that forces women to dress like this at the beach:

I don't care how someone raises their kids, as long is it does not affect my "pusrsuit of happiness".

hmmmmmm........

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 06:29 AM

lol @ the hick trying to cherry pick the Koran.

Dude, you are parading your idiotic prejudices as if they were ok.
They're not really you know.

what you are doing is in fact by any scripture, evil.
You are doing the devils work by causing discourse among mere men.

Therefore, It's safe to brand you as a satanist and the only reason you attack Islam is because you hate god and you hate peace.

meh. I know what's what and you should invest time into understanding.

say, you wouldn't have an electric car would you? And, you're paying for the vacation? Awesome! I can't wait to go on my all expenses paid trip to the middle east to have a look at the love and light that exists within Islam!

BTW, that's the most Christian offer you've made so far!

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:07 AM

hmmmmmm........

One is about Gov't laws and the other isnt.

You still didn't explain why you defend a religion that makes women wear black tents at the beach.

FYI, I'm against "Blue Laws" and I'd be against laws banning kids from movie theaters. It should be up to the liquor store and movie theater owners on those issues. That's consistancy.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:08 AM

lol @ the hick trying to cherry pick the Koran.

So those verses "dont count" either. :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:13 AM

Let's do a little more "cherry picking":

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Quaran (9:29)

"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" Quaran (9:30)

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." Quaran (9:38-39)

"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Quaran (9:123)

"If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." Quaran (33:60-62)

Man, that vile book sure has alot of cherries in it. ;) Do you need even more, or are do these "count"?

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 07:15 AM

You still didn't explain why you defend a religion that makes women wear black tents at the beach. If those women are dumb enough to follow it, I don't give a sh1t what they do.

"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)

"Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering." (1 Corinthians 11:13-15)

"If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, 'I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin..." (Deuteronomy 22:13,14)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 07:21 AM

So those verses "dont count" either. :rolleyes:

Matthew 7:3 - Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

You are a dangerous person who is basically preaching hatred.
Believe it or not, in Canada, you could be arrested for what you are doing here.

Weird eh? :)

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:23 AM

lol @ the hick trying to cherry pick the Koran.

Please stop calling names and launching personal attacks. You're a mod now, act like it and be respectful of others.

Dude, you are parading your idiotic prejudices as if they were ok.
They're not really you know.

I'm not the one calling for the murder of those who don't share my religion. The prejudiced ones are the Muslims who murder people as that vile book says to do just because they are different than them. Isn't that like the very definition of prejudice?

what you are doing is in fact by any scripture, evil.
You are doing the devils work by causing discourse among mere men.

But calling for suicide bombings of followers of different religions and beheading Jewish journalists isn't causing discourse at all, right?

Therefore, It's safe to brand you as a satanist and the only reason you attack Islam is because you hate god and you hate peace.

Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

say, you wouldn't have an electric car would you? And, you're paying for the vacation? Awesome! I can't wait to go on my all expenses paid trip to the middle east to have a look at the love and light that exists within Islam!

BTW, that's the most Christian offer you've made so far!

No, I do not drive golf carts around, I drive real cars. You're free to trade it in for a golf cart if you like though, if you win it.

When are you planning this vacation?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:24 AM

Matthew 7:3 - Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

You are a dangerous person who is basically preaching hatred.
Believe it or not, in Canada, you could be arrested for what you are doing here.

Weird eh? :)

How am I preaching hatred by showing other's doing exactly that? :rolleyes:

Yeah, you guys don't have the right to free speech up there. Sorry about that, as freedom is wonderful.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:29 AM

You know MK, it does say those things. I can't argue with that.

Show now she me whare Chrisitans are stoning non-virgins to death and you'll have a point. See, we aren't such blind followers filled with hate that we take those things literally. And of course you only pulled Old Testament scripture. Chrisitans believe in Jesus and his teachings, which are different than Old Testament laws, rules, etc. Even Jews who don't believe in Jesus and take the Old Testament as the law don't stone non-virgins to death. Or maybe they do and you have examples of it.

And I never saw any verses calling for killing non-Christians.

And again, we are talking about MODERN times. Good luck finding those examples.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 07:31 AM

And of course you only pulled Old Testament scripture. Chrisitans believe in Jesus and his teachings, which are different than Old Testament laws, rules, etc..

Then you are misinterpreting Jesus' intent.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 07:34 AM

And again, we are talking about MODERN times. Good luck finding those examples.

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, commits numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters, and sex slaves.

Of course, I can probably find Biblical verses to justify all of that, if you want me to.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 07:39 AM

How am I preaching hatred by showing other's doing exactly that? :rolleyes:

Yeah, you guys don't have the right to free speech up there. Sorry about that, as freedom is wonderful.

Nope, you're preaching hatred by attempting to stir hatred towards a people who happen to have a predominant religion that is different than your own.

I actually have more freedoms and benefits than you may think. Especially free speech! lol.

I mean, I know you'd like us to stop pointing out that YOU are the problem and people like YOU are the problem. But that's not going to happen is it?

You know why? Because YOU are still the problem for most of the world.
Your line of thinking is so hateful and biased in such an inappropriate manner and misguided by such casual ignorance to a religion that has More than a billion adherants.

Yeah, your little texas drawl shouting "terrorist" at Muslims is not going to make any difference whatsoever.

Heck, I'm only here to continue to point out just how meaningless your drivel is and how it should be countered immediately and corrected.

As you seem to have difficulty with the give and take of conversation as everyone else participates in, I guess we should just resort to shouting back the corrections to you as you make the ignorant statements and errors of judgement.

This is because, you need to hear it, but you won't listen because of your hate.
I would urge you to go to an Islamic centre and learn. Alternately, you could take it up with them and perhaps have them directly school you in the schoolboy errors of your ways.

For Most of us, there is no question that people will be people.
Unfortunately, not everyone sees things this way.
Certainly, that can't be expected as we all hold to different views.
Knowing that, should be enough to get to common ground.

You know as well as any one that this is true.
Only you choose to deny it for now.
Ultimately, that is your choice.

...and good day. :)

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 07:39 AM

Then you are misinterpreting Jesus' intent.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

How so? The Old Testament said 'An eye for an eye', and Jesus said 'Turn the other cheek'. Maybe the owrd "abolish" is too strong, would you say he came to "change" or "alter" them?

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, commits numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters, and sex slaves.

Oh no, you really got me there. :rolleyes:

Next you'll connect Warren Jeffs to mainstream Mormonism and say they still believe in marrying and having sex with girls as young as 12.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 07:50 AM

Here's a bit on Jeffs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

Christian through and through by his telling and his followers telling.
Fundamentalist Mormon.

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 08:09 AM

The koran has quite a few passages that are, well, violent and quite horrific towards non-believers.
Luckly moderate and the majority of Muslims today view them as "things of the past" and relic passages of a time long gone.
But not ALL muslims view them as such.

Just like not all Christians view passages about "love they enemy and pray for who persecutes you" and "judge not", as passages that superceed OT passages that SEEM to advocate violence and such.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 08:21 AM

Oh no, you really got me there. Like it or not, you are in a cult, too. It just happens to be a big one.

Next you'll connect Warren Jeffs to mainstream Mormonism and say they still believe in marrying and having sex with girls as young as 12.

I love how Christian nutjobs are all isolated incidents in your worldview, but Muslim nutjobs are indicative of the billions of people practicing it.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 08:40 AM

Next you'll connect Warren Jeffs to mainstream Mormonism and say they still believe in marrying and having sex with girls as young as 12.

Christian through and through by his telling and his followers telling.
Fundamentalist Mormon.

Wow, I was correct again. I admit I did get the person wrong, but I guess MK was smart enough to not spout that foolishness.

And again, he is not a Christian just because he says so. I could call myself a lawyer, but that does not make me one. His beliefs are in no way shared by those of mainstream Chrisitanity ot Mormonism.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 08:41 AM

The koran has quite a few passages that are, well, violent and quite horrific towards non-believers.

You're wrong. Those passages "dont count".

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 08:45 AM

You're wrong. Those passages "dont count".

Everything counts.
As a christian I must reconcile the horrifc acts attributed to God in the OT with God as he is revealed in Christ in the NT,
I may not like it, but I have to do it.

Muslims don't have a "NT" to work with.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 08:46 AM

Like it or not, you are in a cult, too. It just happens to be a big one.

We'll see who is right when we both die. I'm not saying I'm headed to Heaven as I am not perfect, but I have a chance. Sadly, you do not. And though we don't get along that does make me sad. I don't want to see anyone going to Hell.

I love how Christian nutjobs are all isolated incidents in your worldview, but Muslim nutjobs are indicative of the billions of people practicing it.

You're twisting my words. I pointed out you saw Muslims dancing in the streets on 9/11, but you didn't see them doing that when bin-Laden was killed. And I've pointed out the mosques where hatred is preached and where terrorists attend are also attended by large groups of Muslims, not just a couple isolated nutjobs.

And "isolated" is the wrong word. You cant show us ANY incidents of modern Chrisitans hijacking planes in the name of Jesus, or them beheading journalists (or anyone for that matter) over their religious views.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 08:46 AM

Everything counts.

Not according to Jamieson.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 08:49 AM

As a christian I must reconcile the horrifc acts attributed to God in the OT with God as he is revealed in Christ in the NT,
I may not like it, but I have to do it.

Muslims don't have a "NT" to work with.

Agreed. But at least we admit it. We have people here who arent even Muslims refusing to admit Islam's calls for violence. :rolleyes:

And no, they don't have a "NT". Their book calls for murder, violence, terrorism, death to anyone not Muslim, etc and it never says later on that that stuff is wrong and should no longer be practiced.

Reality_Check

08-10-2011, 08:57 AM

I pointed out you saw Muslims dancing in the streets on 9/11...

Yes, all Muslims (which is what you are equating by attacking Islam as a whole) celebrated 9/11.

Yeah, I know. All Muslims clearly celebrated the attacks on 9/11.

Oh wait...

Iran Mourns American Dead (http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/)

Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab and Muslim world (http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm#Expressions of grief and sympathy in the Arab and Muslim world:)

http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Se...statements.pdf (http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/September_11_statements.pdf)

http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/0...tember-11.html (http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/09/08/we-could-learn-from-grace-and-unity-in-aftermath-of-september-11.html)

http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/08/...ttacks-of-911/ (http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/the-myth-that-the-muslim-world-celebrated-the-attacks-of-911/)

Were there some people who celebrated? Yes. Does that mean we should tar almost 2 billion people as terrorists or terrorist supporters? No.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 08:58 AM

And "isolated" is the wrong word. You cant show us ANY incidents of modern Chrisitans hijacking planes in the name of Jesus Uh, you do realize 9/11 was a repsonse to our involvement in Israel and not because "they hate our freedom," right?

And besides...

Flores, 44, hijacked the Aeromexico Flight 576 from Cancun after a 'divine revelation', according to Public Safety Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna, telling him that the date, 9-9-09, was the satanic number 666 turned upside down. He said he was a priest.

The hijacker of a Turkish Airlines plane with 113 people on board that was forced to land in Italy on Tuesday evening has turned out to be a Christian convert Turkish army deserter seeking political asylum.

or them beheading journalists (or anyone for that matter) over their religious views. Klu Klux Klan, The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), the Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA), the Iron Guard, the Lăncieri, and Army of God are ALL Christian organzations that attack, kill, and/or terrorize others in the name of Jesus.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:04 AM

Yes, all Muslims (which is what you are equating by attacking Islam as a whole) celebrated 9/11.

Let's not twist my words around, or add words I didn't type, please. Debate what I've said, not you say I really meant. If I mean something, I'll say it. Like me or hate me, you have to admit I pull no punches when talking about my beliefs.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:07 AM

Uh, you do realize 9/11 was a repsonse to our involvement in Israel and not because "they hate our freedom," right?

That's moot. The point is they did it because their vile book says to do those things.

Klu Klux Klan, The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), the Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA), the Iron Guard, the Lăncieri, and Army of God are ALL Christian organzations that attack, kill, and/or terrorize others in the name of Jesus.

Just stop, you're ambarrassing yourself.

Again, why are you defending a religion that wont allow a woman to wear a bathing suit to a beach, yet are dumping on one you complain wont let you buy alcohol on Sunday?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:09 AM

Flores, 44, hijacked the Aeromexico Flight 576 from Cancun after a 'divine revelation', according to Public Safety Secretary Genaro Garcia Luna, telling him that the date, 9-9-09, was the satanic number 666 turned upside down. He said he was a priest.

Quote:
The hijacker of a Turkish Airlines plane with 113 people on board that was forced to land in Italy on Tuesday evening has turned out to be a Christian convert Turkish army deserter seeking political asylum.

Is this really the best you could dig up?

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:10 AM

Again, why are you defending a religion that wont allow a woman to wear a bathing suit to a beach, yet are dumping on one you complain wont let you buy alcohol on Sunday?

I already answered that.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:13 AM

I already answered that.

Can you please direct me to that answer?

Kansuke

08-10-2011, 09:14 AM

lol @ the hick trying to cherry pick the Koran.

Dude, you are parading your idiotic prejudices as if they were ok.
They're not really you know.

what you are doing is in fact by any scripture, evil.
You are doing the devils work by causing discourse [sic] among mere men.

Is a 'moderator' supposed to be calling members "hick"?

And, the word you were looking for there was "discord."

AND, while it is laudable that you feel compelled to stand against bigotry and prejudice, it can be taken too far when it becomes reflexive, uncritical excuse-making for any and all behavior; apologia becomes apologist. Don't get carried away with your own arrogant self-righteousness.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:14 AM

That's moot. The point is they did it because their vile book says to do those things. ?

And yet, your book, which promotes slavery, incest, baby killing, misogony, murder and rape, all condoned by your God, is somehow NOT VILE because you choose to not take those parts "literally."

What a maroon.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:17 AM

Can you please direct me to that answer?

You know MK, you are a work of art. You bash one religion because they don't want you to be able to buy alcohol on Sundays, but you defend a 'religion' that forces women to dress like this at the beach:

I don't care how someone raises their kids, as long is it does not affect my "pusrsuit of happiness".

hmmmmmm........I wonder what the difference could be?

Kansuke

08-10-2011, 09:17 AM

Uh, you do realize 9/11 was a repsonse to our involvement in Israel .

Not as simple as that either.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:19 AM

this is the difference between weak christians and strong muslims.

christians want to pursue happiness. muslims faithfully worship their god with grimness and stern resolve.

christians are passive aggresive and feminine, when muslims are masculine and accept and embrace violence.
muslims are what fundamental christians wish they could be.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:20 AM

And yet, your book, which promotes slavery, incest, baby killing, misogony, murder and rape, all condoned by your God, is somehow NOT VILE because you choose to not take those parts "literally."

What a maroon.

It DID, if I even admit you're right. It no longer does. That's the difference between Chrisitanity and Islam.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:21 AM

hmmmmmm........I wonder what the difference could be?

Can you please rephrase your answer. And maybe that's me, I'm not attacking you. Just please rephrase it so I understand your answer.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:23 AM

It DID, if I even admit you're right. It no longer does. That's the difference between Chrisitanity and Islam.

So you believe Jews practice a vile religion, then? Correct?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:23 AM

Not as simple as that either.

He is making excuses for them. And attacking a religion that does not do those things in order to defend it.

I wonder if he says the same things about Christianity to his Christian students that he says to me.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:24 AM

So you believe Jews practice a vile religion, then? Correct?

No. They are not crashing planes into buildings, beheading journalists, sending suicide bombers into shopping malls, etc.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:25 AM

I wonder if he says the same things about Christianity to his Christian students that he says to me. I don't talk about religion in my classes. Unlike some people, I don't see a need to force it into every conversation.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:27 AM

i dont understand. muslim extremists is everything fundamental christians want to be. why the hate?

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:27 AM

He is making excuses for them. And attacking a religion that does not do those things in order to defend it.

:rolleyes:

I forgot. Anyone who doesn't order "Freedom" Fries or have 37 American Flag decals on their car is a terrorist sympathizer. Is this 2004 all over again?

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:30 AM

No. They are not crashing planes into buildings, beheading journalists, sending suicide bombers into shopping malls, etc.

But their religious text condones "vile" acts. Is their religious text as "vile" as the Koran?

For example:

Rabbinic law based on the authority of the Torah, expressed or inferred, affixes death by stoning to eighteen crimes:

1.Bestiality committed by man (Lev. xx. 15; Sanh. vii. 4, 54b; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, x. 1; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17).
2.Bestiality committed by woman (Lev. xx. 16: Sanh. vii. 4, 54b; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, x. 3; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17).
3.Blasphemy (Lev. xxiv. 16; Sanh. vii. 4, 43a; Sifra, Emor, xix.).
4.Intercourse with a betrothed virgin (Deut. xxii. 23, 24; Sanh. vii. 4, 66b; Sifre, Deut. 242).
5.Intercourse with one's own daughter-in-law (Lev. xx. 12; Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 13).
6.Intercourse with one's own mother (Lev. xviii. 7, xx. 11; Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 12).
7.Intercourse with one's own stepmother (Lev. xviii. 8, xx. 11; Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 12).
8.Cursing a parent (Lev. xx. 9; Sanh. vii. 4, 66a; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 7).
9.Enticing individuals to idolatry: "Mesit" (Deut. xiii. 7–12 [A. V. 6–11]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 90).
10.Idolatry (Deut. xvii. 2–7; Sanh. vii. 4, 60b; Sifre, Deut. 149).
11.Instigating communities to idolatry: "Maddiaḥ" (Deut. xiii. 2–6 [A. V. 1–5]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 86).
12.Necromancy (Lev. xx. 27; Sanh. vii. 4, 65a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, xi., end).
13.Offering one's own children to Molech (Lev. xx. 2; Sanh. vii. 4, 64a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, viii., parashah 10, beginning).
14.Pederasty (Lev. xx. 13; Sanh. vii. 4, 54a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 14).
15.Pythonism (Lev. xx. 27; Sanh. vii. 4, 65a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, xi., end).
16.Rebelling against parents (Deut. xxi. 18–21; Sanh. vii. 4, 68b; Sifre, Deut. 220).
17.Shabbath-breaking (Num. xv. 32–36; Sanh. vii. 4; Sifre, Num. 114).
18.Witchcraft (Ex. xxii. 17 [A. V. 18]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17).

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:40 AM

I don't talk about religion in my classes. Unlike some people, I don't see a need to force it into every conversation.

Nor do I. I don't believe I've ever brought mine up initially unless questions were asked of me. It's came up in my gym, more than once. Not often, but it does happen. I have worked with an instructor who refused to teach (work) on Sunday though. So that was obviously a case of it being brought into the gym.

Kansuke

08-10-2011, 09:40 AM

He is making excuses for them. And attacking a religion that does not do those things in order to defend it.

I wonder if he says the same things about Christianity to his Christian students that he says to me.

You're all misguided and talking past one another.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:41 AM

ok, what is wrong with stoning criminals? i dont get it.

so what if a religion is a little violent?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:42 AM

:I forgot. Anyone who doesn't order "Freedom" Fries or have 37 American Flag decals on their car is a terrorist sympathizer. Is this 2004 all over again?

Get real. Let's be rational adults here.

The 18 crimes related to stoning Rabbinic law based on the authority of the Torah, expressed or inferred, affixes death by stoning to eighteen crimes:

Let's say your right. So when is the last time anyone was stoned to death by Jews or Chrisitans for those crimes?

I can tell you plenty of recent examples of Muslims committing murder, violence, etc. But I'm sure you're aware of that.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:43 AM

I can tell you plenty of recent examples of Muslims committing murder, violence, etc. But I'm sure you're aware of that.

what is wrong with that?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 09:43 AM

You're all misguided and talking past one another.

We are talking past one another, I admit that.

That's why I asked the simple question of why he is defending one religion while attacking the other. IMO, that will be a better starting point for a rational discussion.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:45 AM

That's why I asked the simple question of why he is defending one religion while attacking the other. IMO, that will be a better starting point for a rational discussion.

because for thousands of years in europe there has always been a hidden subculture of people who secretly did not believe in jesus, and were forced to conform. now they take out their anger since they have freedom.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 09:46 AM

Nor do I. I don't believe I've ever brought mine up initially unless questions were asked of me. It's came up in my gym, more than once. Not often, but it does happen. I have worked with an instructor who refused to teach (work) on Sunday though. So that was obviously a case of it being brought into the gym.

If someone asks me what I think, I tell them. But I run a martial arts class, not a church group.

I support your teacher's decision, just as I support Chik-Fil-A's right to close on Sundays, and I RESPECT them for putting their beliefs ahead of money. But when someone thinks I should behave according to their beliefs, and tries to limit my personal freedoms because of it, it makes me irrate.

If you don't want to work, that's fine. But don't tell me I can't.

If you don't want to buy liquor on Sunday, great! Don't tell me I can't.

If you want to follow a stupid relgious practice that makes you bathe in full clothes, awesome. I'm wearing a thong to the waterpark, regardless.

bawang

08-10-2011, 09:47 AM

the holy resting day is on saturday. the emperor of the roman empire changed it to sunday because they were anti jewish.

anyone that observes sunday rest is a heretic and anti christ.

rett

08-10-2011, 10:22 AM

Believe it or not, in Canada, you could be arrested for what you are doing here.

For quoting the Koran? Give me a break!

So is the Koran banned in Canada? Because that's where those "hateful" quotes come from.

I know a Christian preacher was arrested in Sweden for quoting the Bible a few years back. All he did was quote the parts that are critical of homesexuals. He faced jail time for that, but finally got off. Pastor Phelps really went to town on Sweden over that.

As much as I'm against hate speech, I think both of these cases are ridiculous. People must be allowed to have a free discussion.

rett

08-10-2011, 10:23 AM

But their religious text condones "vile" acts. Is their religious text as "vile" as the Koran?

For example:

Rabbinic law based on the authority of the Torah, expressed or inferred, affixes death by stoning to eighteen crimes:

Religions are as religions do. Modern Judaism doesn't stone people.

In Iran, people are stoned to death, in the name of religious piety.

That's the crucial difference. Soon as Iran stops stoning people the world will be a little bit better of a place.

bawang

08-10-2011, 10:24 AM

i worship guan yu the god of war and he has only one commandment:

thou shalt kill.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 10:57 AM

For quoting the Koran? Give me a break!

So is the Koran banned in Canada? Because that's where those "hateful" quotes come from.

I know a Christian preacher was arrested in Sweden for quoting the Bible a few years back. All he did was quote the parts that are critical of homesexuals. He faced jail time for that, but finally got off. Pastor Phelps really went to town on Sweden over that.

As much as I'm against hate speech, I think both of these cases are ridiculous. People must be allowed to have a free discussion.

mot for quoting the bible, but for inciting hatred towards a religious group. He is essentially painting all muslims with the same brush and using his paint of "they are terrorists".

I could care less if all he did was quote scripture.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 10:58 AM

the holy resting day is on saturday. the emperor of the roman empire changed it to sunday because they were anti jewish.

anyone that observes sunday rest is a heretic and anti christ.

Many don't know this, but it is 100% correct and that is indeed what happened.

In fact, Romans in about 70CE under Vespasian and his son Titus sacked Jerusalem, destroyed the second temple and dragged the holy relics and all the booty to Rome and enslaved the Jews who were taken from Jerusalem. and therein making a final blow to Judea.

Romans hated Jews. It's recorded on Titus's Arch in old Rome.

Know what they did with the money and the slaves? They built one of the greatest symbols of the roman empire with it and them. the Colliseum was built by Jews and using Jewish Treasure.

How ironic is that!?

Kansuke

08-10-2011, 11:01 AM

mot for quoting the bible, but for inciting hatred towards a religious group. He is essentially painting all muslims with the same brush and using his paint of "they are terrorists".

I could care less if all he did was quote scripture.

I hope that one day you win the right to free speech in Canada.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 11:04 AM

Typical American Xtains.....

http://www.allfacebook.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/xians.png

rett

08-10-2011, 11:06 AM

Typical American Xtains.....

Yeah, typical. All talk, no action.

(compare to what happens if you draw a cartoon of... I won't say who)

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 11:11 AM

If you want to follow a stupid relgious practice that makes you bathe in full clothes, awesome. I'm wearing a thong to the waterpark, regardless.

I understand that. But plenty of other laws they are for would get in your way of your pursuit of happiness.

So to me, your kind of taking that 'well as long as they don't take my rights I dont care if they rob others of their freedoms'. Blue Laws are really the only Christian laws that are too forceful on other's rights, imo. Islam is loaded with them.

Remember, I'm against ALL of those rules that force religion on others. But Islam has alot more religious beliefs forced on others through the law than Christianity does. And we don't stone people to death if they do buy liquor on Sundays.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 11:13 AM

He is essentially painting all muslims with the same brush and using his paint of "they are terrorists".

I'm also asking you to stop adding words to my posts and twisting my words around. Debate on what I do say please.

bawang

08-10-2011, 11:17 AM

you keep asking for christian atrocities.

american missionaries told chinese farmers that the famine happening was caused by god. the chinese took it literaly thinking the missionaries were using magical powers, and started the boxer rebellion, killing hundreds of missionaries and over ten thousand chinese converts.

in the aftermath a famous american missionary led his followes on a revenge killing spree, killing random farmers and looting. mark twain published a paper condemning him.

50 years before that there was the christian taiping rebellion, which tried to install a chinese christian monarchy, killing 12 million civillians. a famous event was where every single women in the city of nanjing was raped.

it was glorious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Oy3vTqvH8&feature=related

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 11:51 AM

Many don't know this, but it is 100% correct and that is indeed what happened.

In fact, Romans in about 70CE under Vespasian and his son Titus sacked Jerusalem, destroyed the second temple and dragged the holy relics and all the booty to Rome and enslaved the Jews who were taken from Jerusalem. and therein making a final blow to Judea.

Romans hated Jews. It's recorded on Titus's Arch in old Rome.

Know what they did with the money and the slaves? They built one of the greatest symbols of the roman empire with it and them. the Colliseum was built by Jews and using Jewish Treasure.

How ironic is that!?

Already in the writings of Paul, the holy day for Christains was the first day of the week.
It didn't REPLACE the sabbath for Jews that became Christians mind you, and that is where I think people get confused.

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 11:53 AM

If you want to get a clear picture of what Christianity is suppose to be, read the NT and the words of Christ.
What you don't do is listen to people that suffer horribly from a LACK of Christ in their lives.

Of course the same can be said for Muslims.

SoCo KungFu

08-10-2011, 12:28 PM

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 12:30 PM

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 12:37 PM

Christians claiming that people who do harm and claim god aren't real Xtians. Muslims claiming people that do harm while calling Allah aren't real Muslims. You're all the same and you're all pathetic. Go fix your flocks. You're all BS.

Wow, you sound like an angry fundi !
LOL !

Here is the direct teaching of Christ on people who want to do us harm:

From Matthew, Chapter 5:

Concerning Retaliation

(Lk 6:29–31)

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

(Lk 6:27–28, 32–36)

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters,o what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Quite simply if a person doesn't follow the teachings of Christ, how good a christian are they?

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 12:45 PM

Wow, you sound like an angry fundi !
LOL !

Here is the direct teaching of Christ on people who want to do us harm:

From Matthew, Chapter 5:

Concerning Retaliation

(Lk 6:29–31)

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

(Lk 6:27–28, 32–36)

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters,o what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Quite simply if a person doesn't follow the teachings of Christ, how good a christian are they?

So I'm assuming you always give money when bums ask for it. And you allow people to hit you without retaliation. And you would not lawyer up if someone wanted to sue you and take your house?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:47 PM

Typical American Xtains.....

So if I compiled I list of the insults you and Jamieson hurled at Chrisianity, I could say all martial artists share your views on Christianity and that you two speak for all martial artists?

Yeah, typical. All talk, no action.

(compare to what happens if you draw a cartoon of... I won't say who)

Thank you. Some people still cant see that difference.

You say you "wont say who". Are you referring to the guy who lived a lifestyle quite similar to Warren Jeffs and started the Muslim 'religion'? ;)

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 12:48 PM

So I'm assuming you always give money when bums ask for it. And you allow people to hit you without retaliation. And you would not lawyer up if someone wanted to sue you and take your house?

I'm a lousy Christian :D

Context of what was written bro, I don't need to explain that to you are anyone.

Point being that one can't claim to be Christian and go against the core teachings of Christ, can they?
And if they do, they are calling on people to point out the contridiction and hypocracy.
Christ advocate forgiveness and love and prayer and while we may fall short of that, the moment we ADVOCATE the opposite, we are going against what Christ taught and as such, we are NOT being Christian.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:49 PM

you keep asking for christian atrocities.

No, I'm asking for MODERN Christian atrocities.

You guys are either adding or taking out words from my posts quite often. :rolleyes:

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:51 PM

Here is the direct teaching of Christ on people who want to do us harm:

Now contrast that to the Quran passages I posted and see if you notice a difference. ;)

bawang

08-10-2011, 12:53 PM

Quite simply if a person doesn't follow the teachings of Christ, how good a christian are they?

a roman catholic

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 12:53 PM

So if I compiled I list of the insults you and Jamieson hurled at Chrisianity, I could say all martial artists share your views on Christianity and that you two speak for all martial artists? You mean like you have been doing for Muslims for the last couple of years?

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 12:54 PM

a roman catholic

BBWWAHHHHH !!!!
LOL !
Nice one.

bawang

08-10-2011, 12:54 PM

No, I'm asking for MODERN Christian atrocities.

that happened only 100 years ago, in the modern scientific age. its modern enough.

and guess what? as a god fearing christian, im fukin proud of the atrocities. thats the difference between you and me, sheep.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:54 PM

Muslims claiming people that do harm while calling Allah aren't real Muslims.

Not according to the founder of that 'religion'.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 12:54 PM

No, I'm asking for MODERN Christian atrocities.

You guys are either adding or taking out words from my posts quite often. :rolleyes:

What is your definition of 'modern'?

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:55 PM

You mean like you have been doing for Muslims for the last couple of years?

I dont use the word "all". The only times that word has been attributed to me in this thread is when people say I really meant to use it.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:56 PM

a roman catholic

LMFAO!!!

I can't argue with that one.

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 12:56 PM

One can argue that writing "god bless America" on a bomb on dropping it on people is quite the "christian" atrocity.

bawang

08-10-2011, 12:56 PM

I dont use the word "all".

I DO. thats the difference between you and me, you cowerd.

afghanistan was the center of islamic slavery, selling chinese slaves. had geoerge bush declared a war on islam, i wouldve gladly joined up the army and sacrificed my life to purge that place of anything with a towel on its head. instead, he wanted to bring "freedom" and "liberty".

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 12:58 PM

What is your definition of 'modern'?

The last 50 years or so. That sounds fair, right?

But whatever time period we agree on, I'll guarantee for every one you attribute to Chrisitians, I can find at least double (and probably 10x) that amount proudly done by Muslims.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 12:58 PM

Not according to the founder of that 'religion'.

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.

Baba Kamma 37b. If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full.

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Gittin 70a. On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: "Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave."

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 01:00 PM

My muslim friends and collegues that I have this discussions with make it clear that, at least from their POV, those passages are antiquated and no longer apply to the modern age where Islam, Judaism and Christainity co-exist in peace.
Of course not ALL feel like them, but thankfully it seems that the majority do.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 01:01 PM

So you've posted yet more verses attributed to religions you don't like. Fair enough. Now produce examples of modern day followers doing those things.

MasterKiller

08-10-2011, 01:02 PM

The last 50 years or so. That sounds fair, right. So Christians have only been living right for the last 50 years?

How about this guy?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/02-jones-jim_ji.jpg/220px-02-jones-jim_ji.jpg

The single greatest loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the events of September 11, 2001.

sanjuro_ronin

08-10-2011, 01:04 PM

So Christians have only been living right for the last 50 years?

How about this guy?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/02-jones-jim_ji.jpg/220px-02-jones-jim_ji.jpg

Now you're being generous !

Christians have much to answer for, some for what they have done and the rest for what they LET them do.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 01:07 PM

So Christians have only been living right for the last 50 years?

AGAIN, I never said that.

I figured 50 years is pretty modern. We obviously can't be ridiculous and start at the dawn of time, so I used 50 years. Plus thats about when mass media, TV, video cameras, etc for gathering/recording/reporting world news really became common. So it's easier to source as well.

bawang

08-10-2011, 01:08 PM

you are ashamed of those atrocities. i am not. this is why you will never be a real man.

BJJ-Blue

08-10-2011, 01:10 PM

How about this guy?

Again, he led a cult. No Chrisitian religion claimed him as one of their own, thats why (like Fred Phelps) he had to start his own religion/church.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 01:10 PM

So you've posted yet more verses attributed to religions you don't like. Fair enough. Now produce examples of modern day followers doing those things.

Do you mean yesterday?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Klan-in-gainesville.jpg

how about this? You wanna start with the 60s? the activities of other so called "christians" during that time?

Or do you deny that Christians took part in any of that? IN which case, who were all those Americans going to all those churches and then going to their clan meetings prior to lynchings?

Who are those people at Christ camp that teach religious intolerance and promote hatred towards Muslims in particular?

Why do we even bother with this Guy? It's like he will not open his eyes and figures tat if he's rabid enough and says it a lot it must be true.

remarkable! Laughable. all that stuff.

1bad, you ain't no christian, I"ll tell you that much. Not by a long shot regardless of what you may think you are.

you've made it pretty clear you are a happily polarized hater.

that's cool. enjoy it! :)

Reality_Check

08-10-2011, 01:23 PM

The last 50 years or so. That sounds fair, right?

But whatever time period we agree on, I'll guarantee for every one you attribute to Chrisitians, I can find at least double (and probably 10x) that amount proudly done by Muslims.

What about the actions of Charles Taylor of Liberia? Who is on trial for war crimes. A Baptist too I might add.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12392062

bawang

08-10-2011, 01:24 PM

bjj blue, theres a bunch of wiccans at the christian forums, why dont you go argue there?

http://www.christianforums.com/f998/

you can rage so many more people.

Reality_Check

08-10-2011, 01:32 PM

Of course there are also the pogroms in pre-communist Russia, where the Orthodox Christians slaughtered Jews. Granted that's outside the 50 year window.

Plus the Northern Ireland conflict. Lots of Christian (Catholic and Protestant) terrorism in that one.

And the child abuse by Catholic priests. Quite the number of atrocities committed there.

Lets not forget the Rwandan Genocide...led by the Christian Hutu.

David Jamieson

08-10-2011, 01:56 PM

Also Bosnian Serbs...

Hardwork108

08-10-2011, 04:52 PM

All these facts prove that religions were devised and designed to divide and rule man, just like politics, by the ancestors of the same people who are dividing and ruling us now!

It is up to us to wake up and help wake up fellow human beings.

Syn7

08-10-2011, 06:58 PM

No they are not. They may CLAIM to be, but show me any mainstream church that says the KKK's views are backed up by the Bible, Jesus, God, etc.

I could commit crimes and say I'm an atheist. Does that make me an atheist and show that the atheists support my crime spree?

i cant believe people can say sh1t like that with a str8 face and not have any idea why im looking at them **** eyed thinking theyre beyond retarded... come on...

both comments...

yeah, no mainstream church has ever bigged up the klan... nope, never...

you act like you have the final say as to who is a christian and who isnt...