new radical approach to this forum

[lkfmdc]

I am going to make some rather radical suggestions on how to proceed with this forum

They are going to be based upon, gasp, COMMON SENSE

1. Disagree all you want, but do so with logical lines of critical thought and provide at lease some example or evidence of your point

2. If your posts amount to "I know secrets you don't", or personal insults, or rumor, BS, Chinatown gossip, etc etc then your post should be deleted and if you continue you should be banned

3. Moderators should NOT put snide remarks in threads and shouldn't threaten members for pointing out they are not living up to their responsibilities

4. Asking someone for evidence of a bizzare claim or evidence to back up a questionable claim is NOT "trolling"

5. Asking someone for evidence of things they aren't talking about or claiming IS trolling

6. If something questionable is posted, and it is posted by someone who refuses to identify themselves in any way, and if "it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies, well THAT is a troll

Please don't delete or lock this thread

[Indrafist]

I am going to make some rather radical suggestions on how to proceed with this forum

They are going to be based upon, gasp, COMMON SENSE

1. Disagree all you want, but do so with logical lines of critical thought and provide at lease some example or evidence of your point

2. If your posts amount to "I know secrets you don't", or personal insults, or rumor, BS, Chinatown gossip, etc etc then your post should be deleted and if you continue you should be banned

3. Moderators should NOT put snide remarks in threads and shouldn't threaten members for pointing out they are not living up to their responsibilities

4. Asking someone for evidence of a bizzare claim or evidence to back up a questionable claim is NOT "trolling"

5. Asking someone for evidence of things they aren't talking about or claiming IS trolling

6. If something questionable is posted, and it is posted by someone who refuses to identify themselves in any way, and if "it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies, well THAT is a troll

Please don't delete or lock this thread

Agreed, David.

[JamesC]

Hear, Hear!

[YouKnowWho]

How about every members will need to post their "home address". This way when someone bad mouths about you, you can always go to his house, knock on his door, and beat him up.

[jdhowland]

There are quite a few on these forums who have used such "common sense" all along.

It's just that the exceptions are so exceptionable.

[lkfmdc]

How about every members will need to post their "home address". This way when someone bad mouths about you, you can always go to his house, knock on his door, and beat him up.

John, I realize this is just humor, but let's try to be serious just once

[Kansuke]

Would #2 include such things as ENDLESSLY repeating, "I know REAL kungfu and you don't!" and "I study a secret art I can't tell you about," and "Well, that's what happens when you pretend to know REAL kungfu like me but really don't" when some doofus supposedly representing this or that gets smacked or embarassed or otherwise fails to be deadlydeadly?

[lkfmdc]

There are quite a few on these forums who have used such "common sense" all along.

It's just that the exceptions are so exceptionable.

over the years there have been a LOT of great threads, lots of useful info exchanged and lots of positives. There do seem times the place is over run with trolls, or certain members have gone off the deep end, but the potential for positive is still here

[lkfmdc]

Would #2 include such things as repeating, "I know REAL kungfu and you don't!" and "I study a secret art I can't tell you about," and "Well, that's what happens when you pretend to know REAL kungfu like me but really don't" when some doofus supposedly representing this or that gets smacked or embarassed or otherwise fails to be deadlydeadly?

#2 is PRECISELY for those sorts of posts

[Kansuke]

#2 is PRECISELY for those sorts of posts



Then I am ALL for it.

[YouKnowWho]

"I know secrets you don't",

That's the one that I hate the most. Someone always believes that he knows where the water is. He can lead us to the water but he can't force us to drink, as if he is a normal human being and we are all low IQ cows.

The kind of attitude such as, "If you don't believe in Qi, not only you suck, your teacher sucks too." bother me more than anything else.

[taai gihk yahn]

I know I sound like a broken record here, BUUUUT....


1) the forum should have a stickied "newbie" thread, that new accounts are limited to posting on until they are vetted by the mod for being trolls or not;

2) newbies should be not allowed to start new threads for a set period of time / number of posts;

3) there should be an FAQ thread stickied that has all the above posted by Dave, as well as any other things that can help people to understand the community before diving in

4) there should be a "forum logistics" thread stickied on which members can comment on moderation, member's behaving like trolls, etc. - put ALL of that stuff in one thread to eliminate the various threads popping up about people leaving, hating the mod, etc.

honestly guys - I believe that this forum was seriously on the brink not too long ago; I think Gene made some good decisions, and frankly DJ made a notable contribution at that time; instead of regressing or going off the other end, let's try to use the momentum and ALL work to make this forum the sort of place people want to hang out at; if you don't like how the forum is being moderated, make constructive criticism; if you see someone is trolling / mouth-boxing, don't get into a poo-flinging fight - point it out to the mods; if you have a beef w another member, take it to PM, or if you needs must address it publicly, do so in a dignified manner;

I still believe this forum can be a great community - and it seems like, in general, people want the same things; and I think of late some significant strides in that direction have been taken...

[taai gihk yahn]

That's the one that I hate the most. Someone always believes that he knows where the water is. He can lead us to the water but he can't force us to drink, as if he is a normal human being and we are all low IQ cows.

The kind of attitude such as, "If you don't believe in Qi, not only you suck, your teacher sucks too." bother me more than anything else.

yes; I find the argument, "well, the only reason you don't believe in 'qi / internal' is because you haven't experienced it for real - because if you had been exposed to it for real, there's no way you'd have the perspective you have" so infantile and inane that it's just beyond me; it goes along with the sentiment that "so-called western science / thought will never be able to adequately talk about / describe qi / internal practice";

this is all just a load of BS; the problem is that people have some sort of "qi experience" that is outside the range of their previous experience, it blows them away, so they are then sold on it, and buy into whatever they are told by their teacher; they then extrapolate their personal subjective experience onto others, and are unwilling to be fundamentally challenged about their assumptions / experiences...

[Lebaufist]

I am going to make some rather radical suggestions on how to proceed with this forum

They are going to be based upon, gasp, COMMON SENSE

1. Disagree all you want, but do so with logical lines of critical thought and provide at lease some example or evidence of your point

2. If your posts amount to "I know secrets you don't", or personal insults, or rumor, BS, Chinatown gossip, etc etc then your post should be deleted and if you continue you should be banned

3. Moderators should NOT put snide remarks in threads and shouldn't threaten members for pointing out they are not living up to their responsibilities

4. Asking someone for evidence of a bizzare claim or evidence to back up a questionable claim is NOT "trolling"

5. Asking someone for evidence of things they aren't talking about or claiming IS trolling

6. If something questionable is posted, and it is posted by someone who refuses to identify themselves in any way, and if "it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies, well THAT is a troll

Please don't delete or lock this thread

You duth protesteth too much.

I know quite a few people that have posted here before that could have really used some mod support when people took such liberties then.

DJ, mod away. Don't change a thing. Anybody that yells bloody murder now is guilty and is whining about their lost power.

[lkfmdc]

You know, it's a safe bet John Wang has seen a lot of Chinese martial art. It's a safe bet we could come up with quite a list of people who have been around and seen tons of stuff. So when one of the basement secret ferret pai federation of wannabe's jumps up and down on one leg, you really have to go "oh please" :rolleyes:

[Lebaufist]

Except that you tend to revel in it, take it way beyond the one post that such a person merits, and become rather obsessed about letting everyone know it. .

[lkfmdc]

Except that you tend to revel in it, take it way beyond the one post that such a person merits, and become rather obsessed about letting everyone know it. .

boo hoo, are you out of tissue yet? :rolleyes:

the only people who seem bothered by my list of teachers are, well, the trolls :D

[MasterKiller]

I am General MK. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands, your possessions, your very lives, will gladly be given in tribute to me, General MK! In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words, you will be allowed to live.

[lkfmdc]

I am General MK. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands, your possessions, your very lives, will gladly be given in tribute to me, General MK! In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words, you will be allowed to live.

meh.......

[mooyingmantis]

David,

I agree with each of your points! Great post!

Unfortunately, you destroyed your credibility by the low class blow you gave to DJ in your signature. Bad form old chap! :(

[lkfmdc]

Don't worry, Jamieson knows deep down inside, in a tiny corner somewhere, I really do love him ;)

[Kansuke]

Anybody that yells bloody murder now is guilty and is whining about their lost power.



"Lost power"?

????????????????

[Kansuke]

in a tiny corner somewhere, I really do love him ;)


Oh, is that what you guys were doing in the corner?

[lkfmdc]

Kansuke, you do know the UFC is on now if you're really that bored

[Kansuke]

Kansuke, you do know the UFC is on now if you're really that bored



Shhhhh....I'm supposed to be working...

[Hardwork108]

I am going to make some rather radical suggestions on how to proceed with this forum

They are going to be based upon, gasp, COMMON SENSE

1. Disagree all you want, but do so with logical lines of critical thought and provide at lease some example or evidence of your point

2. If your posts amount to "I know secrets you don't", or personal insults, or rumor, BS, Chinatown gossip, etc etc then your post should be deleted and if you continue you should be banned

3. Moderators should NOT put snide remarks in threads and shouldn't threaten members for pointing out they are not living up to their responsibilities

4. Asking someone for evidence of a bizzare claim or evidence to back up a questionable claim is NOT "trolling"

5. Asking someone for evidence of things they aren't talking about or claiming IS trolling

6. If something questionable is posted, and it is posted by someone who refuses to identify themselves in any way, and if "it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies, well THAT is a troll

Please don't delete or lock this thread

If the forum was run like you suggest it should be run just a few years ago, you would be so BANNED yourself.

I personally think that the forum's membership should be limited to people who actually PRACTICE TCMAs?

All MMA-ists and "kung fu" tagged kickboxers such as yourself could post in suitable threads provided for none TCMA-ists.

Also, the mods should STOP having conveniently short memories when it comes to the utter misbehavior of people such as yourself, not to mention some of your "questionable" takes on various TCMA methodologies - just because you are riding on the now-in-fashion, modern MMA bandwagon.

Of course, your "questionable takes" (and I am being extremely polite and civil here) on the TCMAs can be forgiven as this is a forum and no one expects you, or anyone else to be an expert in the TCMAs, just because of the mere fact that they post here.

The kettle has to always be careful about calling the pot black! Just saying....

[Kansuke]

Alert! Alert! Activate rule #2! Activate rule #2! This is not a drill!

[lkfmdc]

The best part of threads like these are knowing the trolls won't be able to resist and will have to post

I can hear them sobbing now....

:D

[Hardwork108]

Yep, daring to suggest that people posting in a TCMA forum should actually be TCMA practioners, makes one a troll in the eyes of people who are NOT TCMA-ists...:rolleyes:

You couldn't make up this stuff...LOL!


PS 1. By the way, have you "broken" your ignore button again? :rolleyes:

PS, 2. Having the likes of Kansuke on your side, does not do your already frail TCMA credibility any good. "Just saying......"

[lkfmdc]

He must be frothing at the mouth by now :D

This is what you need to think about anytime you see him posting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqqDVl0p7A

[YouKnowWho]

Yep, dare to suggest that people posting in a TCMA forum should actually be TCMA practioners, ....."

I think so. I have repeated so many times that when I was in the Judo forum, after someone said the following, I put my tail between my legs, ran like hell, and never looked back. My face skin is just not thick enough.

"You are not even a Judoka, Nobody care about your opinon. Why are you still hanging around here?"

[Kansuke]

Where oh where is rule #2 when we need it, like RIGHT NOW?

[lkfmdc]

Well, considering I am the adopted baai si disciple of a Chinese kung fu sifu the Chinese government called a "living national treasure", spent 16 years with him and learned more kung fu that the troll could ever dream about, it's sort of irrelevant isn't it :D

(and that is precisely why they go screaming into the night in response to my posts)

[Lee Chiang Po]

I am going to make some rather radical suggestions on how to proceed with this forum

They are going to be based upon, gasp, COMMON SENSE

1. Disagree all you want, but do so with logical lines of critical thought and provide at lease some example or evidence of your point

2. If your posts amount to "I know secrets you don't", or personal insults, or rumor, BS, Chinatown gossip, etc etc then your post should be deleted and if you continue you should be banned

3. Moderators should NOT put snide remarks in threads and shouldn't threaten members for pointing out they are not living up to their responsibilities

4. Asking someone for evidence of a bizzare claim or evidence to back up a questionable claim is NOT "trolling"

5. Asking someone for evidence of things they aren't talking about or claiming IS trolling

6. If something questionable is posted, and it is posted by someone who refuses to identify themselves in any way, and if "it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies, well THAT is a troll

Please don't delete or lock this thread

Common sense?? Now just where do we find some of that? Not on this forum I suspect. What I would love to see is instant banning for anyone on a kung fu forum to utter the words, Muey Thai, boxing, wrestling, Bjj, MMA. They have their own forum to howl in. I don't go to the MMA forum and snipe at them.

[Kansuke]

What I would love to see is instant banning for anyone on a kung fu forum to utter the words, Muey Thai, boxing, wrestling, Bjj, MMA.


Do you really think that would be practical, useful, or productive?

[lkfmdc]

What I would love to see is instant banning for anyone on a kung fu forum to utter the words, Muey Thai, boxing, wrestling, Bjj, MMA.



It's MuAy thai
go ahead and see if they ban me for that LOL :p

Really, if you feel so threatened by those arts, maybe you should stay off the internet

http://uniquespecialists.com/forums/images/smilies/internetseriousbusinessr.jpg

[lkfmdc]

That post also instantly reminded me of the 7 words you can't say on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Nrp7cj_tM

:D

[Hardwork108]

I think so. I have repeated so many times that when I was in the Judo forum, after someone said the following, I put my tail between my legs, ran like hell, and never looked back. My face skin is just not thick enough.

"You are not even a Judoka, Nobody care about your opinon. Why are you still hanging around here?"

I am sure that your contributions in the Judoka forum were much more constructive and useful than a lot of the stuff we here from former "kung fu disciples" infesting this forum.

Anyone who has seen your posts will by now know that you are serious martial artist with balanced opinions. I believe that your presence in the Judo forum would have made great contributions to the knowledge and the general combat out look of the Judo practitioners posting there. Your departure was their loss, in my humble opinion.

On the other hand, we the TCMA-ists in this forum keep hearing the same, "there is no grappling in TCMA"; "there is no sparring in TCMA"; "TCMA techniques that we the MMA-ists cannot make work, are no good"; "We need to mention BJJ in every TCMA thread"; "TCMA forms are fantasy training". "Iron Palm training does not work or is useless"...etc, etc.

When an actual TCMA practitioner challenges these clueless remarks, he is called a troll and then informed that the modern MMA-ists say these things because they have actually "trained" kung fu under Great Grand Master XYZ. Of course, while they were "training" a given style of "kung fu", they also managed to find time to train in BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo, Western Boxing, MMA, Grego Roman wrestling and of course, Tae Kwon Do, and for sure they are also experts in all of them....lol

Yep, got to take this forum with a pinch of salt sometimes. :)

[lkfmdc]

like I said, I can just see him posting now

http://www.tooconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/this-is-an-outrage.jpg

[Hardwork108]

Well, considering I am the adopted baai si disciple of a Chinese kung fu sifu the Chinese government called a "living national treasure", spent 16 years with him and learned more kung fu that the troll could ever dream about, it's sort of irrelevant isn't it :D
The world is full of "kung fu" disciples. The fact is that the proof is in the pudding, and the pudding in this case demonstrates that with all your "kung fu" history, you are nothing but kickboxing coach. Case closed.


(and that is precisely why they go screaming into the night in response to my posts)
We only scream because we are tired of glorified kickboxers in this forum that do nothing but put down methodologies that thousands of people for generations have managed to use in combat, just because they, the kickboxers in question, would not be able to use if their lives depended on it - mainly because they have never really studied the TCMAs, beyond some superficial dabbling, or even perhaps it was not for them to start with.

Furthermore, the few people who may be the genuinely the jealous types will only feel that way if they see substance. Where is your substance, kung fu substance, that is?

[lkfmdc]

let's all remember that whenever he posts, there is this disclaimer

http://ipstenu.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/crazy2.jpg

[Kansuke]

Shockingly, I just noticed a 'real' (not really) non-kickboxing, deeply insightful, inner door, youwouldntunderstand, genuine because he says so KUNGFU MASTER posting in the MMA section. Goodness, shouldn't such scandalous behavior be prohibited?

Oddly enough, no one there has yet told him to scram because he doesn't have 'the REAL MMA' or some such nonsense.

How about that...

[Hardwork108]

let's all remember that whenever he posts, there is this disclaimer

http://ipstenu.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/crazy2.jpg

Don't be so hard on Kansuke. He really likes and admires your kickboxing coaching techniques. So, be happy with that. ;)

[Kansuke]

Don't be so hard on Kansuke. He really likes and admires your kickboxing coaching techniques. So, be happy with that. ;)


Hmmm...I thought our moderator overlord didn't like 'personal attacks.' This is the second post on this thread wherein I am specifically named during a personal attack. How can this be?

[David Jamieson]

This does go on...doesn't it. lol
:)

I'm all for intelligent discourse and to that end I agree.
Even to the end of mma training pursues the development of this attribute by following "x" regimen.

And further on to discovery for how that is developed as an attribute across other arts etc etc.

For me, Kung Fu exists in a man who exudes it regardless of his chosen enthusiasm for his pursuit.

I would wish this upon all of you.

[lkfmdc]

More evidence that Jamieson is highly selective in his "moderating" :rolleyes:

Seriously, compare what you CLAIM and what you've DONE... if "hardwork"'s posts are off topic, disruptive and insulting then nothing on here is :rolleyes:

You told "water quan" not to consistently stalk Dale Dugas but have no warning for "hardwork" ?

[David Jamieson]

More evidence that Jamieson is highly selective in his "moderating" :rolleyes:

Seriously, compare what you CLAIM and what you've DONE... if "hardwork"'s posts are off topic, disruptive and insulting then nothing on here is :rolleyes:

@Dave, I'm as against that as you are. But get serious, If I get a solid 5 hours to wok on this forum, were' gonna see a lot of deletions and so on.

@ HW108 Be more open and less ready to release the acid.

If every body can try to breeze over what they dislike and suck up what they do, we'll all be better off. :)

I'm asking that it doesn't become more work than necessary and with all the outcry, I'm going to be somewhat more lenient in my approach. So, fight your battles here intelligently.

degradation type stuff will be wiped as I get to it.

[lkfmdc]

To me, his ranting and raving is a cut and dry, black and white case of what is wrong here.

I realize you aren't here all the time, but when you do "pop in" it isn't hard to see what's up is it?

No one mentioned him at all here, no one attacked him and yet he began his ranting (again) - he's been banned once before, what does that tell you?

[Kansuke]

I personally have been psychologically scarred by being singled out by name not once but twice in this thread alone for direct and hurtful personal attack. Who will protect me from such ravages when the rules are applied to some but not to others?

On a related note, I strongly urge that rule #2 as outlined at the beginning of this thread be adoped at once.

[lkfmdc]

Kansuke,
take comfort in knowing that at least the person you called "teacher" didn't out you on the internet, publishing a letter saying you were a clown and denouncing every claim you've ever made

Hardwork's sifu, Andria Pivcevic, did just that. On Bullshido students of Andria Pivocevic, confirmed "hardwork" studied LESS THAN TWO YEARS WITH THEM and then was asked to leave (or "got kicked out") for his ridiculous behavior... they called him a weirdo... who would have thunk it :rolleyes: :D

edit:
Our own moderator "sanjuro" confirmed this
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=919923&postcount=279



He (hardwork) made bogus claims on bullshido and as an admin there ( at the time) I and some others investigated them and found some to be false and others to be dubious and the rest exagerrations.
I was contacted by a couple of his supposed Sifu's students and was told their view on the matter.

[Kansuke]

Wow, you're right, that would be humiliating. A man with any pride would probably feel the need to keep to himself (or at least not be a mouthy nutjob) after something like that.

[shaolin_allan]

Ive noticed the people here with the loudest barks so to speak usually never list their location or even what style they do yet they're the first people to critique everything they see on the forum as well as add useless banter or attacks on others for giving their input on a thread. If you're really that knowledgeable on kung fu wouldn't you be proud enough to list the kung fu styles and possibly even school where you practice? or do they just not want to get found out they have no real training.

[lkfmdc]

If you're really that knowledgeable on kung fu wouldn't you be proud enough to list the kung fu styles and possibly even school where you practice?


well, since "hardwork" only studied two years and got kicked out for being a clown, he can't come right out and announce what he studied. He tried very hard to cover up that info, but of course we found it anyway lol :D

[Hardwork108]

Kansuke,
take comfort in knowing that at least the person you called "teacher" didn't out you on the internet, publishing a letter saying you were a clown and denouncing every claim you've ever made

Hardwork's sifu, Andria Pivcevic, did just that. On Bullshido students of Andria Pivocevic, confirmed "hardwork" studied LESS THAN TWO YEARS WITH THEM and then was asked to leave (or "got kicked out") for his ridiculous behavior... they called him a weirdo... who would have thunk it :rolleyes: :D

edit:
Our own moderator "sanjuro" confirmed this
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=919923&postcount=279

Here we go again with the usual Dave Ross lies:

:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

Ive noticed the people here with the loudest barks so to speak usually never list their location or even what style they do yet they're the first people to critique everything they see on the forum as well as add useless banter or attacks on others for giving their input on a thread. If you're really that knowledgeable on kung fu wouldn't you be proud enough to list the kung fu styles and possibly even school where you practice? or do they just not want to get found out they have no real training.
My styles are listed in my profile. Unfortunately for the likes of Dave Ross, I don't, and never have practiced kickboxing, and he can't forgive for that :D

[Hardwork108]

@Dave, I'm as against that as you are. But get serious, If I get a solid 5 hours to wok on this forum, were' gonna see a lot of deletions and so on.

@ HW108 Be more open and less ready to release the acid.

If every body can try to breeze over what they dislike and suck up what they do, we'll all be better off. :)

I'm asking that it doesn't become more work than necessary and with all the outcry, I'm going to be somewhat more lenient in my approach. So, fight your battles here intelligently.

degradation type stuff will be wiped as I get to it.

David Jamieson, in my first post in this thread I gave an honest opinion on what I saw as an (the thread starter's) hypocritical post - I am sure that you appreciate where my point of view is coming from. As it happens, I was right because Dave Ross has gone on to repeat the same lies he did about 5 years ago about me "hardwork" - apparently my real name :rolleyes: - being kicked out of my school.

Again we are being told that my experience in kung fu amounts to 2 years, just like it did 7 years ago....I wonder if people skilled in basic maths are being turned away from kickboxing schools nowadays? LOL

What is missing now is for Dave to quote and edit my posts to make me look racist and anti semetic, which he also did about 5 or 6 years ago and I believe you were around to see for yourself.

And now he is posting from a moral high ground wanting better forum regulations??? LOL!

I tell you, you couldn't invent this stuff......LOL!

Yes, my sifu said "xyz" as regards "Hardwork".....after all that is my real name...LOL

To conclude, if you go back to my first post in this thread, then you will see that everything else that followed had more to do with Dave Ross's insecurity as a man, then any so called "insults". :)

[Kansuke]

David Jamieson, in my first post in this thread I gave an honest opinion on what I saw as an (the thread starter's) hypocritical post - I am sure that you appreciate where my point of view is coming from.


Gosh Mrs. Cleaver, you sure look lovely today!

[Water-quan]

Look, here's the deal:

A: I'm a formula one level racing driver.

B: Really? Do you have a championship or something? Or a video of you doing a lap in an F1 car?

A: Do you?

B: Er - well, no.

A: Douche. What's your name and address?

Apply to martial arts.

[Hardwork108]

Look, here's the deal:

A: I'm a formula one level racing driver.

B: Really? Do you have a championship or something? Or a video of you doing a lap in an F1 car?

A: Do you?

B: Er - well, no.

A: Douche. What's your name and address?

Apply to martial arts.

Formula racing is a media event with plenty of "media" proof. Martial arts training is a more personal affair. There are good fighters out there who do not have Youtube videos of themselves. Some of these fighers are not even martial artists.

I believe that you picked the wrong example.

This is a TCMA forum. When discussing TCMA training methodologies, including concepts and principles, one's knowledge should come from his posts, not from Youtube videos. Of course, there are exceptions, including techniques demonstrations and "fighting", in some cases.

However, it is not logical to expect people to have video proof given the sometimes distinct TCMA methodologies, in a forum largely populated by glorified kickboxers, who will not understand them even if their lives depended on it.

How are these people going to judge a video showing complicated TCMA concepts, when they are usually only impressed by watching videos of muscle bound knuckleheads giving each other brain damage?

How are they going to discuss intricate TCMA methodologies when they have no point of reference, except for the usual "I trained with great, great, grand master X, and that makes me qualified to bad mouth the TCMAs in favor of BJJ and kickboxing.

I am not even saying that some MMA posters here have not trained under Grand Masters. I mean even Grand Masters need a laugh once in awhile, and of course, a given Kung fu Grand Master will teach anywhere between a few hundred to thousands of student, during his lifetime.

I am sure that you know as well as I do that the overall majority of these Grand Masters' students end up as kung fu nobodies, most of whom do not go on to post in forums such as this one, but as you can see, there are the kung fu nobodies who do post, as in this very thread.

They can post under their real names and addresses and even give the address of their grandmothers, but the fact remains that they are totally CLUELESS. Of course, some are more clever than others and do not directly engage in discussions regarding the more distinct TCMA methodologies, because in no time their cluelessness will be exposed. These characters usually make snide remarks and engage in general debates - yes, and we hear for the millionth time that kickboxing sparring is good to develop fighting ability, well duh!

Forgetting our friend Ross for a minute. The other kung fu nobodies, are not so clever and they will engage directly in discussions about subjects that they have no clue about - eg. Chi- Sao, internal body unity concepts, Iron Skills, forms training, etc. Of course, even these people get away with their cluelessness, because the majority of posters here do not really practice the TCMAs either.

The situation in the kung fu world is very delicate, if you ask me......;)

[Kansuke]

Enact rule #2!