Four Attacks

[Mulong]

The video below highlights what I feel is a good example of CMA; the exponent/fighter in black and white uniform demonstrates how a CMA stylist can use the theory of “four attacks” very formidably, especially the use of seizing and throwing.
http://www.youtube.com/user/XXKOU110XX#p/u/9/vdHoCspkphI

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

He fights like the Wenseng guys do.

I wonder how he'd do in the MMA ring?

[Mulong]

It will be interesting; his seizing skill will be greatly diminished or nonexistent on a standup situation; however, he is definitely solid/strong and can take some punishment.

[MasterKiller]

Fake. You might as well ask how The Rock would do in a San Shou fight.

[Mulong]

If I may ask, why is it fake?

Indeed, it is an exhibition fight, but the fighter does possess some intricate understanding of fighting mechanics and he shows intent which can be translate back into the ring with no problem...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Actually, my thought was more along the lines that his opponent was seriously, seriously outclassed. Like pitting an amateur, against a seasoned competitor.

[bawang]

its staged

[Mulong]

True, but at the end I still must give him credit, because he is still using the theories of four attacks, i.e., striking, kicking, seizing, and throwing; isn’t that what we are striving for?

Also, he’s techniques/style comply with Chinese theories; he isn’t using straight forward kickboxing, etc. Again aren’t we striving for that? :confused:

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Or the one guy just does forms....

[Mulong]

Okay, it is staged then, but he was still good…

I realized we are striving for a flow of the four attacks and this was the closet example I could find at the moment, and it simply gets shot down; therefore, can someone show me someone actually using the four attacks in any competitive arena?:confused:

[Mulong]

Sadly, the Chen stylist illustrates fajin in the opening, but has never truly taken that gong into a sparring match.

[bawang]

pick a random mma fight and i will tell you the kung fu moves one by one

i dare you

[Mulong]

Thanks for the chuckle, because I can do that too… ;)

[bawang]

cowerd. hes scares

afriad of real men. afriad of FIGHT

[Mulong]

Can we be constructive a bit; indeed, this so-called staged; however, the performer/fighter was illustrating notions that do exist within Chinese martial arts and can actually work. However, I personally feel the seizing aspect was bit stretch out, because it real-time that wouldn’t be feasible at all. :)

[bawang]

you asked me to show you examples of four attacks.

pick a random ufc video and i will tell you one by one the four attacks.

[Mulong]

However, they aren’t using CMA theories. Honestly, the objective of this thread was to find a common ground where so-called Chinese stylist can discusses constructively how CMA can be used in the ring.

Irony here is that I’m in favor of MMA, and most of all tactic fighting; however, my objective is to see if we can build bridges for CMA stylist to walk away from the notions Kwai Chang Caine into a more realistic venue.

[bawang]

pick a random ufc video and i will one by one tell you the cma theories. what are you afraid of? you are scare?

[Mulong]

Do me the favor; you pick it and break it down piece by piece?

[Lucas]

I will pick hold on

[bawang]

if i pick it wouldnt be fair.


I will pick hold on

you are a man of honor. testicle slap.

[Mulong]

It is easy to point flaws then lead by example…

[Lucas]

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9P5zbWT72M

[Mulong]

In MMA, you have individuals/fighters like Georges-St-Pierre, Lyoto Machida, etc. who do use the four attacks well within the octagon; however, I’m looking for a bridge were CMA stylist can move forward from the myth and utilize principles from their respected stylist then use standard kickboxing/grappling fighting notions.

Tell me, am I asking for to much?

[bawang]

this is too easy.

red shorts use beat the drum (qigu chui) and white shorts use high flat stance (gao siping) . red tests with scout fist (tan ma chui) then a high kick (jianmu xuanfeng). white shorts immediately seals his legs with high clinch stance (jinlan siping). then riding tiger throw. (kuahudie). he submits using holding the moon.

[YouKnowWho]

using the theories of four attacks, i.e., striking, kicking, seizing, and throwing;

this short clip can show those 4 very clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVGBLUSHf8

[bawang]

this short clip can show those 4 very clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVGBLUSHf8

tiger hug, rooster stands up, bull crush man. smooth.



http://www.youtube.com/user/XXKOU110XX#p/u/9/vdHoCspkphI

i have no idea what the fuk those fools are doing

[Mulong]

Thanks Lucas; however, he simply was another MMA fighter. That is why Lyoto Machida, stood out in UFC, because you can obvious see that he came from a strong karate background.

Maybe I’m being idealistic, but we may never have someone like Paul Vizzio was to professional kickboxing within MMA arena.

[Mulong]

Tell me Bawang are you also well verse in tactical fighting as you are in MMA?

[bawang]

i dont train mma.

[Mulong]

I see, you are neijia player then?

[bawang]

player? you think this is a game?

[Mulong]

Honestly, you are funny, because I'm no player... Oops, you were referring to youself, my bad.

[bawang]

too bad, because im a player.

[Mulong]

Cool... At least you are honest. :)

[Lucas]

here watch this fight that a forum poster made in the mma section, wiz cool c

its a good fight, start at like 82 minutes or so

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61236

[Ray Pina]

Hard to judge black's skill because red is so bad.

[Mulong]

Chen stylist seems to be use to light-contact sparring, whereas the other is more solid.

[Lucas]

did you guys watch that vid in the link wizcoolc posted of Yao Hung Gong?

[Mulong]

I did Lucas, pardon me for not responding on it, but I wasn’t impressed. It was generic MMA for me. (Or did I miss something?)

[Lucas]

there were a lot of fights on that reel so just to know did you watch the championship fight with yao vs jo it went 3 rounds to decision? but i dont see how it can be generic mma when the guy spent his whole life training shuai jiao and then sanda and competed in mma with it. that is the whole point, he did not train mma, he used his cma game to fight in mma. there is no denying it because that is his training.

my point being is that fight i think is actually a prime example of someone using cma as a mma, you have to modify your game to meet the rules, and perhaps it is a conforming to a rule set that is seen. its the subtleties that will generally set fighters apart, in addition to your opponent is going to highly dictate what you are going to be able to employ, often times restricting what your fight will 'look' like.

when it comes down to it though, imo, full contact wrestling is going to look the same across the board no matter what 'style' you trained, mainly because wrestling is often 'the road of least resistance' in such that the higher developments of wrestling technique is based on the human structure and its limitations. so eventually it all 'sifts' to the top/bottom.

idk maybe thats just my take.

[Mulong]

Lucas, you are on the money! (Refreshing) I came to realization ages ago… :)