What TCMA skills/techniques can we just do away with?

[MasterKiller]

What have you completely thrown out of your catalog?

[MightyB]

honestly - Lion Dancing.

[xcakid]

Any technique done in contemporary wushu. Anything to do with hitting pressure points or dim mak. Any technique claiming to stop the heart, cause internal bleeding or shatter bone into a million pieces.

[IronFist]

Techniques we can do away with:

The techniques that leave the arm extended after a punch.

5-hit combos that you perform on your opponent while is arm his extended after a punch.

[RWilson]

I have personally done away with using any form of striking stationary stakes like they do in ba gua or like when Jet Li was hitting all those balls away doing tai chi. I have done away with using any form of wooden dummy because practicing your footwork on something stationary is pointless when your opponents move around.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I have personally done away with using any form of striking stationary stakes like they do in ba gua or like when Jet Li was hitting all those balls away doing tai chi. I have done away with using any form of wooden dummy because practicing your footwork on something stationary is pointless when your opponents move around.

Well, hitting a stationary object like a makiwara or a post like they do in baji, has more to do with "forging" than "footwork".

[hskwarrior]

honestly - Lion Dancing.

why did you give up lion dancing?

[RWilson]

Well, hitting a stationary object like a makiwara or a post like they do in baji, has more to do with "forging" than "footwork".

Very true. I was talking about from a footwork point of view and not a conditioning one.

I was told once that you strike a bunch of posts and keep moving because this symbolizes fighting multiple opponents. This is the kind of stuff I get rid of in my training. If you say it makes your hands harder fine but do not say this will prepare you in case of a massive jailbreak.

[doug maverick]

What have you completely thrown out of your catalog?

anything where the hand goes to far above the head and jumps...i practice xing yi, and in the dragon movement there is a jump...i got rid of it..

[sanjuro_ronin]

Very true. I was talking about from a footwork point of view and not a conditioning one.

I was told once that you strike a bunch of posts and keep moving because this symbolizes fighting multiple opponents. This is the kind of stuff I get rid of in my training. If you say it makes your hands harder fine but do not say this will prepare you in case of a massive jailbreak.

Ah, thank you, understood.

[brothernumber9]

There is a technique I was taught, a circular scissors like block followed with an upward swing under the armpit, kinda like chyun pow, but instead of uppper cut at the end was more of an upward swinging forearm/longarm, that, for one application, was intended to disrupt/dislocate another person's shoulder. It seems like it could never work to me, at least with any practical efficiency. Although I practice the movement in form, I have more or less thrown that out of anything I want to draw from.

[Lucas]

Masterkiller loves butterfly palms!

[MightyB]

why did you give up lion dancing?

haven't - I find it fun, so I do it when I can. I'm one of the few that do MA to have fun. But, if you're looking for something to cut out for a pure MA experience... it'd probably be Lion Dancing.

[Pork Chop]

honestly - Lion Dancing.

we got more real fight experience from lion dancing downtown on chinese new years against other schools than we got all year at cr@ppy tournaments

[TenTigers]

I think I can live without the butterfly kick.

[MightyB]

I think I can live without the butterfly kick.

Amen brother.

[SimonM]

Spear hands.

[SPJ]

every style/school has there core or basic moves.

keep drilling them daily.

never ever have to worry about "advanced" stuff.

stick with your basic. that is.

:)

[doug maverick]

Masterkiller loves butterfly palms!

dont knock the butterfly palms ive actually used it in a fight its all about application.

[Lucas]

Spear hands.

agree :eek:

[Lucas]

dont knock the butterfly palms ive actually used it in a fight its all about application.

just a dig at MK cuz i know he doesnt like them lol ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Spear hands.

That is because you have weak fingers, like woman !!
You are not real man like Shinjo-sensei !!

[Lucas]

That is because you have weak fingers, like woman !!
You are not real man like Shinjo-sensei !!

:eek:

no fair, whats wrong with lady finger?

i admit i dont have iron hands :(

[hskwarrior]

we got more real fight experience from lion dancing downtown on chinese new years against other schools than we got all year at cr@ppy tournaments

Thats one subject really not touched here on the forum. Lion Dancing does indeed contribute things like mobile footwork and even combat if you know how to look at it right. but, out here in the SF bay area, the lion heads would be equipped with butterfly knives and if a lion fight took place, out came the butterfly swords.

[SPJ]

If you are internal, posturing is everything. lots of standing in posture.

If you are external, moving fast and faster is more important.

spend your time the way you want

for me lots of posturing

and lots of moving steps, too.

basic moves are your backbones, tactics and strategy are your meat or muscle.

can not do away with one without the other.

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[SimonM]

That is because you have weak fingers, like woman !!
You are not real man like Shinjo-sensei !!

LOL, I don't care how strong your fingers are, a good punch will be more effective than a good poke. :D

[Pork Chop]

LOL, I don't care how strong your fingers are, a good punch will be more effective than a good poke. :D

that's what she said...

[MightyB]

Amen brother.

It's not that I have anything against the butterfly kick other than I'm a big pu$s and can't pull it off correctly. Other than that - it's pretty cool.

[JamesC]

Hmmm... Probably gonna get flamed for this, but...

Uppercuts. Since I frequently do a lot of bareknuckle fighting, I find these just a little too risky. I've hurt my hands a number of times doing them. I substitute them with a shovel hook. Better angle for me. It probably has something to do with my long forearms.

I use them when I have gloves on though.

[Lucas]

Burn him!!!!

[JamesC]

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[Lucas]

If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.

[Ben Gash]

butterfly kick in MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9M5_HACok&feature=player_embedded

[Lebaufist]

That was more of a cart wheel.

[Vash]

That is because you have weak fingers, like woman !!
You are not real man like Shinjo-sensei !!

I'm going to agree to the Sanjuro quote.

I've got a few conditioning exercises I use, included one LKFMDC posted a few years ago involving fishing weights.

In the past year, I've been in the position where I had to use a spear hand because, simply put, I do not have the striking power, nor did I then, to put the guy trying to do me harm down.

Was outweighed by ~80 pounds, aggressor was solid muscle, about three or four inches taller than me.

Spear hand let me make distance, change his level, then get the f*ck out of dodge before he got his feet back under him.

Was combination of the conditioning, my aim, and dumb luck that he leaned into it.

Come to think of it, all the self defense situations I've been in have involved open hand stuff - maybe we should drop fists?

[Eric Olson]

honestly - Lion Dancing.

I second that.

EO

[Jimbo]

Years ago, I did away with the low spinning leg sweep (sao tang tuei) because, although I could do it, I never had the confidence to try it again after I saw a classmate in Taiwan attempt it in sparring, and the other guy jumped up to avoid it and accidentally landed on his extended knee.

[SPJ]

Every thing is in context.

1 San shou: you drill a few moves that work for you and drop the rest. Without breaking the rules that is.

2 street: use common sense and weapon. Call 911 and run and cover. No need to duke it out.

3 basic basic and basic. You may not drop that. They are your bread and butter.

4 standing in postures. Do them at your leisure. Drop some time in them is al rite.

What to keep and what to drop?

The basic and as need to use basis.

[David Jamieson]

Haven't gotten rid of anything really. Just don't do some stuff so much any more.
I can still Lion Dance, but I don't for example, but if someone wanted to know what it was how to do it what it means etc, I still have it.

Out of the martial arts itself. Nothing. I still have pretty much everything I learned although I don't use a lot of it. If I see a need to pull it out for some reason, I always can.

Quite frankly, there just aren't a lot of people who know much traditional kung fu and they get less and less every year.

So, I'm not throwing anything away. lol

[Lee Chiang Po]

I never did learn anything that was throw away. Nothing that was not absolutely useful. I do Hung Fa Wing Chun and Japanese Jiujitsu, which contains very little stuff that should be dispensed with. Both are systems that can be learned effectively and will remain with you all your life. Most of this other silly stuff will outlast you. In other words, you get old and can't do it any more. Then it is worthless again. Learn something that doesn't take a million forms and half a million years to learn. Something you don't have to torture and cripple your body in order to perform for so short a time.
When I was a young person, we had a series of posts in the back yard. We had a tire business and ended up with a lot of small tires. We dropped the tires over the posts and on tires that were about chest high we ran round wooden dowels through to give them arms like the Jong. We would use these for footwork training as well as fighting multiple assailants. Slipping about amongst these posts in order to develop the footwork and at the same time we were able to apply a lot of kick and punch techniques.
There is a great advantage to having to fight several men in a dark alley as they have to be careful who they hit but you don't.

[David Jamieson]

several men in a dark alley you say?

what the heck are you doing in an alley with several men who want to fight?

:p

[MightyB]

several men in a dark alley you say?

what the heck are you doing in an alley with several men who want to fight?

:p

They weren't fighting!!! :eek::eek:
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[Northwind]

Do I practice things much less often than others? Yes. Do I emphasize certain things to my students more than others? Yes. Are there even moves I teach my students in forms that I really don't use or like? Yes.

What TCMA skills/techniques am I personally doing away with? None.

[RenDaHai]

I don't get rid of anything.

Just because I'm not good enough to use a certain technique, doesn't mean that my students won't be good enough.

[PalmStriker]

butterfly kick in MMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9M5_HACok&feature=player_embedded
Great Match!

[Lee Chiang Po]

several men in a dark alley you say?

what the heck are you doing in an alley with several men who want to fight?

:p

I try not to make a habit of entering dark places at night, but sometimes fate will entervene. When I was a young man, my slightly older brother Yim and I were out one night collecting rent money for our father and it was early night yet. We knew the area very well, and would cross into alleys to short cut to the next house or building. One night a group of men were waiting for us in a very dark place. As we approached they stepped out of the dark and demanded the sack I was carrying. I refused and they got loud and were moving toward us. We were standing at the back entrance to a small pool parlor and there was a very small light bulb burning by the back door. Yim told me to run, then slapped the light and knocked it out. It got super dark in there. Yim just moved to one side and I ran for the end of the alley. A few minutes he showed up laughing and said 2 of them had stabbed the other and might have killed him. He lived, but he almost died, and the other 2 ended up going to jail. The owner of the pool parlor came to see what the noise was and held them till the cops came.

[Lee Chiang Po]

You know, when you stop and think about it, I really don't think you can just throw any of it away. If you have trained it for a time it will become a small part of you at the least and it can just come to you again when it is called for. Didn't explain myself well there, but if you train well and do things without actually planning or thinking about it, you just don't toss it away that easily.