Found the fighting Kung FU video for you

[Ray Pina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS9XIgiPBws&feature=player_embedded

It's San Da, but they're wearing Shaolin pants. I suggested we use this as evidence anytime TCMA's credentials are questioned.

Save it to Favorites.

[MasterKiller]

Amazing how it looks like everyone else's fighting.

[bawang]

when i do forms, i make them look like kickboxing. problem solved.

[MasterKiller]

when i do forms, i make them look like kickboxing. problem solved.

Quote of the year!

[David Jamieson]

Good for the Hungarians for keeping it real.
Also, Russians. :)

[hskwarrior]

Thats not gonna be saved to my favorites. :eek:

[Dragonzbane76]

Actually a pretty good vid. They are actually fighting.

[David Jamieson]

Thats not gonna be saved to my favorites. :eek:

yeah, sure it isn't. lol :p

[hskwarrior]

Shhh.....:cool: if i did save it it wasn't because Mr. Pina said to. LMAO.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrdy2KyqPYo


Here's another video I found while searching, I think this was in Liverpool. Shame that we can't have this type of tournament fighting in the States instead of crappy point fighting. Also, got to love the stupid comments saying, "Where is the Hung Gar, I just see kickboxing":rolleyes:. Sound familiar.:D

[sanjuro_ronin]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??

[Lucas]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

[bawang]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkQo4QTnHQ

[BakShaolinEC]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFmWipioeg

[wenshu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLvqA22izys&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JamUU1nk7g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3e_9h3JHfI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WL5wK-g4M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8r2C5EvEc0

When your only perspective of gong fu is western *******izations of marginal southern styles then you deserve to get right grafted like some bloody Yank buying London Bridge.

[Wayfaring]

when i do forms, i make them look like kickboxing. problem solved.

when i do forms, i wear magic shaolin pants like in the video. this allows me to maintain the connection to the ancestors of the one true source of martial art skill.

it's the magic pants i tell you. if you don't believe me look what it did for shinya aoiki:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsIn-9bPDEQ

[Lebaufist]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??This continues to be a giant fallacy. A form is an idealized expression of a technique/movement. Thats all. You would no more "do a form when fighting" than you would order a sandwich in prose or haiku.

If you want to see "the kung fu" look at the footwork, the choice of entry, positioning, strategy. Did he actually block something without using his face? Not just whether or not it looks like a movie. People who are expecting to see choice stances held for pictures after a strike are completely deluded.

[sanjuro_ronin]

This continues to be a giant fallacy. A form is an idealized expression of a technique/movement. Thats all. You would no more "do a form when fighting" than you would order a sandwich in prose or haiku.

If you want to see "the kung fu" look at the footwork, the choice of entry, positioning, strategy. Did he actually block something without using his face? Not just whether or not it looks like a movie. People who are expecting to see choice stances held for pictures after a strike are completely deluded.

If there is no "kung fu fighting" then how can one say "that's not kung fu, that's kickboxing"?

[Lebaufist]

I didn't say there was no kung fu fighting. I'm saying people don't know it when they see it. They've been in compliant technique land too long.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I didn't say there was no kung fu fighting. I'm saying people don't know it when they see it. They've been in compliant technique land too long.

Which means there are videos of authentic kung fu fighting?
We just have to know what to look for, right?

[Lebaufist]

For me, you just saw them. Magic pants guy did fine. Had solid footing and good defense/offense. What more do you want, tassels?

http://www.dianescreativebookmarks.com/bookmarktassels%5B1%5D.jpg

In addition, those that say so and so kung fu is "kickboxing" obviously knows little...

....about kickboxing.

Magic pants was not following kickboxing stratagem.

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=Lebaufist;1134932]For me, you just saw them. Magic pants guy did fine. Had solid footing and good defense/offense. What more do you want, tassels?


The issue is, what made THAT "kung fu"?

And tassels would have just made awesome even more awesome.

[Lebaufist]

Kung fu doesn't fight anyone, people fight. Using what they conditioned themselves to do.

If he has a solid footing and delivers a blow to an opening either created or found, What else would one need to see? If he uses a defense other than "turtle and brace for impact" you might actually have a kung fu fighter on your hands instead of a Pure Kickboxer®™© .

[hskwarrior]

Kung fu doesn't fight anyone, people fight. Using what they conditioned themselves to do.

that seems to be the most AVOIDED notion throughout this whole forum. I agree.

[Lebaufist]

A better question is why are so called kung fu people looking for such over complexity in a fight?

If I avoid a strike and do a simple punch to the face and end it there, how is that NOT to my kung fu training's credit?

[Iron_Eagle_76]

This is a video of me working the bag working exclusively on Kung Fu techniques:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37Pj5MGxrw

This is a video of me working the bag doing exclusively Kickboxing techniques:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y37Pj5MGxrw

Please note the major differences so that we can move past this Kung Fu/Kickboxing mumbo jumbo and talk about something really important, like True2form.:p

[Lebaufist]

LoL!!!!!..............

[hskwarrior]

A better question is why are so called kung fu people looking for such over complexity in a fight?

Its because they don't fight. The ones that don't fight don't realize that the way we use techniques in actual fighting is far different than what we do in forms. many people are too robotic and rely on the system working for them without them actually making it work. if you train enough you can make most things work. it just has to be modified a little. but my sifu always told us to keep it simple.


If I avoid a strike and do a simple punch to the face and end it there, how is that NOT to my kung fu training's credit?

in my book it is.

[sanjuro_ronin]

that seems to be the most AVOIDED notion throughout this whole forum. I agree.

Pretty much.
Whenever I see someone fighting full contact I expect to see this:
Speed, focus, good footwork, angles, combinations ( in various forms of course).
That is good kung fu.

When people see videos and see "that's just kickboxing", I can usually tell that they have no notion WHY full contact fighting tends to look a certain way REGARDLESS of what style is trained.
It doesn't change the fact that:
The sport combat crowd will say don't see much of a difference between that and KB"
The "authentic kung fu" crowd will say," That's just kickboxing and not authentic TCMA"
They are BOTH right, the difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard "kickboxing" as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.

"kick boxing" is what a fighter does when he kicks and strikes at his most natural, when he is under pressure.
How well he does it depends on how good he is of course.

[Lebaufist]

Its because they don't fight. The ones that don't fight don't realize that the way we use techniques in actual fighting is far different than what we do in forms. many people are too robotic and rely on the system working for them without them actually making it work. if you train enough you can make most things work. it just has to be modified a little. but my sifu always told us to keep it simple.
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in my book it is.

Yes, I'll go one further and say the modifications are really just the on the fly adjustments one MUST make in a chaotic and abstract situation. Such as the unpredictable angles, forces, and reactions of your opponent that tend to smear the picture perfect ideal of a form. In which case even the Pure Kickboxer®™© isn't immune. Otherwise all his fighting would look like the picture perfect form of his shadowboxing and padwork.

[pateticorecords]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOUaUJ9P38 :)

[pateticorecords]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1ym3yggR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19VsB7__v0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrZM6JlkjFs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMJ_b9uV1Lo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjm5-lcHH5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvdkgl3h_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twEAjkkafn8

[Lebaufist]

Pthe difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard "kickboxing" as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.


This is actually a de-evolution of the ideal. When I first came into contact with this notion by my teacher, it wasn't to contrast kung fu from kickboxing. It was to contrast sloppy fighting from clean.

[ginosifu]

So, out of curiosity, do we have ANY videos of full contact fighting that DOESN'T look like "kick boxing" ??

Because of the rules.... most all "SPORT" martial art fighting is going to look like kickboxing.

The nature of sport fighting is to club your opponent with jabs, cross, round kick, Shuai Jiao etc. until they go down. All this ends up looking like kickboxing no matter what style you are doing. The human body only does so many maneuvers and counters to these basic strikes.

ginosifu

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is actually a de-evolution of the ideal. When I first came into contact with this notion by my teacher, it wasn't to contrast kung fu from kickboxing. It was to contrast sloppy fighting from clean.

Not sure what you mean...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Because of the rules.... most all "SPORT" martial art fighting is going to look like kickboxing.

The nature of sport fighting is to club your opponent with jabs, cross, round kick, Shuai Jiao etc. until they go down. All this ends up looking like kickboxing no matter what style you are doing. The human body only does so many maneuvers and counters to these basic strikes.

ginosifu

Quite correct.
The ruleset tends to dictate the look of a match, that is why a MMA match that is mostly striking will still look different enough from a MT match.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOUaUJ9P38 :)

There is nothing more cheap than Sanda rules where a crap load of points are awarded for someone bull charging and pushing you out of the ring!! Complete garbage.:rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

I know what you mean
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UZcfpgvRMB8/TiK0ToUfZbI/AAAAAAAAEkk/LG7jRbaY-pI/s1600/Busty+babe+selfshot+cleavage.jpg

[Lebaufist]

Quite correct.
The ruleset tends to dictate the look of a match, that is why a MMA match that is mostly striking will still look different enough from a MT match.


Heck, I dare say that MMA striking is beginning to look like kung fu with all the striking thats showing up from a lower and wider foot position.

[Lebaufist]

Not sure what you mean...Meaning that a lot of kickboxing at the time (Long time ago)looked wild and uncontrolled.

[hskwarrior]

The "authentic kung fu" crowd will say," That's just kickboxing and not authentic TCMA"
They are BOTH right, the difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard "kickboxing" as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.

Coming from that era, i can say that Kung Fu hated any type of gloves on our hands when it came to fighting. this is why we stayed away from a lot of competitions, plus, many of those comps were run by karate people, we felt there was going to be an obvious bias there. We also felt gloves would inhibit the techniques we trained without them.

In the bay area, there wasn't alot of San Shou back then. I remember some introduction of Lei Tai but all the fighters seemed to be from other states. if it were more open and prevalent here back then, we'd be in the san shou game already.

If more gung fu people would have just experimented with what worked while wearing gloves we'd have more fighters out there. but their fear of gloves threw off a bunch of traditionalists.

[pateticorecords]

There is nothing more cheap than Sanda rules where a crap load of points are awarded for someone bull charging and pushing you out of the ring!! Complete garbage.:rolleyes:

hahaha I know... but that was what worked for the MMA fighter :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

Heck, I dare say that MMA striking is beginning to look like kung fu with all the striking thats showing up from a lower and wider foot position.

Very good observation :D


Meaning that a lot of kickboxing at the time (Long time ago)looked wild and uncontrolled.
Ah, understood.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

I know what you mean
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UZcfpgvRMB8/TiK0ToUfZbI/AAAAAAAAEkk/LG7jRbaY-pI/s1600/Busty+babe+selfshot+cleavage.jpg

"He also came to know the pleasures of women, when he was bred to the finest stock"

[sanjuro_ronin]

"He also came to know the pleasures of women, when he was bred to the finest stock"

To the victor go the spoils !

[Lebaufist]

If more gung fu people would have just experimented with what worked while wearing gloves we'd have more fighters out there. but their fear of gloves threw off a bunch of traditionalists.

We worked mostly with the so called Bruce Lee gloves. 10 oz. I found NO hindrance to my over all technique. I could grab or diu sao.

[hskwarrior]

Yes, I'll go one further and say the modifications are really just the on the fly adjustments one MUST make in a chaotic and abstract situation. Such as the unpredictable angles, forces, and reactions of your opponent that tend to smear the picture perfect ideal of a form. In which case even the Pure Kickboxer®™© isn't immune. Otherwise all his fighting would look like the picture perfect form of his shadowboxing and padwork.

Right! This why i teach my students in the beginning to forget the combo's until each single strike improves. That way each strike, redirection, trap, etc etc will be there for you "ON THE FLY" its up to you and your training to know how to instantly string your individual techniques into something effective (freestyle), not picture perfect.

let me put it like this, when I do forms, i'm going to have a bunch open doors according to some people because of my long range techniques. But its just a form so i don't really worry about it. but, when it comes to fighting and training to fight i know that i can't be so long range unless im trying to keep the guy at a distance. but I must know how to apply the same techniques while im up in the mid range and also now to modify it "ON THE FLY" as you stated in the short range as well.


We worked mostly with the so called Bruce Lee gloves. 10 oz. I found NO hindrance to my over all technique. I could grab or diu sao.

those are what we preferred as well.

[Lucas]

Heck, I dare say that MMA striking is beginning to look like kung fu with all the striking thats showing up from a lower and wider foot position.

people are starting to throw in what is modernly refered to as 'unorthodox' striking, case in point, last night in ufc fight (forget who) one guy threw a 360 spinning outside crescent kick. very very uncommon to see that in mma. whats even funnier is that joe rogan had to explain to mike goldberg what it was, and actually said that it is an 'old school' technique...:rolleyes:

[Iron_Eagle_76]

A nice evolution of kickboxing, starting with the PKA days back in the 70's to early 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboHrhQ6S08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTDYP1qPJ1M

To the inclusion of Muay Thai and evolution of kickboxing with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLejmqkQQ7U

Until the K1 days, and one of favorite (although personally biased) fights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-A0X3z8-w

[pateticorecords]

Fang Mountain Kung Fu MMA Fight Camp 2011 Fighter Profile 1: Stephen Ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbK611rs04I

Kung Fu's Value in MMA, Joe Rogan, Obasi and TUF, more on Traditional Arts: MMA Confidential TALK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb23neZBShY

Corey Korupas From Superkicks Kung Fu, Double Tap Fight Crew MMA vs Josh Pemble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vEsv7iZVG0

Tim Potter From Superkicks Kung Fu, Double Tap Fight Crew MMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or_4qemKXPM

China Top Team MMA and Zhang TieQuan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lklv7R7HLuQ

Chinese fighter on UFC - Tie Quan Zhang (Mongolian Wolf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9P5zbWT72M

"Chinese Dragon" vs "Mongolian Wolf" (UMAC 75Kg Final)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IQcPdeZDk



Guy use Kung fu to K.O. a Bear (LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yFLBGXOcQE

[Lebaufist]

My Favorite K-1 fighter is Michael Macdonald. Regardless that he is not a KF representative, he has all the same ingredients. Tight guard that is useful in attack and defense. Solid footwork and maneuvering. CLEAN delivery of strikes. ( as clean as you can get with a heavy human to bounce off of who is hitting you back.) Great use of angles and height ranges. ETC ETC

[R]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

Sorta weird.. so many stops and starts.. almost like a cross between point fighting and kick boxing..

R

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

When I bounced up in Hamilton we had a lot of the OHL guys come in to the night club (Monopoly) and they liked to cause trouble at times and I recall one guy that tried that "grab and punch" thing, trying to get the shirt over my head and all that.
It was a beautiful Ippon Seio nage, truly worthy of praise by the Judo Gods !

[Indrafist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrdy2KyqPYo


Here's another video I found while searching, I think this was in Liverpool. Shame that we can't have this type of tournament fighting in the States instead of crappy point fighting. Also, got to love the stupid comments saying, "Where is the Hung Gar, I just see kickboxing":rolleyes:. Sound familiar.:D

That was at Leasowe on The Wirral near Liverpool, one of the two refs is George Ho who had a Hung Gar school on Wirral at the time.

[Lucas]

When I bounced up in Hamilton we had a lot of the OHL guys come in to the night club (Monopoly) and they liked to cause trouble at times and I recall one guy that tried that "grab and punch" thing, trying to get the shirt over my head and all that.
It was a beautiful Ippon Seio nage, truly worthy of praise by the Judo Gods !

lol i can picture it now, i bet he was mightily surprised!

[Mike Patterson]

This continues to be a giant fallacy. A form is an idealized expression of a technique/movement. Thats all. You would no more "do a form when fighting" than you would order a sandwich in prose or haiku.

If you want to see "the kung fu" look at the footwork, the choice of entry, positioning, strategy. Did he actually block something without using his face? Not just whether or not it looks like a movie. People who are expecting to see choice stances held for pictures after a strike are completely deluded.


Its because they don't fight. The ones that don't fight don't realize that the way we use techniques in actual fighting is far different than what we do in forms. many people are too robotic and rely on the system working for them without them actually making it work. if you train enough you can make most things work. it just has to be modified a little. but my sifu always told us to keep it simple.



in my book it is.


Pretty much.
Whenever I see someone fighting full contact I expect to see this:
Speed, focus, good footwork, angles, combinations ( in various forms of course).
That is good kung fu.

When people see videos and see "that's just kickboxing", I can usually tell that they have no notion WHY full contact fighting tends to look a certain way REGARDLESS of what style is trained.
It doesn't change the fact that:
The sport combat crowd will say don't see much of a difference between that and KB"
The "authentic kung fu" crowd will say," That's just kickboxing and not authentic TCMA"
They are BOTH right, the difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard "kickboxing" as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.

"kick boxing" is what a fighter does when he kicks and strikes at his most natural, when he is under pressure.
How well he does it depends on how good he is of course.

Ohhhh, I like you guys more an more. :)

These are the same types of statements I always make but are not real popular with some folks. ;)

As an aside on the glove issue. That is indeed a consideration for many traditionalists and always has been. It was a consideration for me in choosing the modern kuoshu over the sanshou federation back when I re-involved myself in the 90's. The rules and gloves (4 oz. fingerless nowadays, cotton garden gloves in my day) were more favorable to our methodology.

[Ray Pina]

Mr. Patterson,

I just found some footage from the "World event" that your championship team brought home "Gold medals" from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5wzaDgYQZA

Sorry that we had a heavy winded conversation. If I would have seen this first.....

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Even though there're no headshots, I've always enjoyed this clip from CangZhou.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir0MWNtMv4

[Lebaufist]

Ray, in all honesty, You fight and thats good, but I don't see anything particularly special about you or your opponents. After all, you're only really as good as the people you fight. So the question is, why the high and mighty act? What makes you so superior?

[Northwind]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm extremely curious to know if anyone out there has the same thoughts as I on this...

I see sparring and cage and challenge matches, etc. as something completely unto its own world - very different from barroom brawling or battlefields or from real-life defense; after all, no one comes up to you at the ATM and strikes a fighting stance, perhaps bouncing, perhaps getting grounded etc., and saying "Gimme your money".

This is NOT a "our stuff is too deadly for the ring" statement - so the tards who'd take that strawman stfu.

[Lucas]

Your intentions will always fuel the what and how you train, in anything. Specifically training for any sport will always dictate certain goals to strive for in order to excel at that sport. The cool thing about most full contact fighting,and especially vale tudo/mma is that the rule set you are training for leaves you with an extremely large degree of cross over from sport to real life application. I'll use judo as an example; during ne-waza training, for the sport of judo, your goal is to obtain a choke, lock, or pin, and to be able to escape or prevent such attacks against your person. In that same training, from a self defense standpoint, you will be looking more heavily for the escape or passing guard to be able to strike, which can heavily supplement the escape. But you will always be looking for a quick way back to your feet to obtain mobility, preferably with some damage done to your attacker. The key is control, once your capable of asserting dominant control, you can do what you want. Its the same exact training session, but you'll take out of it what you go into it for. The only reason fighters square in the ring is because its a game, that's just tactic to feel out the pace and the other fighters cadence. Its just as natural thing to do when you can, such as in a sport fight. But in real reactionary or first strike situations, that's not usually going to even be an option. Its an automatic adjustment. Sorry posting from phone hard to see what I'm typing, bad for structure and spelling lol

[AJM]

Quote of the year!

Another vote for quote of the year.

[Lucas]

Mods should keep a ongoing replacement quote of the year tally, like one or two each, replacing your fave as you find better, then have a poll voting contest at e end of the year. Winning quote originator wins a kick in the nuts

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8YZB5hta6A

[IronFist]

Whoa knockout at 0:52 in original vid :eek:

[sanjuro_ronin]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm extremely curious to know if anyone out there has the same thoughts as I on this...

I see sparring and cage and challenge matches, etc. as something completely unto its own world - very different from barroom brawling or battlefields or from real-life defense; after all, no one comes up to you at the ATM and strikes a fighting stance, perhaps bouncing, perhaps getting grounded etc., and saying "Gimme your money".

This is NOT a "our stuff is too deadly for the ring" statement - so the tards who'd take that strawman stfu.

A valid point.
Yet, the attributes that one develops in "the ring" are the ones that serve one best "in the street":
Speed, endurance, ability to hit, ability to take a hit, ability to hit WHILE taking a hit, ability to act AFTER getting hit.
Things that CAN'T be cultivated without full contact sparring ( or at least hard contact).
One shouldn't confuse the awareness needed for "the street" with the attributes developed in sparring and competition.

[hskwarrior]

A valid point.
Yet, the attributes that one develops in "the ring" are the ones that serve one best "in the street":
Speed, endurance, ability to hit, ability to take a hit, ability to hit WHILE taking a hit, ability to act AFTER getting hit.
Things that CAN'T be cultivated without full contact sparring ( or at least hard contact).
One shouldn't confuse the awareness needed for "the street" with the attributed developed in sparring and competition.

IMHO, if you are trained to fight in the ring then you shouldn't be fighting in the street. You are working towards becoming a "PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER".

Since there are many many elements missing IN THE RING that you find on the streets, ring fighting is the safest way to go. a street fighter who switches over to become a trained fighter will fare alot better than some guy who has never fought in his life. You might say that "the streets" in regards to Ring Fighting is an ENTRY LEVEL position.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

IMHO, if you are trained to fight in the ring then you shouldn't be fighting in the street. You are working towards becoming a "PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER".

Since there are many many elements missing IN THE RING that you find on the streets, ring fighting is the safest way to go. a street fighter who switches over to become a trained fighter will fare alot better than some guy who has never fought in his life. You might say that "the streets" in regards to Ring Fighting is an ENTRY LEVEL position.

Well, that depends. There is a lot of ring fighting that is very dangerous in a real, life or death encounter. BJJ is a great example of this. In real life, ground fighting is based around firmly planting your opponent into the ground with the intent of disabling him as he is mashed into the pavement while You stay standing. You can't afford to get tied up BJJ style on the ground for any length of time.

You don't want to trade blows going back and forth like you see in the ring all the time. You have to quickly get through thier attacks to get in and scissor them over.

Things not legal in the ring, like smashing thier ankles after they fall, knee dropping on thier floating ribs as they hit the ground, kneeing on thier throat and "soccer ball "kicking them in the head are all illegal moves in MMA. Because of this, they tend not to be trained.

When you start bringing knives into the deal, Ring fighting skills become even more dangerous. The reason is that ring fighting programs one to stand and position themselves in such a way that thier very vulnerable to knife attacks. The way a ring fighter enters for a common Jab for instance, is like jabbing his hand into a blender (Juicer for you modern kids) to a knife fighter.

You have to know how to protect your neck, the main veins of the arms, and the legs as well. All are exposed in ring fighting. Ring fighters TRAIN to ignore these areas because they are not a threat in the ring. When a ring fighter ends up in the street, he's not going to deviate from his training.

Street fighting is not an "Entry Level" to professional fighting. They are two different things. It's like saying Basket Ball is the entry level to Baseball. Sure they have commonalities. Both games are played with a ball for instance. However, they are really completely different animals.

[BakShaolinEC]

i think its that people train so much in forms and these techniques that they actually would like to see them used once or twice. instead of hearing stories of their master back 40 years ago in hong kong OR how awesome their art was in ancient china (or something). but fights are so random you have to just use what comes from instinct and that's often blocking and striking. and every art has blocking and striking so people get confused.

in the end who cares as long as you are the victor/safe/whatever?

[Ray Pina]

"Real life" violence just happens and is often more emotional/rage filled.... in some ways its easier, because the movements tend to be exaggerated and undisciplined. With that said it's ALWAYS more dangerous because of numbers (multiple people), weapons, drugs, law.

[hskwarrior]

Street fighting is not an "Entry Level" to professional fighting. They are two different things. It's like saying Basket Ball is the entry level to Baseball. Sure they have commonalities. Both games are played with a ball for instance. However, they are really completely different animals.

I stand on my personal belief that street fighting CAN be considered an entry level towards professional fighting because of the experience and knowledge it provides. I never learned wrestling yet the streets taught me how to do things like Sprawl, guillotine, take downs, and certain throws etc etc.

but in the street, there is no sportsmanlike conduct or even respect. Therefore, what the streets teach you, you can bring that into the ring. the only real issue is being untrained vs trained. just my opinion based from my own experience.


Things not legal in the ring, like smashing thier ankles after they fall, knee dropping on thier floating ribs as they hit the ground, kneeing on thier throat and "soccer ball "kicking them in the head are all illegal moves in MMA. Because of this, they tend not to be trained.

In the streets we would use these types of attacks.