Bridging With a Striker?

[Yoshiyahu]

Is it possible to connect a bridge with a Muay Thai fighter or Boxer!!!!

If so what is purpose of establishing a bridge? How long can you use it?

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?

[Lee Chiang Po]

Is it possible to connect a bridge with a Muay Thai fighter or Boxer!!!!

If so what is purpose of establishing a bridge? How long can you use it?

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?

Being a Muay Thai fighter or a Boxer does not really mean anything unless they are contenders for a title. A WC fighter is not likely to ever come up on another Wing Chun fighter anyway, and most people attempt to box you. Wing Chun is designed to fight these types of fighter. How else would you fight them with your Wing Chun? Stand and trade punches with them? Unless they were indeed contenders for a title of some sort you have as much chance of out punching them as they you. The average muay thai or boxer isn't any more to worry about than some other fighter.
Of course you would attempt to bridge with them. That is what it is all about. That is what WC does. It only takes a second or 2 and it can be over with. You don't just pop him once or twice and retreat, you pop him and he will lose his ability to defend for a second or 2 and you just pound him good.

[R]

Being a Muay Thai fighter or a Boxer does not really mean anything unless they are contenders for a title. A WC fighter is not likely to ever come up on another Wing Chun fighter anyway, and most people attempt to box you. Wing Chun is designed to fight these types of fighter. How else would you fight them with your Wing Chun? Stand and trade punches with them? Unless they were indeed contenders for a title of some sort you have as much chance of out punching them as they you. The average muay thai or boxer isn't any more to worry about than some other fighter.
Of course you would attempt to bridge with them. That is what it is all about. That is what WC does. It only takes a second or 2 and it can be over with. You don't just pop him once or twice and retreat, you pop him and he will lose his ability to defend for a second or 2 and you just pound him good.

ROTFLMAO!!

OK... can we have the next joke please :rolleyes:

R

[YouKnowWho]

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?
This should be a general TCMA question and not just a WC question.

To force a striker to play your grappling game, or to force a grappler to play your striking game is always a smart idea.

If you are a striker and if you can use your bridge to force your opponent's leading arm to jam his back arm, you still have one free arm to strike but both of your opponent's arms are not free, you will still have great advantage even if your opponent is also a striker.

[Yoshiyahu]

good post...



This should be a general TCMA question and not just a WC question.

To force a striker to play your grappling game, or to force a grappler to play your striking game is always a smart idea.

If you are a striker and if you can use your bridge to force your opponent's leading arm to jam his back arm, you still have one free arm to strike but both of your opponent's arms are not free, you will still have great advantage even if your opponent is also a striker.

[Vajramusti]

Is it possible to connect a bridge with a Muay Thai fighter or Boxer!!!!

If so what is purpose of establishing a bridge? How long can you use it?

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?
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A strange question! Anytime you connect-you have a bridge. How, when, how long-- depends on your game and your reading of your opponent.

[Firehawk4]

Is there any video of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu systems useing Bridging in a real street fight against thaiboxing , boxing , streetfighters ,Thugs attacking someone ?

[Lee Chiang Po]

ROTFLMAO!!

OK... can we have the next joke please :rolleyes:

R

I am guessing you are a very young and inexperienced person if you find it that funny. I have learned this from experience, so feel I know what I am talking about here.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Is there any video of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu systems useing Bridging in a real street fight against thaiboxing , boxing , streetfighters ,Thugs attacking someone ?


Probably not. You see, MMA fights are done in front of a camera most times, where street or bar room fighting is spontanious and most people would rather a camera not be looking at them anyway. If you went off looking for a fight I would gamble you would not run up on anyone that is a muay thai fighter or a decent boxer. Out of probably about 200 confrontations over about 30 years I have not met one boxer that was worth a flip and no muay thai fighers at all. A few that had a limited experience with karate maybe, and a little of this and a little of that, but I have yet to find anyone that was a real professional fighter. That is not to say however that there were many of them that would beat the hell out of you anyway. It is just silly to imagine that a person, simply because he has had a bit of boxing training or a bit of muay thai training is going to be hell to beat. Not so. As I have said before, the majority of people that will fight with you are going to attempt to box you. It is only natural. Not everyone that boxes is a champion.

[R]

I appreciate your experiences but I am sorry mine are different.

I roomed with one of those easily beatable boxers and tbh most of the time I would think a person should not take someone who had done a reasonable bit of training (not a contender.. just trained) lightly. They train to reflexively hit with power from any position, take a hit without getting flustered and are often in better condition than the average martial artist.

The few times I saw someone pick a fight someone who actually trained in boxing the challenger usually was beaten relatively easily. Heck I even remember someone trying it on in the loo with my mate whom they had taken exception to. He turned around and floored the guy while still ****ing mid-stream. That is focusing on the fight in a way few others are likely to do.

If you are trying to suggest that WC or similar arts will easily beat boxers then I suggest that you take some guys down to a local gym and have a go. I think that you will be unpleasantly surprised.

How did you know the guys you had all these experiences with were really boxers or thai boxers anyways? Most real fights don't start with introductions so is this just what you have concluded from the way they fought?

Oh and we are almost the same age. Not sure you can pull ''I'm older and know better'' as an argument with me.

FWIW

R

[Chadderz]

Oooft, can't believe you wrote that, it's so full of wrongness that it made the Baby Jesus cry.


Best advice, spar with a MT or Boxer, and post the results on Youtube.

[Phil Redmond]

. . .Out of probably about 200 confrontations over about 30 years I have not met one boxer that was worth a flip . . . .
I'll be taking your posts less seriously from now on. :rolleyes:

[Frost]

I'll be taking your posts less seriously from now on. :rolleyes:

is that possible :)

[wingchunIan]

Is it possible to connect a bridge with a Muay Thai fighter or Boxer!!!!

If so what is purpose of establishing a bridge? How long can you use it?

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?

If you're not going to bridge what are you going to do? call him names? Throw things at him? Maybe its a difference in our interpretation of to bridge, but to my mind any contact is a bridge. If my fist makes contact with a face I have a bridge. If my foot makes contact with a knee I have a bridge. Hell even shoulder to shoulder is a bridge. If you aren't making contact then you aren't fighting. So other than running away rapidly (which is often the wisest course of action and one has to assume unavailable as an option) there is no option but to bridge in some way.

[wingchunIan]

Probably not. You see, MMA fights are done in front of a camera most times, where street or bar room fighting is spontanious and most people would rather a camera not be looking at them anyway. If you went off looking for a fight I would gamble you would not run up on anyone that is a muay thai fighter or a decent boxer. Out of probably about 200 confrontations over about 30 years I have not met one boxer that was worth a flip and no muay thai fighers at all. A few that had a limited experience with karate maybe, and a little of this and a little of that, but I have yet to find anyone that was a real professional fighter. That is not to say however that there were many of them that would beat the hell out of you anyway. It is just silly to imagine that a person, simply because he has had a bit of boxing training or a bit of muay thai training is going to be hell to beat. Not so. As I have said before, the majority of people that will fight with you are going to attempt to box you. It is only natural. Not everyone that boxes is a champion.

Whilst I appreciate your point that it is unlikely in the street to be attacked by someone with a very high level of skill in either boxing or MT it could happen and there are enough average joe boxers and kick boxers out there who like a pint or two followed by a scrap to prove how hard they are. To be dismissive of any style is asking for trouble especially those styles who routinely test themselves in full contact sparring and dare I say it attract more than their fair share of society's naturally aggressive fighters. I also sympathise with the view that just because someone has been to the boxing gym a few times it doesn't make them a dangerous fighter as there are enough people out there who claim to box who actually just flail their arms around, but for the purposes of this thread I think the assumption was that the opponent is profficient in either discipline.

[YouKnowWho]

any contact is a bridge.

Agree 100% there. None TCMA guys may ask, "What's the usage for bridge?"

When your

- leg touches your opponent's leg, you can sense your opponent's leg intention.
- arm touches your opponent's arm, you can sense your opponent's arm intention.
- chest touches your opponent's chest, you can sense your opponent's heart beat.
- lips touches your opponent's lips, you can sense your opponent's love.

TCMA guys like to call this Tinjing. None TCMA guy may call this whatever that they like. It's just as simple as to touch your hand on your girl's body. How hard can that be?

[Yoshiyahu]

Thanks for sharing...thats very interesting and enlighting!!!



If you're not going to bridge what are you going to do? call him names? Throw things at him? Maybe its a difference in our interpretation of to bridge, but to my mind any contact is a bridge. If my fist makes contact with a face I have a bridge. If my foot makes contact with a knee I have a bridge. Hell even shoulder to shoulder is a bridge. If you aren't making contact then you aren't fighting. So other than running away rapidly (which is often the wisest course of action and one has to assume unavailable as an option) there is no option but to bridge in some way.

[R]

If you're not going to bridge what are you going to do? call him names? Throw things at him? Maybe its a difference in our interpretation of to bridge, but to my mind any contact is a bridge. If my fist makes contact with a face I have a bridge. If my foot makes contact with a knee I have a bridge. Hell even shoulder to shoulder is a bridge. If you aren't making contact then you aren't fighting. So other than running away rapidly (which is often the wisest course of action and one has to assume unavailable as an option) there is no option but to bridge in some way.

Perhaps there is a distinction between a bridge and a strike. There are old sayings that amount to things like make a bridge, cross it or let him create a bridge then smash it..

So I would interpret bridging as the attempt to engage an opponent to allow me to move to striking or applying chin na or whatever else one might want to do.

Certainly if things are ''bridges'' they must be ways of allowing you to bridge the gap and make contact with the opponent. Yes any contact is a bridge of sorts but this isn't quite what I would take as the meaning of the term in TCMA. Just my take on it. A strike is only a bridge if it is being used to set up another technique and not as an end of things in itself. E.G. one wants an opponent to tie up his hands. If you throw a strike and the person grabs your wrist and then you grab his other hand as it moves forward then the first strike is a bridge that allows the hands to be locked and creates an opening for you to continue with your attack. If on the other hand you punch with the intent to knock him down and it works then you aren't really using the punch as a bridge but really as an end purpose itself.

Does this make any sense? What do you think of this interpretation?

R

[Yoshiyahu]

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A strange question! Anytime you connect-you have a bridge. How, when, how long-- depends on your game and your reading of your opponent.

I like your post...Very True indeed.

There is much wisdom in what you say.

it all depends on how skilled you are. An how skilled your opponent is

[imperialtaichi]

The other day someone called me a "Stand-up shooter." In a way, he was kind of right. It's like shooting for the opponent's elbows, instead of knees/legs.

Break it down. Simplify.

[imperialtaichi]

Of course you would attempt to bridge with them. That is what it is all about. That is what WC does.

I tend to disagree. Focus on hitting someone, and you will get just that, hitting him. Focus on bridging and you will get just that too. But your purpose is not to hit him or bridge him. The purpose is to annihalate him. Bridging and/or hitting is just tools for the job.

Mentally, focus on your purpose. Your habits and attribute will carry you through. The rest will fall into place.

[couch]

I tend to disagree. Focus on hitting someone, and you will get just that, hitting him. Focus on bridging and you will get just that too. But your purpose is not to hit him or bridge him. The purpose is to annihalate him. Bridging and/or hitting is just tools for the job.

Mentally, focus on your purpose. Your habits and attribute will carry you through. The rest will fall into place.

This is awesome.

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On another note, it's interesting to see people coming back to, "How would Chun deal with boxing, Muay Thai?"

Why are a lot of us nervous about this? I feel that if we look to the heart of that matter, everything gets better.

I can't sit here all day and chat with my 'peers' on how to deal with these types of attackers. Instead, I have to talk, drill and spar with these types of attackers.

It's the simplest solution, but perhaps because it's such a personal one, it's the hardest road to travel. Perhaps in some of our heads we think, "How can I beat a boxer, while sitting here on the internet and without getting hit?" Negative feedback works and it works well.

After the personal journey has begun, it's like the sky opens up and the sun starts shining.

[Yoshiyahu]

good post...each fighter is different...the best way to learn is by fighting!



This is awesome.

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On another note, it's interesting to see people coming back to, "How would Chun deal with boxing, Muay Thai?"

Why are a lot of us nervous about this? I feel that if we look to the heart of that matter, everything gets better.

I can't sit here all day and chat with my 'peers' on how to deal with these types of attackers. Instead, I have to talk, drill and spar with these types of attackers.

It's the simplest solution, but perhaps because it's such a personal one, it's the hardest road to travel. Perhaps in some of our heads we think, "How can I beat a boxer, while sitting here on the internet and without getting hit?" Negative feedback works and it works well.

After the personal journey has begun, it's like the sky opens up and the sun starts shining.

[lance]

Is it possible to connect a bridge with a Muay Thai fighter or Boxer!!!!

If so what is purpose of establishing a bridge? How long can you use it?

Is bridging with a boxer a safe and good idea?

Yoshiyahu , yes , it ' s possible , if I was fighting a muay thai guy he ' s probably going to be throwing a elbow or any type of punches at me , anyway , anytime you make contact with your opponents' leading hand with your leading hand that ' s what they call a bridge right there . Depending on how you want to stop your opponents' attack . I would simply waste no time the minute he throws a straight right at my face area , I would simply use a left cross pak sao and a right punch to his face area . While I ' m doing a technique on him , I would follow up with 2 more techniques to finnish him off .

Bridge is simply to close the opening or gap between you and your opponent , because if you don ' t bridge or close that gap you simply going be facing your opponent and this will go on and on . Unless one of you really decides to close the gap on your opponent and it ' s done with already . It ' s either you or your opponent who can close that gap it can be used anytime . The boxer going be punching and trying to knock you to the ground , so when you have a good chance close the gap and finnish the opponent off . Since WC uses simultaneous defense and attack theory the WC person has the advantage over the boxer .
Unless the boxer decides to really move around and make it harder for the WC man to bridge the gap on him .

[Yoshiyahu]

great post i love what i wrote you too!!!



Yoshiyahu , yes , it ' s possible , if I was fighting a muay thai guy he ' s probably going to be throwing a elbow or any type of punches at me , anyway , anytime you make contact with your opponents' leading hand with your leading hand that ' s what they call a bridge right there . Depending on how you want to stop your opponents' attack . I would simply waste no time the minute he throws a straight right at my face area , I would simply use a left cross pak sao and a right punch to his face area . While I ' m doing a technique on him , I would follow up with 2 more techniques to finnish him off .

Bridge is simply to close the opening or gap between you and your opponent , because if you don ' t bridge or close that gap you simply going be facing your opponent and this will go on and on . Unless one of you really decides to close the gap on your opponent and it ' s done with already . It ' s either you or your opponent who can close that gap it can be used anytime . The boxer going be punching and trying to knock you to the ground , so when you have a good chance close the gap and finnish the opponent off . Since WC uses simultaneous defense and attack theory the WC person has the advantage over the boxer .
Unless the boxer decides to really move around and make it harder for the WC man to bridge the gap on him .