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YouKnowWho
11-05-2011, 11:19 PM
I like the "freedom" in this clip. It's not like when you were young, you father told you that you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. We don't see that:
- I throw you down, I win.
- You push me back, you win.
- This move is against my style principle.
- That move is not Chinese.
- Your move is illegal in sport.
- It's not "internal".
- ...
If you win, it's great. If you lose, it's fun too. Just do the best that you can. Do you think this is the future of the TCMA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv9EHXPd1c
Dragonzbane76
11-05-2011, 11:58 PM
the furture of tcma is in its own hands....
shaw like films cannot predict, only state what is in the now...
but that is a hell of a fight scene...:)
peaking interests in young minds.
kungfu panda
kungfu fighting on the big screen in all Hollywood movies.
and of course Hongkong and China movies.
why ask why?
it is for the curious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i42u_gsm95U&list=FL7SVmcQWM1Lx0ExaHE2bpGw&feature=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rp4leWiiS0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR31ujUYLUo&feature=related
there are many answers to life.
there are also many answers to fighting.
the old way and the new way
it is only your perspective of what is old or "new".
it is for the curious.
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt2MdfHDbCg&feature=related
some are collecting and preserving the butterflies.
some are learning/collecting and preserving the "old" fighting methods.
it is all for the curious.
you find your answers for life yourself.
you find your answers for fighting yourself.
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt2MdfHDbCg&feature=related
Julien is the old person that knows about butterflies
Isabelle is the young one that is curious.
We are the old dudes that knows about kungfu.
We tell the young what is kung fu.
in your own way.
The young also find answers them self as they grow up.
etc etc.
YouKnowWho
11-06-2011, 01:29 PM
One of my students sent me that link. He told me that this is how he is curently teaching his students. I told him that I strongly support his direction. Something that I may not be able to do in my lifetime (such as fully ground game integration), I'm happy to see that it may have chance to be done by my next generation.
hskwarrior
11-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Part one.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjYAQyGr8c
Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMVOwLfn9w
YouKnowWho
11-06-2011, 02:02 PM
In my student's school, the training was already moving toward that direction many years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53rUCAkmZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv9EHXPd1c
I like the "freedom" in this clip. It's not like when you were young, you father told you that you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. We don't see that:
- I throw you down, I win.
- You push me back, you win.
- This move is against my style principle.
- That move is not Chinese.
- Your move is illegal in sport.
- It's not "internal".
- ...
If you win, it's great. If you lose, it's fun too. Just do the best that you can. Do you think this is the future of the TCMA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv9EHXPd1c
One of my favorite fight scenes.
RWilson
11-06-2011, 03:04 PM
TCMA would do well to move away from "kung fu maxims", mystical powers, and looking not sparring.
If TCMA people worked on actual combat skills kung fu could be saved. Of course if some moron pays a charlatan money to learn "lightness" skills or iron palm he or she is free to spend her money the way they want. Kung fu is also a business and it is always better to separate a fool and his money than to let him keep it.
YouKnowWho
11-06-2011, 04:15 PM
One of my favorite fight scenes.
I had always wanted to go to Hollywood to design some "fighting scenes". IMO, the Chinese throwing art just wasn't introduced enough in most of the fight scenes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40u3e4tSx4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53rUCAkmZs
ginosifu
11-06-2011, 05:46 PM
If TCMA people worked on actual combat skills kung fu could be saved. Of course if some moron pays a charlatan money to learn "lightness" skills or iron palm he or she is free to spend her money the way they want. Kung fu is also a business and it is always better to separate a fool and his money than to let him keep it.
I teach Irom Palm and there is nothing mystical or magical about it. Hand conditioning is just another part of training that a student may wish to endever. Some do it, some don't.
Yes there are charletans out there but don't blame or condem Iron Palm.... just the iceholes who miss use it.
ginosifu
I had always wanted to go to Hollywood to design some "fighting scenes". IMO, the Chinese throwing art just wasn't introduced enough in most of the fight scenes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40u3e4tSx4
Sorry, I got distracted by the cute girl taking falls. What did you say? Haha.
I like the "freedom" in this clip. It's not like when you were young, you father told you that you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that. We don't see that:
- I throw you down, I win.
- You push me back, you win.
- This move is against my style principle.
- That move is not Chinese.
- Your move is illegal in sport.
- It's not "internal".
- ...
If you win, it's great. If you lose, it's fun too. Just do the best that you can. Do you think this is the future of the TCMA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv9EHXPd1c
Some symbolism from the movie clip
The narrow house is like a cage fight. The platform with rails is like lei tai.
lots of illegal moves for the ring. such as strikes on ground games. kneeing the temple etc
if it is a real fight, the fight ends in a few seconds or a minute
Since it is a movie, both continues even though they are equal or no one is winning, so keep on fighting.
the fall off the platform or lei tai
who ever falls to ground first would lose (ring rule) etc etc
lots of symbolism.
elbow and knee are both used for defense and offense. Good.
other stuff are theatrical or just for movie's sake.
etc etc.
if you are curious, that is.
:)
if you think the future is in the ring, then there are rules for safety.
we follow the rule sets.
if you think the future is actual combat with no rules
then fight away as a soldier or law enforcement with weapon or not.
fight on that is.
:)
RWilson
11-07-2011, 09:06 AM
I teach Irom Palm and there is nothing mystical or magical about it. Hand conditioning is just another part of training that a student may wish to endever. Some do it, some don't.
Yes there are charletans out there but don't blame or condem Iron Palm.... just the iceholes who miss use it.
ginosifu
Why not just call it hand conditioning like they do in Japanese martial arts? Iron Palm connotates something different or special. You are saying it is just hand conditioning so call it that then.
Iron_Eagle_76
11-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Considering the amount of idiots coming onto these forums on both side of the argument, I don't think TCMA has to worry about it's future.:D
ginosifu
11-07-2011, 09:12 AM
Why not just call it hand conditioning like they do in Japanese martial arts? Iron Palm connotates something different or special. You are saying it is just hand conditioning so call it that then.
Cuz that is what was given to me as the name of the skill set. What is wrong with stating that your hands are as strong as Iron? I never get finger or hand injuries from sparring or wrestling since I started IP. When I hit people they tell me that if feels a though I am hitting them with a roll of quarters in my hand. Nothing magical but they are pretty hard.
ginosifu
ps. the Chinese language has always been flowery and poetic. They have always given everything exotic names.
TenTigers
11-07-2011, 09:17 AM
Why not just call it, "conditioning?"
Because there is more to IP than simply conditioning the hand.
It teaches specific power generation as well.
Again, nothing mystical about body mechanics, relaxation, etc, no ch'i blasts,
but it still goes deeper than simply banging away at your hand until it looks like a foot.
It is specialized training, and it does require specific instruction.
I'm sorry that giving it a name offends you.
ginosifu
11-07-2011, 09:19 AM
Why not just call it, "conditioning?"
Because there is more to IP than simply conditioning the hand.
It teaches specific power generation as well.
Again, nothing mystical about body mechanics, relaxation, etc, no ch'i blasts,
but it still goes deeper than simply banging away at your hand until it looks like a foot.
It is specialized training, and it does require specific instruction.
I'm sorry that giving it a name offends you.
Thx TT
ginosifu
wenshu
11-07-2011, 09:32 AM
How else am I supposed to believe that I am living in World of Warcraft if you just call it "conditioning"?!?
MightyB
11-07-2011, 10:48 AM
If you win, it's great. If you lose, it's fun too. Just do the best that you can. Do you think this is the future of the TCMA?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSv9EHXPd1c
Donnie's my favorite Martial Arts actor right now. Here's a good clip demonstrating Kung-Fudo (Kung Fu and Judo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lR6q722H38).
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