Is Hung Ga s Tid Sin Kuen Iron Wire Form from old Hung Ga ?

[Firehawk4]

Is Tit Kiu Sams Iron Wire form Tit Sin Kuen from old or Villiage Hung Ga ? it seems to use the Yee Gi Kim Yueng Ma stance and the Hay Sa Fu Hung Ga uses this stance ? Just wondering if this form was one of the things that was not really changed that much from its original foundations from Tit Kiu Sam s time or was it also changed by Wong Fei Hung and Lam Sai Wing ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

One stance does not a form make so you can't really decide on the origin of a form based on one of the main stances.
Which seems to be what you are doing.
From my understanding Hay Sa Fu Hung Ga added their IW from the WFH branch of Hung Ga, it wasn't original to it ( I could be wrong but I recall reading that and I think Gene mentioned that also).
The qigong in the TSK was present in Hung Ga before the development of the TSK, I think that Tit saw that it was good to put them all in one form ( by all I mean the bridges and "killing hands").
Whether there was modifications to it after that is speculative but I would think so, I mean why not?
I don't think the core, the "heart" was changes but having seen a FEW versions it seems that some of the footwork was modified in some lineages and the reasons were probably practical ones ( limited space for example).

[Howard]

To my understanding, there are three main types of Hung Gar -

+ Futsan Hung Kuen (Wong Fei Hung, Lam family, Dang Family, etc)
+ Fadou Hung Kuen (Tam family, Chow family, etc..)
+ Tsamkong Hung Kuen (Yeungkong, Moumeng, 5 pattern hung kuen, Ha Sei Fu...etc)

By far the most prominent/popular is of the Futsan Hung Gar of which there is the Tit Sin Kuen set. The others (often deemed village or older style) do not practice this set. However, most of the methods are already included within other practices in any cases just not compiled the same.

[Firehawk4]

Thanks Guys i understand .

[David Jamieson]

It's shaolin.

that is all. :p

[TenTigers]

many Village styles have a version of tiet sien kuen, samjien tiet sien, etc Hak Fu Mun has it as well.

[Howard]

many Village styles have a version of tiet sien kuen, samjien tiet sien, etc Hak Fu Mun has it as well.

Like which?

(samjin titsin is Futsan)

[TenTigers]

not sure, but if you do a search on youtube, several come up.

[Firehawk4]

So are you guys saying that Tit Kiew Sams Tit San Kuen Form is different from this Sam Jin Tiet Sien Kuen ?

[Howard]

Sam jin Tit Sin Kuen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTfFjhv6Ys

Tit Sin Kuen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTniv8PuW0&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL2677499D000A1964