Long Range Fighting VS Short / Grappling Range

[ginosifu]

Where are you comfortable fighting at? Long Range? Short Range? Grappling? How long does Long Range fighting last in a real fight? Is Short and Grappling range the only real fighting range?

Yeah sure we see Kickboxing & San Shou and even some MMA matches with opponents keeping themselves at long range, but in reality, is long range any value?

Your thoughts?

ginosifu

[Brule]

IMO, kung fu is about close in fighting. If you stick to the outside, it's just a game of tag. You need to be in to finish the encounter.

[MightyB]

Where are you comfortable fighting at? Long Range? Short Range? Grappling? How long does Long Range fighting last in a real fight? Is Short and Grappling range the only real fighting range?

Yeah sure we see Kickboxing & San Shou and even some MMA matches with opponents keeping themselves at long range, but in reality, is long range any value?

Your thoughts?

ginosifu

My Sifu used to go to the steel pillar where we hung the hanging bag and take his hands to measure three lengths, palm to finger tip, from his chest to the pillar and then push kick it full force. He'd then say to me "you should be comfortable fighting in this range, this is where a mantis fighter fights". He'd then subtract one palm length and again push kick it full force. He'd then say to me "this is where I like to fight."

[ginosifu]

Long Range fighting is an important range to master, but it should something you need to learn to be able to get to the Short and Grappling ranges. Not just something to stay at. As mooyingmantis (also my Monkey Sifu) if you are close enough to kiss em, your are close enough to kill em.

ginosifu

[Dragonzbane76]

All ranges should be studied equally.

[wenshu]

Punish em on the outside, punish em on the inside.

[EarthDragon]

ba bu tang lang mantis lives and dies by the 8 cardinal points of fighting for continuous victory.. heres and example of w high level mentality when in combat with range,

Point # 2. Close the enemy using the long hand then destroy the enemy at close range with the short hand.

you must have and feel comfortable from long, you can establish balance rooting lifting steping sliding shuffling etc etc. then once contact is made by the extremities bridgeing you close in destroy short range with locks and strikes throws . this is the path for the best results of the ranges working equally IMHO

[ginosifu]

The reason I ask about long and short is because I see many TMA schools that advocate "Point Sparring" or "Light Contact" Sparring where fighters jump around and whack each other on the head gear and claim victory.

This happened to me once at a "Light Contact" event a long time ago. I was in a match with a TKD guy and as he jumped up to tap my head gear I blasted him straight in chest and knocked him down. He touched my head gear first and got the point, However I got disqualified for execessive contact. I thought to myself "there is no way that guy could have hurt me with that crap he was doing. Well..... I switched to San Shou after that.

Good Long Range, Move your way in, Bridge, Grab and Control or Grab and Throw.

ginosifu

[EarthDragon]

The reason I ask about long and short is because I see many TMA schools that advocate "Point Sparring" or "Light Contact" Sparring where fighters jump around and whack each other on the head gear and claim victory.

no need to say anything more about that! LOL

[Iron_Eagle_76]

In many countries, point fighting is a capital offense!!:p

I believe all ranges should be practiced equally or as close to equally as possible, however, certain individuals tend to gravitate towards certain methods of fighting.

Someone who is tall and limber with good flexibility tends to be a long range fighter, due to their length (no gay jokes) they can use strikes to keep their opponents at bay.

Someone who is shorter, muscular with a good center base and root tends to be an inside fighter with powerful hand strikes, clinch, and shuai and wrestling.

That does not mean both cannot be competent or good at all ranges, just that sometimes a person's build and mentality dictate which range of fighting they are better at.

[MightyB]

I think I wrote this before, but to me it's easier in the short range because it takes a lot of the 50/50 guess work out of the fight. I find that at a long range, it's a picking game built on speed, feinting, and reach... and luck. But when you're in tight, it's more about who's more skilled in "feel", balance, and relaxation. That's where the "hard work" pays off because you can train to get really comfortable at that inside game.

[BakShaolinEC]

long and medium. i don't mind short range. i try to be careful cause i don't want to get taken down.

[hskwarrior]

Punish em on the outside, punish em on the inside.

I concur!!!!!

[-N-]

If you stick to the outside, it's just a game of tag. You need to be in to finish the encounter.

+1

You don't kill anyone just staying on the outside.

[Drake]

I've had more than one session of getting beaten senseless with lessons on closing the gap and not staying outside.

Hard closing the gap and keeping your hands up when you're going against Ivan motherf&*^ing DRAGO... ESPECIALLY when you aren't allowed to punch back!!!!!

[uki]

Where are you comfortable fighting at? Long Range? Short Range? Grappling? How long does Long Range fighting last in a real fight? Is Short and Grappling range the only real fighting range?

Yeah sure we see Kickboxing & San Shou and even some MMA matches with opponents keeping themselves at long range, but in reality, is long range any value?

Your thoughts?i see long range as having two primary functions: initiation of a surprise attack and as a defensive aspect of retreating or stepping out of short range. naturally those with longer limbs have somewhat of an advantage. everything has a value that is measured in the manner in which it is being used. :)