What do you make of this? A question for scientific types, who know about astronomy!

[Hardwork108]

I came across this video clip, apparently filmed by NASA while observing Mercury. Unlike the person who discusses this, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it would be good to get some informed opinions about what this huge object could be.

http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/cloaked-mothership-mercury-ufo-2219/




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[Drake]

It's an artifact. I trust a scientist with a doctorate degree, as well as years of experience, over "siniXster". You could learn from this.

[Hardwork108]

It's an artifact. I trust a scientist with a doctorate degree, as well as years of experience, over "siniXster". You could learn from this.

What do you mean by "artifact"? Also, I did not make any comments about what that object was, as I simply don't know!

[Drake]

What do you mean by "artifact"? Also, I did not make any comments about what that object was, as I simply don't know!

Artifacts are errors that occur in photography and other graphical methods of presenting data. Gives the appearance that there is something else there, when in reality, it is just an error. They explained the problem with this one, because the device simply wasn't up to this difficult task. It got some good data, but of course, they probably knew this would happen too.

[Hardwork108]

Artifacts are errors that occur in photography and other graphical methods of presenting data. Gives the appearance that there is something else there, when in reality, it is just an error. They explained the problem with this one, because the device simply wasn't up to this difficult task. It got some good data, but of course, they probably knew this would happen too.

Thank you. I guess that is one good explanation.

I guess what got to people was the fact that whatever it was, appeared only during the "flare up". Not before. And if was a print that was left by the planet from the day before, then why did the print appear in a different shape to that of the planet. It would be fascinating to see some scientific types discussing this.

[Drake]

The article points out that they were using a specific type of device for the flare up... and using it in a manner in which it isn't normally used. That's why.

It's the same thing with "ghost" pictures... with an unexplained light or dark spot resulting from camera or film defects.

[Hardwork108]

The article points out that they were using a specific type of device for the flare up... and using it in a manner in which it isn't normally used. That's why.

It's the same thing with "ghost" pictures... with an unexplained light or dark spot resulting from camera or film defects.

I know, and they make a good case. "Errors" such as this are common. I do keep wondering if this phenomenon was something that they could not explain, wether they would admit it.

[mickey]

Greetings,

An artifact? Is that what they call weather balloons in outer space? :)

When looking at stuff like this, I try to get at least two points of reference. So to really get my attention, you need to get footage from another camera showing the same thing. There is another way to go about it and that involves meditation. The guy is a bit manipulative with his descriptions and that is a red flag for me.


mickey

[Drake]

I know, and they make a good case. "Errors" such as this are common. I do keep wondering if this phenomenon was something that they could not explain, wether they would admit it.

Astronomy is full of stuff we can't explain. Dark matter, for example, we keep fumbling over. Usually when astrophysicists and astronomers can't explain something, they make it very, very clear.

[Hardwork108]

Astronomy is full of stuff we can't explain. Dark matter, for example, we keep fumbling over. Usually when astrophysicists and astronomers can't explain something, they make it very, very clear.

True, but sometimes they come up with theories, which are nothing but educated guesses, which is fine too, but has to be differentiated from actual knowledge.

Sometimes, for ego's sake it is easier to attribute unexplained phenomenon to equipment failure, then to say that we have no idea, because this or that phenomenom could be attributed to dark matter.

Anyway, what I am trying to say also is that if you get 10 scientists looking at an unexplained or strange event, then you may never get a solid consensus as to what to what it is.

That is why sometimes it is good to get people who are somewhat specialists or at least well informed to discuss such events, even if they have a simple "down to earth" explanations.

[Drake]

True, but sometimes they come up with theories, which are nothing but educated guesses, which is fine too, but has to be differentiated from actual knowledge.

Sometimes, for ego's sake it is easier to attribute unexplained phenomenon to equipment failure, then to say that we have no idea, because this or that phenomenom could be attributed to dark matter.

Anyway, what I am trying to say also is that if you get 10 scientists looking at an unexplained or strange event, then you may never get a solid consensus as to what to what it is.

That is why sometimes it is good to get people who are somewhat specialists or at least well informed to discuss such events, even if they have a simple "down to earth" explanations.

Artifacts are fairly obvious and common phenomenon; dark matter, not so much. You can usually tell by how divided a scientific community is over something as a way of measuring how little we know about it.

Sometimes you have to be careful, or you get the vaccination fandango, with only a handful of doctors spreading the notion that vaccinations will turn you into a werewolf.

[Hardwork108]

Artifacts are fairly obvious and common phenomenon; dark matter, not so much. You can usually tell by how divided a scientific community is over something as a way of measuring how little we know about it.

Sometimes you have to be careful, or you get the vaccination fandango, with only a handful of doctors spreading the notion that vaccinations will turn you into a werewolf.


There are a lot of unsettled issues regarding vaccinations, such as the stuff they use as preservatives in them. Also, the fact that current medical "wisdom" in some countries recommends that infants, whose immune system has not even fully developed naturally, to be given dozen or so multiple vaccines.

I remember seeing an actual German expert questioning this on UK Tv many years ago, and warning about later side effects for those who take them, earlier in life.

I also remember during my time in Brasil, when during the soring heat of Rio de Janeiro summer, flu vaccine ads would appear on TV, encouraging people to take flu vaccines to protect them from Flu.

When one lives in a politically corrupt system, wether it is in the northern or southern hemisphere, one has to be vary of Big Pharma and its power.

[Syn7]

go look at google earth space section. you can find TONS of artifacts. i remember my sister thought she found something amazing. she was so dissapointed when i wikid artifacts for her. lol. she wasnt dumb or anything, just wasnt informed.


dark matter is just a theory. just like gravitons, tachyons and the like. i know cern is really hoping to see gravitons. we'll see.

[Drake]

While I don't think vaccinations are bad, I do agree that some are useless. Anthrax? Useless. Flu shots? Depends. They usually go with the flu strain that is most prevalent that season. I'm of the mind that it's more to protect the infants and elderly, as well as those with weakened immune systems. Otherwise, most of us can weather the flu. I'm no medical expert, so I'll go with what they recommend... I still don't think I need a flu shot unless my immune system is compromised.

But as for really messing people up? I doubt it. Too many doctors think it's nonsense.

[Syn7]

I never was vaccinated. I never get bacterial sick. EVER. the odd viral sickness passes thru, but it always seems to be minimal. Guess im lucky. I believe that i don't get bacterial sicknesses cause i spent my childhood in the dirt. my mother was never one of the disinfectant nazi pus$ies that i saw all around me.

i honestly believe that we are creating generations of sickly kids with all this over the top cleanliness bull****. between antibiotics and disinfectant, we'll be lucky to make it another 200 years.

[Fa Xing]

The preservatives in vaccines concern me as well, but there is just that much less evidence against them that tells me it might be okay but to be cautious.

The problem, however, is that science in the US is often funded by Pharma companies or the government (which is funded by Pharma lobbyists) which could possibly direct research towards favoring one thing over the other. While I do believe that science is mostly honest and upright, there have been violations in the past and wouldn't be so hard to picture it happening now either.

I have my suspicions but until anything can actually be proven then what can you do but trust your instincts AND keep yourself informed.

[Hardwork108]

While I don't think vaccinations are bad, I do agree that some are useless. Anthrax? Useless. Flu shots? Depends. They usually go with the flu strain that is most prevalent that season. I'm of the mind that it's more to protect the infants and elderly, as well as those with weakened immune systems. Otherwise, most of us can weather the flu. I'm no medical expert, so I'll go with what they recommend... I still don't think I need a flu shot unless my immune system is compromised.

But as for really messing people up? I doubt it. Too many doctors think it's nonsense.

Drake, sometimes the majority can be wrong.

[Hardwork108]

I never was vaccinated. I never get bacterial sick. EVER. the odd viral sickness passes thru, but it always seems to be minimal. Guess im lucky. I believe that i don't get bacterial sicknesses cause i spent my childhood in the dirt. my mother was never one of the disinfectant nazi pus$ies that i saw all around me.

i honestly believe that we are creating generations of sickly kids with all this over the top cleanliness bull****. between antibiotics and disinfectant, we'll be lucky to make it another 200 years.

Now, that is a sensible post.

The problem with medicine today is that in order for it to survive financially, it will need sick and dying people.

It would be interesting for those who are capable of investigating this to find out who the major shareholders of Big Pharma companies are, and then cross reference their names with shareholders of the private banking cartels, arms companies and the like.

Some researchers claim that it is the same owners who own and control all of these cartels.

[Hardwork108]

Greetings,

An artifact? Is that what they call weather balloons in outer space? :)

When looking at stuff like this, I try to get at least two points of reference. So to really get my attention, you need to get footage from another camera showing the same thing. There is another way to go about it and that involves meditation. The guy is a bit manipulative with his descriptions and that is a red flag for me.


mickey

I agree. The guy was a little too over enthusiastic about what he thought he saw and I also agree that multiple references, whenever possible, can be good in order to figure out and understand such phenomenon.

[Hardwork108]

The preservatives in vaccines concern me as well, but there is just that much less evidence against them that tells me it might be okay but to be cautious.

The problem, however, is that science in the US is often funded by Pharma companies or the government (which is funded by Pharma lobbyists) which could possibly direct research towards favoring one thing over the other. While I do believe that science is mostly honest and upright, there have been violations in the past and wouldn't be so hard to picture it happening now either.

I have my suspicions but until anything can actually be proven then what can you do but trust your instincts AND keep yourself informed.

Agreed, but the problem is that as you have already said or implied, the system is corrupted, so in order to keep informed, one has to search for non-official research, which means someone on an internet forum is going to call you a tin hat wearing conspiracy nut, because apparently "most" doctors will disagree with you.

Ironically, "most" doctors are by the nature of the beast, in the pockets of Big Pharma and/or just go by what their peers tell them and do not want to shake the boat, read: selfish and ignorant....

[Drake]

Drake, sometimes the majority can be wrong.

In the realm of opinions, politics, and more subjective areas, I agree.

But in something so extensively tested, researched, and so heavily agreed upon, I find it to be highly unlikely in this case.

[Hardwork108]

In the realm of opinions, politics, and more subjective areas, I agree.

But in something so extensively tested, researched, and so heavily agreed upon, I find it to be highly unlikely in this case.

Scientists have their own "opinions" and "dogma".

We always see medicines recalled because they have caused harmful effects, including deaths of patients. All inspite of "extensive" research.

We have seen old scientific explanations for phenomenon discarded, even when they were extensively researched during their time.

We were told by many scientists that no life forms other than us could exist in o ur solar system, by scientists. Now the consesus seems to be that it there is likely to be life forms on other planets in our system, even if microscobic.

We were told by scientific research that certain elements had to be present for life, now we have found out that there are bacterias that feed of Arsenic, a poisonous substance. Then one wonders, what else can microorganisms feed of?

Then assuming that all life on this planet started as micro organisms, one wonders how life could have evolved in planets that would have been presumed unhospitable just a short while back.

We have chemicals researched extensivley all the time, yet we have poisons such as fluoride in many drinking water systems in Western countries. We have the other poisonous substance, Aspartame (courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld - a past employee of the company that produces it) in our food chain.

As mentioned before. "Extensive" scientific research results can be manipulated to reflect the desires of the people who are funding the research.

It is corrupt world out there, no smiling, BS-ing, bought and paid for politician is going to change my mind about it.

There are honest people out there too, but their honesty is shadowed by a mine field of lies, deceptions and smoke screens.

[Drake]

I'm not going to argue with you on this. They've done real laboratory research. You have not. Guess who I'm going to believe?

You basically made the blanket statement that because one person within set x is doing something, all items of all sets are doing the same. And then you have the lack of wisdom to go ahead, without even bothering to research it, and accuse doctors and scientists of lying, and instead siding with those who have no academic knowledge whatsoever, but have a great super sci-fi story.

[Hardwork108]

I'm not going to argue with you on this. They've done real laboratory research. You have not. Guess who I'm going to believe?

You basically made the blanket statement that because one person within set x is doing something, all items of all sets are doing the same. And then you have the lack of wisdom to go ahead, without even bothering to research it, and accuse doctors and scientists of lying, and instead siding with those who have no academic knowledge whatsoever, but have a great super sci-fi story.

I have just said things the way they are. If you were ill and came to me, I would recommend you to see a doctor. I might send you to a Traditional Chinese Doctor, or a recommende herbalist, but depending your problem, I might recommend a "Western" doctor, and yes, there are good ones amongst them.

Ultimately though, I would recommend you to get second and third opinions from the different approaches mentioned, because just like not all Western doctors are corrupt and clueless, not all "alternative" medicine is mumbo jumbo. :)

[Fa Xing]

Agreed, but the problem is that as you have already said or implied, the system is corrupted, so in order to keep informed, one has to search for non-official research, which means someone on an internet forum is going to call you a tin hat wearing conspiracy nut, because apparently "most" doctors will disagree with you.

Ironically, "most" doctors are by the nature of the beast, in the pockets of Big Pharma and/or just go by what their peers tell them and do not want to shake the boat, read: selfish and ignorant....

Yeah, which is why I will always remain suspicious and question everything I see.

[sanjuro_ronin]

RE:Vaccines
The issue is really what types of virus can/should we get vaccinated from.
Obviously the ones like Rubella, measles, cholera and so forth are a given since we have been doing it ( in the places that do it) those virus have been all but irradicated ( as compared to those places where they still rare their ugly heads and kill many, many people every year).
I am sure that when the malaria vaccine gets approved that we will see that huge benefit of that one also.

It's easy for us in the vaccinated and industralized world to debate these things, but one need only go to those places where those diseases still run rampant to see the benefit of vaccination.

[David Jamieson]

The way the camera works is that it averages and removes light over time.

the flash is Mercury itself, but from the day before. the processing of the animation could not remove all the light and the artifact residual brightness is in fact the planet mercury in it's position from the day before.

I thought that JPL explained this already in the news?

[Fa Xing]

RE:Vaccines
The issue is really what types of virus can/should we get vaccinated from.
Obviously the ones like Rubella, measles, cholera and so forth are a given since we have been doing it ( in the places that do it) those virus have been all but irradicated ( as compared to those places where they still rare their ugly heads and kill many, many people every year).
I am sure that when the malaria vaccine gets approved that we will see that huge benefit of that one also.

It's easy for us in the vaccinated and industralized world to debate these things, but one need only go to those places where those diseases still run rampant to see the benefit of vaccination.

That to me is an important consideration, and one that I think often about what it must have been like over 100 years ago when vaccinating was not common even in the budding industrialized countries of the time. The small pox vaccine is an example of one that we no longer have to take (it was the first from the late 1700s, and where the name vaccine came from) because we erradicated the disease.

[sanjuro_ronin]

That to me is an important consideration, and one that I think often about what it must have been like over 100 years ago when vaccinating was not common even in the budding industrialized countries of the time. The small pox vaccine is an example of one that we no longer have to take (it was the first from the late 1700s, and where the name vaccine came from) because we erradicated the disease.

Unless of course you live in a multi-cultrual environment in which those that have NOT been vaccinated for it are going to the same schools with your kids.

Of course the chances are slim but they are slim but one wonders what they will be 20 or 30 years from now...

[Fa Xing]

Unless of course you live in a multi-cultrual environment in which those that have NOT been vaccinated for it are going to the same schools with your kids.

Of course the chances are slim but they are slim but one wonders what they will be 20 or 30 years from now...

Well, considering the fact that I am in Chiropractic school, I go to school with kids who have never been vaccinated themselves.

This leads us to whether or not these vaccines are needed or is it just a result of herd immunity?

[Drake]

Well, considering the fact that I am in Chiropractic school, I go to school with kids who have never been vaccinated themselves.

This leads us to whether or not these vaccines are needed or is it just a result of herd immunity?

It's all fun and games until they are exposed to the virus. Smallpox never hurt a single native american for centuries. Then it was brought over from Europe and killed 3/4 of the population.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well, considering the fact that I am in Chiropractic school, I go to school with kids who have never been vaccinated themselves.

This leads us to whether or not these vaccines are needed or is it just a result of herd immunity?

Like I say, we can debate them here and now.
Not so sure about here and 30 years from now, know what I mean?

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's all fun and games until they are exposed to the virus. Smallpox never hurt a single native american for centuries. Then it was brought over from Europe and killed 3/4 of the population.

Indeed:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5733a1.htm


the CDC released an update to its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) that demonstrates very clearly that the antivaccination movement is having an effect. Let’s put it this way. A mere eight years ago, measles was considered, in effect, eradicated from the U.S., thanks to a vigorous vaccination program and a very high vaccine uptake. All that remained were a handful, usually less than 100, cases of measles from outside the U.S. That’s all changing now:

The number of measles cases in the U.S. is at its highest level since 1997, and nearly half of those involve children whose parents rejected vaccination, government health officials reported Thursday.

The number of cases is still small, just 131, but that’s just for the first seven months of the year and doctors are troubled by the trend. There were only 42 cases for all of last year.

“We’re seeing a lot more spread. That is concerning to us,” said Dr. Jane Seward, of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Pediatricians are frustrated, saying they are having to spend more time convincing parents the shot is safe.

“This year, we certainly have had parents asking more questions,” said Dr. Ari Brown, an Austin, Texas, physician who is a spokeswoman for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The CDC’s review found that a number of cases involved home-schooled children not required to have the vaccines.

[...]

It is no longer endemic to the United States, but every year some Americans pick it up while traveling abroad and bring it home. Measles epidemics have exploded in Israel, Switzerland and some other countries. But high U.S. childhood vaccination rates have prevented major outbreaks here.

In a typical year, only one outbreak occurs in the United States, infecting perhaps 10 to 20 people. So far this year through July 30 the country has seen seven outbreaks, including one in Illinois with 30 cases, said Seward, deputy director of the CDC’s Division of Viral Diseases.

None of the 131 patients died, but 15 were hospitalized.

[Fa Xing]

It's all fun and games until they are exposed to the virus. Smallpox never hurt a single native american for centuries. Then it was brought over from Europe and killed 3/4 of the population.

Which is why I fall on the side herd immunity unless there is further evidence to the contrary. I went through a phase where I was planning on not vaccinating kids but as I learned more, it became apparent that it might just percentage-wise be safer to vaccinate.

[Fa Xing]

Like I say, we can debate them here and now.
Not so sure about here and 30 years from now, know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely, the recent pertussus (whooping cough) breakout here in California may actually demonstrate our immunity is a lot more fragile than we'd like to admit.

[Drake]

Which is why I fall on the side herd immunity unless there is further evidence to the contrary. I went through a phase where I was planning on not vaccinating kids but as I learned more, it became apparent that it might just percentage-wise be safer to vaccinate.

We've been witnessing resurgences of diseases as a result of the anti-vaccine movement. Check out the MMR fandango in the UK. It's on the rise in the US too, because of one fraudulent doctor who has already been called out for unethical and poor research, and disproven by nearly everyone, including a large number of those who don't have "special interests".

[David Jamieson]

Canada is seeing a resurgence in diseases we thought were gone decades ago.

This is due to an influx of immigrants carrying the diseases, a declining economic system (homeless shelters are breeding grounds for communicable diseases) and yes, ignorance and anti vaccination types who because the science is too much for their understanding, they reject outright as some cabal to cleanse the world.

Well that ain't working, since vaccinations, there has been a huge boom in human population and the mortality rate has dropped lower than ever.