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Hardwork108
12-19-2011, 01:51 AM
Yep, if you have woken up to the fact that you have been robbed and discarded by the system and you are protesting, then watch this video on how to be more street wise, in order not to have your protest hijacked and manipulated towards what the Bankers were looking to get in the first place:

It is very well presented and will be an eye opener. for those who want their eyes open!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9A2IGShuk



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Hardwork108
12-19-2011, 11:50 AM
I was tempted but part 1 and 2 were 70 MB each. Then I refreshed my memory with Wiki - this is the alien reptile guy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
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Does he stil wear a tinfoil hat? Or is it a Red Dress?
Neither, I am afraid. He has been spot on with most of what he has said so far. The other stuff, we need to wait and see, but what concerns me is the reality of the corruption we live in, which has been exposed by the likes of David Icke and others, but instead of being thanked by the population they are warning, they have been labelled by the usual "tin hat wearing", "wack job" labels.
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Pity he discredits himself, because describing America as a one party state is quite accurate..
You will find that it is more the "opposition", that is the powers that be and their media, that are doing most of the discrediting.

Anyway, his words in that video were SPOT ON. Too many times have we had valid protest by the people that have been hijacked and led into a direction that suited the power elite. So, is advice has been listened to by those who are taking on the banking cartels.



the Corporate Party owned by the rich of which the politicians are chosen and groomed by the rich, bankrolled by the rich, 'elected" by the people (from the choices the rich give them - just like in Communist China) and the resulting elected party serves the rich while blindsiding and providing theater for the public.

There are two economies in North America - the economy of the Rich which is doing spectacular and the economy of the non-wealth owners is doing 'miserably' and will continue to do worse and worse as the rich take more and more economic power and whittle that 2-5 percent of wealth ownership of the lower 98 percent down to .05 percent.
The better the 'economy' (of the rich) the worse it is for Americans,, and vice versa.
So ... to get better things have to get worse. ;)
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Whatever the MSM says is good for the economy (of the rich), is in fact bad(for the economy of the population), and vice versa , because of course the MSM is the mouthpiece of the rich.
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The Wall street Bankers - just some of the executive mandarins of the rich and a few fall guys they are not, to the best of my knowledge , the elite -though it is hard to get accurate data on the power elite.
Very well put! :)

Now prepare yourself for the indoctrinated single neurons of this forum, who may come out and call you a tin hat wearing, whack job.;)

Syn7
12-20-2011, 07:35 PM
come on now. remember when you were promoting alex jones inside info on the big takeover that will begin last summer with oil barrells hitting 150? remember that? the so called genuine inside source and all the "im telling you" speeches.

never happened. yall have this wonderful timeline that only adds up in retrospect when the nutthuggers scramle to define their latest failed prediction.

you take it too far. nothing with a grain of salt. and you start at a disadvantage because you WANT tio believe what you read. you first and biggest mistake.

Hardwork108
12-20-2011, 09:49 PM
come on now. remember when you were promoting alex jones inside info on the big takeover that will begin last summer with oil barrells hitting 150? remember that? the so called genuine inside source and all the "im telling you" speeches.

never happened. yall have this wonderful timeline that only adds up in retrospect when the nutthuggers scramle to define their latest failed prediction.
Actually, the takeover has been happening for a very long time and is happening while we are typing these messages back and forth. Me, hoping to get some sense through to you and wake you up from your "hibernations" and you doing your best to defend your comfortable "reality".

As for oil prices. I have never claimed any such predictions and I avoid them because if experts who work within the oil and financial industry get it wrong regularly, then I would not expect Alex Jones to get it right regularly either.

But nice try, anyway.....

Anyway, if you look around you will see that global centralization of power is well on its way. International threats are fabricated, and then international, or global if you like, solutions are presented, by the same people who have created those very problems. Examples are: "Global Warming"; "Threat from epidemics and pandemics"; "The War on Drugs"; "The World Financial Crisis", and of course, the unforgettable "Threat of attack from alcoholic islamic terrorists"...LOL!

All of the above problems "requirew" international solutions, then you have the building blocks of world government, that is, the New World Order, which is already in the open, because elite politicians are not only admitting to it, but saying that it is a good thing.

Other facts. The US Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL. It is in charge of printing US dollars, when the US government is allowed to do so by its own Constitution. So, why have a private bank that will charge you interest on the money it prints should be in charge of such an important aspect of governance? Who are the shareholders of this bank? Good questions, why not try and find out, eh?


you take it too far. nothing with a grain of salt. and you start at a disadvantage because you WANT tio believe what you read. you first and biggest mistake.
Hey, you can believe, or not believe whatever you want, but facts remain facts. You live in a dictatorship. There are no free elections, and people's rights are being erroded as we speak, because of all the threats mentioned above. We are also heading for cashless society, if the powers that be get away with it.

All of these are facts, but feel free to split hairs and not see the wood for the trees!

Hardwork108
12-21-2011, 01:18 PM
China is very wealthy, so is America. Farmers in Guangxi have an enormous wealth of produce, they are simply not re-imbursed for it adequately The point of denying wealth and prosperity to the masses is to have control over the masses. It's very sad - in fact the masses do not know from what they have been disinherited - not just a better sofa and a comfortable life it's far more than that - it's to have the inheritance of the World's culture, to develop fully and as an individual and to contribute to humanity. But instead they are relegated to brute surviving minimal surviving and mostly simply not surviving.



In fact the disinheritance of prosperity for the masses is a crime against humanity - and a murderous crime for the millions upon millions in North America die early for lack - lack of safety, lack of adequate environment - for the creation of dangerous environments for the lack of medicine and health care (In all of CanAmerica) etc etc.
The catalog the crimes of the elite would be an enormous undertaking for crimes of repression at home and abroad. . They need to all be put on trial , with the death penalty at stake - it is only fair they should receive what they have given.

Elite ownership of wealth is not capitalism, - we may have had a little capitalism once but it is more likely to understand that we simply inherited a ruling class system from the times of brute force - a ruling class system that with the help of technology is becoming even more absolute than Orwell could have dreamed - without economic freedom political freedom becomes meaningless - but it will go as well.
The Aldous Huxley Lecture from Berkley is still online - it is still useful to listen to today.
Aldous Huxley speaks at Cal Berkeley, 1962 (http://tribes.tribe.net/infobunker/thread/2cdea7ff-9397-49bd-9aa7-0950a9add86a)

(Transcript and Audio)

I think the full version is on Youtube but i think it is only audio set to slides.
Aldous Huxley - Mind Control Lecture at Berkeley (1 of 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usoNrfr62Ok)

He made a good discussion about the use of hard (EG Nazi's, North Korea)and soft (EG Burgeoning-->(CanAmerica, UK), Brave New World) in the maintenance of totalitarian states - I think he said that neither technique suffices entirely.
Intriguing was the statement 40 percent will go along with authority no matter what that authority is.
The new 'Soma' in CanAmerica is psychotropic drugs with now forcible compliance legislation enacted in all of CanAmerica for all those misfits who fail to 'fit in' at various institutions - prisons, schools, workplaces etc, Currently Big Pharma is targeting a modest 30-50 percent of the population.
So sad. people used to have minds and emotions, now they are paxilated, lobotomized.
Remember in Body snatchers II when Donald Sutherland pointed his finger and sounded the alien alarm.
"Ask not for whom the finger points, it points for thee.'

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Politics are controlled simply by ownership of the mass media. The politicians of all parties in CanAmerica are elected (or the choice thereof) in direct proportion to the corporate funding contributions which are used into finance mas media advertising. And the corporations are the economic tools of the elite. So it is a closed system. For all the Wall street protesters and those who sympathize with them and all the G20 protesters there is no representation and any political party whatsoever - in fact there is not political representation for the urgent and direct needs of 95 percent of the population.
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But it doesn't matter because the idea of ownership means the masse swill listen to what the owners say, so any voices of truth are meaningless - it has to be on TV and repeated by the voice of Authority to be real.

Is amazing how people let the voices of others into their living rooms , treat the TV channels as the Voice of God, and yet have no idea who it is that is talking to them. Who owns these various TV networks and what business and political interests do these owners represent or are allied to? This is never discussed on the MSM itself.
Who owns the NYT, ABC, NBC,CFTO, Global - almost nobody knows. And for Canuks - who appoints the directors of CBC radio and TV? And form what base do they draw these people?
Your 'trusted news" yet less than .01 percent of the population knows who they and they never tell you! are even I researching on ownership come up zilch empty-handed many many times.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00m3x6b/Hardtalk_Mark_Lewis_Lawyer_for_phone_hacking_victi ms/

The tag-line here is ridiculous - the press may be 'free and vibrant' simply because they freely and vibrantly day what their bosses want them to say - if they have differing opinions they end up like Mark - in fact they never get that far. As for the 'people" , the people have no voice and the people don't have any reporters representing them. -


Case in point about the UK is seeing the obvious anti-Israeli and anti-semitic bent of all their news information. You can see it clearly when their programs are bounced back over in the North America. And you can see what happens when something truthful gets in and it is quickly snipped or bent because if goes agaisnt established policy of demonizing Israel. There is no plurality whatsoever.
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Who is that press working for it makes me wonder certainly they are 'free and vibrant' for $omeone. I researched to find The Church of England as holding key executive posts on the BBC executive that determines editorial policy. So that has to be the British establishment itself engaged in economic war and firmly in control of the 'thought' of the British Isles.
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Is the system open to reform?. Do the people have a voice? Do the people control their leaders?
Can anyone really do anything except catalog the approaching Technological Singularity - the Ultimate Dystopia?


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The people who own or can use the media have political control no matter what That's easily demonstrated by the 'democratically' distorted elections in Italy and South America.
Before the internet , you could write a letter to the editor of a news paper which might appear some days or weeks later if they liked it.
Now you can express yourself (as least for a while) in the sunshine of the Internet and be ignored or memory-holed .. so long a you are careful because the CIS and Homeland Security are logging all dissents eve worse than the Stazi ever did because of the amazing power of binary storage.
Yes , you especially you who thinks 'why me? I'm nobody' - the CIS had a file of all youse guys even a year before the last G20 in Toronto, better STFU eh? Too late! once it's in digital it doesn't go away. You probably tripped their software already - you are doomed.
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I listened to a story from a guy in Texas - got fired from a mall because he had said on a political forum that he was a commie or something like that. It was a really lunatic forum - surrealistic - no practical sense anyway. Someone knew who he was and told his employer. (Never let RL know your personal Cyber Life it'll kill you- they'll find a way.).
It wasn't even serious because it meant nothing - it was just like kid talk. But the Mall organization said he wasn't covered by constitutional right for free speech you see because they had a special legal contract with all their employees and the state soemhow that meant anyone they thought was a threat or a bad image for them could be terminated. Something like that - or in other words "Blah, blah blah - we own the law we are the law - GTFO and die'

This is what has been happening while all youse are electing your Dems and Repubs and they are putting on Mickey Mouse Theatre for youse - they are fixing the laws behind the scenes with the rich to help the rich own you.
If you want to know more about that catch the DVD "The Corporation" extended version has about 20 hours of documentaries.

http://www.thecorporation.com/
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End of story - end of your story .
That is all.

Thank you for your insightful post and information.

I am afraid most people in this forum will not even bother to read your post. After all their version of truth are dictated to them by CNN, ABC, NBC, etc.

Others among them fall back on their university degrees as a way of grasping at straws as regards their intellectuality. Of course, there are the Free Mason members of society - the men of "god", if you will - who think that they know the deal, and of course, it is only their higher level members in the food chain that are more informed and that is because they play their parts in engineering all of this mayhem we see around us.

Yes, "men of god" who engineer wars, mass looting and murder, but somehow the blind don't see it, because their evening news (owned by these same psychopaths) does not pound the truth into their heads, night in night out.

It is amazing that there are still people over 7 years of age still believing that they live in "democracies"; that they have choice; that the Western powers give d@mn about their rights, or the rights of the people in other parts of the world.

Good news is that there are more and more people waking up to this age old scam, and that may be the reason for the increased velocity of the global centralization of power and all the other attempts at mayhem we see, in order to distract us.

Anyway, I have not had time to check out your links. I will as soon as I get some free time.

Thanks again.

Dragonzbane76
12-21-2011, 04:24 PM
awww.... you guys should get married...match made in heaven...:)

Syn7
12-21-2011, 04:44 PM
so how does britain pulling out of the EU fit into your view?

and yeah man, you posted the vids about the oil prices and told us we were naive when we laughed at you. im not gonna go look for the post, so dont ask. either you know what im talking about or your memeroy really is that short.


and seriously, israel needs to start fending for itsel;f if it wants to be such a hard ass. i can understand why they dont want rockets landing in tel aviv every night but come on, starving out the strip is no answer. it just breeds more hatred. righteous hatred at that. most of the people on the strip have no say in their lives. rock throwers are hardly a national threat.

on the other hand, maybe tghey should look within for a minute and have it out with hamas once and for all. elect a real government. alas, it will never happen as long as israel keeps up the blockade. no faith, no love, no peace. its gonna take a real act of courage to end this one. infact this is one of the only situations i can think of that doesnt require violence as a means to a peaceful end.

Hardwork108
12-21-2011, 05:10 PM
so how does britain pulling out of the EU fit into your view?

There has always been opposition to the EU in the Uk. I mean not everyone in that country is a member of the Micky Mouse club, like certain members of this forum - romantic ones included.:D

However, lets wait and see if Britain does manage to pull of the EU and then we can examine and discuss the situation.


nd yeah man, you posted the vids about the oil prices and told us we were naive when we laughed at you. im not gonna go look for the post, so dont ask. either you know what im talking about or your memeroy really is that short.

I hazard a guess that the documentary was not specifically about oil price forcasts? LOL!

As I said before, I don't concern myself with forcasts. Even the experts get them wrong. I look at the big picture and as far as I am concerned I, and others are on the dot, with that one!



and seriously, israel needs to start fending for itsel;f if it wants to be such a hard ass. i can understand why they dont want rockets landing in tel aviv every night but come on, starving out the strip is no answer. it just breeds more hatred. righteous hatred at that. most of the people on the strip have no say in their lives. rock throwers are hardly a national threat.

on the other hand, maybe tghey should look within for a minute and have it out with hamas once and for all. elect a real government. alas, it will never happen as long as israel keeps up the blockade. no faith, no love, no peace. its gonna take a real act of courage to end this one. infact this is one of the only situations i can think of that doesnt require violence as a means to a peaceful end.

As far as Israel is concerned, then it was created and is run by the same elements that are running your own countries - The private banking cartel controlled mainly by the Rothschilds Banking Dynasty!

MightyB
12-22-2011, 08:39 AM
The sad part is that I think the global conspiracy was more of an accident than a planned event. Poor decisions, poor planning, and a severe lack of accounting for human nature and greed led to a few opportunists seizing power. There's definitely social engineering at work now, and the power elite do exist and are the real puppet masters. Anybody who doesn't believe that really is a fool. I'd say the corporations themselves (they are individuals after all) are the real controllers. I do believe they are organisms unto themselves. The problem is that you can't anthropomorphize them because they are not human. For lack of a better term, "Satan" is the ghost in the machine. "Satan" in the sense that profit above all else is the overlying theme of the corporate monster, and it's protected by the 14th amendment. Profit will lead to cost externalization, bought off politicians, controlled masses through careful use of language and popular culture, indoctrination through education (privatized), destroying faith in the government (after all, gov is by the people and people are the only thing that could stand in the way of the corporate beast's insatiable hunger for profit above all else - so it's better to make the people distrust and hate their democratic government by infiltrating it, sabotage, and ultimately controlling it). But, as in the Matrix, being part of the system, plugged in so to speak, is easier than not being plugged in. That's why we won't see change. I can't predict how bad it's going to get. At some point, even the social engineers have to let up because they are outnumbered.

Good call on "The Corporation". Love that movie - I'm a fan of Chomsky. I'll have to look at the other speakers and lectures you guys posted.

Drake
12-22-2011, 08:51 AM
Speculating about something, and then calling someone a fool for not sharing your speculations, makes you the fool.

If you are being controlled, it is because you are letting yourself be controlled. Nobody is shoving that twinkie down your throat, making you watch sitcoms, or do whatever.

You are dramaticizing your own disappointment with the choices you have made.

It's like that South Park episode, where everyone is blaming Wal-Mart for making them who they are, and at the heart of the store, there's a mirror.

The fact that you can post about being controlled by a super subversive group of elites who control everything you do is a contradiction in itself.

MightyB
12-22-2011, 08:58 AM
Speculating about something, and then calling someone a fool for not sharing your speculations, makes you the fool.

If you are being controlled, it is because you are letting yourself be controlled. Nobody is shoving that twinkie down your throat, making you watch sitcoms, or do whatever.

You are dramaticizing your own disappointment with the choices you have made.

It's like that South Park episode, where everyone is blaming Wal-Mart for making them who they are, and at the heart of the store, there's a mirror.

The fact that you can post about being controlled by a super subversive group of elites who control everything you do is a contradiction in itself.

That's the beauty of it - You have to admire the brilliance inherit in the system. Start with Noam Chomsky, watch both the "1 percent" and "The Corporation" - and then see where your studies will take you. What you'll find amazing is how the current GOP agenda matches with Chomsky's - in some cases - 20 to 30 year old writings on globalization, propaganda, and control. I don't point to an individual as a controller, I see it as more of the "ghost in the machine" that we've created. Unrestrained capitalism isn't great for people because we made it that way.

Drake
12-22-2011, 09:03 AM
You cannot deny that these are not static social structures. One from the "99%" can become a member of the "1%" with clever thinking, marketing, and business skills.

There will always be an "elite" of wealthy individuals, and naturally, like anyone else, they will place their family first. The key to freedom and capitalism is that anyone can attain that position in the elite. Anyone, regardless of how poor they were when they began. This is a dramatic shift from the way it WAS, where if you were born poor, you were most certainly doomed to die poor, regardless of your efforts or ingenuity.

What we have now is people demanding they get all the wealth from the 1% through crying and whining, instead of forging their own way to the top.

MightyB
12-22-2011, 09:13 AM
You cannot deny that these are not static social structures. One from the "99%" can become a member of the "1%" with clever thinking, marketing, and business skills.

There will always be an "elite" of wealthy individuals, and naturally, like anyone else, they will place their family first. The key to freedom and capitalism is that anyone can attain that position in the elite. Anyone, regardless of how poor they were when they began. This is a dramatic shift from the way it WAS, where if you were born poor, you were most certainly doomed to die poor, regardless of your efforts or ingenuity.

What we have now is people demanding they get all the wealth from the 1% through crying and whining, instead of forging their own way to the top.

It's the attack on the tools that allow one to go from the 99% to the 1% that you perceive as whining that we all should be concerned about. Progressive reforms were put in place by FDR and other reformists - these were good for America - these led to prosperity for all and the creation of the middle class and the American Dream. These are what are under direct threat by the 1%. There's a track record showing that the GOP's idea for reform is bad for the middle class. Friedman was a fool and a true a-hole.

Drake
12-22-2011, 09:20 AM
It's the attack on the tools that allow one to go from the 99% to the 1% that you perceive as whining that we all should be concerned about. Progressive reforms were put in place by FDR and other reformists - these were good for America - these led to prosperity for all and the creation of the middle class and the American Dream. These are what are under direct threat by the 1%. There's a track record showing that the GOP's idea for reform is bad for the middle class. Friedman was a fool and a true a-hole.

It also created a class dependent upon welfare, unwilling to advance, as their needs were met by the state. It can be argued that paying someone not to work is also a detriment to economic growth and the American concept that "hard work pays off". Instead, welfare has become a system in which a few honest people are given a break during hard times, while a much larger group feeds upon the revenue generated by the "doers". That too undermines the American Dream.

The GOP, however, does not follow this ethos, and thusly, are not true conservatives. The philosophy of earning your way does not equate into the GOP motto, so let's keep these two concepts separate.

MightyB
12-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Anyone, regardless of how poor they were when they began. This is a dramatic shift from the way it WAS, where if you were born poor, you were most certainly doomed to die poor, regardless of your efforts or ingenuity.


Tell this to an inner city youth from a poor family... understand that - eroding the tax base so we could give more to the top "job creators" bullsh*t... cough - through incentives, reduction in income taxes, etc - means that roads and infrastructure are sh*t, their free education system is bust and under constant attack through even more reductions, that access to 2ndary education is getting more unattainable through rising costs (again eroding the tax base that helped control the costs), healthcare is nonexistent and laughable in some cases, food assistance for these kids - gone - so how the f*ck can they be expected to rise above it?

The poor are under constant attack, being told it's their fault

for example lets say a local defense contractor sucked up all of our money that was supposed to go to education, roads, and healthcare because our government had to give tax incentives to keep them in the area. This contractor off shored and shutdown after they took our money because they could get a marginal 2% profit by off shoring even though they are profitable. This is trickle down theory at work.

This crap continues to go on, we believe and allow trickle down theory bs tactics... why?

wenshu
12-22-2011, 09:30 AM
I hate to break it to you, but . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQM8UKgt3Qs

Drake
12-22-2011, 09:37 AM
Tell this to an inner city youth from a poor family... understand that - eroding the tax base so we could give more to the top "job creators" bullsh*t... cough - through incentives, reduction in income taxes, etc - means that roads and infrastructure are sh*t, their free education system is bust and under constant attack through even more reductions, that access to 2ndary education is getting more unattainable through rising costs (again eroding the tax base that helped control the costs), healthcare is nonexistent and laughable in some cases, food assistance for these kids - gone - so how the f*ck can they be expected to rise above it?

The poor are under constant attack, being told it's their fault

for example lets say a local defense contractor sucked up all of our money that was supposed to go to education, roads, and healthcare because our government had to give tax incentives to keep them in the area. This contractor off shored and shutdown after they took our money because they could get a marginal 2% profit by off shoring even though they are profitable. This is trickle down theory at work.

This crap continues to go on, we believe and allow trickle down theory bs tactics... why?

I grew up in a dirt poor neighborhood. My home was rotting, and we spent a lot of time without power or heat. I'm now making good money and own a hybrid SUV. Other CHOSE to stay poor. They flat out refused to go to college, or do anything except either live off welfare or work at McDonalds. That was 100% their choice.

And defense contractors CAN'T suck up money like that. Two different pots of money altogether. They never took anything. That doesn't even make sense. And defense contractors, such as BAH, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing employ thousands of Americans.

MightyB
12-22-2011, 09:37 AM
It also created a class dependent upon welfare, unwilling to advance, as their needs were met by the state. It can be argued that paying someone not to work is also a detriment to economic growth and the American concept that "hard work pays off". Instead, welfare has become a system in which a few honest people are given a break during hard times, while a much larger group feeds upon the revenue generated by the "doers". That too undermines the American Dream.

The GOP, however, does not follow this ethos, and thusly, are not true conservatives. The philosophy of earning your way does not equate into the GOP motto, so let's keep these two concepts separate.

The number of systematic abusers was always small. Nobody wants to be stuck in perpetual poverty. The majority of people who were truly dependent on the system were children, mentally ill, and the elderly. But that doesn't matter, because "they" whoever they are, are getting what they want. Social Darwinism on a scale not seen since ****ens... only this time it's worse, because the very poor and disenfranchised that the system is killing believe and defend the BS and Propaganda of the elite.

David Jamieson
12-22-2011, 09:44 AM
The amount of people abusing welfare has virtually zero effect on the economy and taxes. It is practically negligible.

the people who need welfare are many. They are old, they are young, they are disabled or mentally challenged.

Maybe it is the sheer amount of helpless people that makes the nihilists bare their teeth and call for their rubbing out? I don't know, but when I read someone going on about welfare recipients, It is THEM who I see as the crux of the problem and the barrier to moving forward in equanimity.

Sneering and jeering at the poor and unable is the mark of a true coward.

these people are already in a bind and I'm sure they don't need more stigma from someone, anyone who is simply not in their position. It's not like you couldn't be there within a few lost pay cheques and a few missed or stolen opportunities.

Drake
12-22-2011, 10:01 AM
The amount of people abusing welfare has virtually zero effect on the economy and taxes. It is practically negligible.

the people who need welfare are many. They are old, they are young, they are disabled or mentally challenged.

Maybe it is the sheer amount of helpless people that makes the nihilists bare their teeth and call for their rubbing out? I don't know, but when I read someone going on about welfare recipients, It is THEM who I see as the crux of the problem and the barrier to moving forward in equanimity.

Sneering and jeering at the poor and unable is the mark of a true coward.

these people are already in a bind and I'm sure they don't need more stigma from someone, anyone who is simply not in their position. It's not like you couldn't be there within a few lost pay cheques and a few missed or stolen opportunities.



You are generalizing as well. I recall working next to a lady during my factory labor days. She was unhappy with me telling her what to do, and flat out told me "I don't have to work, because I have children!" You are romanticizing the poor as a huddled masses of eldery women and hungry babies, when I have grown up around them, and I know what they are like. Unambitious, generally lazy, and possess such a negative outlook on life, that they have no trouble beating you down if it meant $5 in their pocket. I lived in that environment for the first 20+ years of my life, and I know it better than most.

In a bind? They should have thought about that before dropping out of high school, breaking into that house, or telling their boss to go %$#& themselves because they didn't want to work late. That's the reality I saw. I don't know where you got yours.

Syn7
12-22-2011, 04:06 PM
It's the attack on the tools that allow one to go from the 99% to the 1% that you perceive as whining that we all should be concerned about. Progressive reforms were put in place by FDR and other reformists - these were good for America - these led to prosperity for all and the creation of the middle class and the American Dream. These are what are under direct threat by the 1%. There's a track record showing that the GOP's idea for reform is bad for the middle class. Friedman was a fool and a true a-hole.

word.

but to suggest its all the brainchild of grandpappy rothschilds is a wee bit paranoid, doncha think?

i agree with lots of what you say. what i dont agree with are the simple people who see patterns everywhere they look and assume its a conspiracy to take from them. how fukcing arrogant is that. naturally, some is real, most is not.

Syn7
12-22-2011, 04:13 PM
The amount of people abusing welfare has virtually zero effect on the economy and taxes. It is practically negligible.

the people who need welfare are many. They are old, they are young, they are disabled or mentally challenged.

Maybe it is the sheer amount of helpless people that makes the nihilists bare their teeth and call for their rubbing out? I don't know, but when I read someone going on about welfare recipients, It is THEM who I see as the crux of the problem and the barrier to moving forward in equanimity.

Sneering and jeering at the poor and unable is the mark of a true coward.

these people are already in a bind and I'm sure they don't need more stigma from someone, anyone who is simply not in their position. It's not like you couldn't be there within a few lost pay cheques and a few missed or stolen opportunities.

Well said, man. I was thinking along those lines and was gonna post, but why bother now, ay.

Syn7
12-22-2011, 04:17 PM
You are generalizing as well. I recall working next to a lady during my factory labor days. She was unhappy with me telling her what to do, and flat out told me "I don't have to work, because I have children!" You are romanticizing the poor as a huddled masses of eldery women and hungry babies, when I have grown up around them, and I know what they are like. Unambitious, generally lazy, and possess such a negative outlook on life, that they have no trouble beating you down if it meant $5 in their pocket. I lived in that environment for the first 20+ years of my life, and I know it better than most.

In a bind? They should have thought about that before dropping out of high school, breaking into that house, or telling their boss to go %$#& themselves because they didn't want to work late. That's the reality I saw. I don't know where you got yours.

so your mom was a hooker using the food money for crack then? daddy beat yall then left for good? is that how hard you had it drake? who taught you your work ethic?

you may have been poor, but something tells me you had other advantages. maybe a lil love, or something trivial like that.

poverty is a self perpetuating cycle with very few willing participants. nmost trapped by their own ignorance. how do we fix that? by wiping them out? or just letting them suffer till they shape up or die? what?

i wanna know what YOUR solutions are?

Drake
12-22-2011, 05:16 PM
so your mom was a hooker using the food money for crack then? daddy beat yall then left for good? is that how hard you had it drake? who taught you your work ethic?

you may have been poor, but something tells me you had other advantages. maybe a lil love, or something trivial like that.

poverty is a self perpetuating cycle with very few willing participants. nmost trapped by their own ignorance. how do we fix that? by wiping them out? or just letting them suffer till they shape up or die? what?

i wanna know what YOUR solutions are?

Everything I earned, I earned myself. No love, nobody pushing me forward to do great things. I did it on my own. No helping hands or any crap like that. There's a reason I haven't spoken to blood relatives in over 15 years. Nice job trying to write my past for me, though.

I learned my work ethic in the Army, if you must know.

The solution lies in the individual. It's not my job to teach them what I figured out on my own, and it's not my job to pay your rent, when there was nobody around to pay mine.

Drake
12-23-2011, 09:00 AM
Speculation should not be stated as fact.

And narcissism isn't art.

Drake
12-23-2011, 10:02 AM
And you still aren't actually saying anything. It's just like HW, where you can rant and rant, and never feel obliged to prove anything, but simply try to win support through fear mongering and some covert threat. No proof needed. Just panic and alarm.

bawang
12-23-2011, 11:10 AM
how are americans poor? i never saw any american starve to death.

Drake
12-23-2011, 11:22 AM
how are americans poor? i never saw any american starve to death.

You'll never starve if you can deal with the idea of eating people.

Drake
12-23-2011, 12:57 PM
Again... no facts. Just assumptions.

Fluff it up all you like, and force regular folks to run to their thesauruses, it makes no difference. You aren't providing any evidence, only speculation.

All I'm getting is that you don't like other people being rich and influencing the environment around them, when you know **** well all those poor "protestors" would do exactly the same were they in the same position.

You can make judgment calls about my propaganda all you like. The truth of the matter is, I don't discriminate. I hate you all.

Drake
12-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Super-easy question.

Can a poor person become a millionaire?

or even a less difficult question...

Can a poor person make it to middle/upper class wages?

or even easier...

Can someone working at McDonalds eventually make it to management, which offers much better wages and benefits?


And the easiest one yet!

Can these folks attend college using generous state and federal grants to improve their job skills and earn better jobs?

You are using hyberbole and lies to promote an untrue scenario. ANYBODY can become rich in this country. It's all about choice. There are enough safety nets, grants, gov't assistance, and opportunities that there really isn't much of an excuse.

It's a flat out lie to say that people are stuck flipping burgers all their life. If they can't even make it to shift manager, much less store manager, then that's THEIR lack of motivation and work ethic kicking in. I watched cashiers at Wal-Mart move up to section manager, and then store manager, all within two years. WHY? Because they wanted it.

Drake
12-23-2011, 01:52 PM
If you are a slave, it is because you WANT to be. It's a choice you make. If you want to be controlled, then there's no shortage of those willing to control you.

But you tell them to go play hide and go %$#@ themselves, and take control of your own life, you are utterly free to do so.

Hardwork108
12-23-2011, 02:22 PM
Super-easy question.

Can a poor person become a millionaire?
Many times yes, and many times no!

The system is rigged. If everyone worked hard in a dedicated manner, without blowing their money on drugs and alcohol, as well as other silly activities, they would still not all become millionaires.

The simple truth is that the system still needs people to clean the streets and wash the dishes! Think, Pyramid! There just not enough room for everyone to be millionaires!

Furthermore, the system does not give two bits about the wealth and even the health of the man in the street. The system is all about the elite maintaining and increasing their control over the masses, while keeping them out of the decision making process as much as possible, by handing them fake candidates in fake elections, who then become fake "Presidents" and "leaders".


or even a less difficult question...

Can a poor person make it to middle/upper class wages?
Much easier.

However, pay attention to what has been happening to the middle class in the US and elsewhere in recent years.;)



Can someone working at McDonalds eventually make it to management, which offers much better wages and benefits?
Again, think Pyramid! There is no way you are going to have more chiefs than indians.





Can these folks attend college using generous state and federal grants to improve their job skills and earn better jobs?
Some can and some can't. Some of those who can't are total idiots with no ambition. Others, the more intelligent ones, can still be over distracted by mindless entertainment; the credit trap and other deliberate mechanisms deliberately designed to hijack their minds and divert them from a fruitful life.


You are using hyberbole and lies to promote an untrue scenario. ANYBODY can become rich in this country. It's all about choice. There are enough safety nets, grants, gov't assistance, and opportunities that there really isn't much of an excuse.

Have you ever heard of something called the "Economic Crisis". The same one that was created by the bankers that own your country and most of the world? The one that they the bankers were rewarded for by their puppet leaders/presidents, with trillions of dollars, much of it tax money? The same crisis that was designed to attack the middle class and to syphon wealth from their hands into the hands of the same bankers?

This is how it works. Increase circulation of money in a given economy. This creates confidence and high borrowing. Once you perceive that enough people are indebted to your banks, then you cut the flow of money in circualtion and then bingo, you have a crisis. Then in return for the money you have created out of thin air and lent to suckers, you get their businesses, homes and other property. Read: huge tranfer of wealth from people into the hands of the banks, or more accurately, BANKERS!

Of course, in this last crisis, the banks also received trillions of dollars of government "aid", for which the tax payers will still have to pay interest for. It was day time robbery of the public and a massive transfer of wealth from the masses to the bankers, but while it raised some alarm bells among certain sectors of the population, it did not manage to snap most people out of their constant hypnotic state.

I guess, they don't tell intelligence operatives anything nowadays......LOL!


It's a flat out lie to say that people are stuck flipping burgers all their life. If they can't even make it to shift manager, much less store manager, then that's THEIR lack of motivation and work ethic kicking in. I watched cashiers at Wal-Mart move up to section manager, and then store manager, all within two years. WHY? Because they wanted it.

You can want something as much as you want, but there are not enough management spots for everyone. Think pyramid! Also, it is kind of difficult to climb the ladder when people are being made redundant left, right and center. :rolleyes:

Drake
12-23-2011, 02:34 PM
I have worked at Wal-Mart, and it wasn't a bad job. I left, but my friend went from stockperson to department manager.

I'm not the one with a manifesto. And you didn't answer my questions. I would wager that you would prefer to keep the poor right where they are, because it seems you paint a bleak outlook, that unless they subscribe to nwhatever ideology it is you are preaching, they can never escape. Despite the fact that they have a large number of opportunities to do so.

So... answer those questions...

Hardwork108
12-23-2011, 02:39 PM
If you are a slave, it is because you WANT to be. It's a choice you make. If you want to be controlled, then there's no shortage of those willing to control you.

But you tell them to go play hide and go %$#@ themselves, and take control of your own life, you are utterly free to do so.

Are you saying that you are not a slave?

Some of the biggest slaves in the world are soldiers. They are usually indoctrinated into a system where they believe that they are doing the "right thing". They are also indoctrinated more than the rest of the population, because without them, the tyranny would collapse.

You are taken to far away lands and wether you want it or not, end up killing and maiming innocent human beings. Then you are told that these innocent deaths are necessary to get those nasty "terrorists", or to get rid of that nasty dictator.

Then when you are real close to the action, you are fed erroneous info, while faced by "enemies" who see you as an invador and try to kill you. You end up seeing friends and associates killed. You feel angry, threatened etc. Group psychology takes over, and you say to yourself, yes they were right, this place is full of nasty people which we should clean up.

So, you continue killing and getting killed, while those who have manipulated the whole affair laugh all the way to the bank (which usually belongs to them), like they always have, and WILL do, until the human race wakes up!

History is full of Drakes......

Lucas
12-23-2011, 02:42 PM
when i was homeless and starving i would just walk into safeway and take food. whats the worst that can happen? they arrest me and put me under a roof with a meal?

yes it was stealing, but meh. im sure safeway is surviving just fine.

Lucas
12-23-2011, 02:43 PM
I have worked at Wal-Mart, and it wasn't a bad job. I left, but my friend went from stockperson to department manager.

I'm not the one with a manifesto. And you didn't answer my questions. I would wager that you would prefer to keep the poor right where they are, because it seems you paint a bleak outlook, that unless they subscribe to nwhatever ideology it is you are preaching, they can never escape. Despite the fact that they have a large number of opportunities to do so.

So... answer those questions...

i decided to no longer be homeless, jobless, and poor. once i made the decision, and acted with full resolve to succeed, i succeeded. yes, i am white looking, and yes i think its easier for white people in many places over all in america.

Hardwork108
12-23-2011, 02:50 PM
i decided to no longer be homeless, jobless, and poor. once i made the decision, and acted with full resolve to succeed, i succeeded. yes, i am white looking, and yes i think its easier for white people in many places over all in america.

I agree that in Western society, it is relatively easy not to starve to death and to get out of poverty. One only needs the desire to work hard and accept whatever comes along in order to improve one's standard of living.

However, to say that everyone can be a millionaire is untrue.

Hardwork108
12-23-2011, 03:35 PM
..
You are calling me back at the same time discounting and turning a deaf ear?
That his usual tactic. You give him logic and facts, yet he will ignore it and continue to discredit you in a general way. His attempts to debunk actual facts are very transparent.

I guess they don't train intelligence officers the way they are supposed too.

Drake, if you are reading this, then what you are supposed to do is to agree in general to what we say, but up to a certain point and then try and disagree on the actual points that most threaten to reveal the conspiracy and corruption that you are defending in far away lands.

This way people reading the posts will be provided by red hearings and distractions.;)

Syn7
12-23-2011, 04:15 PM
Everything I earned, I earned myself. No love, nobody pushing me forward to do great things. I did it on my own. No helping hands or any crap like that. There's a reason I haven't spoken to blood relatives in over 15 years. Nice job trying to write my past for me, though.

I learned my work ethic in the Army, if you must know.

The solution lies in the individual. It's not my job to teach them what I figured out on my own, and it's not my job to pay your rent, when there was nobody around to pay mine.

i wasn't trying to write your past. i'm just saying the obvious. not everyone makes it through these harships in one peice. i did. you did. we can pat eachother on the backs all day for that but why not lend a hand to a fallen brother and help them do what you were able to do. i mean, really, what other choice is there? obviously some individuals arent getting it. what now? lance the wound? what? i wanna see you write it!

Syn7
12-23-2011, 04:21 PM
If you are a slave, it is because you WANT to be. It's a choice you make. If you want to be controlled, then there's no shortage of those willing to control you.

But you tell them to go play hide and go %$#@ themselves, and take control of your own life, you are utterly free to do so.

so what then? go all darwin and start weeding out the weak? control our own evolution and keep only what is strong and admirable? they are an infection after all, on that we can all agree i'm sure. it's harsh, but it's true. it spreads like an untreated infection.

saying "it's up to the individual" isn't saying anything. it's not working out, the plan is flawed. you studied tactics. at what point do you switch to plan B? before or after the genocide?

individualism isn't a solution, it's just a theory.

and i agree, too many people do abuse the system, but most are just stuck. for whatever reason.

Syn7
12-23-2011, 04:46 PM
yeah yeah, i asked drake. i know what your answer is.

Drake
12-23-2011, 04:54 PM
yeah yeah, i asked drake. i know what your answer is.

It requires a shift in cultural norms, and of expectations versus reality. No policy, president, or congress will be able to change it. You give them handouts, they expect it, and lose the concern that they should be trying to improve themselves. You can't starve them out, or eradicate them either, because that's lunacy, and not how we roll.

Everybody wants the government to solve this problem, when maybe the people should step back and realize they ARE the problem.

Syn7
12-23-2011, 04:57 PM
It requires a shift in cultural norms, and of expectations versus reality. No policy, president, or congress will be able to change it. You give them handouts, they expect it, and lose the concern that they should be trying to improve themselves. You can't starve them out, or eradicate them either, because that's lunacy, and not how we roll.

Everybody wants the government to solve this problem, when maybe the people should step back and realize they ARE the problem.

how, not what...


how, man, how?

and i agree, wiping these folks away is not cool. how do you get them to stop expecting it without cutting off their lifeline?

Drake
12-23-2011, 05:11 PM
how, not what...


how, man, how?

and i agree, wiping these folks away is not cool. how do you get them to stop expecting it without cutting off their lifeline?

I recall a program where we just made people work. You want a welfare check? Guess what...you are going to be sweeping the streets, helping with garbage collection, etc.... not full time or anything where they could feasibly gripe about deserving wages...

Other option, of course, would be to refuse the check. That's the closest thing a government can really do for them that isn't being done already.

Poor people have almost a free ride through their community colleges already.

Drake
12-23-2011, 06:50 PM
What in the HELL are you talking about?

Why do we have so many mong bat lunatics here? Does kung fu attract UFO chasing, Area 51 speculating, mark of the beast fearing nutbars?

My god, that had to have been the worst collection of logical fallacies I've seen in forever.

You don't HAVE to identify them. Are you even paying attention? You want welfare, you work. THAT SIMPLE.

How in the HELL does that correlate with microchips and nutbar conspiracy theories? We JUST blocked a bill that requires photo IDs to vote. And it was the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT that blocked it! You think a microchip program would last a SECOND?

Reality sucks, but its better than living in whatever bizarro zone you currently inhabit.

Drake
12-23-2011, 10:33 PM
Got it. Mong bat crazy.

This is like trying to teach a pig how to sing.

I'm done wasting my time on you, because like our other resident whack job, you just say the same thing over and over again, and when someone finally ends their discourse, sickened by the madness, you proudly parade around your victory flag.

NOBODY IS CONSIDERING MASS RFIDING ANYONE. YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY.

But what the %$&^ do I know... I'm just writing doctoral level papers on the stuff... couldn't possibly compete with an "internet scholar"

Now go watch Jack Van Impe and let me know when you've finally caved and noticed your sick dreams of some 1984 Orwellian paradise aren't happening. You could always pull the JC bit, and offer that "it won't happen in our lifetime".

Otherwise, I'm done with you. I have **** to do.

David Jamieson
12-24-2011, 07:03 AM
If you are a slave, it is because you WANT to be. It's a choice you make. If you want to be controlled, then there's no shortage of those willing to control you.

But you tell them to go play hide and go %$#@ themselves, and take control of your own life, you are utterly free to do so.

Truer words have not been written in this thread yet... :p

Drake
12-24-2011, 07:54 AM
Wolfen... what part of "I'm done with you" are you failing to grasp?

Drake
12-24-2011, 08:38 AM
False dillemma logical fallacy.

And now "Wolfen on ignore for the crime of repeating the same crap over and over again, so he is essentially arguing with himself" logical fallacy.

Told you I was done with you.

Dragonzbane76
12-24-2011, 01:58 PM
wow you have some deep seeded issues. you should probably get some help. :rolleyes:

Drake
12-24-2011, 02:01 PM
wow you have some deep seeded issues. you should probably get some help. :rolleyes:

I'm working on it... ;)

David Jamieson
12-26-2011, 09:15 AM
That word "fascist" that you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means...

Drake
12-26-2011, 09:45 AM
That word "fascist" that you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means...

Inconceivable!

Dragonzbane76
12-26-2011, 03:17 PM
this threads more like.....


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvvnerZypu1r2al6e.jpg

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 06:53 AM
this threads more like.....


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvvnerZypu1r2al6e.jpg
You REALLY should get a girlfriend!:D

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 06:53 AM
That word "fascist" that you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means...

What does the word "fascist" mean for you?

Dragonzbane76
12-27-2011, 08:14 AM
You REALLY should get a girl friend

I'm sure my wife would appreciate me picking one up.

You should REALLY get a life and pull your head outta your ass.

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 12:48 PM
I'm sure my wife would appreciate me picking one up.
You don't have to tell her. ;)

Boy, talk about casteration! :D


You should REALLY get a life and pull your head outta your ass.

My life is fine. I am having a great Festive Season, with lots of salsa dancing and concerts, as well as some of the most beautiful women in the world to dance and have fun with.

So, eat your heart out! :p

diego
12-27-2011, 02:25 PM
this threads more like.....


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvvnerZypu1r2al6e.jpg

I was thinking more like http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/698/935/Rainbowman_display_image.jpg?1324330167

Dragonzbane76
12-27-2011, 02:46 PM
My life is fine. I am having a great Festive Season, with lots of salsa dancing and concerts, as well as some of the most beautiful women in the world to dance and have fun with.

the tinfoil hat wearing community celebrating there annual festivities I see. ;)

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 02:49 PM
I was thinking more like http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/698/935/Rainbowman_display_image.jpg?1324330167

You forgot the one about the suicidal Islamic fundamentalist terrorist who has visions of Mohammed as he is walking out drunk out of lap dancing club, having just threatened everyone about blowing up American buildings, while the club waitress catches up with him at the door, shouting, "wait sir, you seem to have dropped your Holy Kuran on the club seat while our lap dancer was rubbing her genitals against yours"! LOL!
While the 'terrorist' replies, "no, don't worry lady, you can keep it, I have another copy that I will be "forgetting" and leaving behind in my car in the airport car park, right next to a Boeing 747 Flight Manuel, on my way to commit a 'terrorist' act! "........LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 02:51 PM
the tinfoil hat wearing community celebrating there annual festivities I see. ;)
Hey, you can fantasize about these women and dress them up in tin foil hats or anything else you want, but the fact is that they are sexier than any thing you and your right hand can ever imagine. ;)

wenshu
12-27-2011, 03:06 PM
You forgot the one about the suicidal Islamic fundamentalist terrorist who has visions of Mohammed as he is walking out drunk out of lap dancing club, having just threatened everyone about blowing up American buildings, while the club waitress catches up with him at the door, shouting, "wait sir, you seem to have dropped your Holy Kuran on the club seat while our lap dancer was rubbing her genitals against yours"! LOL!
While the 'terrorist' replies, "no, don't worry lady, you can keep it, I have another copy that I will be "forgetting" and leaving behind in my car in the airport car park, right next to a Boeing 747 Flight Manuel, on my way to commit a 'terrorist' act! "

What is your source for this?

Syn7
12-27-2011, 03:44 PM
I recall a program where we just made people work. You want a welfare check? Guess what...you are going to be sweeping the streets, helping with garbage collection, etc.... not full time or anything where they could feasibly gripe about deserving wages...

Other option, of course, would be to refuse the check. That's the closest thing a government can really do for them that isn't being done already.

Poor people have almost a free ride through their community colleges already.

yeah but then you have to buy them steel toes and safety vests and pay somebody to make sure they don't get killed. sorry, but american style litigation killed that idea. won't happen coz nobody will pay for it or insure it. good idea, i like it too, buuuut, NEXT?

what do you mean refuse the check? refuse to issue it or refuse to cash it or do you mean recipients should just not take the check and get a job instead? where you going with that?

poor people do not have a free ride here. and they didn't in the bay area when i lived there either. student loans aren't what they were when our parents needed them. they actually had it really good compared to now. but we see how sustainable that lifestyle was. now my kids, and yours, have to pay for the fact that white middle class peopel used to have the world by the balls. but that doesnt fly any more.

see me, believe it or not, i am a fiscal conservative. i don't like the idea of giving money away either. and i agree we need to shift public perception of what life really is and should be. totally agree.
so lets just tell everyone to be smarter about all this, and life will be great, yeah?
you have any real solutions or just ideas and ideals?

Syn7
12-27-2011, 03:48 PM
I'm working on it... ;)

no, apparently he has beaten you :rolleyes:

Syn7
12-27-2011, 03:49 PM
What does the word "fascist" mean for you?

the defenitions of words are not open to interpretation. you either know what they mean or you don't. PERIOD!

Syn7
12-27-2011, 03:51 PM
What is your source for this?

he prolly can't even find a vid on you tube to prove it.

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 04:28 PM
What is your source for this?

That account was just my spoof version of the official version......Boy, this is a slow day in Knucklehead Land....

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 04:33 PM
What does the word "fascist" mean for you?


the defenitions of words are not open to interpretation. you either know what they mean or you don't. PERIOD!

What does the word "period" mean to you? :D

wenshu
12-27-2011, 05:15 PM
That account was just my spoof version of the official version......Boy, this is a slow day in Knucklehead Land....

What official version?!?

Link to your primary source.

Hardwork108
12-27-2011, 05:38 PM
What official version?!?

Link to your primary source.
My primary source was the official news reports, unless you think that the official news was hijacked by "tin hat wearing conspiracy theorists"....LOL

Here, at least some of this short video will give you an idea of where the official sources got their verification from. ;)

This footage includes includes comments by Atta´s girlfriend, about this alcolhol drinking, strip club frequenting Islamic (LOL!) "terrorist" (:rolleyes:)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ocQYStjQU&feature=related

This is a very short exerpt. You can watch the full documentary in a link that I provided for you in a previous post! In the full documentary you will also see a burning skyscraper in Madrid that burned with a very much higher intensity heat than that of the Towers and stood standing after many more hours - as well as other interesting facts.

Dragonzbane76
12-27-2011, 07:50 PM
Hey, you can fantasize about these women and dress them up in tin foil hats or anything else you want, but the fact is that they are sexier than any thing you and your right hand can ever imagine.

So you guys get together for the holidays and have circle jerks while wearing tinfoil hats.... explains a lot about your priorities. ;) you should really keep your sexual epilogues to yourself.

Hardwork108
12-28-2011, 12:27 AM
So you guys get together for the holidays and have circle jerks while wearing tinfoil hats....
I find your sexual fantasies some what disturbing. You should take it easy on your man grappling training sessions, at least for a while until you begin to find your true sexual identity.


you should really keep your sexual epilogues to yourself.
I usually do keep my sexual epilogues to myself, but the women here in Colombia are so great that once in a while I just want to tell everyone and perhaps to get some of you guys jealous. That is, the ones among you that are into women, leaving you out of the equasion. :D

Dragonzbane76
12-28-2011, 04:23 AM
find your sexual fantasies some what disturbing. You should take it easy on your man grappling training sessions, at least for a while until you begin to find your true sexual identity.


I find that You thinking about anything sexual in reference to me disturbing. Maybe You should've lay off the internal chi blasting pajama conspiracy parties, they seem to have disrupted the flow of energy around You. :rolleyes:

Hardwork108
12-28-2011, 09:31 AM
I find that You thinking about anything sexual in reference to me disturbing. Maybe You should've lay off the internal chi blasting pajama conspiracy parties, they seem to have disrupted the flow of energy around You. :rolleyes:
You should think about pajama parties with sexy Latin women....I think that even your wife would prefer that you go back to having heterosexual fantasies. ;)

Anyway, I think that since you have not really contributed to the political issues raised in this thread, in any intellectual manner, that is (surprise, surprise...:rolleyes:), you should perhaps go back to watching the Disney Channel, or other "light" entertainment befitting your IQ?

diego
12-28-2011, 09:37 AM
Hardwork how many muslems do you know in Colombia?. In Vancouver organized crime thrives there are many muslems with heavier police records than strip club patron..u lost me on that i get the 911 members were at a bar I dont get how they arent muslem to u because they went to a bar.

wenshu
12-28-2011, 11:14 AM
My primary source was the official news reports, unless you think that the official news was hijacked by "tin hat wearing conspiracy theorists"....LOL

Here, at least some of this short video will give you an idea of where the official sources got their verification from. ;)

This footage includes includes comments by Atta´s girlfriend, about this alcolhol drinking, strip club frequenting Islamic (LOL!) "terrorist" (:rolleyes:)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ocQYStjQU&feature=related

This is a very short exerpt. You can watch the full documentary in a link that I provided for you in a previous post! In the full documentary you will also see a burning skyscraper in Madrid that burned with a very much higher intensity heat than that of the Towers and stood standing after many more hours - as well as other interesting facts.

We went over this already. Perhaps because I posted a link to the actual "official" source and not a trailer for a web documentary you couldn't be bothered to actually read.

On September 14, 2011 USA Today published a report from an anonymous "source" at the FBI that said that a bar manager in Florida had been told by a waitress that she heard from a bartender who said that somde middle eastern men had expressed anti-American seniments and left behind a quran.

So let's review, you heard something repeated in a soundbite from some web documentary with questionable production values from a story written three days into a national nervous breakdown in what is not exactly the most reputable publication, that some guy called the FBI to tell them a third hand account of some dark skinned dudes talking **** in a bar. That's your source. That is what your whole narcissitic delusion of grandeur fantasy world hinges on. Between this and your lackluster prevarications about your sex life one thing is painfully apparent; you have no imagination.

diego
12-28-2011, 12:25 PM
Hardwork how many muslems do you know in Colombia?.


I don't know why I find this **** so amusing it's just too easy I guess...


According to Canada's 2001 census, there were 579,740 Muslims in Canada, just under 2% of the population.[1] In 2006, the Muslim population was estimated to be 0.8 million or about 2.6%. In 2010, the Pew Research Center estimates there were about 0.9 million Muslims in Canada.[1] About 65% were Sunni, while 15% were Shia.[2] Some Muslims are non-practicing.



The statistics for Islam in Colombia estimate a total Muslim population of 14,000 according to a Pew Research Center report.[1] There are a number of Islamic organizations in Colombia, including Islamic centers in San Andrés, Bogotá, Guajira, Nariño, and Santa Marta. There are also primary and secondary Islamic schools in Bogotá and Maicao. Maicao plays host to the continent's second largest mosque, the Mosque of Omar Ibn Al-Khattab.

Hardwork108
12-28-2011, 03:46 PM
We went over this already. Perhaps because I posted a link to the actual "official" source and not a trailer for a web documentary you couldn't be bothered to actually read.

On September 14, 2011 USA Today published a report from an anonymous "source" at the FBI that said that a bar manager in Florida had been told by a waitress that she heard from a bartender who said that somde middle eastern men had expressed anti-American seniments and left behind a quran.

So let's review, you heard something repeated in a soundbite from some web documentary with questionable production values from a story written three days into a national nervous breakdown in what is not exactly the most reputable publication, that some guy called the FBI to tell them a third hand account of some dark skinned dudes talking **** in a bar. That's your source. That is what your whole narcissitic delusion of grandeur fantasy world hinges on. Between this and your lackluster prevarications about your sex life one thing is painfully apparent; you have no imagination.




"September 7, 2001: 9/11 Hijackers Atta and Alshehhi Allegedly Get Drunk in Florida Bar with Unidentified Man
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Shuckums bar and grill, in Hollywood, Florida.Shuckums bar and grill, in Hollywood, Florida. [Source: Patrick Durand/ Corbis]Two future 9/11 hijackers drink alcohol with an unidentified man. Hijackers Mohamed Atta, Marwan Alshehhi, and an unidentified man come into Shuckums, a sports bar in Hollywood, Florida, already drunk. “They were wasted,” says bartender Patricia Idrissi, who directs them to a nearby Chinese restaurant. [Associated Press, 9/12/2001; St. Petersburg Times, 9/13/2001] Later they return and drink some more. Atta orders five vodka and orange juices, while Alshehhi orders five rum and Cokes. [Time, 9/24/2001] According to manager Tony Amos, “The guy Mohamed was drunk, his voice was slurred and he had a thick accent.” Idrissi says they argue about the bill, and when she asks if there is a problem, “Mohamed said he worked for American Airlines and he could pay his bill.” [Associated Press, 9/12/2001] The account of the story will slowly change over time, and later articles will say Atta plays video games and drinks cranberry juice instead of vodka, and Alshehhi is the one who argues over the bill and pays (see September 12, 2001 and After). [Washington Post, 9/16/2001] In 2011, the Miami Herald will note that the third man with Atta and Alshehhi has never been identified. [Miami Herald, 5/5/2011]"

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_alleged_9/11_hijackers=mohamedAtta&timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=100


Note: See the interview with Atta's girlfriend when she referrs to his and his friends' drug and drinking habits.

Syn7
12-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Hardwork how many muslems do you know in Colombia?. In Vancouver organized crime thrives there are many muslems with heavier police records than strip club patron..u lost me on that i get the 911 members were at a bar I dont get how they arent muslem to u because they went to a bar.

word, first friend i ever had that was shot to death was a muslim, and a somewhat recovered gangster. but he really did believe in allah.

Syn7
12-28-2011, 03:54 PM
I don't know why I find this **** so amusing it's just too easy I guess...

apparently you don't need to have actually met a muslim to be an expert on the subject!

Dragonzbane76
12-28-2011, 03:59 PM
Anyway, I think that since you have not really contributed to the political issues raised in this thread, in any intellectual manner, that is (surprise, surprise...), you should perhaps go back to watching the Disney Channel, or other "light" entertainment befitting your IQ?

contribute? lol...

anyways... what's to contribute... you post the same things over and over and over. So basically we are having the same conversations we did 2 to 3 years ago now in your posts. I could basically cut and paste your arguements for you if I had the time to do so from previous posts of yours. ;)
all you are is a repeat. nothing new and nothing substancial with no evidence besides some youtube vids. haha and we all know that youtube is the most "reliable" of sources.

Lucas
12-28-2011, 04:28 PM
i learned everything i know from youtube.

Hardwork108
12-29-2011, 12:39 AM
Hardwork how many muslems do you know in Colombia?.

I spent my young years in a Muslim country. I lived a good number of years in London, as well. I am very sure that you are aware of that city's large Muslim population. I have had many muslim friends, most of whom were not strict practitioners, either.


In Vancouver organized crime thrives there are many muslems with heavier police records than strip club patron..u lost me on that i get the 911 members were at a bar I dont get how they arent muslem to u because they went to a bar.

You are making a fair point and it has been answered by me before, but I will attempt to answer it again.

No one denies that there are "Muslims" who are who break their religion's rules. The same goes for "Christians". That is not the point. The point is, if the official version of the 9-11 story is going to blame FUNDAMENTALIST FANATICAL MUSLIMS, then one cannot expect such characters, to have the fanaticism to DIE for Islam in a HOLY WAR by committing mass murder, yet not be able to resist the temptation to SIN and frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol.

I mean according to Atta's girlfriend, him and his friends stoned out of their brains most of the time!

So, why would a dozen and more guys like these do what they did, when the world is full of (even moderate) muslims who do a lot better job of following their religion's codes?

The answer is that they were patsies who were made to believe that they were participating in a US military security exercise and were sent on a journey of role play "terrorism", where they acted in unusual manners so as to be remembered, to be killed of during (or even after the acts).

There is a small chance that they were in on it from the beginning and are alive and well (and rich) under other identities.....

Someone mentioned that Marxist fanatics have known to have committed suicide bombings. Well, I wonder how many of these fanatics had their private businesses and a Mercedes in their garage?

Again, you may have thousands claiming to follow the Marxist idiology, but actually not really follow its teachings, but who would you expect to be suicide bomber, a Marxist who just says he is a Marxist, but is a hypocrite, or a bat crazy fanatic, that reads the communist manifesto everyday and uses quotes from it, in his day to day conversations?

Well, the answer is the same as regards suicidal Islamic fanatics!

Hardwork108
12-29-2011, 12:43 AM
contribute? lol...

anyways... what's to contribute... you post the same things over and over and over. So basically we are having the same conversations we did 2 to 3 years ago now in your posts. I could basically cut and paste your arguements for you if I had the time to do so from previous posts of yours. ;)
all you are is a repeat. nothing new and nothing substancial with no evidence besides some youtube vids. haha and we all know that youtube is the most "reliable" of sources.

I only repeat, because the facts take their sweet time in sinking in when it comes to some of this forum's less enlighetened members. However, if you don't like what you read, then you can also ignore it. That is better than coming in with insults, and then have your "forum butt" kicked, for your clueless "contributions"....;)

Shǎguā
12-29-2011, 01:15 AM
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I mean according to Atta's girlfriend, him and his friends stoned out of their brains most of the time!



In the eleventh to the thirteenth centuries, a tribe living between Syria and Persia made their livelihood from political violence, and their name-the Assassins-has stood [for] political murder ever since. In fact, Assassin is a Western deviation of the Arabic Hashashin, the name given to them because they regularly imbibed hashish before doing their bloody business, and ironic reminder that drugs and terrorism have been linked for centuries.

http://criminology.fsu.edu/transcrime/articles/counteringterrorism.htm

:rolleyes:

Dragonzbane76
12-29-2011, 04:51 AM
and then have your "forum butt" kicked, for your clueless "contributions"....

I didnt know we were in compitition for "kicking" any imaginary "butts"
:rolleyes:

wenshu
12-29-2011, 07:35 AM
The shuckums crap was what I was referring to. A third hand account of what some bartender said. Give me a break.

Keller's story is bull**** too.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/NEWS/609100466/1007/BUSINESS

Hardwork108
12-29-2011, 08:11 AM
The shuckums crap was what I was referring to. A third hand account of what some bartender said. Give me a break.

Keller's story is bull**** too.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/NEWS/609100466/1007/BUSINESS

Keller had later said that the FBI had intimaded her into retracting her story and again notice. Our resident US Military Intelligence Officer here in the forum has never denied that these guys were alcohol drinking or strip club frequenting. He has time and again said words to the effect that there are some muslims who do not follow their religious codes and they are of questionable moral character, but he never denied their alcohol drinking and lap dancing endeavors, NEVER!

Have a look at this intelligent article that "questions" the article. If you are going to read it with a mindset that says that anyone who disbelieves an official version of any event in a so called democracy should automatically be dimmed as being a "conspiracy theorist", then don't bother, because this would mean that the info and the questions it raises will not penetrate into your thinking process!

http://www.madcowprod.com/10042006.html


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wenshu
12-29-2011, 09:04 AM
Our resident US Military Intelligence Officer here in the forum has never denied that these guys were alcohol drinking or strip club frequenting. He has time and again said words to the effect that there are some muslims who do not follow their religious codes and they are of questionable moral character, but he never denied their alcohol drinking and lap dancing endeavors, NEVER!

What Drake says and doesn't say has nothing to do with anything. The fact that you have to rely on this impoverished reasoning to justify your position is pathetic.

That article is nothing but meandering speculation based on. . .what evidence I'm still not entirely sure, all he does is say that some documents show clear evidence of something but Hopsicker never presents these documents.

There is a difference between actually having evidence and talking about having evidence.

All that foreplay and no nut.

Hardwork108
12-29-2011, 01:47 PM
What Drake says and doesn't say has nothing to do with anything. The fact that you have to rely on this impoverished reasoning to justify your position is pathetic.

That article is nothing but meandering speculation based on. . .what evidence I'm still not entirely sure, all he does is say that some documents show clear evidence of something but Hopsicker never presents these documents.

There is a difference between actually having evidence and talking about having evidence.

All that foreplay and no nut.
You know, the fact these people drank alcohol, which was corroborated by Atta's girlfriend, then retracted apparently according to her, under FBI intimidation - is something that I did not read in USA Today. I saw it on news programs which were presumably basing their contents on official accounts.

Also, the fact that you think that anything that questions the official position filled with VAGUE comments such as "official sources say.."; "According to FBI sources...." and other UNCOROBORATED bla, bla, bla, shows that you are just closed minded and afraid like the rest of the sheep.

As for Drake, he has the interest of the official position in mind and he sticks to it and I would say that he is more familiar with the official 9-11 mumbo jumbo version than you are, YET AGAIN, he did not deny that these people were drinkers and strip club clients, but he was doing his best to JUSTIFY it, in the context that Islamic fanatics who kill themselves in holy wars for Allah, are not partial to getting drunk and grinding groins with lap dancers........LOL!

So, don't discount his contributions in order to win a hopeless argument. One more thing, independent reporters have found evidence of these people's hedonistic life styles. Call them tin hat wearers, if you like, but the fact is that a corrupt government that orchestrates a murderous false flag operaton against her own people is going to have the mechanisms to attemtp to cover up and smooth things out afterwards!


TIME LINE FOR THE 9-11 ATTACKS:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_alleged_9/11_hijackers=mohamedAtta&timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=100

"Before September 11, 2001: 9/11 Hijackers Drink Alcohol and Watch Strip Shows, Especially towards Eve of Attacks
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Cheetah’s nude bar in San Diego.Cheetah’s nude bar in San Diego. [Source: Cheetah's]A number of the 9/11 hijackers apparently drink alcohol heavily in bars, sleep with prostitutes, and watch strip shows in the US in the months and especially the days leading up to 9/11.
bullet In late February 2001, hijacker Ziad Jarrah frequents a strip club in Jacksonville, Florida (see February 25-March 4, 2001).
bullet In July 2001, hijackers Hamza Alghamdi and Marwan Alshehhi make two purchases of “pornographic video and sex toys” from a Florida store (see July 4-27, 2001).
bullet Some hijackers, including possibly Satam Al Suqami and Waleed and Wail Alshehri, sleep with prostitutes in the days before 9/11 (see September 7-11, 2001).
bullet On September 10, three hijacker associates spend $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks in the Pink Pony, a Daytona Beach, Florida strip club. While the hijackers had left Florida by this time, Mohamed Atta is reported to have visited the same strip club, and these men appear to have had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks (see September 10, 2001). [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001]
bullet Marwan Alshehhi and Mohamed Atta are seen entering the Hollywood, Florida, sports bar Shuckums already drunk. They proceed to drink even more hard alcohol there (see September 7, 2001).
bullet Atta and Alshehhi are seen at Sunrise 251, a bar in Palm Beach, Florida. They spend $1,000 in 45 minutes on Krug and Perrier-Jouet champagne. Atta is with a tall busty brunette in her late twenties; Alshehhi is with a shortish blonde. Both women are known locally as regular companions of high-rollers. [Daily Mail, 9/16/2001]
bullet A stripper at the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret in Las Vegas, Nevada, later recalls Marwan Alshehhi being “cheap,” paying only $20 for a lap dance. [Cox News Service, 10/16/2001]
bullet Several hijackers reportedly patronize the Nardone’s Go-Go Bar in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They are even seen there on the weekend before 9/11. [Boston Herald, 10/10/2001; Wall Street Journal, 10/16/2001]
bullet Majed Moqed visits a porn shop on three occasions and rents a porn video. The mayor of Paterson, New Jersey, later says of the six hijackers who stayed there, “Nobody ever saw them at mosques, but they liked the go-go clubs.” [Newsday, 9/23/2001; Newsweek, 10/15/2001]
bullet Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar often frequent Cheetah’s, a nude bar in San Diego. [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002]
bullet Marwan Alshehhi is possibly seen in the Cheetah nightclub in Pompado Beach, Florida, on July 1, 2001. Six dancers who work there later claim to have seen him. [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 173 pdf file]
bullet Hamza Alghamdi watches a porn video on September 10. [Wall Street Journal, 10/16/2001]
Temple University in Philadelphia professor Mahmoud Mustafa Ayoub will later comment: “It is incomprehensible that a person could drink and go to a strip bar one night, then kill themselves the next day in the name of Islam.… People who would kill themselves for their faith would come from very strict Islamic ideology. Something here does not add up.” [South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 9/16/2001]

Xiao3 Meng4
12-29-2011, 02:01 PM
I saw it on news programs which were presumably basing their contents on official accounts.

Which news programs?


Also, the fact that you think that anything that questions the official position filled with VAGUE comments such as "official sources say.."; "According to FBI sources...." and other UNCOROBORATED bla, bla, bla, shows that you are just closed minded and afraid like the rest of the sheep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI


YET AGAIN, he did not deny that these people were drinkers and strip club clients, but he was doing his best to JUSTIFY it, in the context that Islamic fanatics who kill themselves in holy wars for Allah, are not partial to getting drunk and grinding groins with lap dancers........LOL!

Your statement is contradictory.


One more thing, independent reporters have found evidence of these people's hedonistic life styles.

Which independent reporters?


the fact is that a corrupt government that orchestrates a murderous false flag operaton against her own people is going to have the mechanisms to attemtp to cover up and smooth things out afterwards!

Pure conjecture.

Hardwork108
12-29-2011, 09:48 PM
Which news programs?
I can't recall, but are trying to tell me that you had not heard of these guys having been seen drinking in strip clubs?

Also, were you not yourself trying to convince me that drinking and strip club frequenting Islamic suicidal terrorists were a possibility? LOL!

HERE!:


Murder-Suicide does not require the absence of hedonism to be acted out.

Why not just say that these guys were never drunk and never visited strip clubs?

I will tell you why, you are just trying to "win". You don't care about right or wrong, you just want your limited reality to be real, so that you can stay within intellectual comfort zone.

Also, why not read my previous post including the quote and the link as regards the time line of the 9-11 operation provided?



Your statement is contradictory.
Perhaps it is you who is conviniently not understanding it?


Which independent reporters?
Read my previous post and see the link!!!


Pure conjecture.
It is not a conjecture for those who have not been brainwashed politically into child like naivity!;)

Xiao3 Meng4
12-29-2011, 11:38 PM
I can't recall, but are trying to tell me that you had not heard of these guys having been seen drinking in strip clubs?
I just want to know what news programs and independent reporters you're referring to.

Also, were you not yourself trying to convince me that drinking and strip club frequenting Islamic suicidal terrorists were a possibility? LOL!
:rolleyes: That has nothing to do with me asking about your sources.

HERE!:


Murder-Suicide does not require the absence of hedonism to be acted out.
Why not just say that these guys were never drunk and never visited strip clubs?
As what you've quoted me saying demonstrates, that's not my position... but thanks for playing.

Let's set aside the stereotypical relationship of devout Muslims to sex and alcohol for a minute, since you seem hung up on it.

Martyrdom is based on the premise that dying a meaningful death trumps living a meaningful life. As such, killing infidels through murder-suicide trumps whatever infractions occured prior to the act of martyrdom in the name of Allah. The behaviour of suicide bombers prior to their death is rendered moot. They could've raped a child, smoked crack and murdered a fellow Muslim before carrying out their mission and STILL be allowed into Heaven, according to the Orthodox rules for Martyrs.

I will tell you why, you are just trying to "win". You don't care about right or wrong, you just want your limited reality to be real, so that you can stay within intellectual comfort zone.
:rolleyes:

Perhaps it is you who is conviniently not understanding it?
No, it's YOU who aren't being clear. You first state that Drake DOESN'T deny the pre-martyrdom actions of the terrorists... then, in the very next sentence, go on to state that he DOES deny them. Therefore your statement is, unsurprisingly, contradictory and unclear.

Shǎguā
12-30-2011, 12:08 AM
I will tell you why, you are just trying to "win". You don't care about right or wrong, you just want your limited reality to be real, so that you can stay within intellectual comfort zone.


Although I'm puzzled as to why you're talking to yourself in the 2nd person, I appreciate you taking the time to explain why you ignored the info I posted on the Hashashin.




In the eleventh to the thirteenth centuries, a tribe living between Syria and Persia made their livelihood from political violence, and their name-the Assassins-has stood [for] political murder ever since. In fact, Assassin is a Western deviation of the Arabic Hashashin, the name given to them because they regularly imbibed hashish before doing their bloody business, and ironic reminder that drugs and terrorism have been linked for centuries.

http://criminology.fsu.edu/transcrim...gterrorism.htm

Hardwork108
12-30-2011, 10:15 AM
Although I'm puzzled as to why you're talking to yourself in the 2nd person, I appreciate you taking the time to explain why you ignored the info I posted on the Hashashin.

You should enter your own link and "read" it! ;)

Hardwork108
12-30-2011, 10:54 AM
I just want to know what news programs and independent reporters you're referring to.
It was too long ago to remember the news programs. However, in the piece quoted in my previous post you can see references to sources.



As what you've quoted me saying demonstrates, that's not my position... but thanks for playing.
There is no playing! You were saying that one could have been hedonistic and an Islamic suicidal terrorist at the same time!

I suppose that is possible as well if you live in an intellectually naive cocoon. LOL!


Let's set aside the stereotypical relationship of devout Muslims to sex and alcohol for a minute, since you seem hung up on it.

Martyrdom is based on the premise that dying a meaningful death trumps living a meaningful life. As such, killing infidels through murder-suicide trumps whatever infractions occured prior to the act of martyrdom in the name of Allah. The behaviour of suicide bombers prior to their death is rendered moot. They could've raped a child, smoked crack and murdered a fellow Muslim before carrying out their mission and STILL be allowed into Heaven, according to the Orthodox rules for Martyrs.
Good! How many strip club frequenting, alcohol drinking suicidal muslims have committed attacks in the Gaza strip recently?????

Also, if we are to believe that "Al Qaeda" (:rolleyes:) committed this attrocity as part of a HOLY ISLAMIC war against the West, or the USA, then why did have so much difficulty in recruiting non-alcohol drinking and strip club frequenting Muslims? LOL!

So, THINK!!!!




No, it's YOU who aren't being clear. You first state that Drake DOESN'T deny the pre-martyrdom actions of the terrorists... then, in the very next sentence, go on to state that he DOES deny them. Therefore your statement is, unsurprisingly, contradictory and unclear.

You are the one who is being contradictory as regard to what I said. Drake has never denied that these guys were alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class Arab kids!!!!!!

This is the same Drake that DENIES almost everything that I post, as matter of habit (or is it duty?)!!!!!

Food for thought!;)

wenshu
12-30-2011, 11:45 AM
Also, the fact that you think that anything that questions the official position filled with VAGUE comments such as "official sources say.."; "According to FBI sources...." and other UNCOROBORATED bla, bla, bla, shows that you are just closed minded and afraid like the rest of the sheep.



I haven't relied on "the official" position because I haven't made any assertions that I need to back up. I have only questioned the vague basis of yours.

You don't know what I actually think because I haven't ****ing told you. Yet, because I have questioned your systemic intellectual laziness you have made reaching assumptions about what I believe. It is much easier to label anyone who questions the basis of your assertions rather than think critically. You keep accusing xiao meng of arguing for the sake of winning the argument however it is abundantly clear that this is your obsession for the reason mentioned formerly.

Here are some assumptions for you.

I don't think you have ever actually looked into the basis of these claims before. I think you have just internalized a few lines from various web documentaries and have taken to repeating this hearsay as fact. Only now that people are questioning the specific basis for your assertions have you actually bothered to look it up. As I already mentioned, anyone who dare question your simple minded excuse for reasoning is labelled with your limited repertoire of mildly insulting adjectives.

If it even mattered if the 9-11 hijackers were partying (it doesn't), the basis upon which you stake these assertions (Keller, shuckums) are nothing more than 2nd and 3rd hand eye witness accounts from sources of questionable reliability at best.

Hardwork108
12-31-2011, 02:31 PM
I haven't relied on "the official" position because I haven't made any assertions that I need to back up. I have only questioned the vague basis of yours.
With all due respect. This all sounds vague to you, because you have no idea of the scope of the issue we are dealing with.

You and people like you start with the premise that the US government would never do such a thing (based on your indoctrinated belief system) and then you go on to "compensate" for all of the anomalities as regards the official version of 9-11, which has more holes in it than the story of the bible, and build your "case" erroneously around your own little political dream worlds.


You don't know what I actually think because I haven't ****ing told you.
You know, if you start swearing, then you show that you are just frustrated because you do not have leg to stand on.;)


Yet, because I have questioned your systemic intellectual laziness you have made reaching assumptions about what I believe. It is much easier to label anyone who questions the basis of your assertions rather than think critically. You keep accusing xiao meng of arguing for the sake of winning the argument however it is abundantly clear that this is your obsession for the reason mentioned formerly.
People can win arguments or loose them, however, the plane truth of the matter is that 9-11 was a false flag operation which left a lot of clues behind. However, "blind" people were never good at recognizing clues.

Your positions are simple - "the US government would not do such a thing, so anyone saying so is a tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist and all the clues and evidence of official lies they point at are false and coincidental and any other official explanation will be better than anything that blames our government and shows us to be idiots - end of story."



I don't think you have ever actually looked into the basis of these claims before. I think you have just internalized a few lines from various web documentaries and have taken to repeating this hearsay as fact. Only now that people are questioning the specific basis for your assertions have you actually bothered to look it up. As I already mentioned, anyone who dare question your simple minded excuse for reasoning is labelled with your limited repertoire of mildly insulting adjectives.
You got this all wrong, the stuff that I talk about has been on the news - perhaps briefly - and then "forgotten", once the idea or the justificications of placing the terrorist suspects in certain locations during certain times were made to the masses.

Coincidentally. An American visitor and myself were having a conversation over the 9-11 building collapses (buildings designed to withstand aircraft crashes). After this guy went over an elaborate explanation of how the fuel from the crashes melted the main inside column of the buildings leading to their collapse, I asked him about the third building - AND HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE COLLAPSE OF BUILDING NUMBER 7!!!!LOL!

So, he was fed and indoctrinated by some mumbo jumbo explanation of the two collapses, but never had an idea of the third building! Why? Because, the third building is hardly mentioned in the news, just like the other stuff that raise uncomfortable questions!

THINK, for god's sake!


If it even mattered if the 9-11 hijackers were partying (it doesn't),
IT DOES MATTER!

There are no SUICIDAL FANATICAL ISLAMIC MASS MURDERERS WHO DRINK ALCOHOL AND FREQUENT STRIP CLUBS!!!

There are even moderate muslims who do not use alcohol based perfumes!!!!!

You really need to start smelling the fish!!!


the basis upon which you stake these assertions (Keller, shuckums) are nothing more than 2nd and 3rd hand eye witness accounts from sources of questionable reliability at best.

Oh yes, we are not supposed to believe woman who slept with one of the CIA assets, whoops sorry, "terrorists" - LOL - and instead, we are supposed to believe those beacons of honesty, the US intelligence services?.....LOL!

Plus, what do you mean that by second or third hand eyewitness accounts? You did not expect them to interview Atta himself, did you? LOL, LOL, LOL!


I can see it now, "Reports coming from the FBI say that there was one terrorist plane crash survivor by the name of Mohammed Atta. The Federal Investigators say that it was a miracle that Atta survived, but these things happen. Atta has confessed to everything. Wait a minute, reports just in, FBI sources say that shortly after confessing his and Al Qaeda's (:rolleyes:) involvement in the attacks, Atta suffered a severe heart attack and died. His body has been chopped up into pieces, burned and then buried at sea, according to his last wishes. However, FBI "sources" (:rolleyes:) say that his passport which also "miraculously" survived the crash is being held by the FBI for further investigation." LOL!

The sad part is that there are people dumb enough who would have believed an account like the one above, purely based on the belief, "our government would never do that, because there are by the people and for the people". :rolleyes:

There is wisdom in the saying, "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it"!

Very sad............

Drake
12-31-2011, 03:06 PM
See, the problem with western conspiracy theorists are that they think only in a limited western mindframe. In their minds, the only conspirators possible are the CIA or some financial conglomerate, and everyone else is some poor villager who is being victimized. This utter lack of an ability to comprehend things on a global scale is astounding, as though taliban,AQ, ISI, Hezbollah, Iranian intelligence agencies, and other players are completely removed from any possible formula because they are either pure as the newly driven snow, or simply unable to influence anything.

It's stupidity, plain and simple. A simplistic, childlike view of the world that can only be spoonfed to them, removing their need to conduct any sort of critical analysis on their own, and only utilizing the building blocks that they are handed to them.

If you don't think those organizations are capable of affecting things on a global scale, and aren't actively doing so right now, you are an idiot. Simple as that.

Syn7
12-31-2011, 03:15 PM
Just don't XM. Just stop. You're smarter than this.

wenshu
12-31-2011, 06:48 PM
It's like doing rounds on a heavy bag of rhetoric. No matter how much you wail away at it with it's own inconsistencies, contradictions and biases, it just hangs there all obstinate and pleased with itself, a stupid look on its face as it repeats the same three arguments word for word that it has been coming at you with from the beginning.

It is really a good workout, tests the limits of patience not to spontaneously combust in a paroxysm of rage.

Hardwork108
01-01-2012, 12:54 AM
It's like doing rounds on a heavy bag of rhetoric. No matter how much you wail away at it with it's own inconsistencies, contradictions and biases, it just hangs there all obstinate and pleased with itself, a stupid look on its face as it repeats the same three arguments word for word that it has been coming at you with from the beginning.

It is really a good workout, tests the limits of patience not to spontaneously combust in a paroxysm of rage.
Exactly my sentiments, that is, you really took the words out of my mouth! ;)

As far as this subject matter is concerned, some of you guys are shallow water swimmers, drowning in deep waters................

Hardwork108
01-01-2012, 01:27 AM
See, the problem with western conspiracy theorists are that they think only in a limited western mindframe.
Yes, then tell us about the Eastern "conspiracy theorists"...:rolleyes:


In their minds, the only conspirators possible are the CIA or some financial conglomerate, and everyone else is some poor villager who is being victimized.
Usually, powerful conspirators are powerful people with billions of dollars at their disposal, but none of that money is any good, without the mechanism to effect their conspiracies. Say, hello to the CIA, Mossad, MI5/6, etc. (at the highest level probably the same organization).


This utter lack of an ability to comprehend things on a global scale is astounding, as though taliban,AQ, ISI, Hezbollah, Iranian intelligence agencies,
Interesting point. Let's look at this:

The Taliban helped, supported and armed by the US, to kill Russians, and their own people.

The Al Qaeda, is the name of a computer file created to identify the fanatical murderers who were trained by the US military.

The ISI, is nothing but a branch of the CIA, and don't tell me that you did not know this!!!!

Iranian intelligence agencies, belong to as murderous regime that was brought into power by a joint Intelligence operation by the CIA and the British MI6, through the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, who by the way, had more decency in his little finger than your last 8 Presidents put together.


and other players are completely removed from any possible formula because they are either pure as the newly driven snow, or simply unable to influence anything.

Well, some of the organizations you name do influence things, but to the order of the elite in power in the West. They are the controlled opposition that create the scenarios used by your power elite to further their political/financial agendas.

Boy, don't they teach you anything in your Military Intelligence schools?



It's stupidity, plain and simple. A simplistic, childlike view of the world that can only be spoonfed to them, removing their need to conduct any sort of critical analysis on their own, and only utilizing the building blocks that they are handed to them.
Perhaps, you can elaborate your view of this "childlike" and "simplistic" understanding to the thousands of Latin American families who had their elected governments overthrown by CIA coups and then replaced with murderous dictators who went on to massacre their own people using ARMS sold to them by US and other Western countries?

Or perhaps you can tell the thousands of families who lost loved ones at the hands of the Mullahs, when the Shah of Iran was removed from power by the CIA et al.

What about the Gulf War between Iraq and Iran, where both sides were supplied by the Western countries who had hypocritically put an arms sales embargo in regards to selling arms to those very countries? More than a million people (by some accounts TWO million) died in that war!!!!!


If you don't think those organizations are capable of affecting things on a global scale, and aren't actively doing so right now, you are an idiot. Simple as that.

Oh yes, those organizations (THE PATSIES) do effect things in a global scale for sure. After all, that is why Western Intelligence organizations, created and/or support them.

I know you Intelligence types usually operate on a need to know basis, but boy, you are still lost in the woods as regards stuff, some of which is available knowledge.....LOL!

Hardwork108
01-02-2012, 11:38 PM
This thread needs to clear head.

http://i39.tinypic.com/awuvj5.gif

If anything, the heads in this thread are TOO clear - that is, devoid of brains....;)

That is what happens when a system sees the population as too stupid to be allowed to participate in the decision making process, knowing fully well that if they were ever aware of what is install for them in the near future, they would grab their leaders and the corporate puppet masters BEHIND their leaders, and would hang them from the nearest lamp post!

wenshu
01-03-2012, 07:50 AM
There are no SUICIDAL FANATICAL ISLAMIC MASS MURDERERS WHO DRINK ALCOHOL AND FREQUENT STRIP CLUBS!!!


Prove it.

http://goo.gl/W1Fzr

Ayman Al‐Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s presumed
second‐in‐command, and Mohammed Atta, lead
suicide hijacker in the 9/11 attacks, are two among
several international terror masterminds also
linked to Takfir Wal‐Hijra.
24
Some believe that
Abu Musab al‐Zarqawi, Ramzi Yousef, Khalid
Shaikh Mohammed, Ali Mohammed (of the U.S.
Special Forces) and Mahmoud Abouhalima
are/were Takfiri as well. This is supported by the
fact that as part of their cover they acted as non‐
observant Muslims, a practice associated with
Takfiris who justify such behavior for jihadist
purposes of waging Jihad.* * However, Takfiri
elements are also believed to have attempted the
assassination of Osama bin Laden when he was
living in Sudan in 1996.
25

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 10:32 AM
Prove it.
Well, shouldn't the burden proof be on the accusers?

I mean, after knowing "nothing" about the attacks, the US authorities produced a list of "terrorists" in the next day or two, who were supposed to have been on the planes. Some of them showed up alive and well and the others, presumably dead (either in the crashes or from alcohol poisioning :D), were judged to have committed the crimes, and a whole country was invaded in order to search its caves (:rolleyes:) for terrorists.....LOL!


http://goo.gl/W1Fzr

According to Atta's girlfriend, these guys were drunk and stoned most of the time. Don't you think that they overplayed their "cover" a little......:rolleyes:

Interesting that according to your quotes, the same elements who committed the those suicidal attacks also attempted to kill Bin Laden himself just four years before the attacks......LOL, LOL!

Yep, Allah works in mysterious ways......:rolleyes:

Just face it, you and your indoctrinated friends have decided that the government wouldn't do such a thing, because they are "nice", while you turn a blind eye to a history of lies and atrocities committed by the same government.

Well it wont work. The official 9-11 story is full of holes, BIG ones,. You guys are like religious people who ignore the holes in their given religious books, because they WANT to believe in the cr@p dished out to them day in day out in their churches, mosques and synagogues, except that you guys get your sh!t from your TV networks and newspapers - the controlled media owned by a few rich people in the click.

All I can say is that you guys are going to be in for a shock when your brains wake up, and the later you wake up the bigger the shock!

wenshu
01-03-2012, 11:05 AM
Well, shouldn't the burden proof be on the accusers?

I mean, after knowing "nothing" about the attacks, the US authorities produced a list of "terrorists" in the next day or two, who were supposed to have been on the planes. Some of them showed up alive and well and the others, presumably dead (either in the crashes or from alcohol poisioning :D), were judged to have committed the crimes, and a whole country was invaded in order to search its caves (:rolleyes:) for terrorists.....LOL!



According to Atta's girlfriend, these guys were drunk and stoned most of the time. Don't you think that they overplayed their "cover" a little......:rolleyes:

Interesting that according to your quotes, the same elements who committed the those suicidal attacks also attempted to kill Bin Laden himself just four years before the attacks......LOL, LOL!

Yep, Allah works in mysterious ways......:rolleyes:

Just face it, you and your indoctrinated friends have decided that the government wouldn't do such a thing, because they are "nice", while you turn a blind eye to a history of lies and atrocities committed by the same government.

Well it wont work. The official 9-11 story is full of holes, BIG ones,. You guys are like religious people who ignore the holes in their given religious books, because they WANT to believe in the cr@p dished out to them day in day out in their churches, mosques and synagogues, except that you guys get your sh!t from your TV networks and newspapers - the controlled media owned by a few rich people in the click.

All I can say is that you guys are going to be in for a shock when your brains wake up, and the later you wake up the bigger the shock!


You still haven't offered anything other than your standard repetitive rambling diatribe. One primary source will do.

You may want to read up on burden of proof, unfortunately I am not aware of any hastily produced web documentaries that cover it.

David Jamieson
01-03-2012, 11:13 AM
You still haven't offered anything other than your standard repetitive rambling diatribe. One primary source will do.

You may want to read up on burden of proof, unfortunately I am not aware of any hastily produced web documentaries that cover it.

Narcissism. It's a hell of a drug...:p

classic tell tales though.

just sayin...

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 11:24 AM
Narcissism. It's a hell of a drug...:p

classic tell tales though.

just sayin...

Right back at you....

wenshu
01-03-2012, 11:36 AM
Right back at you....

Ahh yes, Aristotle's long lost Fourth Method of Persuasion: "I know you are but what am I?"

Not to be confused with Socrates's famous "I'm rubber you're glue. . ."

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 11:45 AM
You still haven't offered anything other than your standard repetitive rambling diatribe. One primary source will do.
Well, I tried to look up Atta, but he is apparently dead, or living some tropical island under a new identity and a new passport (fire ball proof, of course :D).


You may want to read up on burden of proof, unfortunately I am not aware of any hastily produced web documentaries that cover it.
The problem is that with you, it would not matter wether a given documentary was hastily produced or not, you have made up your mind about the "truth" of the official version of 9-11, which is at best a ridiculous story, just like that of the bible, but which, just like the bible, has conned millions of people, not through logic, but because they, the people, CHOOSE to believe the mumbo jumbo!

Wake up, for god's sake!

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 11:47 AM
Ahh yes, Aristotle's long lost Fourth Method of Persuasion: "I know you are but what am I?"

Not to be confused with Socrates's famous "I'm rubber you're glue. . ."

IMHO, you should first attempt to get your head around the BS-ness of the relatively simple to tear apart, official version of 9-11, before you even attempt to mention world famous, historic philosophers........

wenshu
01-03-2012, 11:59 AM
The problem is that with you, it would not matter wether a given documentary was hastily produced or not, you have made up your mind about the "truth" of the official version of 9-11, which is at best a ridiculous story, just like that of the bible, but which, just like the bible, has conned millions of people, not through logic, but because they, the people, CHOOSE to believe the mumbo jumbo!


What does that have to do with the burden of proof being on the person making the assertion?

David Jamieson
01-03-2012, 01:05 PM
lol, classic! like I said. :p

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 01:26 PM
What does that have to do with the burden of proof being on the person making the assertion?

Exactly!!!!

The burden of proof is on the person(s) making the ridiculous assertion that, alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class Arab kids, with fire proof passports, hit TWO World Trade Center Towers, while bringing down THREE buildings in their own FOOT PRINTS, no less!!!!! LOL!

David Jamieson
01-03-2012, 01:28 PM
Exactly!!!!

The burden of proof is on the person(s) making the ridiculous assertion that, alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class Arab kids, with fire proof passports, hit TWO World Trade Center Towers, while bringing down THREE buildings in their own FOOT PRINTS, no less!!!!! LOL!

I have to ask you, what do you want the outcome of these protestations here at KFM to be?

How do you see your threads as being a way forward somehow?

What do you think will manifest from all these hours of watching youtube videos and then coming here and shouting at us about being asleep and needing to wake up to what you perceive to be some truth?

What is the result you are looking for and how do you hope to achieve it through the current means you are employing?

Drake
01-03-2012, 01:47 PM
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

wenshu
01-03-2012, 02:52 PM
Exactly!!!!

The burden of proof is on the person(s) making the ridiculous assertion that, alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class Arab kids, with fire proof passports, hit TWO World Trade Center Towers, while bringing down THREE buildings in their own FOOT PRINTS, no less!!!!! LOL!

I guess that's one way to weasel out of it.

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 04:16 PM
I have to ask you, what do you want the outcome of these protestations here at KFM to be?

How do you see your threads as being a way forward somehow?

What do you think will manifest from all these hours of watching youtube videos and then coming here and shouting at us about being asleep and needing to wake up to what you perceive to be some truth?

What is the result you are looking for and how do you hope to achieve it through the current means you are employing?

Hey, you are the guys who are coming in with "protestations". I sometimes simply post videos to inform the uninformed and not to necessarily provoke the politically naive and the clueless, into rants and autodefensiveness. So, just look at the amount of views this thread has had. I am sure that many of those views are the usual clueless sheep, but others who view these know the deal and use the videos to further understand the current world situation. Most of the latter group would not give most of you guys the time of the day.

However, I try to - apparently in a vain attempt - to make some people think, when they enter such threads, not to discuss, but to naively "debunk". Hey, but that is me, the charitable HW108! :D;)


By the way, Youtube do not make videos...... ;)

Hardwork108
01-03-2012, 04:18 PM
I guess that's one way to weasel out of it.

Your way of "weaseling out"is just too unsophisticated for me. ;)

wenshu
01-03-2012, 04:50 PM
There are no SUICIDAL FANATICAL ISLAMIC MASS MURDERERS WHO DRINK ALCOHOL AND FREQUENT STRIP CLUBS!!!

Still waiting for you to offer anything to back up this assertion.

I'll even accept some shaky conjecture along the lines of the "Amanda Keller recounted her story under duress" rubbish. Seriously, the bar is pretty low here.

Drake
01-03-2012, 05:11 PM
Still waiting for you to offer anything to back up this assertion.

I'll even accept some shaky conjecture along the lines of the "Amanda Keller recounted her story under duress" rubbish. Seriously, the bar is pretty low here.

If they can rape little boys and have sex with each other, alcohol and strip clubs aren't exactly a stretch of the imagination...

Syn7
01-03-2012, 07:27 PM
It's like doing rounds on a heavy bag of rhetoric. No matter how much you wail away at it with it's own inconsistencies, contradictions and biases, it just hangs there all obstinate and pleased with itself, a stupid look on its face as it repeats the same three arguments word for word that it has been coming at you with from the beginning.

It is really a good workout, tests the limits of patience not to spontaneously combust in a paroxysm of rage.

lol... Still an exercise in futility if one is trying to gain ground with their opponent.

My limts of patience are tested every time I leave my home. I never lose it. But I can see why some do.

Syn7
01-03-2012, 07:29 PM
You still haven't offered anything other than your standard repetitive rambling diatribe. One primary source will do.

You may want to read up on burden of proof, unfortunately I am not aware of any hastily produced web documentaries that cover it.

Actually the Supreme Court just ruled that youtube vids are concrete evidence. Likewise, if it ain't on youtube, sh1t never happened!

Syn7
01-03-2012, 07:35 PM
Well, I tried to look up Atta, but he is apparently dead, or living some tropical island under a new identity and a new passport (fire ball proof, of course :D).


The problem is that with you, it would not matter wether a given documentary was hastily produced or not, you have made up your mind about the "truth" of the official version of 9-11, which is at best a ridiculous story, just like that of the bible, but which, just like the bible, has conned millions of people, not through logic, but because they, the people, CHOOSE to believe the mumbo jumbo!

Wake up, for god's sake!

You assume that if one disagrees it's because they haven't opened their mind enough or simply disregards all evidence beforehand. That's a huge assumption.

People don't poke holes thru your sources because your sources are laughable. Which of course is why we all laugh at you. Get it? Nah, you don't.

You are so sure you're right yet you haven't shown anything concrete to suggest you are. You tell people to open their minds yet assuming you're right is a sure sign of a closed mind. The simple truth is that you don't know if you're right or not. And if you approached these arguments from that perspective you would be shown more respect.

Syn7
01-03-2012, 07:39 PM
Hey, you are the guys who are coming in with "protestations". I sometimes simply post videos to inform the uninformed

Dude, you respond to small phrases with endless paragraphs of repetitive rhettoric. WTF you talkin' bout, son?

Your arguments are "doubleplusungood", Comrade.

Syn7
01-03-2012, 07:45 PM
If they can rape little boys and have sex with each other, alcohol and strip clubs aren't exactly a stretch of the imagination...

especially to people who are constantly lying and justifying it in their own heads. and when their spiritual leaders tell them they can lie and cheat to blend in with the enemy. such are the rules in holy war. what's so hard to understand about that? People pretend to be things they aren't to achieve some agenda all the time.

is it true that rape is a very serious problem in arab culture? i was told by an immigrant that she had been raped 14 times back home. and she's only 21 and has been in canada for like 7 years. thats fukcing insane.

i know it's real bad in alot of the african continent.

Drake
01-04-2012, 08:21 AM
especially to people who are constantly lying and justifying it in their own heads. and when their spiritual leaders tell them they can lie and cheat to blend in with the enemy. such are the rules in holy war. what's so hard to understand about that? People pretend to be things they aren't to achieve some agenda all the time.

is it true that rape is a very serious problem in arab culture? i was told by an immigrant that she had been raped 14 times back home. and she's only 21 and has been in canada for like 7 years. thats fukcing insane.

i know it's real bad in alot of the african continent.

It's pretty bad over here. My NCO is about to shoot some of the locals around here because it keeps happening.

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 08:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI&sns=fb

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:05 AM
Still waiting for you to offer anything to back up this assertion.
My assertion has been backed up by history. Where are the "corrupt" religious suicide bombers in the Gaza strip, Iraq and Afghanistan, who are alcohol drinking and strip club frequenting, while at the same time brought up in a Western manner?

I'll tell you where they are, they are in the imaginations of the sleeping sheep, who will come up with incredible explanation for false flag events, because they have made up their minds (or is it that their mind has been made up for them), that their governments are not a bunch of corrupt psychopaths serving an elite that looks at them the PEOPLE, with nothing byt CONTEMPT!


I'll even accept some shaky conjecture along the lines of the "Amanda Keller recounted her story under duress" rubbish. Seriously, the bar is pretty low here.
Well, that would be a good start for you, but of course, there remains the rest of the Official Baloney Version of 9-11, which is full of holes that only the blind don't see!

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:13 AM
If they can rape little boys and have sex with each other, alcohol and strip clubs aren't exactly a stretch of the imagination...

Well, little boys get raped everyday n the Western world. Unfortunately, that kind of criminal behavior is embedded even among the elites of Europe and the USA, so much so that there peodophilia rings all over the place. The same can be said about ****sexual behavior among the ruling elites. Does that "qualify" these elements as possible SUICIDE bombers? You are deliberatly mixing up issues, in order to distract attention from what is being said!

Furthermore, child molestations and ****sexual behavior in Islamic countries can be blamed on religious restrictions that prohibit a normal sexual expression. I for one, don't know what the excuse for rampant child sex crimes in places such as the UK and the USA, can be attributed to!!!!!

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:19 AM
Actually the Supreme Court just ruled that youtube vids are concrete evidence. Likewise, if it ain't on youtube, sh1t never happened!

i am surprised that Youtube made videos......

Seriously, Youtube and the internet in general are mediums through which people can at least try to use what is supposed to be their "democratic" freedom of speech to argue their case or show another point of view.

In the old days when the press was somewhat free, the newspapers used to play the same role, exposing corruptions and scandals.

You people refusing to acknowledge information that is disturbing, just becuase it did not come from your official (CONTROLLED) news networks, shows how totally brainwashed you are!

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:28 AM
You assume that if one disagrees it's because they haven't opened their mind enough or simply disregards all evidence beforehand. That's a huge assumption.

People don't poke holes thru your sources because your sources are laughable. Which of course is why we all laugh at you. Get it? Nah, you don't.

You are so sure you're right yet you haven't shown anything concrete to suggest you are. You tell people to open their minds yet assuming you're right is a sure sign of a closed mind. The simple truth is that you don't know if you're right or not. And if you approached these arguments from that perspective you would be shown more respect.

That is the difference between me ahd you guys. I KNOW I am right, while you guys hope that you are right!

As far as 9-11 is concerned, I knew I was right when I first heard the official version, and nor from any "youtube video". that is the difference between you guys and people like me. You guys got traumatized (perhaps even understandbly) by these "terrorist" attacks, and then group psychology took over. You looked up to the leaders you trust for answers and explanations, and they the psychopathic yes-men to the elite, fed you the pre-prepared cr@p known as the official version of the events. You guys in turn swallowed up all the mumbo jumbo and you are defending it religiously, as designed!

Since 9-11, your civil rights have been trampled on, while abroad, your government and its "cartel" have mass murdered and looted sovereign nations. Yet, the sheep are still asleep, while being hurded towards the slaughter house!

So sad......

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:33 AM
It's pretty bad over here. My NCO is about to shoot some of the locals around here because it keeps happening.
Who is going to shoot the child molesters belonging to phedeophilia rings that include some of your politicians and lawmakers, in the US, UK and other European countries?

Shouldn't you clear your own back yard first before doing so abroad?

Sheesh, you would of thought that the US would have at least cleared up that problem while shooting dead and blowing up hundreds of thousands of Afghans?

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI&sns=fb

Thank you for posting.

Of course, people here are going to keep their heads in the sand and ignore your video, because the truth is uncomfortable.

Very sad, to see a potentially great nation, being destroyed from within by people who falsely call themselves "Americans", while working for world banking interests based in Europe!

wenshu
01-04-2012, 10:28 AM
My assertion has been backed up by history.

Where exactly?

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 10:28 AM
Thank you for posting.

Of course, people here are going to keep their heads in the sand and ignore your video, because the truth is uncomfortable.

Very sad, to see a potentially great nation, being destroyed from within by people who falsely call themselves "Americans", while working for world banking interests based in Europe!

I can't lie.....I'm actually kinda worried about the future. this is the whole reason why i never had children. Look at what we will be leaving behind?!?!?!?! for our children? why would we ever want this for our children?

I will be a martyr if the **** does hit the fan....i swear to god.

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 11:02 AM
Where exactly?

You can start by watching hskwarrior's video clip, as it refers to the rise of Hitler and the roll a False Flag attack played in "helping" him along to clamp down on opposition and creating "enemy threats". There are strong parallels with 9-11 and the resultant bogeymen and wars, as well as clamp downs on civil liberties.

Secondly, you can look at the more recent history and try and find hedonistic middle class suicide bombers.....LOL!

David Jamieson
01-04-2012, 11:17 AM
Unfounded paranoid delusions are a heck of a thing.

name names.
give dates.

You can't, because you make this all up in your head and somehow give it importance.

This is why you're ridiculed, but because you are disconnected from reality, you will never be able to understand without therapy on some level.

Are you directly being harmed by reptile overlords? Or do you just do a lot of hand wringing and letting ideas run wild in your head after filling up on delusional youtube videos and tinfoil hat sites?

More failure comes through incompetence and negligence than through organized foul play.

wenshu
01-04-2012, 11:57 AM
You can start by watching hskwarrior's video clip, as it refers to the rise of Hitler and the roll a False Flag attack played in "helping" him along to clamp down on opposition and creating "enemy threats". There are strong parallels with 9-11 and the resultant bogeymen and wars, as well as clamp downs on civil liberties.

Secondly, you can look at the more recent history and try and find hedonistic middle class suicide bombers.....LOL!

Needlessly reiterating your assertions does not validate your assertions. If it is as evident as you claim, is it just laziness or incompetence that prevents you from finding anything to validate your position?

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 12:02 PM
I can't lie.....I'm actually kinda worried about the future. this is the whole reason why i never had children. Look at what we will be leaving behind?!?!?!?! for our children? why would we ever want this for our children?

I will be a martyr if the **** does hit the fan....i swear to god.
I don't have kids either. For those who see beyond their noses the world is not a great place to bring up kids, one of the reasons for not having them is the same as yours.

Of course, other people may have kids and have the ability to insulate them from the madness, but most people it is risky.

The fact is many people are waking up to the reality that is our world and that is why the system is throwing including the kitchen sink at us. There are more restrictive laws; dumb and dumber entertainment (TV/movies, etc.); mind altering chemicals in our food - specially in children's foods, etc,

We are heading for "interesting" times.......

David Jamieson
01-04-2012, 12:18 PM
I have a son. He's doing great! I don't have many worries about him at all.
You guys are making some critical errors in thinking with your worry about a future that may or may not occur. The more you are vilified, the more erratic your thinking will become by the way.

Death isn't scary, it just is. When yours comes or mine, 100 years from now it won't make a lick of difference really will it? Unless you do something magnificent or at the very least useful for humanity or civilization in some way.

I think most of this rant type stuff is based and founded in a deep seated fear of dying. If you work hard at making your life better, it will be. It really is that simple.
If you don't work at it and put little or no effort into making positive change, then sit around and complain I guess. That has zero value really doesn't it?

Lucas
01-04-2012, 12:39 PM
man im excited to die. is going to be the last great adventure i can have from this reality.

I think death is pretty cool guy, he not scare anything.

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 01:16 PM
You guys are making some critical errors in thinking with your worry about a future that may or may not occur.

I'm not thinking of 2012. I'm thinking when we're dead and gone what kind of world will we be leaving behind for them.


Death isn't scary, it just is. When yours comes or mine, 100 years from now it won't make a lick of difference really will it? Unless you do something magnificent or at the very least useful for humanity or civilization in some way.

my contribution is not having kids. I'm not interested in the end of the world. I'm only interested in what could turn out to be a very bad future. death, i'm welcome it like a long lost friend. I want off this planet.


I think most of this rant type stuff is based and founded in a deep seated fear of dying. If you work hard at making your life better, it will be. It really is that simple.

Death is the escape as far as i see it. I've faced death via my accident, i'm not afraid to die, be killed or what ever. I am however worried about my country who is more interested in their own interests than taking care of its own people.

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 01:19 PM
man im excited to die. is going to be the last great adventure i can have from this reality.

I think death is pretty cool guy, he not scare anything.

death is not death, death is a rebirth to the next stage of your path. personally, if god or whoever asked me if i would like to return to earth even as a rich person, i would turn it down in a heart beat.

there are believers and non believers. I know where i sit, so do they. this existance is only an educational experience. I can't wait to see whats next. im done here.

Lucas
01-04-2012, 01:45 PM
i look at death as a conversion or transformation of my life energy. if there is a magical god man in the sky thats real, i'll find out when i die. thats half the fun. if there isnt, then my life energy will transform and join the collective of cosmic force. i dont claim to know, well, because none of us do. those that say they know, may even believe it, but it is simply faith, no more.

no one can prove anything at all.

David Jamieson
01-04-2012, 02:03 PM
i look at death as a conversion or transformation of my life energy. if there is a magical god man in the sky thats real, i'll find out when i die. thats half the fun. if there isnt, then my life energy will transform and join the collective of cosmic force. i dont claim to know, well, because none of us do. those that say they know, may even believe it, but it is simply faith, no more.

no one can prove anything at all.

yes...yes there is proof of what happens.

1. matter changes, energy is never lost
2. the atoms you have that are you will be redistributed out into the world upon your demise through a degradation process that can take quite a while in many cases.
3.what's left may fossilize and you and all your atoms will be reabsorbed into the earth upon which you live and breath.

No belief required, those are the facts, they can be proven, again and again and again. :)

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 02:12 PM
no one can prove anything at all.

This is true. however, there is more that happens in life for some people than it does others. See, i don't openly talk about this with strangers but I've had dreams, day time visions, and feelings that happened to come true. this wasn't a manifestation of my mind. i've actually seen aura's which flipped me the fuk out. in fact, my girls best friend who ended her own life, someone i've never seen a picture of or met came to me in a vision as i was going to bring her flowers to her grave stone. i almost had a heart attack when i saw an actual pic of the girl. exactly as i saw it in my mind.

I've experienced too many things in my life to call my visions and what not a coincidence, or some thing else. I KNOW WHAT I EXPERIENCED. I feel that once we are done here based on your own evolution we move on to bigger and better things. still, you have to experience it for yourself to know what im talking about. i know that not everyone will believe me. regardless, i got alot of stories to share about my personal psychic experiences. and seeing aura's was one of the most freakiest because what i saw was literal walking light bulbs. no joke.

Drake
01-04-2012, 02:38 PM
I'm comin' to getcha
I'm comin' to getcha
Spittin' out lyrics, Homey I'm with ya!

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 02:43 PM
Homey I'm with ya!

"Homey I'll WETCHA" (meaning blast his ass)........LMAO. nice try tho.

Drake
01-04-2012, 02:51 PM
"Homey I'll WETCHA" (meaning blast his ass)........LMAO. nice try tho.

It sounded friendlier my way...

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 02:57 PM
It sounded friendlier my way...
__________________

then you should've said "homie glad to have met cha...." thats nice and peachie. :p

David Jamieson
01-04-2012, 02:57 PM
So, I gotta ask Wolfen. What are you going to do about it?
rant here like hw108?

see how many people you can get into tin foil hats?

There is no society. There is no system. There are just people and we do what we have always done in a fairly organic way.



But otherwise, what do you do to affect change?

Lucas
01-04-2012, 03:03 PM
yes...yes there is proof of what happens.

1. matter changes, energy is never lost
2. the atoms you have that are you will be redistributed out into the world upon your demise through a degradation process that can take quite a while in many cases.
3.what's left may fossilize and you and all your atoms will be reabsorbed into the earth upon which you live and breath.

No belief required, those are the facts, they can be proven, again and again and again. :)

im talking about a 'higher power' ' heaven' or what ever. in regards to energy, thats why i said its a transformation....

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 04:02 PM
Needlessly reiterating your assertions does not validate your assertions. If it is as evident as you claim, is it just laziness or incompetence that prevents you from finding anything to validate your position?

And again, if people make ridiculous claims like the official version of what happened in 9-11, then they should show us other examples of middle class, drunk, lap dancing fans, who happen to be Arab, suicidal terrorists and mass murderers. They can also show us other incidents of fire bringing down sky scrapers in their own foot prints (I thought that you needed expertly placed explosives for that to happen?).

But before any of the above, they should go back a few decades and explain their "magic bullet" theory that killed JFK! Then explain Lee Harvey Oswald's connection with the US military and the intelligence services.

the problem with a lot of you is that you are fed so much cr@p from the day you are born that you don't know what reality is. We have an US Military Intelligence officer here, who is not aware of the fact that his country's economy is run and dictated by a private banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve. He does not flinch when told that no one knows who the shareholders of the Federal Reserve are actually, nor even their nationalities. These are classic symptoms

Furthermore, he does not appreciate the "wisdom" behind the compartamentalization of knowledge when intelligence activities are concerned. So, he thinks (just like the rest of you) that he knows everything.

Anyway, the only incompetents and lazy people here are the ones who swallow the ridiculous official version of 9-11 lock, stock and barrel.

ust saying....

David Jamieson
01-04-2012, 04:05 PM
im talking about a 'higher power' ' heaven' or what ever. in regards to energy, thats why i said its a transformation....

The universal convergence and connectivity of ALL things IS the higher power in my opinion.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:07 PM
It's pretty bad over here. My NCO is about to shoot some of the locals around here because it keeps happening.

I can imagine it would be quite tempting to intervene where you prolly shouldn't aye? Probably a real touchy subject over there since nobody seems to have a desire to adress the issue.


When I was a youth I worked at a Uhaul doing hitch and wiring installations and I had a coworker from somalia named fahesha, we called him fish. Anyways, we we're just bull****ting about women and relationships with a few guys and girls and he just decided to tell us that back home if you want a woman you just take her. If you have "enough manhood" she's yours he says. What he meant of course was that if you could hold on to her despite possible defenders, shes yours. Nowhere in the whole convo did it come up that what SHE wanted had anything to do with anything.
Needless to say, the girls didn't like him much afterwards. I tol;d him str8 up, don't say sh1t like that around here or you may catch a bad one. He was thouroughly confused as to why. That spoke volumes about the attitude he was raised with. Since then I have spoken to other somalians and although not all feel that way, they all admit it's quite common over there.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI&sns=fb

so where in that bill is the defenition of "national defence"? What constitutes a credible threat to national security requiring martial law? who makes the final decision? does it have time limitations? i mean like how during the roman republic a dictator could only legally be dictator for 6 months. Untill Sulla anyways..... But that's another topic.

Is there any voting involved? does congress have any say whatsoever in this process?

How long do you think it will take our Canadian lapdog government to follow suit? If I didn't know better I would be sure that Harper had some serious american nutsac in his mouth.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Well, little boys get raped everyday n the Western world. Unfortunately, that kind of criminal behavior is embedded even among the elites of Europe and the USA, so much so that there peodophilia rings all over the place. The same can be said about ****sexual behavior among the ruling elites. Does that "qualify" these elements as possible SUICIDE bombers? You are deliberatly mixing up issues, in order to distract attention from what is being said!

Furthermore, child molestations and ****sexual behavior in Islamic countries can be blamed on religious restrictions that prohibit a normal sexual expression. I for one, don't know what the excuse for rampant child sex crimes in places such as the UK and the USA, can be attributed to!!!!!

right, so couldnt one be so fundamentally repressed that they would jump at the chance to play alcaholic strip clubber? it doesn't sound that far fetched to me. And look at Christians, some of the most fundamental people wearing the cloth have been sucking lil d1cks all along. But how is that possible since they are fundamentalists? Is it so hard for your limited imagination to grasp that even the most stoic appearances may have something else alltogether living inside?

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:22 PM
i am surprised that Youtube made videos......

Why be so purposely obtuse, man? I doubt there is anyone here who doesn't understand how vids end up on youtube. Such a weak defence. And from the cat who always accuses others of using distractions to avoid the point.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:24 PM
i am surprised that Youtube made videos......

Seriously, Youtube and the internet in general are mediums through which people can at least try to use what is supposed to be their "democratic" freedom of speech to argue their case or show another point of view.

In the old days when the press was somewhat free, the newspapers used to play the same role, exposing corruptions and scandals.

You people refusing to acknowledge information that is disturbing, just becuase it did not come from your official (CONTROLLED) news networks, shows how totally brainwashed you are!

Yeah, but it doesn't make it true. Or false for that matter. Until you admit that you could be wrong, I can't even take you seriously. Not because I'm so closed minded. But because I couldn't be bothered to deal with somebody who denies such fundamental truths. You don't KNOW anything. You suspect.

I have not once denied something simply because it was posted online by some non "official"(what ever that means) source. I diss you because you have so much faith in sources that may or may not be true. And the fact that you refuse to aknowledge that is the reason why I don't take you seriously.

I don't lump you together with every retard Joneshead, so I would appreciate you not lumping me in with everyone who disagrees with you.

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 04:26 PM
Unfounded paranoid delusions are a heck of a thing.

It is a regular occurance that when confronted with uncomfortable or scary fact, the sheep call the messenger paranoic.


name names.
give dates.
}Good, give me dates and names as regards sky scrapers that collapsed in their own foot prints because of fires. Do the same as regards a building suffering mild damage from fall outs from another builiding, collapsing into its own footsteps!

With the world apparentlyf full of Islamic suicide bombers from the Gaza strip to Pakistan, afghanistan and Iraq, the why don' t you name me other chronic alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, Westernized Middle Eastern kids that have committed mass murder and suicide!

I will be waiting for your reply, but I won't be holding my breath! LOL!


You can't, because you make this all up in your head and somehow give it importance.
Back at ya (read above)!!!!


This is why you're ridiculed, but because you are disconnected from reality, you will never be able to understand without therapy on some level.
THe history is full of people who have ridiculed and even persecuted the truth bearers.....;)

Yes, I do however agree that therapy would help some of you guys......


Are you directly being harmed by reptile overlords?
Why do you bring "reptiles" into the discussion. Are you that desperate to discredit an argument for which you have no intelligent counter, except that, "the government would not do such a thing", which is almost a battle cry for all the sheep inhabiting our planet?



Or do you just do a lot of hand wringing and letting ideas run wild in your head after filling up on delusional youtube videos and tinfoil hat sites?

The thought never crosses your mind that perhaps there are other people who are more intelligent than you and perhaps know things you don't? Or do you think that being a freemason and being somewhat informed about the one world agenda, makes you qualified to pass final judgment on people?


More failure comes through incompetence and negligence than through organized foul play.

What you don't understand about geopolitics is that "we made a mistake" is a common excuse provided for operations and incidents that were planned to happen from the beginning. EG: "whoops, no WOMADs in Iraq, I guess we made mistake"; "We made a mistake in not following terrorist warnings about the forthcoming 9-11 attacks"; "Whoops, we made mistake when our air defenses that would have usually responded to a hijacking within minutes fell a sleep"; Go back a few years and arms for drugs scandal known as Iran Gate and the pr esident saying " whoops, I/we did not know what was going on". Etc.

Well, so called "mistakes" were made, so where are punishment for the people who were running things during the "mistakes" (:rolleyes:)? According to some, some of those who DID NOT do their jobs on 9-11, have been promoted!

Some you guys need to open your eyes!!!!!

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:38 PM
That is the difference between me ahd you guys. I KNOW I am right, while you guys hope that you are right!

How? What you have is just as weak as faith in a diety. It may be strong in your mind, but it's based on belief, not any sort of truth.

Reminds me of the time when cats got all upset over the big stacks of plastic coffins. So many said that was proof that "they" are trying to kill us off. Of course the more logical and probable answer is that someone like the CDC commissioned these tubs in order to prepare for dealing with any sort of mass death situation. For whatever reason.

Lets put it this way. If we did have a real epidemic, I would hope that my taxes had gone to some sort of plan for dealing with the huge amount of bodies piling up.

****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't, ay? Cause if there was a problem and these coffins weren't on hand the very same people would be b!tching about how their Gov didn't have their back in this time of great need.

We all know there is a power elite out there and we know they have an agenda(coz all people do). But we don't know how organized it is or what the aims are. So what, do you assume that all fools with big money agree on one strategy that is laid out on prison planet?

I think the wealthy disagree amongst themselves even more than the proletariat do.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm not thinking of 2012. I'm thinking when we're dead and gone what kind of world will we be leaving behind for them.



my contribution is not having kids. I'm not interested in the end of the world. I'm only interested in what could turn out to be a very bad future. death, i'm welcome it like a long lost friend. I want off this planet.



Death is the escape as far as i see it. I've faced death via my accident, i'm not afraid to die, be killed or what ever. I am however worried about my country who is more interested in their own interests than taking care of its own people.

population is a serious threat whatever you believe. I think being childless is admirable and responsible. But I would never look down on anyone who has children. It is a natural paert of life after all.

But I do have to say one thing. People who have like 6 kids these days in developed countries are beyong irresponsible and selfish. If you live in a place where most don't live past 20, I can see why so many kids. Or farmers etc. I get that. But a 8 person urban fam is absulutely unacceptable.

Syn7
01-04-2012, 04:47 PM
yes...yes there is proof of what happens.

1. matter changes, energy is never lost
2. the atoms you have that are you will be redistributed out into the world upon your demise through a degradation process that can take quite a while in many cases.
3.what's left may fossilize and you and all your atoms will be reabsorbed into the earth upon which you live and breath.

No belief required, those are the facts, they can be proven, again and again and again. :)

yeah exept the first part "energy can not be created or destroyed, only change form" New evidence suggests this may not be the case. We'll see. It's too early to really say. But everyday we find our previous understandings to be wrong or incomplete. Imagine where we would be if newtonian physics were never questioned.

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 05:03 PM
population is a serious threat whatever you believe. I think being childless is admirable and responsible. But I would never look down on anyone who has children. It is a natural paert of life after all.


In no way shape or form am i a scholar on this, but i agree. Also, i pretty much agree with population being an issue that we would be limited to 2 children at most. i love children, this is why i won't have any. why would i bring them into a world where water will be depleted, martial law in the USA, food shortages?

the whole world is in turmoil, and our leader seems to be more on the side of the bankers than the people. i used to support obama.....now i wonder if he's the next anti christ.

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 05:13 PM
I have a son. He's doing great! I don't have many worries about him at all.
You guys are making some critical errors in thinking with your worry about a future that may or may not occur. The more you are vilified, the more erratic your thinking will become by the way.

Death isn't scary, it just is. When yours comes or mine, 100 years from now it won't make a lick of difference really will it? Unless you do something magnificent or at the very least useful for humanity or civilization in some way.

I think most of this rant type stuff is based and founded in a deep seated fear of dying. If you work hard at making your life better, it will be. It really is that simple.
If you don't work at it and put little or no effort into making positive change, then sit around and complain I guess. That has zero value really doesn't it?
So, who is making ASSUMPTIONS here?

I am not worried about death....That assumption was a big MISTAKE on your part that destroys any remenants of any argument that you may have had!

hskwarrior
01-04-2012, 05:19 PM
so where in that bill is the defenition of "national defence"? What constitutes a credible threat to national security requiring martial law? who makes the final decision? does it have time limitations? i mean like how during the roman republic a dictator could only legally be dictator for 6 months. Untill Sulla anyways..... But that's another topic.

from what i understand the president has the power to pick and choose who is considered to be an enemy of the state.

and they just made it a law in calfornia that we are not allowed open carry for guns anymore. its all kinda scary

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 05:22 PM
How? What you have is just as weak as faith in a diety. It may be strong in your mind, but it's based on belief, not any sort of truth.

Reminds me of the time when cats got all upset over the big stacks of plastic coffins. So many said that was proof that "they" are trying to kill us off. Of course the more logical and probable answer is that someone like the CDC commissioned these tubs in order to prepare for dealing with any sort of mass death situation. For whatever reason.

Lets put it this way. If we did have a real epidemic, I would hope that my taxes had gone to some sort of plan for dealing with the huge amount of bodies piling up.

****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't, ay? Cause if there was a problem and these coffins weren't on hand the very same people would be b!tching about how their Gov didn't have their back in this time of great need.

We all know there is a power elite out there and we know they have an agenda(coz all people do). But we don't know how organized it is or what the aims are. So what, do you assume that all fools with big money agree on one strategy that is laid out on prison planet?

I think the wealthy disagree amongst themselves even more than the proletariat do.

I think that in order to get an idea to as what the elite are up to, then you should look at where they put their money, that is look at entities (including their memberships) such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilateral Commission and the Institute of International Affairs (UK). These organizations are not there just for the sake of it. They have agendas, and you will find that a One World Government is what they are looking to achieve.

Look at all the "Global" problems that are thrown at us, requiring global solutions - centralization of power. Look at centralization of power in regional entities such as the EC where the power from sovereign nations is handed to the European parliament. Remember, how the EC started as an economic entity (a cover to get public acceptance) - the European ECONOMIC Community. Look at the North American Union and where that is headed. Look at similar attempts in South America, diguised as "economic" union!

The clues are there, all you need to do is connect the dots!

Hardwork108
01-04-2012, 05:29 PM
from what i understand the president has the power to pick and choose who is considered to be an enemy of the state.

and they just made it a law in calfornia that we are not allowed open carry for guns anymore. its all kinda scary

Of course, it is scary. If one is planning to install a dictatorship then the last thing he wants is an armed population who are going to hinder things for him, hence all the laws and attempts to turn public opinions against gun ownership.

Some even claim that the lone gunmen who shoot up schools, restaurants, etc. are brainwashed assassins. Who knows, but such things are not beyond the psychopaths that are our presidents, prime ministers, etc.

Furthermore, the people who hold that the mad lone gunmen are brainwashed government patsies, hold that such shooting usually happen in the quieter towns, as to convince the populations in such places that they can be affected by the type of firearms crimes that are associated with the bigger cities (whose populations may be easier to disarm), in order to sell them the idea of disarmament.

Again, who knows, but what is for sure is that nothing is beyond the psychopathic mindsets that run our lives!

hskwarrior
01-05-2012, 07:46 AM
ok this is utterly disgusting......i mean disgusting.........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f9_1325766281

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 08:38 AM
Why be so purposely obtuse, man? I doubt there is anyone here who doesn't understand how vids end up on youtube. Such a weak defence. And from the cat who always accuses others of using distractions to avoid the point.

This is how a lot of the videos I post end up on Youtube. Researchers with brains, who see far beyond the government controlled propaganda (inclucing the "free press":rolleyes:), go on to investigate and put their finding on film. Of course, the controlled media network is not going to touch their products, so they put it up on the internet for FREE so as to inform the public about their findings and views on controvertial matters.

The rest of us, if we bother to watch them, can cross reference them with other research and PERSONAL experience and come to our own conclusion. Of course, some of us will not question anything that is not from an official source, because "Mr President, sir" would never lie to us, as he is there to take care of Americans to make sure that our "democracy:rolleyes:" is protected.........LOL!

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 08:44 AM
right, so couldnt one be so fundamentally repressed that they would jump at the chance to play alcaholic strip clubber? it doesn't sound that far fetched to me. And look at Christians, some of the most fundamental people wearing the cloth have been sucking lil d1cks all along. But how is that possible since they are fundamentalists? Is it so hard for your limited imagination to grasp that even the most stoic appearances may have something else alltogether living inside?

You really don't get this do you? LOL!

Many Christian and Muslim "fundamentalists" break their religious laws. I have seen that happen with both religions. No problem. However, wether you like it or not, there are REAL fundamentalists out there, or are you denying this?

The real ones live by the book. This is not a far fetched concept, as all religions have real fanatics. How do you know a real Islamic fundamentalist from a false one? Easy, the real one will commit suicide in the name of Allah. The false one will drink alcohol and frequent strip clubs.

See, it is easy, all you need is to look at the issue with a clear mind....;)

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 08:49 AM
Yeah, but it doesn't make it true. Or false for that matter. Until you admit that you could be wrong, I can't even take you seriously. Not because I'm so closed minded. But because I couldn't be bothered to deal with somebody who denies such fundamental truths. You don't KNOW anything. You suspect.

I have not once denied something simply because it was posted online by some non "official"(what ever that means) source. I diss you because you have so much faith in sources that may or may not be true. And the fact that you refuse to aknowledge that is the reason why I don't take you seriously.

I don't lump you together with every retard Joneshead, so I would appreciate you not lumping me in with everyone who disagrees with you.

I am a human being and I am wrong about a lot of things, but unfortunately for you guys, this subject matter is NOT one of them!

So, open your minds, that is comprehend that the US government is run by a banking elite that looks at the masses with contempt, while carrying out its own long term agenda of total world economic and military dominance. The evidence is all around you from Smucksville USA to the deserts of Iraq.

All you have to do is forget the "Hollywood" black and white (including the controlled grey areas) that are presented to you day in day out on your media and start thinking for yourselves!

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 08:57 AM
ok this is utterly disgusting......i mean disgusting.........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f9_1325766281

Thank you for posting.

I can see it now, the military and ex-military, including the odd Freemason, members of this forum will now go into denial mode and accuse you of posting "Youtube" videos.

The fact is that what is happening to all of us today is so apparent and visible that only the blind bats fail to see it. One must really take his hat off to the incredible group indoctrination techniques used on the Western masses, including the social control techniques, but as incredible as these evil forces are, many are waking up and seeing the truth for what it is.

However, we still need to wait for the "dumbos" to wake up, so as to create enough numbers to bring this dictatorship and corruption down through peaceful non-compliance and non-cooperation.

Once the system is down, then we can come back to this forum with electric rods and try and wake up the "sleeping Einsteins", who will surely be still unawake....LOL!

wenshu
01-05-2012, 10:08 AM
The real ones live by the book. This is not a far fetched concept, as all religions have real fanatics. How do you know a real Islamic fundamentalist from a false one?

Still can't find anything huh?

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 10:24 AM
Still can't find anything huh?

I see that you are hurting real bad. Look, seriously, just forget your ego, empty the glass and see things for what they are, and that is:

ISLAMIC FANATICS WHO FOLLOW EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LIKELY TO TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES, AS OPPOSED TO SO CALLED ISLAMIC FANATICS, WHO DRINK ALCOHOL AND FREQUENT STRIP CLUBS (A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE)!!!

wenshu
01-05-2012, 11:51 AM
ISLAMIC FANATICS WHO FOLLOW EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LIKELY TO TAKE THEIR OWN LIVES, AS OPPOSED TO SO CALLED ISLAMIC FANATICS, WHO DRINK ALCOHOL AND FREQUENT STRIP CLUBS (A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE)!!!

How hard can it be to find something to back this up?

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 12:01 PM
How hard can it be to find something to back this up?
The only thing that you need to "back this up" is the simple possession of intelligence!

David Jamieson
01-05-2012, 12:42 PM
Quit the bickering.

I believe you owe wenshu some proof hardwork. If you are going to make assertions that are refuted which you would like to rebuke that refutation and prove, then you will simply need to provide that in order to continue the argument.

If you cannot, then it would appear, you are wrong in your statement and must admit that.

Or provide the evidence to the contrary of what wenshu has stated.

to be fair, all bickering and feces flinging aside, that is how it works.

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 01:24 PM
Quit the bickering.

I believe you owe wenshu some proof hardwork. If you are going to make assertions that are refuted which you would like to rebuke that refutation and prove, then you will simply need to provide that in order to continue the argument.

If you cannot, then it would appear, you are wrong in your statement and must admit that.

Or provide the evidence to the contrary of what wenshu has stated.

to be fair, all bickering and feces flinging aside, that is how it works.

You are taking sides!

Perhaps you guys should point to incidents of skyscrapers free falling into their own foot prints, because of fires? The collapse of the third building (building no.7) from an "earthquake" :rolleyes: ? Incidents of alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class Arab, Islamic Fundamentalists blowing themselves up? What about FIREBALL proof passports? While you are at it, why don't you hypothesis on why people who talked about explosions on the bottom of the buildings have been prevented from giving evidence?

I am afraid that the burden of proof is on those who have provided the ridiculous official version of 9-11 and of course, those who support it!!!!

Furthermore, just because a lot of human beings have been conned into believing this insult to intelligence of a story, does not mean that burden proof falls on people who don't believe this utter cr@p!

wenshu
01-05-2012, 02:01 PM
I believe you owe wenshu some proof hardwork.

He doesn't owe me anything. No one is going to be proven right and "win" the argument. There is no point to poking the autistic guy with the debate stick since I already know how he is going to answer. Making a demonstration of it isn't going to change anything and amounts to nothing more than pure unadulterated trolling.

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 02:16 PM
He doesn't owe me anything. No one is going to be proven right and "win" the argument. There is no point to poking the autistic guy with the debate stick since I already know how he is going to answer. Making a demonstration of it isn't going to change anything and amounts to nothing more than pure unadulterated trolling.

Well, I see that you are going to keep weaseling out of providing a proof for the ridiculous official version of the 9-11 story, beside repeating the usual, "it must be true because the government says so"........:rolleyes:

PS. Stop throwing insults at Syn7. He is doing his best to follow this discussion. Infact he is doing a better job than you!

wenshu
01-05-2012, 02:32 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/wtfe_Story_by_Gifs-s300x191-220902-580.gif

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 02:38 PM
http://files.sharenator.com/wtfe_Story_by_Gifs-s300x191-220902-580.gif
True, when you give your mind away then your only reaction to attempts to wake you up are in lines with "WTF?"!

Anyway, that is a first step, so there is hope for you.....;)

Syn7
01-05-2012, 05:29 PM
Quit the bickering.

I believe you owe wenshu some proof hardwork. If you are going to make assertions that are refuted which you would like to rebuke that refutation and prove, then you will simply need to provide that in order to continue the argument.

If you cannot, then it would appear, you are wrong in your statement and must admit that.

Or provide the evidence to the contrary of what wenshu has stated.

to be fair, all bickering and feces flinging aside, that is how it works.

it'll never happen.

Syn7
01-05-2012, 05:35 PM
I am afraid that the burden of proof is on those who have provided the ridiculous official version of 9-11 and of course, those who support it!!!!


The burden of proof is on anyone making any sort of statement requiring evidence. Such as "911 was an inside job" or "911 was not an inside job".

You should know this. Stop trying to pawn sh1t off on cats all the time. It's sad and it doesn't fly here. Only a few, here, are dumb enough to be taken that way. Fortunately the majority here seems to have the ability to think for themselves to a decent degree. Kinda nice actually, quite disprportionate actually. We should consider ourselves a bit lucky.


And no, I will not be adressing your other posts for reasons I've already stated too many times. Unlike you, I tire of repeating myself. Enjoy your bliss, comrade.

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 06:26 PM
The burden of proof is on anyone making any sort of statement requiring evidence. Such as "911 was an inside job" or "911 was not an inside job".

Good, I am looking forward to your posts demanding proof from the posters here who do NOT believe that 9-11 was an inside job! LOL!


You should know this. Stop trying to pawn sh1t off on cats all the time. It's sad and it doesn't fly here. Only a few, here, are dumb enough to be taken that way. Fortunately the majority here seems to have the ability to think for themselves to a decent degree. Kinda nice actually, quite disprportionate actually. We should consider ourselves a bit lucky.
You should make the same demands from your official authorities who have been pawning off sh!t mixed with half truths for most of your life, in order to control the mindsets of the naive people such as yourself!



And no, I will not be adressing your other posts for reasons I've already stated too many times. Unlike you, I tire of repeating myself. Enjoy your bliss, comrade.

Logic dictates that every time you disagree with my "repetitions", you are repeating yourself!;)

Dragonzbane76
01-05-2012, 07:32 PM
you could skip reading anything down here syn7 and come back in a year and jump right back into the discussion like you never left. It's all a repeat, over and over.

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 07:41 PM
you could skip reading anything down here syn7 and come back in a year and jump right back into the discussion like you never left. It's all a repeat, over and over.
A lot of knowledge can be passed down through repetition

Besides, truth is constant, as it never changes......

Hardwork108
01-05-2012, 08:56 PM
Worth a look again. This video includes parallels made with Nazi Germany, and thanks again to Hskwarrior who posted it first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI&sns=fb



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David Jamieson
01-06-2012, 07:19 AM
Taking sides?

Of course I am!
Because your argument and track is ludicrous, laughable and mostly disconnected dreck.

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 10:23 AM
Taking sides?

Of course I am!
Because your argument and track is ludicrous, laughable and mostly disconnected dreck.
Good, I am still waiting for incidents of skyscrapers collapsing into their own foot prints at free fall speed, because of fires. I am also waiting for incidents of other buildings collapsing into their own foot prints because of the ground shaking caused by adjacent buildings collapsing into their own foot prints because of fires!

Don't forget fireproof passports surviving when a whole aircraft is vaporized, and then I also want to see any incidents of alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class, Westernized Islamic SUICIDE bombers! In Gaza perhaps? In Pakistan? Afghanistan? LOL!

I am going to open a can of warms and bring in the attack on the Pentagon, when a Boeing 757 is supposed to have flown at impossibly low altitudes and then crashed into the wall of the Pentagon living a hole that measured only 5 meters in circumferance? What happened to the wings, the engines? Boy, that Allah fella sure works in mysterious ways... LOL!

What is laughable is the way otherwise intelligent people have swallowed the retarded official version of 9-11, just because "the government would not do such a thing, because if they did, I would be too smart to be fooled", fantasy world that most people live in!

Very sad........................

hskwarrior
01-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Don't forget fireproof passports surviving when a whole aircraft is vaporized, and then I also want to see any incidents of alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class, Westernized Islamic SUICIDE bombers! In Gaza perhaps? In Pakistan? Afghanistan? LOL!

Muslims are another reason i absolutely HATE religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drake
01-06-2012, 12:16 PM
Funny how for years, it has always been a well-known AND DOCUMENTED fact that things like shoes, wallets, and other things survive plane crashes, many times in perfect condition.

Now it is suddenly a conspiracy.

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 12:38 PM
Funny how for years, it has always been a well-known AND DOCUMENTED fact that things like shoes, wallets, and other things survive plane crashes, many times in perfect condition.

Now it is suddenly a conspiracy.

Look, sometimes there are cases of human beings surviving plane crashes, but we are not talking about a "plane crash", we are talking about planes that VAPORIZED in front of our eyes!!!!

So, how many other passports survived these plane vaporizations?,, Wallets, perhaps? LOL!

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 01:03 PM
Muslims are another reason i absolutely HATE religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe that all world religions are control mechanisms and it is no accident that the three main ones come from the same region of the world and that they are a continuation of one another, which indicates that word - "conspiracy", yet again!

hskwarrior
01-06-2012, 02:01 PM
I believe that all world religions are control mechanisms and it is no accident that the three main ones come from the same region of the world and that they are a continuation of one another, which indicates that word - "conspiracy", yet again!

IDK about it being a conspiracy but it is a form of mass control over people. I've always felt that the bible was a book of crack pots telling stories on peyote. But, Mohammed, he was no different than jesus but muslims live by the word of a man who SAID he spoke with GOD. any religion that says its ok to lie and trick people to convert to a new religion then when all is said and done say "oh, by the way, if you drink, smoke, cheat and yadda yadda yadda or even try to leave our religion we'll KILL you"....... uh, NO THANKS. same goes for fanatic christians who are the real source of why i eliminated religion out of my life.

hskwarrior
01-06-2012, 02:24 PM
I wonder if this muslim was praying to allah when this happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVVCSI5wW9s

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 05:02 PM
IDK about it being a conspiracy

According to some researchers, Islam was created by the Catholic church. If that is true then it will explain why this system of mass mind control seems to carry on from where Christianity left off, that is, with the entree of "prophet" Mohammed. As we all know, Christianity is a continuation of Judaism. So, what we have is an evolution and distribution of a mass mind control phenomenon throughout the ages.

One can just look at the concentration of wealth in the "Holy" centers of the above mumbo jumbo religions, and how modern 21st Century politicians avoid calling the mumbo jumbo for what it is, at least publicly, and even going as far as acting as "god fearing" people, while their actions are those of immoral psychopaths.

One can also see the cult like spread of the mind numbing Christian evangelism together with that of fundamentalist Islam. We already know about millions of US dollars spent in fanning the flames of the latter kind of fundamentalism in places such as Afghanistan and Iran (the CIA/MI6 overthrow of the Shah). Some researchers believe that the Christian version of this (cable channels and T-shirts included) are initially financed and supported by Western Intelligence agencies to maintain this type of dumbing down and control of good segments of the population as yet another psychop type operation.



but it is a form of mass control over people. I've always felt that the bible was a book of crack pots telling stories on peyote. But, Mohammed, he was no different than jesus but muslims live by the word of a man who SAID he spoke with GOD. any religion that says its ok to lie and trick people to convert to a new religion then when all is said and done say "oh, by the way, if you drink, smoke, cheat and yadda yadda yadda or even try to leave our religion we'll KILL you"....... uh, NO THANKS. same goes for fanatic christians who are the real source of why i eliminated religion out of my life.
Well sir, you have spiritual intelligence and that does not come from reading books, even if they can be of some limited help in pointing the finger in the right direction.

You see the cr@p around you for what it is and you are rightfully worried. That fact puts you a zillion miles ahead of the people here in this forum, who are trapped in their own delusional intellectuality and egos, and who will only wake up when, they having been stripped of the remenants of their wealth are being marched off to special detention camps in the name of the war against "terrorism"!

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 05:08 PM
I wonder if this muslim was praying to allah when this happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVVCSI5wW9s

Drake, Drake, Drake/Wenshu, wenshu, wenshu/Syn7,Syn7 and David Jamieson, please, please, please look at this video.

This could be the final proof the official version of 9-11 needs to prove how the middle class, Westernized alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting suicidal religious fanatics, flew those aircraft with such precision into the Towers and The Pentagon.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen finally you can see above the actual video footage of Mohammed Atta training his piloting skills to perfection on a Boeing 747 flight simulator.....LOL!

hskwarrior
01-06-2012, 06:23 PM
Well sir, you have spiritual intelligence and that does not come from reading books, even if they can be of some limited help in pointing the finger in the right direction.

Bro, I went on a spiritual quest to understand why things are the way they are. I lost my attraction to religion when i noticed all of the actual ugliness behind the reliion. For example, "frank, come over here and fellowship with us and leave that female alone!. God will send you who is right for you!" Well, how the fuk did they know god didn't just send HER to me? or turning to everyone and passionately crying out "fraaaaaaaank, GoooooooooooooD has a plan for youuuuuuuuuuuu!" I realized it was all BS.

Spirituality isn't turning into some Hari krishna or something. It means to me at least that there is more the life and the universe than anyone of us could ever imagine. I believe we are not alone, i know we can see the future, i know there is life after death. There is nothing anyone can tell me differently. why? because i experienced what i know first hand. not trust some one who tells me these things, i experienced some crazy sh1t in my life and know what happened.

For example, I had two harrington rods screwed into my spine after my accident. when i was in church i actually had something spiritual happen to me that i can only attest to God as making that happen. A few days later i take x rays and those staneless steel rods were broken in half....two pieces were now four. i didn't fall down or do anything physical to break those bars. it was GOD, and no one can tell me differently. it was my experience. all else is opinion.

they say there are 7 levels to heaven and everyone works on a different vibration. those who are on the 7th level like Mother theresa are the closest to God. Those who are like Saddam are on the first level which can be called hell. when i read what my vibrational level would be it was a direct hit. it even said that people on the fourth vibrational level give up their connection to organized religion as well as other things that are directly related to me and my experience.

spirituality isn't for everyone as everyone has a different path to travel. they will get there one day and understand things in a higher sort of manner.

Syn7
01-06-2012, 06:42 PM
you could skip reading anything down here syn7 and come back in a year and jump right back into the discussion like you never left. It's all a repeat, over and over.

yeah, i did just that. not a year, but awhile.

Syn7
01-06-2012, 06:44 PM
Look, sometimes there are cases of human beings surviving plane crashes, but we are not talking about a "plane crash", we are talking about planes that VAPORIZED in front of our eyes!!!!

So, how many other passports survived these plane vaporizations?,, Wallets, perhaps? LOL!

i never saw any vaporizing. you need a thesaurus.

Syn7
01-06-2012, 06:45 PM
I believe that all world religions are control mechanisms and it is no accident that the three main ones come from the same region of the world and that they are a continuation of one another, which indicates that word - "conspiracy", yet again!

yeah, but only two of them our crusading religions. one is an exclusive club you're born into. huge difference.

Syn7
01-06-2012, 06:50 PM
Well sir, you have spiritual intelligence and that does not come from reading books, even if they can be of some limited help in pointing the finger in the right direction.

you'll just ride the nuttz of any cat who agrees with anything you say huh? spiritual intelligence, lol. seriously, come on....

hskwarrior
01-06-2012, 07:13 PM
you'll just ride the nuttz of any cat who agrees with anything you say huh? spiritual intelligence, lol. seriously, come on...

I can definitely think for myself. My eyes are open. there are some things you have to experience to be able to speak on certain things in life. There is such a thing as spiritual intelligence if you think about it. If there are things about spirituality that you don't understand you cannot rightly claim to be spiritually intelligent or even spiritually aware, can you?

example, if you claim that psychic abilities are not real at all, how do you explain that to the person who is actually experiencing these things? no one can tell me i never saw a ghost, a UFO, auras, or even saw something happen in my mind prior to it happening. I've got a ton of stories of things that i saw or knew before it took place.

see, there are things like 9/11 that everyone is fighting over. i'm no demolition master but any idiot would know that building seven wasn't by accident. what struck the pentagon wasn't a plane. certain things don't add up right for it all to be as its said to have happened. and of course we all want to be proud of our military, but with that one video i posted where that soldier held up that puppy and just tossed it like a rag doll, or the shooting of those sheep as the rode by and many of the stuff in that video contradicts what we've all be thinking about our place in the big picture.

my whole thing is try to know all the sides first before making any judgements. all will reveal itself when we reach our heaven.

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 07:52 PM
yeah, but only two of them our crusading religions. one is an exclusive club you're born into. huge difference.

Yes, but when you are born into this religion, then you are dimmed some how "special", telling you that you are special in that context is a way of indoctrinating you. So, it is the same story but with a different twist.

These religions divide men (as they were meant too) and turn them into each other's enemies, because each idiot feels special, not because of who he is individually, as we are all special, but because he belongs to one fantasy cult, rather than another!

There is one "god" or universal energy and we all are part of it. Spiritual people and searchers know this fact and know that their consciousness is immortal. Throughout history, the powers that be did not want people to be spiritual and privi to this simple knowledge, hence the existance of religions that for the most part have hijacked people's true spirituality and together with manipulated wars, violence and mayhem have a kept the human race within lower vibrational fields.

I would suggest that it is the decendants (blood lines) of the same elements who conquered continents in the name of these fantasy religions and belief (mind control) systems, who are running the world now - or did you think that they would tire of calling the shots?

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 08:03 PM
you'll just ride the nuttz of any cat who agrees with anything you say huh? spiritual intelligence, lol. seriously, come on....
Wow, I did not know that there were cats posting in this forum.

Gene, did you know about this?:confused:

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 08:04 PM
i never saw any vaporizing.

You are kidding, right? LOL!

Good, where are all the other passports, shoes, etc that were found? LOL!

Hardwork108
01-06-2012, 08:06 PM
I can definitely think for myself. My eyes are open. there are some things you have to experience to be able to speak on certain things in life. There is such a thing as spiritual intelligence if you think about it. If there are things about spirituality that you don't understand you cannot rightly claim to be spiritually intelligent or even spiritually aware, can you?

example, if you claim that psychic abilities are not real at all, how do you explain that to the person who is actually experiencing these things? no one can tell me i never saw a ghost, a UFO, auras, or even saw something happen in my mind prior to it happening. I've got a ton of stories of things that i saw or knew before it took place.

see, there are things like 9/11 that everyone is fighting over. i'm no demolition master but any idiot would know that building seven wasn't by accident. what struck the pentagon wasn't a plane. certain things don't add up right for it all to be as its said to have happened. and of course we all want to be proud of our military, but with that one video i posted where that soldier held up that puppy and just tossed it like a rag doll, or the shooting of those sheep as the rode by and many of the stuff in that video contradicts what we've all be thinking about our place in the big picture.

my whole thing is try to know all the sides first before making any judgements. all will reveal itself when we reach our heaven.

They will never understand, because they are not "there" yet.....

They just believe what they are told by the system, because they are the products, or at least allowed themselves to be the products of the system. They will bring up any crack pot "scientific" argument to back up the official version, repeated to them a hundred times from their TV sets.

Of course, if the du du hits the fan and there are some revelations that expose the whole 9-11 scam and they see it on their evening news, then they will be the first to forget their "scientific" theories and the usual, "the government would not do such a thing", mindsets!

hskwarrior
01-07-2012, 02:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29QV_GNMt3Q&feature=player_embedded#!

Proof of a conspiracy

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/index.htm

America's secret establishment (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Menj7PqDKsMJ:sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119639.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj1dyt5aw8zKlxLRXWD1zRG1t-WXtKftzhXoM1VxG-R6qowLTKRVvOYkiHFct7fIT2aLxj2W5RScApxM_34yES1Q-GpGbutgWAQ63m80AVVHWM6xo7AoZ-nhVIqI8wYZc0uyWmW&sig=AHIEtbREezyARRPCa3Vi9ph70QgATX8UJA&pli=1)

in the above book it talks about cold fusion and free energy and why it isn't in the spot light right now.....this is free energy!!!!

Syn7
01-07-2012, 04:46 PM
I can definitely think for myself. My eyes are open. there are some things you have to experience to be able to speak on certain things in life. There is such a thing as spiritual intelligence if you think about it. If there are things about spirituality that you don't understand you cannot rightly claim to be spiritually intelligent or even spiritually aware, can you?

example, if you claim that psychic abilities are not real at all, how do you explain that to the person who is actually experiencing these things? no one can tell me i never saw a ghost, a UFO, auras, or even saw something happen in my mind prior to it happening. I've got a ton of stories of things that i saw or knew before it took place.

see, there are things like 9/11 that everyone is fighting over. i'm no demolition master but any idiot would know that building seven wasn't by accident. what struck the pentagon wasn't a plane. certain things don't add up right for it all to be as its said to have happened. and of course we all want to be proud of our military, but with that one video i posted where that soldier held up that puppy and just tossed it like a rag doll, or the shooting of those sheep as the rode by and many of the stuff in that video contradicts what we've all be thinking about our place in the big picture.

my whole thing is try to know all the sides first before making any judgements. all will reveal itself when we reach our heaven.

i was talking to HW. personally, i dont care what anyone believes. its not the message i have issue with...

Syn7
01-07-2012, 04:48 PM
You are kidding, right? LOL!

Good, where are all the other passports, shoes, etc that were found? LOL!

not at all. you know what vaporize means don't you?

Syn7
01-07-2012, 04:49 PM
They will never understand, because they are not "there" yet.....

They just believe what they are told by the system, because they are the products, or at least allowed themselves to be the products of the system. They will bring up any crack pot "scientific" argument to back up the official version, repeated to them a hundred times from their TV sets.

Of course, if the du du hits the fan and there are some revelations that expose the whole 9-11 scam and they see it on their evening news, then they will be the first to forget their "scientific" theories and the usual, "the government would not do such a thing", mindsets!

so anyone who agrees with you is "there"? that's how you act. your insecurities are manifesting in undesirable ways, comrade.

Drake
01-07-2012, 06:52 PM
Many small items were recovered after 9/11, for those here who aren't mong bat crazy. Wallets, money, etc were all recovered. For whatever reason, mong bats are locking in this, despite how normal of an occurence it is.

Hardwork108
01-08-2012, 03:00 AM
so anyone who agrees with you is "there"?

There may be a lot of stuff that hskwarrior may disagree with me, but he is "there", while you and your other friends here are "lost in the woods".....


that's how you act. your insecurities are manifesting in undesirable ways,
I would say that you are being exposed to your own insecurities in "undesirable" to you, ways.......;)



comrade.
:confused: :rolleyes:

That is very ironic coming from a guy whose country is being turned into a centralized collective dictatorship.....

You really should watch the interview posted by Hskwarrior in a recent post.

Hardwork108
01-08-2012, 03:04 AM
not at all. you know what vaporize means don't you?
Yes I do. This was not some aircraft that crash landed on some mountain side or where wreckage was spread all over an area. Those planes were full of fuel and exploded on impact, and anything inside of them was vaporized!

So, where are all the other passports, shoes, and wallets, that survived the vaporization of those aircraft?

Hardwork108
01-08-2012, 03:06 AM
Many small items were recovered after 9/11, for those here who aren't mong bat crazy. Wallets, money, etc were all recovered. For whatever reason, mong bats are locking in this, despite how normal of an occurence it is.

Oh really? How many other passorts were recovered? Or were they recovered and then buried at sea.....:rolleyes:

David Jamieson
01-08-2012, 05:50 AM
so, back to my question.

what is it that you hope to achieve with this?

Hardwork108
01-08-2012, 09:25 AM
so, back to my question.

what is it that you hope to achieve with this?

What do you mean by "this"? Are you referring to subject matters that should not be talked about until we are totally trapped in a one world government dictatorship, a control system based on some Freemasonic (and related secret society network) hogwash?

Is that why you - a self admitted "high degree" Freemason - stated, or at least implied in a past post that the New World Order is a good thing and that it would be a fairer world for all if the NWO was installed? If you admit to this then please explain and discuss why any world political system installed by psychopaths who invade sovereign nations and mass murder their way to their given agenda as well as even greater power and wealth, are going to be concerned about fairness and the well being of rest of the humanity?


So to answer your question, I posted a video that is very relevant to the world we live in now, hoping for an intelligent discussion, not to have a mud slinging contest with the politically clueless members of the Western Hemisphere.

So far we have had only two other members who have made relevant and intelligent comments. The rest have gone into the usual denial mode and have hidden behind ignorance and pseudo science, or is it bought and paid for "science"? A "science" that we see so often in the Pharmaceutical fields, as well as the mumbo jumbo science that supports the theory of "Man made global warming", an absolute CON-JOB and yet another attempt to create GLOBAL solutions for non-existant global problems, through international organizations that are meant to be the pillars of a world government? Of course, we can't forget that this LIE is being also used to install international taxation to relieve the masses of even more of their wealth.

Again, this is an interesting area of research and discussion in the Off Topic section of this site and it seems that many people can use some new knowledge in this very relevant and important subject matter.

MightyB
01-09-2012, 07:22 AM
There is no "conspiracy" in the literal sense of a bunch of hooded men in a backroom dictating world policy... it's more of a conspiracy by accident caused by Market forces, capital/profit above labor, rampant deregulation, greed, cost externalizations and general human drama BS. We're by nature rotten, greedy, self centered, egotistical, nasty, hedonistic creatures. People in power do what's natural to them - deny access to power and wealth to others partly out of fear, and partly out of contempt. It's a way for them to feel superior.

David Jamieson
01-09-2012, 07:33 AM
What do you mean by "this"?

I mean, what do you hope to achieve by posting your opinion about conspiracy theories into an off topic section of a Kung Fu website that has little if anything to do with conspiracy etc.

What is it you are seeking to do with these posts? What are you expecting to come of this? Is there a point?

Please read what I have said in a literal sense. I do not "mean" anything other than exactly what I am asking you.

Hardwork108
01-09-2012, 10:40 AM
I mean, what do you hope to achieve by posting your opinion about conspiracy theories into an off topic section of a Kung Fu website that has little if anything to do with conspiracy etc.
First of all, it so happens that a lot of the "awake" people in regards to these REAL conspiracies are KUNG FU people. Real ones and not the pseudo "kung fu-ists" (who throw MMA, Mcdojo, BJJ and whatever else that "works" in for good measure and still refer to what they do, TCMAs), that seem to form the majority of the posters here.

Secondly, the "Off Topic" section of any website is just that, OFF TOPIC. Serious political discussions are very relevant to the world we live in today.


What is it you are seeking to do with these posts? What are you expecting to come of this? Is there a point?
My purpose is to inform the uninformed, while hoping to have an intelligent discussion, that goes further than the usual, "the government would not do such a thing, because we live in civilized countries, and if they did, I would know about it, because I am smart", nor the implied and may I say retarded, "the ends will justify the means and that we are going to end up living in a "just" world under the NWO"!


Please read what I have said in a literal sense. I do not "mean" anything other than exactly what I am asking you.
Well, I answered you literally, just like I did before!

I am just putting things on the board that you are not going to see through your absolutely controlled media. There are facts there that not out in the public domain, so the sheep do not know about them.

I believe the sheep need to be informed. Once they are, then the ball is in their court. They can either look things up for themselves and find out more, or attempt an intelligent discussion once presented with another view of what is happening in the world.

Of course, they can also ignore what is presented to them and hide their heads in the sands of their own illusional pseudo intellectual worlds.

It is also obvious that some (eg. Drake and you), fool themselves into believing that they are going to get something out of the NWO agenda, and thus feel intellectually superior and privileged. I would suggest that this last group will be the first to be "sent to the gallows" if the NWO agenda succeeds. ;)

Anyway, I am still presenting interesting information on an Off Topics board in an internet forum. Make of it what you will!

hskwarrior
01-09-2012, 11:51 AM
Did anyone try to read those books i posted? if you stay open minded and give it an honest chance, they might open your eyes to some things like the dumbing down of america.

In my own defense, I always take a moment to research a little before i make an opinion on something. Like Alex Jones, i thought wow this guy is on to something, but the more i paid him attention, i started realizing he may be making things out to seem bigger than what they really are.

what i do know is prior to this taking place, alex jones and his guests were on point on many things especially whats going on with oil and stuff. what he warned about actually happened. so i try to believe only half of what he says until i can back it up with some evidence.

my question is this, with some of the worlds most evil people in history around the world, why is it we don't believe it can happen in america? corruption, lies, media blackouts, class wars and what not, why couldn't america be involved with conspiracy? why is conspiracy out of the question for america?

David Jamieson
01-09-2012, 12:26 PM
First of all, it so happens that a lot of the "awake" people in regards to these REAL conspiracies are KUNG FU people. Real ones and not the pseudo "kung fu-ists" (who throw MMA, Mcdojo, BJJ and whatever else that "works" in for good measure and still refer to what they do, TCMAs), that seem to form the majority of the posters here.

Secondly, the "Off Topic" section of any website is just that, OFF TOPIC. Serious political discussions are very relevant to the world we live in today.


My purpose is to inform the uninformed, while hoping to have an intelligent discussion, that goes further than the usual, "the government would not do such a thing, because we live in civilized countries, and if they did, I would know about it, because I am smart", nor the implied and may I say retarded, "the ends will justify the means and that we are going to end up living in a "just" world under the NWO"!


Well, I answered you literally, just like I did before!

I am just putting things on the board that you are not going to see through your absolutely controlled media. There are facts there that not out in the public domain, so the sheep do not know about them.

I believe the sheep need to be informed. Once they are, then the ball is in their court. They can either look things up for themselves and find out more, or attempt an intelligent discussion once presented with another view of what is happening in the world.

Of course, they can also ignore what is presented to them and hide their heads in the sands of their own illusional pseudo intellectual worlds.

It is also obvious that some (eg. Drake and you), fool themselves into believing that they are going to get something out of the NWO agenda, and thus feel intellectually superior and privileged. I would suggest that this last group will be the first to be "sent to the gallows" if the NWO agenda succeeds. ;)

Anyway, I am still presenting interesting information on an Off Topics board in an internet forum. Make of it what you will!

So, you still haven't answered. Your information has been rejected as false more often than not and has been refuted pretty well I would say.

What I make of it? I think it's clear what we make of it. That you have no credible academia support and nothing but tin foil hat sites that you keep posting again and again while shouting at people to wake up...well, that says a lot about you more than the subject.

You do not have an open mind and have demonstrated it again and again. You will not accept other points of view and when yours is torn down and shown to be incorrect, you will restate it anyway.

So, you still have not responded with what you hope to achieve.

I can only guess that you hope to achieve acceptance and to be seen as some kind of intellect which you are otherwise not because you are lazy and will not take the route of real study and real understanding and choose to let idiots present their information for you to merely regurgitate here while telling us that we are all asleep.

So what is your cited research? where are your cited papers and what support have you got for those papers and viewpoints?

It's ok, I do not expect you to be able to comprehend what I am asking. I am expecting you to come back with more insults and further regurgitation of other whack ideas and even more shouting at people that they need to wake up.

You need to wake up. Look around, most of us are fully awake and don't care about your rants because they're stupid rants that cannot be backed up in any certain way and you yourself have done zero research of your own, have found nothing of your own and easily give buy in to fringe thinkers who can be shown to be wrong.

That i am only the thousandth person to point this out to you and that you continue on this same path after being banned for it indicates that you suffer from a mental issue that you are not seeking help for.

that you will not be able to comprehend that and that you will be incredulous about it is foreseeable. If only you had gotten more attention as a child you likely wouldn't have to suffer such ridicule at the hands of people like me or anyone else here on this forum.

Drake
01-09-2012, 12:41 PM
Did anyone try to read those books i posted? if you stay open minded and give it an honest chance, they might open your eyes to some things like the dumbing down of america.

In my own defense, I always take a moment to research a little before i make an opinion on something. Like Alex Jones, i thought wow this guy is on to something, but the more i paid him attention, i started realizing he may be making things out to seem bigger than what they really are.

what i do know is prior to this taking place, alex jones and his guests were on point on many things especially whats going on with oil and stuff. what he warned about actually happened. so i try to believe only half of what he says until i can back it up with some evidence.

my question is this, with some of the worlds most evil people in history around the world, why is it we don't believe it can happen in america? corruption, lies, media blackouts, class wars and what not, why couldn't america be involved with conspiracy? why is conspiracy out of the question for america?


Because there's nothing that says it IS happening. Of course it is possible. Look at Germany and how quickly Hitler took control. But the burden of proof falls upon the person making the accusation of a conspiracy. And proof, for me anyway, goes far beyond speculation and guesswork, or making up stories that COULD happen. It's like seeing a car crash on a Saturday night, and saying, with no doubt in your mind, the driver must have been drunk. You omit all other perfectly acceptable possibilities to support your bias.

I'm not so naive that I don't think there are those looking out for their own best interests. I do not, however, believe in a super secret organization bent on world domination.

Even if it DID exist, it is ran by morons who have no idea what they are doing.

hskwarrior
01-09-2012, 01:16 PM
I'm not so naive that I don't think there are those looking out for their own best interests. I do not, however, believe in a super secret organization bent on world domination.

I feel you. And i want to be proud to be american. yet, Skull and Bones exists and they are on the Satanic tip there. Many from our government are bonesman and many still coming. like i said, i'm ready to get off this ride, but i can't lie, i am very afraid for our children and the world they will grow up in.

Drake you're military, can i ask you this? Does it offend you to see your fellow soldiers killing for sport? or like seen in that video i posted taking a puppy and just throwing it the way he did? How about our soldiers riding by and just shooting up those sheep for no good reason? there are those guys who've said they were ordered to do inhumane things to the people in the middle east.

You know we NEVER get to understand what its like for the people in afghanistan and surrounding cities and states. I was working for a middle eastern muslim guy and i asked him questions about why this and that over in his country. then he broke it down to me about suicide bombers.......he posed the question to me "what would you do if we came to the usa and did what usa is doing in our country?" he made me realize what it was like to have military come breaking into your house and dragging you and your family members out into the street and in come cases even shooting them......

I guess i'm finally getting tired of all violence and want to live the rest of my life in a peaceful manner without worrying about war, money, crime, conspiracies, and all the other BS. I want america to come back home. the focus to come back home. our military to come back home. put our own country first, rebuild us. REBUILD US! We try to act like we're the best country in the world. well, its not true. just take a close look at america. we're FCKed up!!!!!!

David Jamieson
01-09-2012, 02:09 PM
Skull and bones is a yale frat boy tap in group. The KKK is still around and what power do they yield outside of the bonfire parties and racism hoe downs? Nothing. How about us Freemasons? We are without a doubt one of the top 10 largest charitable organizations on the planet and people think we fly around in UFOS using scalar weapons. How about secret militias? All sorts of cabals exist and have no real power. Power shifts from one generation to the next. IN 1901 the most powerful country in the world was Great Britain, After WW2 it was the USA and in 20 years it will be China and who knows after that. the point is that there is nothing in place that is sustainable as far as evil cabals go. They last as long as a person does then they expire.

In any country, it will be the wealthy and privileged who get pulled into future leader clubs. That's human nature.

That is no fault of their own, but rather it is a general elitist attitude held by ALL.

Who wants some halfwit partially educated fool to run the country anyway? That's what Congress is for. :p

To think that there is this huge machination of evil out there is pretty much just stupid at the heart of it. yeah, there's wickedness in the world and yeah, it can have a seat of power at times, but is it a constant? Only as applicable to the human condition and the spirit of the times in the country which we each live.

To somebody with a different set of cultural references, this entire line of discussion is nonsense and a waste of time. Laughable really.

Drake
01-09-2012, 02:12 PM
It offends all of us when that happens. It destroys the mission, and embarasses all of us. But keep in mind that is just a handful out of hundreds of thousands who have served honorably. That "death squad" is likely going away... for life. And it's looking like a lot of officer careers just got sunk as a result as well.

But yeah... one ******* on youtube can cause a lot of damage.

hskwarrior
01-09-2012, 02:59 PM
Skull and bones is a yale frat boy tap in group. The KKK is still around and what power do they yield outside of the bonfire parties and racism hoe downs?

Bro, you know that favorites are played even by fraternity bro's. Are you saying that you'd deny one of your lodge bro's an advantage in some type of opportunity? I'm sworn to always take care of my brother. I know you would too.

I'm saying at look "WHO" are bonesman. Presidents, CEO's, blah blah blah all down the line. the ones making the most money are most likely bonesman as well. Look at war, there's only a few who profit from war. seriously, what would our military be doing if this world knew nothing but peace for the next million years? another example is "free energy" as in cold fusion and such. why isn't that brought out to the public more? because the energy companies need to find suckers to buy all of their equipment to stall for time so they can make money off of free energy. i've heard this free energy could end poverty. but the capitalists want to make money so its not popular right now.



We are without a doubt one of the top 10 largest charitable organizations on the planet and people think we fly around in UFOS using scalar weapons.

freemasons flying ufo's? **** i wanna join that lodge!!!!! LOL

however, to think we are the only living beings in such a vast universe is an egotistical and elitist type of mind set. Then all of that goes back to the government controlling what they want us to know. i will say there are some quacks out there, but to say UFO's and i mean real UFO's don't exist is wrong in my opinion. as i've stated before a few times, i've seen a ufo sphere up close myself and i know i'm not crazy or making sh1t up. it was even on the news later that night.


the point is that there is nothing in place that is sustainable as far as evil cabals go. They last as long as a person does then they expire.

This is all i can hope for. the old guard dying off. Now, lets take the bank bail outs for example. how many of them are from the same fraternity? then ask yourself, did they come to the aide of the frat bro's or was that a great move for the people of the united states? i'm leaning to think that they got the brotherhood going on and went to help them, sacrifice us over their brothers.


To think that there is this huge machination of evil out there is pretty much just stupid at the heart of it.

its about money. and money is the root to all evil. see, we feel its about them control us. i'm sure you heard that we are nothing but mindless sheep, useless feeders (or eaters)...to the elite right? see, i would think if the government cared about the people, we would all have bomb shelters to go to in case of nuclear war. but only the government will be safe because they have theirs.

anyway, this world sucks. and as long as we have the need for money it will always suck. money doesn't necessarily make one happy, but when people are getting 160 million dollar pay raises or bonuses, thats a huge knife in the gut of someone who is struggling to make it day by day. money is the root to all evil.

for me, i don't pick sides. I'm just waiting to go back home. that is why i say i will become a martyr if martial law seriously kicked off here in the states.

David Jamieson
01-09-2012, 04:01 PM
Political advantage, seeking of rank and fortune is frowned upon in Freemasonry actually and were one of my lodge brethren in that pursuit, I wouldn't even know because it is to be eschewed by us both by our own oaths and obligations.

So, no, I wouldn't support a brother in any endeavour that is contrary to those landmarks within Freemasonry. I would seek to demit that guy actually. Any regular Mason would. Because his actions and conduct would not be in keeping with his obligations and oaths.

Sardinkahnikov
01-09-2012, 05:52 PM
however, to think we are the only living beings in such a vast universe is an egotistical and elitist type of mind set.


I think it was Jared Diamond who had a nice little argument against the idea of exterrestrial intelligent life. Basically, the development of intelligent life in both Earth and elsewhere, being a case of convergent evolution, would seem, at first, very likely, given the dimension of the Universe and the evolutionary advantage it represents. He argued, however, how woodpecking is also a undeniably useful adaptation, but, in nature, in is restricted to wood******s alone - that is, Diamond said that, even in a potentialy infinite cesspool of life, evolution won't necessarily direct different species to our "divine gift", i.e., intelligence/spirit/whatever you want to call it.

Well, I think it's an interesting point of view, at least, despite that the argument for the existance of life elsewhere in the universe is pretty compelling.



anyway, this world sucks. and as long as we have the need for money it will always suck. money doesn't necessarily make one happy, but when people are getting 160 million dollar pay raises or bonuses, thats a huge knife in the gut of someone who is struggling to make it day by day. money is the root to all evil.


There was a research on happiness that suggested that wealth above what we would consider middle class doesn't have much impact on your overrall happiness; you don't get increasely happier as you gather money. The point, I think, is that the goal of amassing riches is power, not happiness, freedom or anything like that.

Drake
01-09-2012, 06:04 PM
There's a HUGE difference between "Good 'ol Boy" networks, which exist **** near everywhere (ESPECIALLY IN KUNG FU), and an evil congomerate out for world domination.

Getting your old college drinking buddy a job isn't the same as fabricating 9/11.

David Jamieson
01-09-2012, 06:57 PM
There's a HUGE difference between "Good 'ol Boy" networks, which exist **** near everywhere (ESPECIALLY IN KUNG FU), and an evil congomerate out for world domination.

Getting your old college drinking buddy a job isn't the same as fabricating 9/11.

Also, there is a difference between "gross incompetence" and "evil cabal". However, I think many people are more comfortable with the idea of an evil cabal.

EDIT: I also think I just reiterated what YOU said in the other thread.

Hardwork108
01-09-2012, 09:03 PM
So, you still haven't answered.
But I have answered everything asked of me. Either you are refusing to see it because you are too scared to come out of your illusional pseudo intellectual comfort zone, or you are just trying to send the wrong message as regards my character.


Your information has been rejected as false more often than not and has been refuted pretty well I would say.

You would, for sure. There is nothing wrong with my information. I am still waiting for you to show me instances of alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting Islamic suicide bombers!

I am also waiting for you to show me instances of skyscrapers collapsing into their own foot prints at free fall speed, because of their top floors being on fire.

I am looking for other passports and paper items that survived the disintigration of the aircraft!

You can't provide me with any of the above, because the official version of 9-11 is BALLONEY!


What I make of it? I think it's clear what we make of it. That you have no credible academia support and nothing but tin foil hat sites that you keep posting again and again while shouting at people to wake up...well, that says a lot about you more than the subject.

You do not have an open mind and have demonstrated it again and again. You will not accept other points of view and when yours is torn down and shown to be incorrect, you will restate it anyway.

Where is your "academia support"for the BALLONEY version of the events? CNN? ABC? NBC? Who regurgitate the official version? Come on, where?


So, you still have not responded with what you hope to achieve.
Yes, keep on pretending that I have not answered your question, in a vain attempt to discredit me.....LOL

Here it goes, yet again...I am posting new for some, information so that we can discuss it here in the Off Topic section, and to hopefully wake up some of the people who have not been privy to this type of knowledge.


I can only guess

STOP!

All of your guesses about me have been wrong so far, that includes the guesses about the country I live in. If I were you, I would stop guessing and start contemplating the fact that perhaps there are some people who know more than you about the subject matter that is being discussed.

Now, that would be good "guess". ;)



that you hope to achieve acceptance

I don't need your or anyone elses acceptance. I am on my way to being a successful businessman in a beautiful tropical country. I have a family that love me and I have a few friends that are the real deal, so I don' t need the acceptance of a bunch indoctrinated closed minded characters.

Now, if they were to open their minds, not necessarilly accepting 100% of what I am saying, but be willing to discuss the points raised like intelligent human beings, then perhaps THEY would gain my acceptance!




and to be seen as some kind of intellect which you are otherwise not because you are lazy and will not take the route of real study and real understanding


Oh really? How far have YOU researched the official mumbo jumbo version of what happened on 9-11, a version that you protect so adamantly? Well of course you haven't! You assume that the government would not do such a thing because they are just bunch of nice people trying to do a job in a complicated world and after all governments made up of a large proportion of high degree Freemasons would never be "bad" people, would they? :rolleyes:



and choose to let idiots present their information for you to merely regurgitate here while telling us that we are all asleep.


Isn't that what you and your "camp" are doing here, that is regurgitating and defending the version presented to you by some brain dead idiot, whoops sorry, I meant a bought and paid for journalist, that is just repeating the government version?



So what is your cited research? where are your cited papers and what support have you got for those papers and viewpoints?


There was research in the documentary I posted, called "Zero". I you are not going to watch the evidence and views presented, then you would to best not ask for "evidence".

So, where is your evidence? Two planes hit, but three buildings collapsed into their own footprints at free fall speed. What happened there?

Oh yes sorry, I forgot, the government would never do such a thing, they are just a bunch of Freemasons doing the best they can in a complicted world......LOL! :rolleyes:



It's ok, I do not expect you to be able to comprehend what I am asking.

You know Jamieson, I have understood you to the T from the first you interacted with me in this forum, all those years ago when I was newbie and you "attacked" me aggressively. I would have thought that you would have learned your lesson that day, but I guess you haven't.



I am expecting you to come back with more insults and further regurgitation of other whack ideas and even more shouting at people that they need to wake up.

Why do you feel insulted when someone tells you that you don't know the depth of the subject area being discussed? :confused:

There is a difference between facts and insults. Hey, you could tell me that you know more about Whisky appreciation than I do, and I would not take that as insult and would even admire you for having a good pallate to enjoy high quality beverages.



You need to wake up. Look around, most of us are fully awake and don't care about your rants because they're stupid rants that cannot be backed up in any certain way and you yourself have done zero research of your own, have found nothing of your own and easily give buy in to fringe thinkers who can be shown to be wrong.

Right back at you!

Just that you need to change the phrase, "fringe thinkers", to "system's yes men"!



That i am only the thousandth person to point this out to you and that you continue on this same path after being banned for it

I was banned for posting politically "controvertial" videos? :confused:




indicates that you suffer from a mental issue that you are not seeking help for.

Wrong guess again.....LOL!

Boy, you would think that after getting wrong all the time, one would stop guessing and jumping to conclusions about other members here.....

Ok here goes. I am a very balanced person. I have no insecurity issues; no envy issues and I like a good laugh.

The stuff that is so "out of this world" to you guys is stuff that has been discussed in my family since I was a kid, by parents and grand parents, for that matter, while many of you were being indoctrinated by singing songs about "democracy", "freedom", "justice" and all that brain numbing hog wash.



If only you had gotten more attention as a child you likely wouldn't have to suffer such ridicule at the hands of people like me or anyone else here on this forum.
Another wrong guess! LOL!

boy, if guessing wrong was an Olympic game, you could represent Canada, I tell ya....LOL!

Again, I got a lot of attention as a child. In my culture that is a very important aspect of family life. I not only got attention from my parents, but also grand parents and uncles and aunts. To be sincere, I had an enviable childhood, it was great to have been surrounded with so much love. This may be one of the reasons I see the notion of "wars and killing being a natural human passtime", as retarded and backward!

Anyway, if you want to discuss this matter intelligently, then the least you could do is watch the documentaries posted in this thread by Hskwarrior and myself, otherwise coming here and insulting my character by shooting in the dark guesses will only be unproductive.

I mean, how would you feel if someone came here and without knowing you hypothesized that you had had a bad childhgood?

Hardwork108
01-09-2012, 09:08 PM
Political advantage, seeking of rank and fortune is frowned upon in Freemasonry actually and were one of my lodge brethren in that pursuit, I wouldn't even know because it is to be eschewed by us both by our own oaths and obligations.

So, no, I wouldn't support a brother in any endeavour that is contrary to those landmarks within Freemasonry. I would seek to demit that guy actually. Any regular Mason would. Because his actions and conduct would not be in keeping with his obligations and oaths.

Interesting, it would be great to find out how many high degree Freemasons are and were in power in the US, Britain and elsewhere, when those countries, participated in wars, mass murder, mass looting, destabalization of sovereingn nation, etc.;)

Wasn't President Johnson a 33rd degree Freemason, when he took office after JFK's death from being hit by an apparently "magic" bullet? Wasn't he the President who increased the US effort in Vietnam, leading to millions of innocent deaths and millions of dollars of profits for arms manufacturers? How many of the directors and shareholders of these arms manufacturers are Freemasons also, or are Freemasons banned from the arms business?

Wasn't that other "fantastic" human being, J. Edgar Hoover, the then head of the FBI, a 33rd degree Freemason as well? And the then head of the CIA and member of the Warren Commission, set up by President Johnson himself to investigate the JFK assassination, Allen Dulles, wasn't he a 33rd degree Freemason.

I believe HIGH DEGREE Freemasonary to be a lot more than just a glorified charity organization, which is the public image presented to the masses.

By the way, all known and admitted to, secret organizations have a public "cover". The same is true about the CIA, which of course is a spy organization. I believe that their "cover" says that they gather information relevant for the security of the US. I guess anybody saying that they destablize nations, create wars, assassinate people, is tin hat wearing conspiracy "theorist", also.......LOL!

Hardwork108
01-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Also, there is a difference between "gross incompetence" and "evil cabal". However, I think many people are more comfortable with the idea of an evil cabal.

EDIT: I also think I just reiterated what YOU said in the other thread.

I would suggest to you that "gross incompetence" is used regularly as a cover for planned operations. EG. "Whoops, we made mistake, no weapons of destruction in Iraq"; "Whoops, we made a mistake, we did not take the threat from Al Qaeda (:rolleyes:) seriously; Whoops, we made mistake, we did not send interceptor jets to stop the planes, one of which was hijacked and flying around for 45 minutes"; etc. and etc.

The fact is that for these people, then most important element is to carry out the steps required to get them to their NWO "destination", so they don't mind looking stupid on the way, as long as they get their way. Anyway, it is rarely the real powers that are made to look stupid to start with, just some puppet politician put there to act on their behalf.

Makes sense, no?

David Jamieson
01-10-2012, 05:35 AM
What an odd little man you are. You do nothing, know nothing obviously and yet still try to pretend as if you do.

Amazing how you persist with it as well as if you are couched in the belief that if you tell the lie enough it becomes truth.

well it doesn't.

Your delusion is still delusion whether you wrote it here in 2009 or you write it today.

Hardwork108
01-10-2012, 12:10 PM
Way to go, avoiding the issue of Freemasons being in power within Western governments (specialy the US and Great Britain), during times when these governments were mass murdering and pillaging other nations, or were they involved in some mysterious "charity" activities that are not aware of?:rolleyes:

You can run, but you can't hide, as truth has a way of finding you......


What an odd little man you are. You do nothing, know nothing obviously and yet still try to pretend as if you do.

Yet again, right back at you!


Amazing how you persist with it as well as if you are couched in the belief that if you tell the lie enough it becomes truth.
You must be talking about the official version of 9-11, in which case you can also say, "the bigger the lie, the more people who will believe it"!

Personally speaking, I have better things to do then come here and invent stories....



Your delusion is still delusion whether you wrote it here in 2009 or you write it today.

Except that in now in 2012 many citizens of the Western countries are even less free than they were in 2009, not to mention poorer (robbed blind that by the powers that be)!

David Jamieson
01-10-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't discuss with outsiders.

You're an ignorant outsider, so, I'll just let you swim in that.
It identifies you to us. :p

Hardwork108
01-10-2012, 01:40 PM
I don't discuss with outsiders.

You're an ignorant outsider, so, I'll just let you swim in that.
It identifies you to us. :p

Well you have summed up how the financial Elite and their hand picked psychopathic political leaders view the masses, even if you thinly disguised it as a joke.

If anyone has any doubts then just look at the world around you, within your country and of course in far away mineral rich nations!

Thanks DJ for your "clarification", even if you are still avoiding the important point raised that questions the PUBLIC image projected by your brotherhood of Freemasons, in contrast to acts of mass murder and pillaging when their members have been running US and British governments during history.

PS. I am glad that I am an "outsider", I would not be part of that cult even if you offered me a Billion dollars, and I mean that! The same goes for the Skull and Bones society.

Please watch the interview posted by Hskwarrior, jsut to get an initial idea of what S&B society is all about.

IMHO, people join such organizations not because of the kindness of their hearts or because they want to help people, but mainly because they are insecure little men, something that you accuse me of being (LOL!), who want to feel "special" and protected by their fellow "brothers", while way above them the inner circle (which is a fact of life in any secret organization), of this brotherhood, who are ironically responsible for much of the real insecurity and mayhem around the globe, carry out an agenda that is way beyond the imagination of the ordinary Mason.

Again, in my humble opinion, it is wake up time....... :)

David Jamieson
01-10-2012, 01:54 PM
You wear your ignorance like it's a big fancy dress.

The level of ridiculous projection, assumption and outright ignorance is pretty interesting.

Hardwork108
01-10-2012, 04:35 PM
You wear your ignorance like it's a big fancy dress.

The level of ridiculous projection, assumption and outright ignorance is pretty interesting.
Right back at ya!

David Jamieson
01-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Really?

You could have Albert Einstein explain relativity to you and somehow, you'd have a youtube video that would refute all his math because scrub9876_tf2 has a video about nazi fish processing plants being undercover bases where they manufacture actual sunlight and with their underworld technology they reverse the dimensions and we are all actually living inside a plain on a large optical lens.

Pretty sure of it. :rolleyes:

lol

also, if you say "Grow Oranges" really fast, it sounds like you are saying gullible.

Hardwork108
01-10-2012, 07:25 PM
Really?

You could have Albert Einstein explain relativity to you and somehow, you'd have a youtube video that would refute all his math because scrub9876_tf2 has a video about nazi fish processing plants being undercover bases where they manufacture actual sunlight and with their underworld technology they reverse the dimensions and we are all actually living inside a plain on a large optical lens.

Pretty sure of it. :rolleyes:

lol

also, if you say "Grow Oranges" really fast, it sounds like you are saying gullible.

Way to go in not answering the serious questions raised by throwing in your usual redirections and vain attempts at distractions.

So come on, explain to me as a "high level" Freemason, which you have claimed to be, how is it that governments dominated by this secret brotherhood (and others), can decade after decade, century after century, participate in wars, invasions, mass murders and looting?

Can you at least explain that, or at least show us how you justify it in your mind?

I mean come on, isn't one of the questions asked of a potential member about to be invited to join this cult, the usual "do you believe in 'god'?" Do you have an idea wether the "god" or the deity that the high level Freemasons worship is the same one that the new member is "expected" to worship?

You can answer my questions on the official baloney version of 9-11, another day.

Thanks in advance.:)

Syn7
01-10-2012, 07:46 PM
Yes I do. This was not some aircraft that crash landed on some mountain side or where wreckage was spread all over an area. Those planes were full of fuel and exploded on impact, and anything inside of them was vaporized!

So, where are all the other passports, shoes, and wallets, that survived the vaporization of those aircraft?

So are you actually retarded or do you just conveniently ignore the facts that don't stand with the theories you've latched on to?

Syn7
01-10-2012, 07:50 PM
I mean, what do you hope to achieve by posting your opinion about conspiracy theories into an off topic section of a Kung Fu website that has little if anything to do with conspiracy etc.

What is it you are seeking to do with these posts? What are you expecting to come of this? Is there a point?

Please read what I have said in a literal sense. I do not "mean" anything other than exactly what I am asking you.

He's here for himself. Obviously.

You know he's the kind of cat who just loves to hear his own voice. The kind of person you have to litterally cut off mid sentence if you want to get a word in at all.

If he had half a brain he would know that anyone inclined to his way of thinking would seek out the info on their own at a more appropriate venue. At least the ones who aren't retarded would.

Syn7
01-10-2012, 07:54 PM
Did anyone try to read those books i posted? if you stay open minded and give it an honest chance, they might open your eyes to some things like the dumbing down of america.

In my own defense, I always take a moment to research a little before i make an opinion on something. Like Alex Jones, i thought wow this guy is on to something, but the more i paid him attention, i started realizing he may be making things out to seem bigger than what they really are.

what i do know is prior to this taking place, alex jones and his guests were on point on many things especially whats going on with oil and stuff. what he warned about actually happened. so i try to believe only half of what he says until i can back it up with some evidence.

my question is this, with some of the worlds most evil people in history around the world, why is it we don't believe it can happen in america? corruption, lies, media blackouts, class wars and what not, why couldn't america be involved with conspiracy? why is conspiracy out of the question for america?


Conspiracy theory has done more for alex jones pocket book than any other endeavor he could have ever achieved otherwise. He has a financial interest in playing it up. That being said, I think he believes he's on the right path. I just think that he isn't in complete control of his nature and as a consequence he is exploiting something he actually believes in. Sort of like a priest who gets used to the good life. Same basic idea. They believe, yet they still take advantage.