Develop FaJin in Wing Chun

[Yoshiyahu]

How do you develop Fajin in your Wing Chun lineage.

There are various ways we do so in mines. There is Hard way and Soft Way. I will discuss some of the ways that develop the application usage faster. Yes indeed practicing the forms while issuing fajin and practicing the weapon forms and punches in the air with Jing does develop it as well. We also have chi gung exercises that cultivate chi and leads to Jing development as well! But the things I listed below are the specific design with Ging Development in mind.

Ways we develop usable Jing!

Hard Way:

The Pole Drill or Gun Sau skill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUCqkOnyqOQ&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL511DA57EA242E030

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctq32LfdxkU

Wooden Dummy while Issuing force:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6wMWdrt_qA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuq4AQ8mfFA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQb7Ly7ClQ time stamp 0.54


Soft Way:

Extinguishing the candle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp-BFD_fS0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sR-z3cd4Ao

Punch a Through Paper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uXwslU-dgY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmQb7Ly7ClQ


Of course there is more to it than just this. Like Punching the wall bag with jing, and breaking down the punch to isolate each part of the arm to build each indiviually as well as punching with the entire structure. Also Fast Explosive push ups assit in building your ging in your punches. An standing and balancing on bricks teaches you how to focus your structure and pull power directly from the ground up. There are alot of details one can go into. But what are some of things you guys do as part of your Ging Training?

[Hendrik]

IMHO, one needs to clearly know what is Jin. Fajin, is a very serious misconception in the west. When people talk about fajin. It often means mimic the Chen taiji way of expressing their strike with their Dan tien rotation and body whipping.

So, often, fajin become something extra instead of something natural . Every style has their way to generate power and express power. Even the yang taichi generate and express power different with the Chen taiji .

In white crane, the karate type of white crane generate power differently with the late evolve fuzou crane.

And it is not necessary that one has to shake their body to fajin. Infact, most of the time for the me too martial artists, that is just show business which Cary no real weight. And also, it might counter the art's characteristics instead of aid it. So, do western boxing needs a fajin?

To begin a serious honest discussion in this topic, one must know what is Jin, what is it relationship with strength, how is the physical body dependency, what the Jin intended to achieve, what is those shake and whip for.......ect

[YouKnowWho]

what are some of things you guys do as part of your Jing Training?
The simple Fajin drills are important. Here are the 3 most famous Fajin styles in the TCMA.

Baji:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23TG4IFCzhg

Chen Taiji:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj6UaEay5Lg

XYLH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1bQ6kvMMAY

[Hendrik]

How about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0DNMElas8

[YouKnowWho]

How about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0DNMElas8

I don't know much about Wu Taiji. :(

Do you like the footwork and hand skill at 1.06 - 1.14? It should work well with your "snake engine".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1bQ6kvMMAY

[Vajramusti]

All four are good examples of fajin given different structures. All four are by top quality peop;e who have spent many hours and years in developing their skills.No easy short cuts.

[YouKnowWho]

All four are good examples of fajin given different structures. All four are by top quality people who have spent many hours and years in developing their skills.No easy short cuts.

I'm so happey that we agree on this. :D

[imperialtaichi]

I'd like to call "Jing" as the resultant power effect, and not the power itself.

"Fajing" is the issue of such resultant power effect.

[Hendrik]

I don't know much about Wu Taiji. :(

Do you like the footwork and hand skill at 1.06 - 1.14? It should work well with your "snake engine".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1bQ6kvMMAY

Thanks.

The clip is snake shape .

[Hendrik]

So what is jin? Who likes to share? And why it is called fajing?

[Robinhood]

So what is jin? Who likes to share? And why it is called fajing?

I would say jing is what you don't see before the movement, and the fa is the result you see in the other guy.

[Vajramusti]

On a similar track as imperial taichi- fajing is the issuing of explosive power. In demos in order to be understood-it can look like moving some one far but if used with real intent-the receiver is going down.

[YouKnowWho]

I used to have great interest in Fajin and speed. Until oneday I realized that a wife who is rich and also cook well just doesn't exist.

Here is a simple test, if you jump up in the air, and use the same arm to throw 3 punches (it's much harder than to throw 3 punches by using both arms) before your feet land back on the ground, No matter which famous Fajin style that you train, you just can't have 100% Fajin on all your 3 punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtQ8QJfYtPE

If you put too much gun power in your machine gun shells, your machine gun will explode. If you give your machine gun sometime to cool down between each shot, you have just defeated the purpose to have a "machine gun".

Since "chain punches" is an important part of WC, it will be difficult not to talk about "Fajin" along with "speed" at the same time.

[Hendrik]

John,

What is Jin for you? And what is fajin?

[YouKnowWho]

John,

What is Jin for you? And what is fajin?

Jin = force
Fajin = generate force

There are long Jin and short Jin. Both are generated exponentially as bell curve within short period of time. The long Jin (like Baji Jin) take longer distance. The short Jin (like Chen Taiji Dan Tien rotation Jin or SC body vibration Jin) take shorter distance. The long Jin is suitable for "offense". The short Jin is suitable for "defense".

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[Hendrik]

Jin = force
Fajin = generate force

There are long Jin and short Jin. Both are generated exponentially as bell curve within short period of time. The long Jin (like Baji Jin) take longer distance. The short Jin (like Chen Taiji Dan Tien rotation Jin or SC body vibration Jin) take shorter distance. The long Jin is suitable for "offense". The short Jin is suitable for "defense".

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Do you have video clip on sc body vibration Jin? Thanks.

[xiao yao]

i would say jin is refined power, rather than brute power. by taking elements such as using the whole body and correct understanding of relaxation and tension, along with lots of repetition, you cultivate jin.

that shaky jin you see in chen style is kua jin..... hip power. you use the hip to fling the body, a simple way to train this is alternating horse stance to bow stance with punching. or you can use the heavy long pole too in a similar manner

also, for wing chun, i think siu lim tao done slowly with correct amount of tension will build up the correct forward pressure and sticky hands will express it.

[YouKnowWho]

Do you have video clip on sc body vibration Jin? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KK4gBstnYs

[Yoshiyahu]

Sticky hands or Chi Sau does develop Jing but not FaJing.
Its not Explosive power you develop with the Chi Sau but it is Keng Ging, Chi Ging, and Yaan Ging. Although in sparring you can use all Eight...Chi Sau basically develops three. FaJin you can practice on the wooden dummy!


i would say jin is refined power, rather than brute power. by taking elements such as using the whole body and correct understanding of relaxation and tension, along with lots of repetition, you cultivate jin.

that shaky jin you see in chen style is kua jin..... hip power. you use the hip to fling the body, a simple way to train this is alternating horse stance to bow stance with punching. or you can use the heavy long pole too in a similar manner

also, for wing chun, i think siu lim tao done slowly with correct amount of tension will build up the correct forward pressure and sticky hands will express it.


I see your point. An for the Most part we agree. You are correct you can not Fajin 100% of the time. Even if you could you still wouldnt even be able to connect 100% of the time. Iron Mike Tyson has Fajin. He develops it by static training he does. and live training.

Wing Chun Jing Training is both static and live.

When I say static I don't mean really stationary or non-moving...Example Lifting weights slowly is Static training. Punching Fast with weights in hand is live training. There is also a soft side and hard side to live training in boxing. One instance is shadow boxing. The other is the heavy bag with all out strength and speed. This is live training that assist in being able to issue Fajin close to 90% of the time. Even though thats a high number you get my drift.


Wing Chun has both Static and Alive training

Static Ging Training would be: Gun Sau drill, extinguishing the candle and tearing the paper. Even Explosive style push ups that are slow at the onset are static.


Alive Ging Training would be: the Mook Yan Jong Ging Training, Wall Bag Training, and certain short range push ups done at a fast pace. You practice those things at high intensity so your body can get use to issuing powering at anerobic level of intensity. Banging the dummy and uprooting it at a fast pace would be alive. Doing so slowly would be static. Both have their place of course. Hitting the wall bag with fast powerful punches with different types of energy from snapping, pushing, vibrating accompanied with rotating and/or vibrating of the hips and advancing of your structure behind it in a continous cycle from one strike to the next is training your ability to Fajin at a constant high intense level. The More you practice it that way, the more skill you become and the easier it will be to apply in a sparring or fighting!

You Train Your Fist, Ginger Fist and Phoenix Eye Fist With the Wall Bag in a Live Way to develop Fajin along with proper conditioning on multi-levels. You train your Arms, Bridge and Palm strikes With the Mook Yan Jong at fast continous pace along with conditioning on multi-levels in addition to developing the ability to Fajin from one technique to the next! Here you don't stop with one strike or one technique. You connect them all together and make them a continous motion like the linked chain punch. Your Jing should be continous and cycle through the Jong. No one Hitter Quitters.

Of Course certain Static Ways of Striking which are slower and more powerful can be applied when you have your opponent flanked or trapped or in a posistion where he can't counter or defend. When the opportunity arises take advantage of it.

Note: Fajin or WC explosive short power in your strikes allows you shock your opponent's nervous system and drop him. Example you hit him so hard it jolts his brain and makes it shake in his skull that he temporarily blacks out from whiplash or you strike him in a weak point that the sudden pain takes his breath away and he crumbles over. You can hide static strikes in between your flowing attacks. Which means as you flow with speed overwhelming your opponent you can at certain times slip in hard fajin in when you have the dominate posistion or a clear opening he can't defend!

Just my little thoughts on the whole issue! Not really disagreeing with you though mate!


I used to have great interest in Fajin and speed. Until oneday I realized that a wife who is rich and also cook well just doesn't exist.

Here is a simple test, if you jump up in the air, and use the same arm to throw 3 punches (it's much harder than to throw 3 punches by using both arms) before your feet land back on the ground, No matter which famous Fajin style that you train, you just can't have 100% Fajin on all your 3 punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtQ8QJfYtPE

If you put too much gun power in your machine gun shells, your machine gun will explode. If you give your machine gun sometime to cool down between each shot, you have just defeated the purpose to have a "machine gun".

Since "chain punches" is an important part of WC, it will be difficult not to talk about "Fajin" along with "speed" at the same time.

[Yoshiyahu]

good clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVvk52Wbd0&feature=related


Another video showing Tai Chi Ging Training!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sackVwrQuXA

I cant find the original chinese guys videos...they must of have removed them!

[Hendrik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KK4gBstnYs

John,

Thanks!

This is a part of a movie ? I don't see the vibrate but body bounce. How do you do it in sc?

[LoneTiger108]

Can somebody at least post the chinese characters for 'fajing'??

As a Cantonese Wing Chun student I find all these Mandarin terms just so confusing sometimes...

[YouKnowWho]

Can somebody at least post the chinese characters for 'fajing'??

As a Cantonese Wing Chun student I find all these Mandarin terms just so confusing sometimes...

发劲(Fa Jin)


This is a part of a movie ? I don't see the vibrate but body bounce. How do you do it in sc?
In order to "bounce", your body need to vibrate to one side and then viberate to the other side. To develop this Jin, you can hang a weigh on a rope, and put rope on your neck. You then stay in a horse stance and use your body vibration to swing that weight up and down. It's called 轰档(Hong Dang).

[Yoshiyahu]

Hendrik Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxEkGZKZ28&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

My Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs


Hendrix Style of Ging or Jing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKg3QkUngE&feature=related

My Kind of Jing or Ging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjSYTBbH2Rw


Do you agree or disagree Hendrix?

Which one do you feel is realistic against a struggling opponent?

[Hendrik]

Hendrik Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxEkGZKZ28&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

My Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs


Hendrix Style of Ging or Jing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKg3QkUngE&feature=related

My Kind of Jing or Ging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjSYTBbH2Rw


Do you agree or disagree Hendrix?

Which one do you feel is realistic against a struggling opponent?

What is chi?

[imperialtaichi]

good clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVvk52Wbd0&feature=related


Another video showing Tai Chi Ging Training!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sackVwrQuXA

I cant find the original chinese guys videos...they must of have removed them!

Yoshi, you are joking, right?

[Yoshiyahu]

What is chi?

chi is energy and jing is power...glad to see u up and conversating...


Yoshi, you are joking, right?


joking about what...you disagree? i would love to see a clip of you or someone else doing Tai Chi and actually fighting with it against a live resistanting opponent?

Do you have one?

I am open for enlightenment!!!

[YouKnowWho]

Another video showing Tai Chi Ging Training!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sackVwrQuXA

That's the 1st clip I have seen that a Taiji guy is not striking into the thin air. Thanks for sharing.

[Robinhood]

That's the 1st clip I have seen that a Taiji guy is not striking into the thin air. Thanks for sharing.

Just because someone claims something does not mean it is true.

[YouKnowWho]

Just because someone claims something does not mean it is true.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Any "internal" guy who has courage to

- put up a personal clip, also
- work on striking target,

that person deserves a lot of credit.

If you think that you can do better, please put up your personal clip.

[Robinhood]

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Any "internal" guy who has courage to

- put up a personal clip, also
- work on striking target,

that person deserves a lot of credit.

If you think that you can do better, please put up your personal clip.

Who says he is "internal", you can see what you want, does not mean anything to me.

If you think he is "internal" , but then you say their is no internal, make up your mind.

Anyone can hit a post, does not mean anything.

[Hendrik]

chi is energy and jing is power...glad to see u up and conversating...

!

chi is what type of energy? What is chi got to do with jing?

[Hendrik]

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Any "internal" guy who has courage to

- put up a personal clip, also
- work on striking target,

that person deserves a lot of credit.

If you think that you can do better, please put up your personal clip.

John,

What do you see in the clip?
Any indication of his art and power?

[Hendrik]

Who says he is "internal", you can see what you want, does not mean anything to me.

If you think he is "internal" , but then you say their is no internal, make up your mind.

Anyone can hit a post, does not mean anything.

What do you see that he is internal or not?

[Robinhood]

What do you see that he is internal or not?

Not, just looks like he is using half body structure and to much arm strike.

[Yoshiyahu]

That's the 1st clip I have seen that a Taiji guy is not striking into the thin air. Thanks for sharing.

I saw a video about four years ago...a guy in china who did tai chi was doing something similiar. But his striking was more indepth. He didnt strike the tree with his fist...but he used palm strikes. He used elbow stroke and shoulder stroke. an he done kicks on the tree. An he use techniques you can clearly see how they adapt from the form.

Ne way...Tai Chi today is greatly watered down...

Most people are all on the Yin and have no Yang....Tai Chi Chaun means ultimate fist. Just punching in the air wont give you Jing or enough Chi to not break your wrist when you hit someone with any amount of weight...

For every technique in Tai chi that involves power...believe me there is training tool that is used..Im sorry i cant find a video that encompasses all the training tools...Each Tai chi family is different. Some have the same stuff. An some have different things they utilize...

The common things I know about is Generating force into the tree. Splashing Palms on basin of water. Rolling a Heavy Ball from 20lbs to 80lbs.

There are more things...But realistically its just simply Shaolin Kung Training and hard and soft Qigong!

[Hendrik]

Not, just looks like he is using half body structure and to much arm strike.

Good observation. Thanks?

[imperialtaichi]

joking about what...you disagree? i would love to see a clip of you or someone else doing Tai Chi and actually fighting with it against a live resistanting opponent?

That match was soooo rigged, even the blind could see.

There are plenty of clips of me doing/explaining Tai Chi. Out dated and I have moved on, but I kept some for old times' sake.

Yoshi, you speak like you know a lot of Wing Chun and Tai Chi. Can you point me towards some of your clips on the net?

[imperialtaichi]

Most people are all on the Yin and have no Yang....Tai Chi Chaun means ultimate fist. Just punching in the air wont give you Jing or enough Chi to not break your wrist when you hit someone with any amount of weight...

If you want to look at some soft and powerful strikes look up Russian Systema. Their strikes are way more impressive. A good Tai Chi strike should look more like that than than the clip you linked.

[YouKnowWho]

John,

What do you see in the clip?
Any indication of his art and power?
Please watch at 1.20 "brush knee". He tries to coordinate his

- shoulders with hip,
- elbows with knees,
- hands with feet.

We may not be able to see the "3 internal harmonies" but we can at least see the "3 external harmonies".

The "外三合(Wai San He) - 3 external harmonies" is always the 1st thing that I'll look for. If his

- hands can coordinate with his feet, he is good in beginner leve.
- elbow can coordinate with his knees, he is good in intermediate level.
- shoulders can coordinate with his hip, he is good in advance level.

Whether he can generate maximum power or not, at least he is on the correct training path.

He tries to generate power from

- bottom and up,
- back to front.

That's the correct way to generate "expending Jin" and "twisting Jin". Whether you want to call it "internal" or not will be your choice.

[Hendrik]

Please watch at 1.20 "brush knee". He tries to coordinate his

- shoulders with hip,
- elbows with knees,
- hands with feet.

We may not be able to see the "3 internal harmonies" but we can at least see the "3 external harmonies".

The "外三合(Wai San He) - 3 external harmonies" is always the 1st thing that I'll look for. If his

- hands can coordinate with his feet, he is good in beginner leve.
- elbow can coordinate with his knees, he is good in intermediate level.
- shoulders can coordinate with his hip, he is good in advance level.

Whether he can generate maximum power or not, at least he is on the correct training path.

He tries to generate power from

- bottom and up,
- back to front.

That's the correct way to generate "expending Jin" and "twisting Jin". Whether you want to call it "internal" or not will be your choice.

I agree with you on the coordination. From his website, it seems that he is related to Chen man Ching. He is trying his best that is for sure. What is your opinion on his lack? Care to share?

[YouKnowWho]

What is your opinion on his lack? Care to share?

We all have some room to improve ourselves. I would like to encourage other's work instead of discourage it.

When you strike on an object, the counter force will come back to you. Depending on your body structure, if you can't take all the counter force, you may not want to generate 100% of your force. Sometime is not that you can't generate 100% power. It's your body can't take 100% counter force.

I love to kick on tree. From my experience, the harder that I kick, the more shock that the tree will give back to me. Most of the time I can only kick 70% of my power. if I kick into the thin air, I won't have that concern.

This guy's striking target is a solid wood. I'm sure he can punch much harder if it's just a heavy bag instead.

[Hendrik]

We all have some room to improve ourselves. I would like to encourage other's work instead of discourage it.

When you strike on an object, the counter force will come back to you. Depending on your body structure, if you can't take all the counter force, you may not want to generate 100% of your force. Sometime is not that you can't generate 100% power. It's your body can't take 100% counter force.

I love to kick on tree. From my experience, the harder that I kick, the more shock that the tree will give back to me. Most of the time I can only kick 70% of my power. if I kick into the thin air, I won't have that concern.

This guy's striking target is a solid wood. I'm sure he can punch much harder if it's just a heavy bag instead.


Great view.

I agree there is counter force, how to minimize the return is another part of the game. So, fajin is different then pure sticking.

[Robinhood]

I think those 3 harmonies of the outside have to be their before any inside harmonies can even begin to happen.

[YouKnowWho]

What do you mean with 3 internal harmonies?


Jox, :)
It's a bit abstract.

- mind (Xin) harmonises with intention (Yi).
- intention (Yi) harmonies with breath (Qi).
- breath (Qi) harmonies with strength (Li).

[Hendrik]

This is what master Mantak Chia teach in his meditations & qi gong.
He describes this as three minds in to one.

Observing mind - brain
Consious mind - heart
Awareness mind - navel

We sink brains & heart in to the navel.
Doing so, we get YI power.

http://books.google.si/books?id=dzhRdwC8zEwC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=mantak+chia+three+minds+in+to+one&source=bl&ots=YF1rtO0C5Q&sig=reHZ_NoA9R93ArICJYfvSEA7gV0&hl=sl&sa=X&ei=htn2ToubBc-e-Qbmk_WeAQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false


Jox, :)

John's is a tcma tradition accord with xin yee chuan teaching. Mantak chia is inventing his own stuffs which is not tcma and daoism Or Buddhist teaching.

[Hendrik]

It's a bit abstract.

- mind (Xin) harmonises with intention (Yi).
- intention (Yi) harmonies with breath (Qi).
- breath (Qi) harmonies with strength (Li).

John,

In my WCK lineage we said the above in the following way.

集意会神平肩襠
双手前起分陰阳
左脚跘出有善惡
右跟曲勁紧收藏
气聚丹田督脉降

[YouKnowWho]

I think those 3 harmonies of the outside have to be their before any inside harmonies can even begin to happen.
Agree with you on this.

功夫要向身内走 Kung Fu has to be developed from outside in. We have to achieve the outside coordination first.

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古传形意拳歌诀中，说可以通过发声来长功夫，名为「虎豹雷音」..........
In ancient xingyi Quan formulas put into verse, says long can voice to Kung Fu, known as "Haw Lein" ... ... ....

尚云祥解释，练拳练到一定程度，骨骼筋肉都已爽利坚实，此时功夫要向身内走，就是要沁进五脏六腑。但这一步 很难，就要用发声来接引一下，声音由内向外，劲力由外向内，里应外合一下，功夫方能成就。

Shang Yunxiang interpretation, practise shadow boxing practice to a certain extent, skeletal muscles have been brisk and neat firm, and Kung Fu to be walking toward the body, is to Jeremy Bentham into vital organs. But this step is difficult, it is necessary to use sound to cased, voices from the inside out, from the outside in, operate both inside and outside, but can achieve.

[imperialtaichi]

John's is a tcma tradition accord with xin yee chuan teaching. Mantak chia is inventing his own stuffs which is not tcma and daoism Or Buddhist teaching.

Agree.

The interaction between Shen Yi Qi and how it influences the body follows very specific rules. Understanding it opens a lot of doors whether you a internal, external, musician or artist.

[imperialtaichi]

Agree.

The interaction between Shen Yi Qi and how it influences the body follows very specific rules. Understanding it opens a lot of doors whether you a internal, external, musician or artist.

Everybody knows how to quote. No many really knows how it works. Even fewer manages to use it.

[Yoshiyahu]

Everybody knows how to quote. No many really knows how it works. Even fewer manages to use it.

In your Tai Chi how do you develop Fa Jing?

What do you do?

Do you utilize Chi Kung along with external or hard chi gung exercises?

[imperialtaichi]

In your Tai Chi how do you develop Fa Jing?

What do you do?

Do you utilize Chi Kung along with external or hard chi gung exercises?

It's all about understanding and applying the interactions between Shen Yi Qi.

During Training:

We don't "borrow force" from the opponent; in an more esoteric term we borrow the opponent's "Yi Qi", but really we are playing with the opponent's reflex, reactions, and intentions.

We learn to control the opponent's balance, Jing Yuan (Power Source) so the opponent cannot exert force. We learn to stagnate the opponent to make him in-efficient.

We hide our movements and intentions so the opponent does not know how to deal with us. Nothing for him to see or feel (hence it has to be soft.)

We can throw an opponent through a brick wall without needing to use force because they cannot fight back.

I often demonstrate, in a controlled situations of course, such principles by throwing someone with two fingers only, reflecting a push from someone while standing on tips of my toes only and without proper stance,
gettig out of an arm hold by three or four people, or taking hits on my body.

During Fighting:

The same principles applies, but more dynamic. Of course, the result will never be as spectacular as during training. (One can smash a wooden slab whith spectacular result when someone is holding solid; but not as cleanly when it is moving around and having to chase it. But the principle is still the same.)

When fighting, I forget all rules and methods and just go for it.

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A big part missing from many Internal practitioners is that they only focus on how to generate maximum power through internal alignments; not enough effort was put into learning how to control the opponent and taking away his ability to fight back.

Knowing yourself is only the first step; knowing the opponent is the second step and not letting the opponent know you is the third step. Many Internal guys are stuck at the first step.

It is all written in Classics if only people would pay more attention.

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For Body conditioning:

I use an exercise set that I design myself 金剛渾元功, based Shaolin Tendon Changing Sutra; done with a full manipulation of Shen Yi Qi. Having a strong body (even though I do not advocate relying purely on strength). I see my body as a sword; no matter how skillful one is, it always good to have a good sword ;)

Cheers,
John

[Runlikehell]

Thanks for the insightful post, John.

[Yoshiyahu]

Thank you very much...Yes I enjoy the tai chi classics my self...all though i have neglected reading it lately...


But let me asked you what family of Tai Chi do you practice?

I practice Fu style tai chi from Sam Shuhan Lin he learned from Mr. Xu Qinxiu who learned directly from Master Fu Zheng Song in the 1940's. Fu was one of the " Five Tigers " in China and was famous in martial arts in that age.

http://www.umsl.edu/~gatsonl/taichi/samlin.htm

http://www.freewebs.com/wujijeff/taijiquanseminar.htm


It's all about understanding and applying the interactions between Shen Yi Qi.

During Training:

We don't "borrow force" from the opponent; in an more esoteric term we borrow the opponent's "Yi Qi", but really we are playing with the opponent's reflex, reactions, and intentions.

We learn to control the opponent's balance, Jing Yuan (Power Source) so the opponent cannot exert force. We learn to stagnate the opponent to make him in-efficient.

We hide our movements and intentions so the opponent does not know how to deal with us. Nothing for him to see or feel (hence it has to be soft.)

We can throw an opponent through a brick wall without needing to use force because they cannot fight back.

I often demonstrate, in a controlled situations of course, such principles by throwing someone with two fingers only, reflecting a push from someone while standing on tips of my toes only and without proper stance,
gettig out of an arm hold by three or four people, or taking hits on my body.

During Fighting:

The same principles applies, but more dynamic. Of course, the result will never be as spectacular as during training. (One can smash a wooden slab whith spectacular result when someone is holding solid; but not as cleanly when it is moving around and having to chase it. But the principle is still the same.)

When fighting, I forget all rules and methods and just go for it.

-----

A big part missing from many Internal practitioners is that they only focus on how to generate maximum power through internal alignments; not enough effort was put into learning how to control the opponent and taking away his ability to fight back.

Knowing yourself is only the first step; knowing the opponent is the second step and not letting the opponent know you is the third step. Many Internal guys are stuck at the first step.

It is all written in Classics if only people would pay more attention.

-----

For Body conditioning:

I use an exercise set that I design myself 金剛渾元功, based Shaolin Tendon Changing Sutra; done with a full manipulation of Shen Yi Qi. Having a strong body (even though I do not advocate relying purely on strength). I see my body as a sword; no matter how skillful one is, it always good to have a good sword ;)

Cheers,
John

[imperialtaichi]

My line is from Yang Jian Hou to Wang Yong Quan to Wei Shu Ren to myself. The Beijing (Imperial) Line used to be taught to the Imperial (Manchurian) bodyguards. In fact, many people who are familiar with "Imperial Yang Tai Chi" did not know I was the one who came up with the name some 10 years ago to denote the origin of this line. I was one of the first indoor disciple of Master Wei in the Western world.

I'm not a big fan on lineage. Not a big fan on quoting theory without understand the meanings and being able to demonstrate them. Not a big fan on fantasy stuff that does not work in real life.

A big fan on what works. A big fan on sharing with people who share back. A big fan on crossing hands with others.

[imperialtaichi]

My line is from Yang Jian Hou to Wang Yong Quan to Wei Shu Ren to myself. The Beijing (Imperial) Line used to be taught to the Imperial (Manchurian) bodyguards. In fact, many people who are familiar with "Imperial Yang Tai Chi" did not know I was the one who came up with the name some 10 years ago to denote the origin of this line. I was one of the first indoor disciple of Master Wei in the Western world.

I'm not a big fan on lineage. Not a big fan on quoting theory without understand the meanings and being able to demonstrate them. Not a big fan on fantasy stuff that does not work in real life.

A big fan on what works. A big fan on sharing with people who share back. A big fan on crossing hands with others.

Yoshi, if you want to see what I do in general have a look at this (previously posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUG7WY4zi6k

[Yoshiyahu]

Yoshi, if you want to see what I do in general have a look at this (previously posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUG7WY4zi6k

thanks for the post and thanks for sharing lineage...i dont particular care for lineage either...but here among westerners lineage is big thing...it says to them you have real kung fu or your kung fu is crap...

To me the fighter who wins fights is the one who has authenic Gung Fu. Not because his teacher is fighter or not...If someone learns how to fight from either creating his own kung fu style or system or he learns it from well known sifu with notieriety it doesnt matter. Alls that matters if he wins fights!~

[Hendrik]

Yoshi, if you want to see what I do in general have a look at this (previously posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUG7WY4zi6k

Great clp.

Thanks!

[Yoshiyahu]

Would you like to share some link to this stuff... ;)


Jox, :)

Tai Chi Classics (http://www.scheele.org/lee/classics.html)


Tai Chi Classics Book (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS461US461&q=the+tai+chi+classics&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1097&bih=545&ion=1&wrapid=tlif132495859392210&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16462156545924682992&sa=X&ei=hUP5TvnOCo2Jtwfpmf2HCQ&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAw#)

There are other books called the Tai Chi secrets for indiviual families of tai chi like Li and Wu style...

[Yoshiyahu]

Thnx Yosh... ;)


Jox, :)

your welcome...glad to be of help