Ho Kam Ming

[Vajramusti]

Sigung Ho Kam Ming -87 years old- celebrating his birthday with friends and includes a couple of his students who teach in Macao and Hong Kong.Ho Kam Ming sifu was closely associated with his sifu Ip Man for many years. He is a real treasure house of wing chun knowledge.

joy chaudhuri

[WC1277]

Truly a master right there!.......thanks for sharing Joy

[Paul T England]

Any contact details for his students in Hong Kong?

Paul

[Vajramusti]

Any contact details for his students in Hong Kong?

Paul
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Yes- Lui Ming Fai in HongKong and Macao. He is in the dark shirt- second from the left in the first standing row- a little to the left behind Mrs Ho who is at the table with Ho sifu..

http://www.wix.com/luimingfai/vingtsun

Lui has been in real fights and full contact matches including against MT fighters.

Ho sifu has done both- trained people for their development and people for fighting.

Augustine Fong, my sifu was in a an earlier class(1960-1968). Lui was in a later class.

Buddy Wu around Cleveland also learned from Ho sifu.

Master Ho also taught a group in Toronto. he does not teach regular classes(retired) but polishes up his students' work.

Master Ho began directly with Ip Man in the mid 50s.. including regular private lessons and chi sao with Ip Man..lots of discussion of concepts with IM, . checked in on him when IM was ill- carried him on his shoulders to the hospital
and visited with him earlier on the day when IM died. HKM generally stayed out of the media and politics worlds. An old fashioned sifu.
joy chaudhuri

[Tom Kagan]

Lui has been in real fights and full contact matches including against MT fighters.

Ho sifu has done both- trained people for their development and people for fighting.

Is there surviving documentation of these events (newspaper reports, tournament results, pictures, etc.) ?

[Vajramusti]

Is there surviving documentation of these events (newspaper reports, tournament results, pictures, etc.) ?
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In Lui's website there is a picture of a fight,. In Tam Kam Hinh's website now down there was a photo of his match witha MT guy.Some years ago I posted a link to TKH's website and that picture.
The Bak mei loser of a major (BM/WC) challenge match was unfortunately damaged for life.
A kung fu bro went to see him in HK.

Not everyone knows what KFO is.


Any way- my main purpose was just to show Ho Kam Ming at 87 at his b day party-no other agenda.

[jesper]

nice to see some of the old timers still around.
may he live long

[Tom Kagan]

Not everyone knows what KFO is.

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Any way- my main purpose was just to show Ho Kam Ming at 87 at his b day party-no other agenda.

Birthdays are just the right time for a little nostalgia. I wanted others to see the result of his prime.

[Vajramusti]

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Birthdays are just the right time for a little nostalgia. I wanted others to see the result of his prime.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Tom-understood.
KFO=kung fu online.

On pictures etc lui will have some. Fong sifu would have some. Hawkins C would have some.
Then there would be stories in K papers and mags. But I have never been much of a collector.
Interested in primarily learning and applying.
Master Ho is old school...not a media promoter.
BTW- a non sequitur but interesting--HKM and WSL were both on the board of the VTAA in it's early days.
Some students ran a site for HKM at one time -it had pictures of fighters in full contact matches.

HKM's slt is on a disk that is floating in the market. He is very accurate in what he does and teaches.He spent a fortune learning wing chun in his early days.
I wish that he would write his memoirs but many old line sifus are not into writing...unfortunately'
His timing is still very good.

[ntc]

Very accurate, Joy.... Sifu Ho was always meticulous when he taught us. He was always extremely precise about every minor bit of detail. The thing I really enjoyed most learning from him was how he was able to address, explain, and illustrate every point clearly, whether the point in question was raised by him or by us.... something not often seen in modern day generation of WC teachers.

And he does look very good in the picture.... as does my other kung fu brothers. Especially Si Mo.... she looks like she has not aged a bit.... !!!

[Vajramusti]

Very accurate, Joy.... Sifu Ho was always meticulous when he taught us. He was always extremely precise about every minor bit of detail. The thing I really enjoyed most learning from him was how he was able to address, explain, and illustrate every point clearly, whether the point in question was raised by him or by us.... something not often seen in modern day generation of WC teachers.

And he does look very good in the picture.... as does my other kung fu brothers. Especially Si Mo.... she looks like she has not aged a bit.... !!!
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True NTC- Appreciated your comments Best wishes for the Year of the Dragon.

joy

[sanjuro_ronin]

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Yes- Lui Ming Fai in HongKong and Macao. He is in the dark shirt- second from the left in the first standing row- a little to the left behind Mrs Ho who is at the table with Ho sifu..

http://www.wix.com/luimingfai/vingtsun

Lui has been in real fights and full contact matches including against MT fighters.

Ho sifu has done both- trained people for their development and people for fighting.

Augustine Fong, my sifu was in a an earlier class(1960-1968). Lui was in a later class.

Buddy Wu around Cleveland also learned from Ho sifu.

Master Ho also taught a group in Toronto. he does not teach regular classes(retired) but polishes up his students' work.

Master Ho began directly with Ip Man in the mid 50s.. including regular private lessons and chi sao with Ip Man..lots of discussion of concepts with IM, . checked in on him when IM was ill- carried him on his shoulders to the hospital
and visited with him earlier on the day when IM died. HKM generally stayed out of the media and politics worlds. An old fashioned sifu.
joy chaudhuri


Nice website with some great videos.
Thanks Joy.

[LoneTiger108]

Sigung Ho Kam Ming -87 years old- celebrating his birthday with friends and includes a couple of his students who teach in Macao and Hong Kong.Ho Kam Ming sifu was closely associated with his sifu Ip Man for many years. He is a real treasure house of wing chun knowledge.

joy chaudhuri

It's nice to see some of the 'Old Guard' on here Joy :)

A belated Happy Birthday! to your Sigung.

Thanks for sharing.

[WC1277]

Do you mean Bak Mei guy was disabled, because of injury or he died?


Jox, :)

Disabled....

[WingChunABQ]

Very accurate, Joy.... Sifu Ho was always meticulous when he taught us. He was always extremely precise about every minor bit of detail. The thing I really enjoyed most learning from him was how he was able to address, explain, and illustrate every point clearly, whether the point in question was raised by him or by us.... something not often seen in modern day generation of WC teachers.

And he does look very good in the picture.... as does my other kung fu brothers. Especially Si Mo.... she looks like she has not aged a bit.... !!!

I have always appreciated the way that Master Fong and my sifu, Kurt Saenz, have many drills within the practices that are so clear, concise and thorough. Did Master Ho teach this way also?

[lance]

Nice website with some great videos.
Thanks Joy. Joy , so I guess Sigung Ho Kam Ming and GM IM was like father and son then ? That ' s what I found out Sigung Ho is a private student of IM , GM IM probably taught Sigung Ho something special too then about the WC system in general . Because , joy your Sifu Fong is good too . Regardless if Sifu Fong himself had learned 2 - other kung fu system besides WC . I saw his seminar DVD he ' s really an expert . Only some people who really don ' t understand WC at all would critiscize him .

Well it ' s a free country so anybody is entitiled to their own opinion . But the WC system still prevails itself though .

[Vajramusti]

Joy , so I guess Sigung Ho Kam Ming and GM IM was like father and son then ? That ' s what I found out Sigung Ho is a private student of IM , GM IM probably taught Sigung Ho something special too then about the WC system in general . Because , joy your Sifu Fong is good too . Regardless if Sifu Fong himself had learned 2 - other kung fu system besides WC . I saw his seminar DVD he ' s really an expert . Only some people who really don ' t understand WC at all would critiscize him .

Well it ' s a free country so anybody is entitiled to their own opinion . But the WC system still prevails itself though .
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Thanks for your post Lance. Yes Ho kam Ming and Ip man were very close. Few were taught the full bot jam do by Ip Man. Sigung Ho was one of them. Ditto on footwork and timing. And Fong sifu continued to evolve beyond what he learned from his sifu. Master Fong was also corrected by Ip man when he would visit
Master Ho's Macao school. Master Fong is very knowledgeable about other martial arts as well. He has had some good grapplers and boxers as students and some of his students have participated in matches against other styles.
i don't have to "sell" Mater Ho or Fong.Both are wing chun treasures.My great good fortune that I learned what i have. I don;t pay much attention to sniping- attributing such to lack of information.
Noise is common on the net.

joy

[lance]

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Thanks for your post Lance. Yes Ho kam Ming and Ip man were very close. Few were taught the full bot jam do by Ip Man. Sigung Ho was one of them. Ditto on footwork and timing. And Fong sifu continued to evolve beyond what he learned from his sifu. Master Fong was also corrected by Ip man when he would visit
Master Ho's Macao school. Master Fong is very knowledgeable about other martial arts as well. He has had some good grapplers and boxers as students and some of his students have participated in matches against other styles.
i don't have to "sell" Mater Ho or Fong.Both are wing chun treasures.My great good fortune that I learned what i have. I don;t pay much attention to sniping- attributing such to lack of information.
Noise is common on the net.

joy Joy , no problem , that ' s a good thing when 2 - people have good chemistry between eachother like yin / yang . So joy , you should be able to be just as good as Sifu Fong then ? Sifu Fong as the way I see his demo , pretty fast and skillful too . Well , joy , even you don ' t have to sell them , their skills speaks for themselves , if I were to meet sifu fong , then it would probably be the best day in my life , ofcoarse Sijo Ho Kam Ming too .

Well joy , you know the WC skills already , so keep on practicing , I saw your website already , you do have students and assistants I think , so keep it up .
No matter what people say about WC , it 'll prevail itself .

[Vajramusti]

Joy , no problem , that ' s a good thing when 2 - people have good chemistry between eachother like yin / yang . So joy , you should be able to be just as good as Sifu Fong then ? Sifu Fong as the way I see his demo , pretty fast and skillful too . Well , joy , even you don ' t have to sell them , their skills speaks for themselves , if I were to meet sifu fong , then it would probably be the best day in my life , ofcoarse Sijo Ho Kam Ming too .

Well joy , you know the WC skills already , so keep on practicing , I saw your website already , you do have students and assistants I think , so keep it up .
No matter what people say about WC , it 'll prevail itself .
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Thanks Lance-as good as sifu? no way- he is always ahead on the path.And I have quite a few sihings, kung fu brothers and a sister who are superb and experienced.

joy chaudhuri

[ntc]

I have always appreciated the way that Master Fong and my sifu, Kurt Saenz, have many drills within the practices that are so clear, concise and thorough. Did Master Ho teach this way also?

Sifu Ho was always very clear and precise on what he taught. When you asked a question, he would have you try to answer it first before sharing his thoughts with you... he always made you think. Augustine, myself, and all of Sifu Ho's students pretty much teach our own students in a similar fashion.

[WingChunABQ]

Sifu Ho was always very clear and precise on what he taught. When you asked a question, he would have you try to answer it first before sharing his thoughts with you... he always made you think. Augustine, myself, and all of Sifu Ho's students pretty much teach our own students in a similar fashion.

Thank you, uncle! That methodology has translated down through teachers and continues to enrich my study of Wing Chun.

[ntc]

The thing I truly enjoyed about studying under Sifu Ho was how much he really loved Wing Chun - it was his life. He lived and breathed. You can see it in him when he talks about it. He is not into politics or even history... He just loves the art. He taught each person at the level they are at, and he held nothing back. If you were not ready for something, he would not teach until, not until you were ready. And he pushed us very hard. I am glad to see that he is still guiding students these days, despite his age.

[Vajramusti]

The thing I truly enjoyed about studying under Sifu Ho was how much he really loved Wing Chun - it was his life. He lived and breathed. You can see it in him when he talks about it. He is not into politics or even history... He just loves the art. He taught each person at the level they are at, and he held nothing back. If you were not ready for something, he would not teach until, not until you were ready. And he pushed us very hard. I am glad to see that he is still guiding students these days, despite his age.
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True NTC. He really put everything into learning wing chun and it is his love. And he doesn't spoonfeed.. he draws out responses to questions before clarifying and a little correction here and a little there made/makes a world of difference.And with a brief glance at someone's motion he knew who the sifu was and how long someone had been practicing. He kept his own course and did not join cliques. He is basically retired except for polishing up his students' work.But he does not suffer fools.

joy chaudhuri

[WingChunABQ]

I regret that I didn't attend his retirement party in Tucson.