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[Dragonzbane76]

Wow... has been quite down here in the off topic. Have the waters calmed? Has the rabid dog been put down?

[Lucas]

i beat him till he was nice and tender then i ate him with garlic sauce.

[Syn7]

Quite what?

Just kidding...

Hardwork isn't here. That's a big difference. A ton of posts were either him or because of him. Seems that wolfen cat left around the same time.

It's actually been a pretty newsworthy month. Especially with all the military stuff that just keeps comming and comming. It's fitting that technology like smart phones would be the instrument used to prompt much needed change.

I'm suprised that HW hasn't made an alias yet. Maybe we got lucky and his home IP is banned, not just the account.

[GeneChing]

However there's no way to control for netcafes. :(

[Drake]

Quite what?

Just kidding...

Hardwork isn't here. That's a big difference. A ton of posts were either him or because of him. Seems that wolfen cat left around the same time.

It's actually been a pretty newsworthy month. Especially with all the military stuff that just keeps comming and comming. It's fitting that technology like smart phones would be the instrument used to prompt much needed change.

I'm suprised that HW hasn't made an alias yet. Maybe we got lucky and his home IP is banned, not just the account.

It's embarassing is what it is. I hope these guys get some hefty sentences over this.

[Syn7]

which one? the pi$sers?


Word. Hopefully the do some real time. i would be satisfied with anything over a deuce. This went way past hate crime. What they did put Americans at more risk by fueling the anti-American fire. A very stupid and very selfish type of negligence.


The cops are really getting beat up in Vancouver. They dropped the ball in a major way with the Pickton serial killer case. They even fired the only guy who was right while they allowed more girls to die. It's so sad that none of these guys will do any time over it. I feel that when a cop does wrong, it's worse than when a civilian does wrong. They should be held to a higher standard. Unfortunately none of these guys will pay for their arrogance. While families weep, these as$holes sit on a fat pension and lie through their teeth at all the hearings. I'll say it again, I'm glad we have smart phones out there. Every time these guys lie and then we see video that shows us they lied, we are one step closer to cleaning up these forces. In the last few major hearings and/or trials multiple officers have purgered(sp?) themselves.

I read that the pentagon admits that a bit under one percent of the US armed forces are known gang members or affiliates. That's like 10,000 soldiers bringing their skills back to the hood.

You see very much MS-13 tags in Afghanistan? There is a soldier who photographed and cataloged all the gang related graffiti in, i think. Iraq. There were A TON of pics. I imagine some of them were from wannabees, but still.....

[Drake]

We're weeding them out now. We're in the process of drawing down, so if you have a blip on your record, you are out. The military is about to get much, much smaller.

There was a time when people with felonies could get in. Now we are a lot more picky. But if you think this is bad, this is nothing compared to the outlandish crap that happened in Vietnam. But, ultimately, every time you look at the Army, know you are looking at a cross-section of America. Those guys ****ing on the corpses? They didn't learn that from us. It was always part of them. Always something they could have done anywhere if they had the chance. Keep that in mind.

[Jimbo]

I always wonder, if someone is willing and eager to **** on someone's corpse and give verbal taunts as they do it, what kind of behavior will they act out after they return home?

[David Jamieson]

I always wonder, if someone is willing and eager to **** on someone's corpse and give verbal taunts as they do it, what kind of behavior will they act out after they return home?

What do you think?

[Jimbo]

The answer is obvious.

There are plenty of people who feel they should be given a break, that they're young men and what they were shown doing isn't really that bad. I disagree.

[wenshu]

American public opinion is cheerfully optimistic when it comes to shooting people until they are dead.

But peeing on the corpse afterwards is a real affront to human dignity.

[Dragonzbane76]

Its all about the honor...:p

[David Jamieson]

American public opinion is cheerfully optimistic when it comes to shooting people until they are dead.

But peeing on the corpse afterwards is a real affront to human dignity.

indeed. I too was finding it weird that everyone is ok that these people had been shot to death but not ok with the peeing. How weird is that.

also. the use of the word dignity. whose dignity?

The internet is steadily making people stupid nowadays.

[Drake]

indeed. I too was finding it weird that everyone is ok that these people had been shot to death but not ok with the peeing. How weird is that.

also. the use of the word dignity. whose dignity?

The internet is steadily making people stupid nowadays.

Because politely telling them to put down their AK-47s, PKMs, and RPGs hasn't shown any significant success. They are killing the Afghan TB trying to reconcile. So, not only do they kill Americans, French, Canadians, Australians, and anyone else from somewhere else... they also kill kids, sodomize kids, kill tribal elders, kill women, and anyone who doesn't lean their way.

And anyone who has been keeping up with the country would know that the TB aren't exactly holy warriors anymore. They operate like an organized crime syndicate now.

[Drake]

For those unfamiliar... the law of war, as it pertains to "shooting people to death".

-You can only shoot at someone if they are shooting at you or others, or are clearly about to blow up either themselves or an IED via command wire (this is a lot more obvious to spot than you think).

-If you wound someone to the point they are no longer a threat, you administer aid to them once the fight is over.

These guys are much more valuable to us if captured alive. Unfortunately, circumstances often dictate otherwise.

Escalation of force (EOF), is taken very seriously down here.

[David Jamieson]

Being a philosophical wad, I tend to go with the Krishna attitude in regards to the deaths of the Taliban insurgents IE: They are already dead, even before they are shot.

I don't take issue with crushing the Taliban, routing them and destroying their network. In fact, I support that both in voice and in tax dollars.

As I am not in the field facing the insurgency, I cannot know what is in the minds of our service people when dealing with the daily attacks and attempts at taking their lives.

So, while I see the peeing thing as a lack of control on those individuals accounts, I understand the emotion behind it. I understand why the soldiers despise the Taliban and all they stand for. Although they (the Taliban) fashion themselves as "scholars" they are fools and evil and should be destroyed as is the way.

I think that much is abundantly clear, unless you are a self loathing sympathizing hippy sitting in these lands and casting aspersion upon our actions at every opportunity, in which case, go there, take up an ak-47 and stand against us.

seriously.

[wenshu]

For those unfamiliar... the law of war, as it pertains to "shooting people to death".

-You can only shoot at someone if they are shooting at you or others, or are clearly about to blow up either themselves or an IED via command wire (this is a lot more obvious to spot than you think).

-If you wound someone to the point they are no longer a threat, you administer aid to them once the fight is over.

These guys are much more valuable to us if captured alive. Unfortunately, circumstances often dictate otherwise.

Escalation of force (EOF), is taken very seriously down here.

Good info about the rules of engagement.

Not trying to second guess the actions and justifications of some twenty year old kids getting shot at and blown up all day in the middle of Afghanistan. Just wanted to make a point about the ridiculous hypocrisy of righteous indignation over the desecration of a corpse when the focus should be on the horrors of war itself.

[Drake]

Good info about the rules of engagement.

Not trying to second guess the actions and justifications of some twenty year old kids getting shot at and blown up all day in the middle of Afghanistan. Just wanted to make a point about the ridiculous hypocrisy of righteous indignation over the desecration of a corpse when the focus should be on the horrors of war itself.

Nobody likes war. Nobody likes deployments.

It's not hypocrisy. It's trying to maintain some sense of dignity, especially since a lot of people have respect for the dead. Sure, it's just a lifeless husk, but urinating on it is disrespectful. It's not the act. It's the message. This is a virtually universal cultural norm that you will not change.

[wenshu]

This is a virtually universal cultural norm that you will not change.

You're still missing the point. I didn't say it wasn't a violation of decency nor am I trying to change anything.

Stateside you rarely hear anything about Afghanistan; recently this has been the biggest thing. No one really talks about it being, you know, A WAR.

[Syn7]

We're weeding them out now. We're in the process of drawing down, so if you have a blip on your record, you are out. The military is about to get much, much smaller.

There was a time when people with felonies could get in. Now we are a lot more picky. But if you think this is bad, this is nothing compared to the outlandish crap that happened in Vietnam. But, ultimately, every time you look at the Army, know you are looking at a cross-section of America. Those guys ****ing on the corpses? They didn't learn that from us. It was always part of them. Always something they could have done anywhere if they had the chance. Keep that in mind.

word. it's about time you guys leaned up. gross ineficiency cannot be allowed to keep on keepin on. i think yall should redeploy everyone a wee bit closer to home. there is no need to have a base everywhere when you keep telling everyone you arent here to meddle. its a serious contradiction.

good to see screening is tightening up. bout time.

[Syn7]

Being a philosophical wad, I tend to go with the Krishna attitude in regards to the deaths of the Taliban insurgents IE: They are already dead, even before they are shot.

I don't take issue with crushing the Taliban, routing them and destroying their network. In fact, I support that both in voice and in tax dollars.

As I am not in the field facing the insurgency, I cannot know what is in the minds of our service people when dealing with the daily attacks and attempts at taking their lives.

So, while I see the peeing thing as a lack of control on those individuals accounts, I understand the emotion behind it. I understand why the soldiers despise the Taliban and all they stand for. Although they (the Taliban) fashion themselves as "scholars" they are fools and evil and should be destroyed as is the way.

I think that much is abundantly clear, unless you are a self loathing sympathizing hippy sitting in these lands and casting aspersion upon our actions at every opportunity, in which case, go there, take up an ak-47 and stand against us.

seriously.

its always ironic when some middle class tree hugger living a cushy lifes criticizes the very machine that fed him the excess comforts he believes he actually deserves. these people are delusional.

[Syn7]

Nobody likes war. Nobody likes deployments.

It's not hypocrisy. It's trying to maintain some sense of dignity, especially since a lot of people have respect for the dead. Sure, it's just a lifeless husk, but urinating on it is disrespectful. It's not the act. It's the message. This is a virtually universal cultural norm that you will not change.

personally i don't really care if somebody wants to pee on an empty vessel. what pi$ses me off is that these as$holes put everyone in even more danger by stirring up a hornets nest of angry support. this one act of needless aggression will be responsible for the deaths of some their brothers in arms. even if it is indirect. it just adds fuel to the fire that they are supposed to be extinguishing. not exactly 'hearts and minds' kinda people ay!!!