YOu're training in a park...

[SavvySavage]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.



How do you react?

I'll tell you how I reacted way back in 2002. I was sparring with my friend in the college mat room. A kung fu teacher/wu shu practitioner started saying criticizing saying we weren't throwing enough boxing punch combinations. She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

I haven't had this happen to me in a while but I believe this is the right approach. I have a teacher and forms to draw techniques from, etc, and don't want any new ones right now or ever maybe.

[wenshu]

She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/39/2010/10/d01cec203da9bda46132a13cd2a9e1d7/original.jpg

[SavvySavage]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/39/2010/10/d01cec203da9bda46132a13cd2a9e1d7/original.jpg


WTF does mean? lol

[David Jamieson]

I ignore them.

If they persist, I ask them to allow us our privacy.

If they become adamant, I ask them to show us what they got.

If it's good, so be it. If it is sub par, I go back to ignoring them.

[doug maverick]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.



How do you react?

I'll tell you how I reacted way back in 2002. I was sparring with my friend in the college mat room. A kung fu teacher/wu shu practitioner started saying criticizing saying we weren't throwing enough boxing punch combinations. She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

I haven't had this happen to me in a while but I believe this is the right approach. I have a teacher and forms to draw techniques from, etc, and don't want any new ones right now or ever maybe.

best to ignore them.

[sanjuro_ronin]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.



How do you react?

I'll tell you how I reacted way back in 2002. I was sparring with my friend in the college mat room. A kung fu teacher/wu shu practitioner started saying criticizing saying we weren't throwing enough boxing punch combinations. She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

I haven't had this happen to me in a while but I believe this is the right approach. I have a teacher and forms to draw techniques from, etc, and don't want any new ones right now or ever maybe.

The very few times I train in public people tend to leave me alone.
According to some it is because I look like I am gonna kill someone.
The last time I ever trained in public was ages ago and it was with a few guys that all were over 5-11 and 200lbs ( I was the runt of the group as usual) and I was throwing and beating on their ass with much gusto !
Maybe that's why I don't get pestered.

[bawang]

The very few times I train in public people tend to leave me alone.
According to some it is because I look like I am gonna kill someone.
The last time I ever trained in public was ages ago and it was with a few guys that all were over 5-11 and 200lbs ( I was the runt of the group as usual) and I was throwing and beating on their ass with much gusto !
Maybe that's why I don't get pestered.
when i do tai chi, i look like i kill someone. i do angry tai chi.

[YouKnowWho]

How do you react?
It depends on who that person is. When an opportunity approaches to you, sometime it may be a bad idea just to push it away. You can only gain something and you will never lose anything. The only thing that you may lose may be your ego and pride. If you think that's important then TCMA may not be your thing.

Long time ago, I was training by myself in a park in Taipei, Taiwan. An old man came to me and offered some suggestion. I didn't pay much attention at that time. Later on I found out that he was the 6 harmony prey mantis master 张祥三(Zhang Xiang San). He must like my body shape as a potential student. I lose my only chance to study from him in my life.

Chinese saying said, "When you stand in front of "泰山(Tai Shan) - a famous mountain in China", but you still don't recognize it, you may have some serious problem".

http://www.oocities.org/mantiscave/zhangxiang.htm

http://awesome-fights.blogspot.com/2010/01/zhang-xiang-san-taiwans-six-harmony.html

[bawang]

Long time ago, I was training by myself in a park in Taipei, Taiwan. An old man came to me and offered some suggestion. I didn't pay much attention at that time. Later on I found out that he was the 6 harmony prey mantis master 张祥三(Zhang Xiang San). He must like my body shape as a potential student. I lose my only chance to study from him in my life.


if an old chinese man come and give you advice, take it. if a skinny white man come give you advice, hold him down until he make the sound like the woman. follow this and you will have no equal under heaven.

[Syn7]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.



How do you react?

I'll tell you how I reacted way back in 2002. I was sparring with my friend in the college mat room. A kung fu teacher/wu shu practitioner started saying criticizing saying we weren't throwing enough boxing punch combinations. She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

I haven't had this happen to me in a while but I believe this is the right approach. I have a teacher and forms to draw techniques from, etc, and don't want any new ones right now or ever maybe.

If they had respect for the art in general and really did know a thing or two, they wouldn't approach you in such a manner.

If you feel you have something to offer a stranger who is training the wise thing to do is ask to participate and demonstrate your abilities allowing them to see your skills and come to you. If you go to them that shows me it's an ego thing and you most likely just enjoy telling people your way is better. I'm not really into those kids of people.

[Syn7]

It depends on who that person is. When an opportunity approaches to you, sometime it may be a bad idea just to push it away. You can only gain something and you will never lose anything. The only thing that you may lose may be your ego and pride. If you think that's important then TCMA may not be your thing.

Long time ago, I was training by myself in a park in Taipei, Taiwan. An old man came to me and offered some suggestion. I didn't pay much attention at that time. Later on I found out that he was the 6 harmony prey mantis master 张祥三(Zhang Xiang San). He must like my body shape as a potential student. I lose my only chance to study from him in my life.

Chinese saying said, "When you stand in front of "泰山(Tai Shan) - a famous mountain in China", but you still don't recognize it, you may have some serious problem".

http://www.oocities.org/mantiscave/zhangxiang.htm

http://awesome-fights.blogspot.com/2010/01/zhang-xiang-san-taiwans-six-harmony.html


Like I said in my last post. If people feel they have something to offer, rather than talk about it just show what you got. If everyone is emotionally secure and honest with themselves then they will share knowledge rather than pushing ideas at eachother. There's a big difference between the two.

[YouKnowWho]

Like I said in my last post. If people feel they have something to offer, rather than talk about it just show what you got. If everyone is emotionally secure and honest with themselves then they will share knowledge rather than pushing ideas at eachother. There's a big difference between the two.
Most of the time, it's difficult to distinguish "sharing" from "pushing idea".

One day I saw a guy in the gym did his weight pulley as the following (muscle group isolation):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7906/weightpulley5.jpg

I tried to suggest him that there are better way to do the same thing (body unification):

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5606/weightpulley2.jpg

He then told me that was the way he learned from his "20 years old personal trainer", I kept my mouth shut after that. :(

[IronFist]

My friend and I were rolling and a local McDojo instructor started watching us and telling us BJJ is unrealistic and other nonsense. We were like ok, whatevs, and went back to training.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/dunno.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[IronFist]

Most of the time, it's difficult to distinguish "sharing" from "pushing idea".

One day I saw a guy in the gym did his weight pulley as the following (muscle group isolation):

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7906/weightpulley5.jpg

I tried to suggest him that there are better way to do the same thing (body unification):

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5606/weightpulley2.jpg

He then told me that was the way he learned from his "20 years old personal trainer", I kept my mouth shut after that. :(

lol, at 20 I was a pretty good personal trainer.

Maybe the guy you met was doing triceps isolation for a reason.

People get ideas in their head like "isolation is ALWAYS pointless and full body movements are ALWAYS better" and go around pushing it like dogma. I have been guilty of that in the past.

Sometimes in the gym I wonder if I should say something to someone if I see them doing something with OBVIOUSLY bad form, like form so bad they're about to be injured. That's usually the only time I'll consider saying something. If they're just doing stupid exercises and wasting their time I just let them be.

Egos in the gym are so big, too. So it's like hey, I'm not trying to correct you or tell you you're wrong, but from where I was standing it looked like (whatever form issue) and I just thought you should know just in case.

[Lee Chiang Po]

If you train in public you should expect this now and then. I think it very unwise to pay any attention at all to anyone that is training in public or in a park or whatever. This might not apply to everyone, but I think most people that choose to do these things in view of the public have something they want to show off.
I had an experience as a young man with a fellow that was billed as the best mantis fighter in New Orleans. All I did was stop and watch, and ended up getting challenged to a fight to the death. A bit dramatic, but it scared the crap out of me. It ended in my favor, but I learned to just turn my head and walk on by.

[Hebrew Hammer]

Ask him to help you with your groin stretch...

Either they leave immediately or you have a hot date for the night.

[YouKnowWho]

One day I did pole hanging in the park. A guy asked me what I was doing. I told him to develop "head lock" and "leg twist". He then asked me why did I need to develop that for. I then told him that I could use it in combat. He gave me an ugly look and left. After that day, when people asked me what I was doing, I always told them that I was a monkey in my previous life.

Sometime honest answer is not always a good idea.

[Neeros]

One day I did pole hanging in the park. A guy asked me what I was doing. I told him to develop "head lock" and "leg twist". He then asked me why did I need to develop that for. I then told him that I could use it in combat. He gave me an ugly look and left. After that day, when people asked me what I was doing, I always told them that I was a monkey in my previous life.

Sometime honest answer is not always a good idea.

hahahahaha I bet that has gotten some great reactions. :D

[SPJ]

It depends on who that person is. When an opportunity approaches to you, sometime it may be a bad idea just to push it away. You can only gain something and you will never lose anything. The only thing that you may lose may be your ego and pride. If you think that's important then TCMA may not be your thing.

Long time ago, I was training by myself in a park in Taipei, Taiwan. An old man came to me and offered some suggestion. I didn't pay much attention at that time. Later on I found out that he was the 6 harmony prey mantis master 张祥三(Zhang Xiang San). He must like my body shape as a potential student. I lose my only chance to study from him in my life.

Chinese saying said, "When you stand in front of "泰山(Tai Shan) - a famous mountain in China", but you still don't recognize it, you may have some serious problem".

http://www.oocities.org/mantiscave/zhangxiang.htm

http://awesome-fights.blogspot.com/2010/01/zhang-xiang-san-taiwans-six-harmony.html

hey hey hey.

I was at the park to listen to the birds chirping and enjoy the fresh air.

Several groups of people were there practicing, too.

After a while, the teacher asked me to join them in practicing.

They thought that I was there watching them and eager to learn.

It was 1968.

---

[-N-]

One time I was stretching at the gym after workout.

Some hottie chick in a crop top and spandex workout shorts came up to me saying, "You're doing that wrong. Do you want some help?"

I saw the shorts, the tan, and ponytail and said, "Sure, show me!"

Turned out she was a former gymnast and a trainer at Gold's Gym.

We became workout buddies for a year. And during that time, 2 other girls came up and asked if they could join us too.

:)

[doug maverick]

One time I was stretching at the gym after workout.

Some hottie chick in a crop top and spandex workout shorts came up to me saying, "You're doing that wrong. Do you want some help?"

I saw the shorts, the tan, and ponytail and said, "Sure, show me!"

Turned out she was a former gymnast and a trainer at Gold's Gym.

We became workout buddies for a year. And during that time, 2 other girls came up and asked if they could join us too.

:)

then you woke up and realized you left the porn video on...lol...jk...but that seriously sounds like the beginning of a porn.

[-N-]

Haha, no seriously. Been going to that gym forever.

The gymnast was the super extroverted type. I usually ignore people and keep to myself.

The way girls are, I guess if they see some other chick thnks you're ok, then they start coming around too. Funny how that works.

Of the other 2, one was a geek chick that worked for Apple. The other was some white supremacist lunachick who was ok with asian guys, for some reason.

[SavvySavage]

Haha, no seriously. Been going to that gym forever.

The gymnast was the super extroverted type. I usually ignore people and keep to myself.

The way girls are, I guess if they see some other chick thnks you're ok, then they start coming around too. Funny how that works.

Of the other 2, one was a geek chick that worked for Apple. The other was some white supremacist lunachick who was ok with asian guys, for some reason.

A lot of white chicks like Asian guys. I'm Asian and I only date white chicks.

[David Jamieson]

ok...then... self esteem much boys? lol :p

[SavvySavage]

ok...then... self esteem much boys? lol :p

Actually N is right. Girls are more relaxed around other girls. If you go into a bar or club with a girl or girls other women will more likely talk to you because if one girl found you safe others will.

I wouldn't expect old married dudes to know anything about dating anymore. Lol

[David Jamieson]

Actually N is right. Girls are more relaxed around other girls. If you go into a bar or club with a girl or girls other women will more likely talk to you because if one girl found you safe others will.

I wouldn't expect old married dudes to know anything about dating anymore. Lol

lol. sure, you keep thinking that if it makes you comfortable.

[bawang]

娘娘腔。 "Effete" might be a translation of that.　　

the translation is hom0sexual. it refers to the way gays walk.

[SPJ]

I used to carry my canary in a bird cage with a cover to the park.

I was living in New Jersey and NYC area in late 1990s.

People looked at me weird.

I was walking my bird.

When I sat down and uncovered the cover.

Kids and girls all came to me or just wanted to watch my canary chirps.

talking about attracting girls in the park.

there are many other ways that is.

my brother had "angry bird" or cardinal.

my other brother had a ****atiel and a budgeteer.

---

be careful with your food.

if you throw some bread crumps, all the birds will come and feed around you.

--

well, if you walk your dog in the park, that is an icebreaker, too.

:)

[Judokarl]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.



How do you react?

I'll tell you how I reacted way back in 2002. I was sparring with my friend in the college mat room. A kung fu teacher/wu shu practitioner started saying criticizing saying we weren't throwing enough boxing punch combinations. She obviously had never heard of wing chun because I was mainly using the wc straight punch in that round. I kindly(sort of) told her that we didn't need her advice and that if she wanted to train with us that would be fine.

I haven't had this happen to me in a while but I believe this is the right approach. I have a teacher and forms to draw techniques from, etc, and don't want any new ones right now or ever maybe. Since I am about as close as one can get to being a novice when it comes to Kung Fu I would hear him out. I have have no problem burning a few minutes of my time to hear some one out and potential fix a bad habbit of mine. I can always bring their point up with my instructor later and get his two cents on the matter.

As for teaching me his version of his forms I would politely tell him that I have trouble with forms and would not be able to learn his simply from once chance encounter, Kata are by far my biggest problem by far because I am so used to drilling combinations and single throws and submissions. Then again if I had nothing better to do for the rest of the day there is no harm in him showing them to me.

[brothernumber9]

　Ｈｅ　ｐｒａｃｔｉｃｅｓ　ｗｉｔｈ　ａ　１００ｌｂ　ｓｗｏｒｄ.


I don't think I've ever used a rolley eyes emoticon, but this is where I'd really really really use one.

[YouKnowWho]

A 100 lb sword will hurt your wrist joint, elbow joint, and also your shoulder joint. Even the 90 lb throw dummy had hurt my elbow joint when I lift it up the wrong way with both of my arms. Can you image a 100 lb sword will do to you if you hold it by one arm? 100 lb weigh and speed just do go together.

[Wayfaring]

How do you react?


Monkey steals peach + full sprint.

Unless it's a girl. Then I tell her we are training kimura's from north/south, and ask if she wants to join in.

[mooyingmantis]

And a gung fu teacher you don't know approaches you and:

1. Corrects you
or

2. Offers to teach you his forms or version of forms.

I would listen respectfully to his corrections. After over 40 years of training I have found that good advice can come from some of the most unlikely sources.

As for learning his forms or versions of forms, if it was a style that I train, I would ask to learn on a trial basis. If it was a style in which I had no interest, I would thank him graciously and tell him that I felt I needed to master the style I was training in before taking on a new challenge.

The above method can:
1. Possibly help me grow in skill,
2. Allow the person to save face,
3. Allow me to practice humility and politeness.

[SPJ]

park is used or shared by many

it is always full of people with different interests

if someone is willing to teach or share with us

by all means welcome it.

after a while

everyone knows who is who

or what is what.

:)

[Syn7]

Using a 100lb sword is just retarded unless you're 6'7" and 400Lbs.

Not a good idea. To maximize your potential you need to use the correct weight, using more or less is inefficient. The optimum weight for a practice sword would be slightly heavier than the real thing. It's not a lifting comp. It's an elegant weapon that needs to be used gracefully. Maybe your friend would be better suited to playing american gladiator or impressing newbies with a giant war hammer.

[Yao Sing]

Wow, I thought swinging a heavy sword meant something else. :p

[YouKnowWho]

a giant war hammer.
How about a macho metal pole like this? :D

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6638/stick2g.jpg

Try to use a 35 lb KB to swing like the following clip does, you will find out that your will hurt your shoulder joint big time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlVUcNQIhE

Can you image to swing a 100 lb sword will do to you? Heavy weight and "speed" just don't go together.

[bawang]

I train once a week by putting a 300lb guy over my shoulders and practicing transitions between stances. I suppose this is also impossible to someone like you.

squat down.

[bawang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CreCOrf9ExM

this is 20 pounds.

[Syn7]

How about a macho metal pole like this? :D

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6638/stick2g.jpg

Try to use a 35 lb KB to swing like the following clip does, you will find out that your will hurt your shoulder joint big time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlVUcNQIhE

Can you image to swing a 100 lb sword will do to you? Heavy weight and "speed" just don't go together.

I wonder how much them poles weigh. If the are solid, DAAAMN!!!


I guess there is a time and place for a heavy weapon, especially for the really big dudes. Like Ajax in Troy.

But a sword ain't it. Even those long heavy swords the Scots use are too big. In a head on brute force battle they are OK but as soon as somebody with grace and style dances on to the field you're gonna get carved up. I think history has more than proved that point.

[Syn7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlVUcNQIhE


Hey. That's J5 playing in the background. Where was this clip taken? From the description it looks like China. Not many kung fu cats are down with California underground hiphop.

[Yao Sing]

General Kwan used a 100lb Kwan Do but that's with two arms and balanced. A double-handed 100lb sword held at one end is a bit much. Single-jand sword not likely.

[Syn7]

I train once a week by putting a 300lb guy over my shoulders and practicing transitions between stances. I suppose this is also impossible to someone like you.

Heavy squats arent the same as using a 100 pound sword. Either you are lying, you were lied to, or the guy is a complete retard.

You seem insecure, I imagine you bullsh1t alot. You probably even believe that you can judge a book by it's cover like you were saying before. If you actually believe it, it's even worse than bullsh1tin'...

[Syn7]

General Kwan used a 100lb Kwan Do but that's with two arms and balanced. A double-handed 100lb sword held at one end is a bit much. Single-jand sword not likely.

Even a 100lb kwan do is HUGE! Not as unlikely as a 100lb sword, but still pretty d@mn big.

But 100lb kwan do is the stuff of legends, maybe true maybe not. 100lb sword, and a chinese one at that? naaaah.

[bawang]

Even a 100lb kwan do is HUGE! Not as unlikely as a 100lb sword, but still pretty d@mn big.

But 100lb kwan do is the stuff of legends, maybe true maybe not. 100lb sword, and a chinese one at that? naaaah.

in real life guan yu used a 10 pound lance.

[Yao Sing]

I knew the one at his Temple was fake! :eek:

[Pork Chop]

The heavy broadsword is a two handed weapon. One hand goes under the dull end of the blade.

Here is a traditional kung fu practitioner in China, training with a 100 pound Guan dao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Mf5un1oKzAU


The man I know is or a larger build, more poised and has better tensegrity than the guy in this video. He grew up around Wudang mountain. Authentic Wudang bagua involves heavy weapon training.

In 8 Step mantis, the throwing training involves leveraging a hundred lb sandbag over your shoulder fifty as a hip throw and fifty times as a front sweep.

Traditional weight is three hundred lbs. I could never get a three hundred bag as high as the shoulder, but I could throw it at hip level. Joel Sutton used a three hundred lb heavy bag and lots of qi gong before UFC 6 and 7.

Jeremy Lin sized warriors with huge weapons cut down 90 lb peasants from the top of warhorses. That is wushu. Everything else is fantasy.


I would love to see this 300lb heavybag.
Tossing around a 300lbs large object at shoulder height 50 times would almost qualify you for the World's Strongest Man competition or the Olympics.
The all time olympic record in the snatch (lifting from floor to overhead) for all weight classes is 216kg/475lbs

I could see swinging around about 100lbs like they did with the barbell in the vid.
But I can't see them swinging it with the speed needed to connect & do damage.

Not trying to be disrespectful; it's just hard to believe.

[sanjuro_ronin]

300 lbs bag is huge.
Unless it is filled with lead or steel, what they are filled with is sand.
This is a 300lbs heavy bag :
http://www.fighttoys.com/Marciano-Braddock%20(a).JPG

This one is avaible to buy, check out the dimensions:

BILTUFF Super 350 lbs Punching Bag 35x60 Price:$599.99
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Here you can see the size of BL big ass bag:
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXeY5M-EMvmzVvV7QVdn9BhyaJe6OeRsbEhybLQWYt94SE4i4GCA

[sanjuro_ronin]

The sheer size of the bag makes it very hard to be lifted by just one person.
To lift and throw it most certainly qualifies for "strongest man" category.

[Pork Chop]

300 lbs bag is huge.
Unless it is filled with lead or steel, what they are filled with is sand.
This is a 300lbs heavy bag :


There's video footage of him hitting that thing on youtube.
He's like a machine with powerful crosses & hooks.
Not much swing though, he mostly just puts dents in it.

[GeneChing]

General Kwan used a 100lb Kwan Do but that's with two arms and balanced. A double-handed 100lb sword held at one end is a bit much. Single-jand sword not likely. For the record, General Kwan's Kwan Dao (http://www.martialartsmart.com/45-81cs.html) was described in Luo Guanzhong's Romance of the Three Kingdoms as being 83 jin, which is a little over 100 lb. Also worthy of note, General Kwan was described as being nine spans tall, or about 7' 6".


A lot of white chicks like Asian guys. I'm Asian and I only date white chicks.I married one. ;)

[Pork Chop]

For the record, General Kwan's Kwan Dao (http://www.martialartsmart.com/45-81cs.html) was described in Luo Guanzhong's Romance of the Three Kingdoms as being 83 jin, which is a little over 100 lb. Also worthy of note, General Kwan was described as being nine spans tall, or about 7' 6".


Quick! Somebody build Yao Ming one of those kwan daos!