Sil Lim Tau Applications?

[Yoshiyahu]

Applications to Sil Lim Tau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuJQ2kTgGw&feature=autoplay&list=UL_D-GNodGKNU&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1


From Looking at the form can you glean any fighting applications from it?

If So what are they?

[JPinAZ]

sure, swatting flies, petting large dogs (great danes), flicking jelly off your fingers... plenty of applications.

[Yoshiyahu]

sure, swatting flies, petting large dogs (great danes), flicking jelly off your fingers... plenty of applications.

You sir are a hater and a dumb dumb!


Cant you post something useful instead of troll jargon?

What applications of fighting can you share concerning your own Siu Lien Tao

[LoneTiger108]

Not so keen on your Guang Zhou version posted, but it is still one of the better 'performed' ones I have seen.

Here's one of the examples my Sifu teaches which applies the cross arm and chain punches within the opening set of Siu Lim Tao - Ip Man/Lee Shing family.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2899892330575&set=vb.1058417759&type=2&theater

A good starting point for the rest of the form if you ask me, but I am biased ;)

Here's another clip of me showing a basic wooden man drill of one of the Siu Lim Tao sets - starts at 1min (pls excuse the silky pyjamas lol!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVFkN5EiUqk&feature=plcp&context=C3db4d0dUDOEgsToPDskJuL1vJqfhWYyHTwbS9VPbb

[JPinAZ]

You sir are hater!

Cant you post something useful instead of troll jargon?

If you're going to say it, at least get it right, it's "you sir are a hater".

You didn't ask about fighting applications, so I was giving you some of my opinion on some general applications those movements could be used for. But now I'm a hater and a troll because you weren't clear in your question? :rolleyes:

You want some useful input? Sure thing - I don't see any useful fighting application for those taan saus in the from. They are too low and the wrist is bent, that's just bad structural form IMO and has no real world application in a fight that I can see.

But really, I was just making a joke jacka55, lighten up.

[trubblman]

Applications to Sil Lim Tau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuJQ2kTgGw&feature=autoplay&list=UL_D-GNodGKNU&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1


From Looking at the form can you gleam any applications from it?

If So what are they?

Yes. I can glean applications from them.

[Yoshiyahu]

Thanks for sharing...


Here is another video Siu lien Tau i like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9G0EwgPIIk

I also like this one as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QTL6wqJOCo


Not so keen on your Guang Zhou version posted, but it is still one of the better 'performed' ones I have seen.

Here's one of the examples my Sifu teaches which applies the cross arm and chain punches within the opening set of Siu Lim Tao - Ip Man/Lee Shing family.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2899892330575&set=vb.1058417759&type=2&theater

A good starting point for the rest of the form if you ask me, but I am biased ;)

Here's another clip of me showing a basic wooden man drill of one of the Siu Lim Tao sets - starts at 1min (pls excuse the silky pyjamas lol!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVFkN5EiUqk&feature=plcp&context=C3db4d0dUDOEgsToPDskJuL1vJqfhWYyHTwbS9VPbb

[LoneTiger108]

Thanks for sharing...


Here is another video Siu lien Tau i like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9G0EwgPIIk

I also like this one as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QTL6wqJOCo

Both look the same/similar to the first clip. Both pre-Ip Man. Both start on the right side first (which needs exlpaining!) and ALL are using the Lien rather than Lim/Nim character which imho is a different practice altogether.

Good stuff though, but still where are the detailed clips showing exactly what everything is for?? Show me anything that explains the SLT effectively ;)

[Yoshiyahu]

the only point i which to address is that if you look closely they are not both the same...they have subtle differences. Both of them are slightly different...The hand techniques different in certain instances...thats why i posted two of them!


these two videos also are slightly different from the other two as well


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPHZ0xrd5fY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4RQ8wpSEb4

the differences are subtle most people who dont practice this variation may not notice them....the routine is the same but the motions in between or energy is different!


Some people have wider angles while others are tighter...if u look closely you will be able to see the differences for all three videos at the end of the fook sau wu sau thrice cycle...


Both look the same/similar to the first clip. Both pre-Ip Man. Both start on the right side first (which needs exlpaining!) and ALL are using the Lien rather than Lim/Nim character which imho is a different practice altogether.

Good stuff though, but still where are the detailed clips showing exactly what everything is for?? Show me anything that explains the SLT effectively ;)

[JPinAZ]

From this:

You sir are hater!

Cant you post something useful instead of troll jargon?
To this??

You sir are a hater and dumb dumb!

Cant you post something useful instead of troll jargon?

What applications of fighting can you share concerning your own Siu Lien Tao

Hahaha, I see corrected your horrible grammar and had to go and add in a pathetic attempt to call me a name with bad grammar all over again.. (4 days after the fact? :rolleyes:)
So, I'm 'dumb dumb'?!? Either you did it again and forgot another 'a' or you've developed a stu-stu-stu-stutter! I see you also went and edited your original question too. What the he11 is wrong with you bro, not getting enough attention at home from mommy or something?

FWIW, of course my SNT has 'applications for fighting', but that's not really main focus of SNT - it's a lot more than just a catalog of techniques and defensive moves, that's really low level understanding of WC IMO. But really, I'm not going to waste my time explaining my SNT to you, or it's uses. It's a duscussion that will be one sided (as always with you) and you wouldn't get it anyway..

[LFJ]

Is this you in St. Louis, Yoshi? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtkaSNBK6D8

[Yoshiyahu]

Okay Well by all means share with me...what you feel is beyond basic level of SLT...What do you feel is the main focus of SLT?

Please dumb dumb I await your response your dummy response?



ps. thanks for pointing out my grammical errors. i will make sure to edit it and make corrections!


From this:

To this??


Hahaha, I see corrected your horrible grammar and had to go and add in a pathetic attempt to call me a name with bad grammar all over again.. (4 days after the fact? :rolleyes:)
So, I'm 'dumb dumb'?!? Either you did it again and forgot another 'a' or you've developed a stu-stu-stu-stutter! I see you also went and edited your original question too. What the he11 is wrong with you bro, not getting enough attention at home from mommy or something?

FWIW, of course my SNT has 'applications for fighting', but that's not really main focus of SNT - it's a lot more than just a catalog of techniques and defensive moves, that's really low level understanding of WC IMO. But really, I'm not going to waste my time explaining my SNT to you, or it's uses. It's a duscussion that will be one sided (as always with you) and you wouldn't get it anyway..

[LFJ]

A better example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8fCYC0JddQ

[Yoshiyahu]

Is this you in St. Louis, Yoshi? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtkaSNBK6D8

No sir thats not me at all...That is Kung Fu Stan...

i dont post videos on youtube...

His videos or done with him and his son....Stan is illustrating his innovations to his Wing Chun...An what he find that works best with young thuggish street fighters

[JPinAZ]

Okay Well by all means share with me...what you feel is beyond basic level of SLT...What do you feel is the main focus of SLT?

Please dumb dumb I await your response your dummy response?


Do you really expect me to answer your questions? You can't really be this stupid. If you are going to act like a beggar asking people to teach you about WCK on a forum, you shouldn't also bite the hands that feed you in the same breath.

This is going no where. The fact that you use silly words like dummy and dumb dumb speaks volumes about your maturity level. Utill you can stop acting like a little baby playing on mommy's computer when she goes out for groceries, I'm done sharing with you.

[Yoshiyahu]

im simply insulted you because you sir do the some of similiar things when you speak condescending...so i got silly and insulted you back thats...all...

Really i doubt if you have much to share outside your normal rethoric and insults!



Do you really expect me to answer your questions? You can't really be this stupid. If you are going to act like a beggar asking people to teach you about WCK on a forum, you shouldn't also bite the hands that feed you in the same breath.

This is going no where. The fact that you use silly words like dummy and dumb dumb speaks volumes about your maturity level. Utill you can stop acting like a little baby playing on mommy's computer when she goes out for groceries, I'm done sharing with you.

[lance]

Applications to Sil Lim Tau

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuJQ2kTgGw&feature=autoplay&list=UL_D-GNodGKNU&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=1


From Looking at the form can you glean any fighting applications from it?

If So what are they? What you are showing are the forms for that particular WC system . I want to see the applications to that particular SLT form .
The form is what you showed already , but it seems to be identical to the Ip Man lineage . The applications are techniques that you display on an assistant or student then I can see how the movements in the form are being used for fighting or self defense . Are you confused between forms and applications ?

Just like any other kung fu system right ? They all have sets and each set has a certain number of movements and for each moves theres an application to it , or usages to the moves . It ' s the usages of the applications you want to know , because it ' s the technique that you ' re going to use in a fight or self defense situations .

Anybody can learn the form , but it ' s also good to know the applications too . The sifu talk in chinese how about translation of what he ' s saying , into english .
Just like any other martial arts video the sifu does the form first then he has someone to demo the applications of the form on . So you have an idea of what each moves is for ? Just like if a sifu was teaching you a kung fu form and you ' re learning the moves , the question you have in mind is what are these moves use
for right ? So you ask the sifu then he shows you so you understand , samething what I ' m talking to you about .

[Hendrik]

There are three parts in WCK, namely, frame type, momentum type, and internal development.

Frame type is for develop basic movements for application. Ie tan sau. momentum type is for develop basic momentum in fighting. Ie Step forward press in disrupt center line, internal development is for developing the mind and body mechanics. Ie the six bows , the snake engine.


So, what do one practice when one does slt? Obviously, slt is mostly for frame type and internal development, not much for momentum type. In ck and bj, the frame type and momentum type are focus. In wooden dummy, it is mainly momentum type.

[LoneTiger108]

There are three parts in WCK, namely, frame type, momentum type, and internal development.

This may be true for your specific learning Hendrik, but this will not be the same for everyone imho.

As an example, the Siu Lim Tao I learnt has six sets, commonly divided into 3 sections. And these sets were/are actively trained in 5 distinctive areas by myself under strict guidance of my Sifu and peers. Just from this experience alone, I can safely say that we will have totally different approaches to the 'training' of SLT itself, not just the mimicking of a form, but the training of each of the 6 sets I mentioned earlier.

You may be interested to know that each set trains a specific power generation, or 'bow' as you like to use these days. But this skill is gained from taking each set through 5 areas of practise.

[Hendrik]

This may be true for your specific learning Hendrik, but this will not be the same for everyone imho.

As an example, the Siu Lim Tao I learnt has six sets, commonly divided into 3 sections. And these sets were/are actively trained in 5 distinctive areas by myself under strict guidance of my Sifu and peers. Just from this experience alone, I can safely say that we will have totally different approaches to the 'training' of SLT itself, not just the mimicking of a form, but the training of each of the 6 sets I mentioned earlier.

You may be interested to know that each set trains a specific power generation, or 'bow' as you like to use these days. But this skill is gained from taking each set through 5 areas of practise.


The three parts presenting a holistic tcma content. One certainly can categorize differently as how they fit .

[Yoshiyahu]

Very good analogy hendrik I agree....

SLT is done in a static posture or still stance where as chum Kiu deals with advancing forward into your opponent. and the mook yan jong deals with stepping to flanks of your opponent an going into him to disrupt his structure. Bil Gee does in fact include waist rotation or turning structure to fight but has less forward momentum than the MYJ and CK.


There are three parts in WCK, namely, frame type, momentum type, and internal development.

Frame type is for develop basic movements for application. Ie tan sau. momentum type is for develop basic momentum in fighting. Ie Step forward press in disrupt center line, internal development is for developing the mind and body mechanics. Ie the six bows , the snake engine.


So, what do one practice when one does slt? Obviously, slt is mostly for frame type and internal development, not much for momentum type. In ck and bj, the frame type and momentum type are focus. In wooden dummy, it is mainly momentum type.


How do you feel your post disagrees with what hendrik is saying?

What are the five areas of practice?



This may be true for your specific learning Hendrik, but this will not be the same for everyone imho.

As an example, the Siu Lim Tao I learnt has six sets, commonly divided into 3 sections. And these sets were/are actively trained in 5 distinctive areas by myself under strict guidance of my Sifu and peers. Just from this experience alone, I can safely say that we will have totally different approaches to the 'training' of SLT itself, not just the mimicking of a form, but the training of each of the 6 sets I mentioned earlier.

You may be interested to know that each set trains a specific power generation, or 'bow' as you like to use these days. But this skill is gained from taking each set through 5 areas of practise.

[LoneTiger108]

How do you feel your post disagrees with what hendrik is saying?

It's not that I disagree, it's that Hendrik has obviously learnt in a different manner than most (even having a specific kuit for SLT is RARE!) and I think he is actually referring to the age old three treasures of Sun, Jing, Hei (Shen, Jing, Chi) as they too can be represented through 'frame, momentum, internal'.

What I am implying is that although this may be a good method of assessment, I have learnt another.


What are the five areas of practice?

I have discussed the areas before so will find the thread for you...

Here it is http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59087

The Construct of Wing Chun (from my learning!)

1. Form
2. Equipment
3. Interaction
4. Weaponry
5. Study

And after just reading good old Terences first response I can honestly say that the forum has moved on since then!! Or has it?? lol!

[LoneTiger108]

Ok. So here's my latest clip released on Facebook where I show Siu Lim Tao as it is with double palm work, instead of the standard single arm approach. Also holding a larger stance on the Plum Flower posts.

It's an experimental clip, but was something that we all went through in the mid-stages of learning SLT. So, if you're on my friends list, enjoy! :)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=10150667908474532

Sorry it's not the 'applying' level yet, but you may get a better understanding of what I went through from seeing this, and I would be very interested to hear of anyone else who has been 'taught' this method.

[Yoshiyahu]

thanks for sharing good stuff