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LaterthanNever
02-29-2012, 12:24 PM
As an intellectual curiosity..these names are of fomer disciples of Abbot Gee Sin. I regret I'm not skilled in translating between different dialects. Would someone be so kind as to provide an alternate translation?

Hung Hsi Kuan--obviously this is also "Hung Hei Gung"..but others do not translate so easily. Can someone please translate the following please?:

Huang Kun: is also....?

Lu Ah-Tsai--obviously a.k.a.-Lu Ak Choy

Hsieh Ya Fu: is also...?

Lan T'ou Ho: is also...?

T'an Yi Chun: is also...?

Tung Chien Chin: is also..?

Li Po fu: is also...?

Hu Hui Ch'ien: is also..?

Fang Hsiao Yu: I believe this may be Fong Tsai Yuk? (progenitor of the 5 Pattern Hung Kuen of Grandmaster Yuen Yik Kai)

Fang Yung Chun:..Fong Wing Chun? Maybe?

T'an Yu Chun: is also...?

hskwarrior
02-29-2012, 12:45 PM
Hung Hsi Kuan--obviously this is also "Hung Hei Gung"..but others do not translate so easily. Can someone please translate the following please?: Hung Si-Kuan

Huang Kun: is also....? Wong Gun? ....Wong someone....

Lu Ah-Tsai--obviously a.k.a.-Lu Ak Choy

Hsieh Ya Fu: is also...? Ha Say Fu

Lan T'ou Ho: is also...? Lan Tau Ho...(scar headed Ho?)

T'an Yi Chun: is also...?

Tung Chien Chin: is also..?

Li Po fu: is also...?

Hu Hui Ch'ien: is also..?
Fang Hsiao Yu: I believe this may be Fong Tsai Yuk? (progenitor of the 5 Pattern Hung Kuen of Grandmaster Yuen Yik Kai)

Fang Yung Chun:..Fong Wing Chun? Maybe? YUP

T'an Yu Chun: is also...?

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PM
02-29-2012, 01:23 PM
Hung Hsi Kuan = Hung Hei Gun

Huang Kun = Wong Gwan - i am not sure about "Gwan"

Lu Ah-Tsai = Luk A Choi

Hsieh Ya Fu = ? A Fuk

Lan T'ou Ho = Laan Tau Ho

T'an Yi Chun = Taam Yi ? (probably Chu as well)

Tung Chien Chin = Tung Chin Gan

Li Po fu = Lei Baak Fu

Hu Hui Ch'ien = Wu Wai Kin

Fang Hsiao Yu: Fong Siu Yuk (Fong Sai Yuk is Fang Shi Yu in Mandarin; the third brother is Fong Mei Yuk - Fang Mei Yu if i am not mistaken)

Fang Yung Chun = Fong Wing Cheun

T'an Yu Chun = Taam Yu ? (probably Chun as well)

TenTigers
02-29-2012, 08:09 PM
T'an Yi Chun = Taam Yi ? (probably Chu as well)
could it be Tam Jai Guan?

PM
03-01-2012, 12:45 AM
i do not think so, mandarin and cantonese do not match properly TT in this case, but who knows

Runlikehell
03-01-2012, 01:00 AM
Hsieh Ya Fu = ? A Fuk


Could that be Tse in Cantonese?

PM
03-01-2012, 01:34 AM
yes, yo uare right, Je A Fuk in Yale romanisation!

LaterthanNever
03-01-2012, 02:32 PM
Excellent replies.thank you all!

Do any of these disciples besides HHG and Lu Ak Choy have separate lineages of Hung that they developed or different styles developed all togehter?

PM
03-02-2012, 02:41 AM
yes sir!

- i have met Laan Tau Ho Hung Kyun lineage descendant in China, Jau sifu, with very well documented lineage and curriculum - check ou the short video of him i have published http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCh_XWLtE4

- Taam Ga Saam Jin is very popular both in China and Hong Kong - check out the video from China, Saam Jin Tit Sin Kyun - ¨http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTfFjhv6Ys

as for the rest, i do not know

Howard
03-02-2012, 08:16 AM
This is the list from a novel (fiction story) is that what this thread refers to ? if so, easy to know as much as the novel potrays (the so called shaolin of the south, the cool 5 elders with Wu Mei, Zhi Shan, and so on), or others have made up on afterwards. It is easier in Chinese characters, rather than funny romanization. see below:

According to the story...(聖朝鼎盛萬年青) :

洪熙官 Hong Xiguan
黃坤 Huang Kun
陸阿采 Lu a'cai
胡惠乾 Hu Huiqian
謝亞福 Xie Yafu
童干斤 Tong Ganjin
爛頭何 Lan Touhe
黎伯符 Li Bofu
方孝玉 Fang Xiaoyu
方世玉 Fang Shiyu
方永春 Fang Yongchun
譚義均 Tan Yijun

I loved the Shaw brothers movies and stories as much as anyone...but their adaptation of the novel seemed to steer a lot of funny histories especially in the Hung Kuen world potrayed by the films. Unfortunately, not an appropriate place to seek history, or else superman and darth vader would all be in some line as well.

Howard
03-02-2012, 08:26 AM
yes sir!

- i have met Laan Tau Ho Hung Kyun lineage descendant in China, Jau sifu, with very well documented lineage and curriculum - check ou the short video of him i have published http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaCh_XWLtE4

- Taam Ga Saam Jin is very popular both in China and Hong Kong - check out the video from China, Saam Jin Tit Sin Kyun - ¨http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTfFjhv6Ys

as for the rest, i do not know

Laan Tau Ho Hung Kuen is Zhongshan Hung Kuen, which is from Hong Xiguan teachings in the two villages Xiangshan village (taught Laan Tau Ho) - Xiaogan village (taught Wu and Chen)

Tam Ga is from Tam Min - studied with Hong Xiguan

PM
03-02-2012, 11:48 AM
excellent, thnx!