Pure Wing Chun against BJJ

[Yoshiyahu]

Who can use their Wing Chun skills against an MMA fighter with stand up and ground work...

Im speaking to the purist who do not compromise their WC with MMA techniques to make their WC quasi more functional? Lol...


Who has WC un-infiltrated by Westernized methodology that can still stand up to western fighting like MMA?

note the key components of BJJ and MMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrP3d-2pKKA

this is what your Upagainst?

[bennyvt]

Against a bjj guy my vt is far better then his stand up.

[wingchunIan]

its like comparing apples to bananas. I train with guys who are pretty good at BJJ and MMA (not top fighters of course) and when we play with standard rules I do okay in stand up. On the ground with standard rules I do less well but whenever we've messed about with expanded rules (groin shots, strikes to the back of the head, kicks and knees on the floor, and even light contact to the eyes and throat) I do pretty well again. I don't see why there is this obsession with style versus style, there's room for everyone and ultimately it comes down to who is the better fighter / who is able to impose their fight / who gets lucky.

[Vajramusti]

It is another silly thread.

joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

It is another silly thread.

joy chaudhuri

Y'know I have never put anyone on my ignore list yet, but Yoshi may be my first!

[Vajramusti]

Y'know I have never put anyone on my ignore list yet, but Yoshi may be my first!
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I have no idea why anyone bothers to even to respond to Y's posts... must be a bad case of net addiction.

joy chaudhuri

[Wayfaring]

Who can use their Wing Chun skills against an MMA fighter with stand up and ground work...


IMO people who test themselves against that kind of pressure, and who are able to stop takedowns to prevent the fight going to an area they are untrained.

It's not rocket science.

[Chadderz]

Oh God. The stupid, it burns.

[JPinAZ]

good lord, it never ends with this guy.
Yoshi, maybe you could tell us all how YOU do against MMA guys first, you know, just to get the ball rolling.. :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

You guys are just jealous because you can't come up with such refreshing and though-provokaing threads !

Next up:
Bong Sao, it's not just for getting high anymore !

[anerlich]

You guys are just jealous because you can't come up with such refreshing and though-provokaing threads !

Sanjuro is right. There's never been a WC vs MMA or WC vs BJJ thread on here before. Can't you guys think outside the box?

[Yoshiyahu]

Ne Way...this thread was comical to me...

i was just having fun..sorry for those who took it seriously.

thanks for the serious input out there..but since my threads are under so much scruntiny i decided to just be silly with the likes of some of those who over critical and never share any realistic useful information....


ne way did any one look at the youtube video...wow thats a classic!

[GlennR]

Y'know I have never put anyone on my ignore list yet, but Yoshi may be my first!

Ive been trying for ages!!! ;)

Seriously though, surely he's between the age of 10 and 15??

[anerlich]

ne way did any one look at the youtube video...wow thats a classic!

Like most of what you post, it has been posted here several times before, though without the ... er .... unique ... insights only you can bring.

[Chadderz]

It wasn't really funny at all tbh. This is funny:

http://www.mmaoutsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/humour1s.jpg

[Yoshiyahu]

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Pankratiasten_in_fight_copy_of_greek_statue_3_cent ury_bC.jpg/300px-Pankratiasten_in_fight_copy_of_greek_statue_3_cent ury_bC.jpg

the origins of BJJ

http://www.talariaenterprises.com/images3/6425a.jpg

dominate your opponent

http://jedsundwall.com/rio/images/best-trophy.jpg

make him submit to your will


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/GrecoRomanWrestling2.jpg

indure the pain in silence, loss of control is maddening

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pin13_l8g7z9nc.jpg

We can do this the hard way, or the soft way...either way your going down buddy

http://hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/greco-roman-wrestling.jpg

This is why chi sau was invented, to advoid this posistion!

[anerlich]

I perfer these!
indure the pain in silence
to advoid this posistion!


Google Chrome has spell check, so there isn't really an excuse for you to come across as an illiterate moron.

Unless there is no excuse and you do not have the choice, of course.

[mickey]

Greetings,

Since I do not participate in this forum, I do not know how you guys stand with Randy Williams. He is taking a stab at it using traditional Wing Chun as his template:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whMA5lsi7SA&feature=related



mickey

[anerlich]

Since I do not participate in this forum, I do not know how you guys stand with Randy Williams. He is taking a stab at it using traditional Wing Chun as his template:

"traditional" Wing Chun has always had ground fighting techniques, chin-na and takedowns. It has less/none in the way of positional control, pin escapes or the technicalities of ground and pound.

That's OK - BJJ isn't much at punching or kicking. As long as no one is trying to tell you a style is something that it is not.

I first learned those kicks in the vid from a Kung fu instructor in 1977, and similarly again from my WC instructor in 1989. And similarly again from an MMA instructor in about 1998.

This stuff can be effective against a standing opponent, and you have to be pretty good and pretty careful to move in on a guy who is good at this stuff. Antonio Inoki used it effectively against Muhammad Ali, and the best example I can remember was Allan Goes vs Sakuraba, who was no slouch as a fighter, back in Pride. Vitor Belfort tried it against Saku as well, but not nearly as effectively.

The throw looks like a cross between a parry/slip, head and arm choke, and osotogari which any decent wrestler or judoka could do very much better. Yes, I know that trip is in one of the dummy sets.

Nothing new here. Though I don't think RW is/was claiming such.

[Dragonzbane76]

I'm trying to get the jist of what you are trying to prove here? That BJJ is gay? rolling on the ground is gay? I'm not getting what you are (getting) at. I can't speak for WC but I do know that it's relatively striking oriented. But on the other hand I do know ground work. So what is it you are stating? :confused:

[Yoshiyahu]

Google Chrome has spell check, so there isn't really an excuse for you to come across as an illiterate moron.

Unless there is no excuse and you do not have the choice, of course.

i dont need spell check...you will continue to correct and give me the correction i need...

Keep it buddy...be my personal spell checker!

[Chadderz]

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Pankratiasten_in_fight_copy_of_greek_statue_3_cent ury_bC.jpg/300px-Pankratiasten_in_fight_copy_of_greek_statue_3_cent ury_bC.jpg

the origins of BJJ

http://www.talariaenterprises.com/images3/6425a.jpg

dominate your opponent

http://jedsundwall.com/rio/images/best-trophy.jpg

make him submit to your will


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/GrecoRomanWrestling2.jpg

indure the pain in silence, loss of control is maddening

http://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/pin13_l8g7z9nc.jpg

We can do this the hard way, or the soft way...either way your going down buddy

http://hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/greco-roman-wrestling.jpg

This is why chi sau was invented, to advoid this posistion!

That's Greco-Roman Wrestling. It's taught in just about every high school in America. So are you implying most teenagers are gay?

[couch]

You know what the WORST of this is to me? It has nothing to do with my 'precious' Wing Chun. It has nothing to do with whether my 'homedogs on the 'net' think I'm a Wing Chun purist or not. It has EVERYTHING to do with the portrayal of how some activity is regarded as 'gay.'

Perhaps you're not comfortable with your sexuality enough to engage in such activities like wrestling, judo or BJJ. I am. I quite enjoy the time spent learning other martial arts to up my game. I also find the workouts in BJJ to be of the highest caliber - the only thing that has come close has been boxing and WC is a FAR cry from any of those.

This is NOT a place to be bashing other martial arts - especially using a slant of sexual preference.

Rick says it even better than me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OvtBa2FK8

[Chadderz]

You know what the WORST of this is to me? It has nothing to do with my 'precious' Wing Chun. It has nothing to do with whether my 'homedogs on the 'net' think I'm a Wing Chun purist or not. It has EVERYTHING to do with the portrayal of how some activity is regarded as 'gay.'

Perhaps you're not comfortable with your sexuality enough to engage in such activities like wrestling, judo or BJJ. I am. I quite enjoy the time spent learning other martial arts to up my game. I also find the workouts in BJJ to be of the highest caliber - the only thing that has come close has been boxing and WC is a FAR cry from any of those.

This is NOT a place to be bashing other martial arts - especially using a slant of sexual preference.

Rick says it even better than me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OvtBa2FK8

Well said!

[anerlich]

...be my personal spell checker!


I try to avoid endeavours which are obviously doomed to failure.

And yeah, you're about as good at comedy as you are at spelling.

[Yoshiyahu]

hmmmm couch said the following!!!
"Perhaps you're not comfortable with your sexuality enough to engage in such activities. I am. I quite enjoy the time spent "

lol of course your right...just being sillly

[Yoshiyahu]

WING CHUN FIGHTS MMA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AWX38W2MMk&feature=relmfu